Spurs Suckage Continues, Start the Transition
Let's face it here, our beloved Spurs suck and our supposed championship team isn't going to happen. This team will be VERY lucky to continue the 50+ win season streak.
So what to do? How's about trade some of that suck so we can at least get this team prepped for transition years, maybe even make them a relevant playoff team for those years. So basically, trade everyone but Duncan, Blair, Hill, Mahinmi, and Splitter's rights.
We can't think of Manu and Parker as no-trade options. Manu can't shoot and Parker can't do it consistently. I don't care if every 5 games Parker or Manu goes off for 20 points or if every 7 games Manu has x many assists.
The truth here is that these guys can fetch great prospects. Duncan only stays because he can teach our future players.
The sooner Buford and Pop figure out that this great last championship run they crave is NOT going to happen, the sooner we can get this team built up for when Duncan retires. By then we should be a relevant playoff team (meaning a decent playoff threat like the Rockets were last year) when Duncan and Pop ride off into the San Antonian sunset.
My problem isn't so much the defense, but the horrid offensive consistency (though the defense is frustrating at best). Duncan will put up 24 one night, then only get 16 mostly off free throws and wind up with a bunch of missed shots.
RJ will have 14 point nights, and he'll have 4 point nights with a ton of missed 3's EVERY night. Mason can be a great weapon, or an ineffective 3-point ballhog. Bogans I don't think ever had a relevant night offensively. You see what I'm getting at?
It's not like I'm expecting everyone to be putting up 20 every night, but the FG% are so wildly inconsistent game after game. The Spurs could shoot 53% one night, then find themselves at 40 or even into the 30's on some nights. The latter percentages becoming more and more common.
Fingers could be pointed at RJ and others, but to me the finger pointing goes to Manu and Parker. These supposed "leaders" are shooting terrible. Parker's plantar facifuckitis limits his abilities to penetrate, but even his once dominant jumpshot is horrible. Some nights he'll have the best jumpshot you've ever seen, others he's hitting the bottom of the rim. How are others supposed to learn on this team with his terrible shooting? Especially in games most recent to his ankle injury.
Manu Ginobili is what infuriates me the most. Where is the jumpshot? Every time he goes up for a shot I close my eyes and wait for the nightmare that is the upcoming horrendous shot to be over. Yes he was injured frequently last year, but how does one's jumpshot disappear at the drop of a hat? And with how timid he is penetrating, that leaves him with 3-point shooting. Some nights it's dead on target, others it's airball city. Yes he is a great passer and a defensive playmaker, but when you can't shoot it when the ball is in your hands, your minutes shouldn't be that high.
Despite all this, Hill's still shooting fairly well each night and Blair is getting better especially on his jumpshot. I hope for trades to get younger talent to grow with these two, and I hope for great things for Mahinmi (which we've seen he can do great things), and even greater things for Splitter. There's also the X-factor of Nando De Colo who could be a good PG in this league.
I hope for trades, which means my prayers will most likely not happen. Parker needs out, Manu needs out, Mason can stay but he's good trade bait, Bogans needs out, RJ needs out, Bonner needs out, you see where I'm going.
So what do my fellow PTR-ers think, time to start the transition, or keep clamoring for one last very desperate championship run?
The Sunkist has spoken
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needless to say I was on the trade for Stoudamire bandwagon
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I give you props for having the balls to say this on the PTR website.
There are a few members here who write most of the articles. They are awesome articles, and 99% of the time they are positive. As well they should be. This site should be one that instills confidence and makes you feel good to be a Spurs fan.
But its time to be realistic now.
KA, Im not so sure we should completely demolish the team right now and begin to rebuild ( though it may very well be the best course of action ) I think they should make an effort to basicallty transform back into the old Spurs and get a defensive bigman and a perimeter stopper ( so long as they arent cap crippling, multi-year contracts )
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
a bit extreme now ...
I think us Spurs fans have been dealt a great hand for the better part of a decade … and with the Duncan era coming to an end, we’re trying to fight the inevitable.
The only thing I disagree with here is the trading of Manu and Tony. Parker was an all-star last year, and is still relatively young. Who would you trade him for? They’re not getting Chris Paul or Derron WIlliams, so would a trade really benefit the Spurs in the long run? The injury more than justifies the drop in production, not to mention the integration of RJ takes a few looks away from everyone!
I don’t know where you’re coming from with Ginobili … if i’m not mistaken he’s always been a streaky shooter. He’s getting himself into playoff shape. In my opinion he’s still the best all-around player on this roster. Why would you trade a player giving you around 13 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1.5 steals a game?
Trading these integral pieces is not the answer. I know we’re used to the Spurs getting it together by now, but all hope is not lost … yet! They’re only 8 games back from the Lakers, and we still have the whole second half of the season to play.
KA1Z3R, I too respect your honesty, but it’s too soon to press the panic button and self-destruct this team. On paper, it’s one of the best the organization has put together. Blair and Hill have been great surprises this season, and Timmy continues to marvel in the later stages of his career. If a few of the other pieces can find their way over the next few games … we all might be underestimating the potential of this team!
exactly, on paper it’s the best team. But when your team isn’t executing and is actually getting worse as the year goes on, changes need to be made. And major ones.
Parker I would be fine if we kept. Manu, I’m begging for him to be traded. Don’t get me wrong, Manu is my favorite player on this team. I even got a jersey of him a month ago. But he’s the most promising trade asset we have. He’s not losing us games, he’s won us some in clutch time, but he never seems to be a major factor to me. He’s not dynamic anymore (not offensively anyway, and I’d rather have consistency on defense than the occasional big play)
Passers can be picked up. Not Manu-like, but good enough. Better scorers with quality passing and better defenders are out there.
With our salary issues as they are, what can we realistically do next year that will make a difference when all our money was used this year to make a difference that will allow us to keep Parker, Manu, Duncan, and deal with cap hits like Jefferson if he’s released?
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
also, Manu has been streaky, but so bad that I’ve never seen him get a jumpshot inside the arc? Only this year has it been so awful.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
I’ve never seen him get a jumpshot inside the arc
You blind! He gets at least one stepback jumper per game, and he makes those at a decent clip.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.

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