Poll: Spurs' Biggest Offseason Need
by Tim C. on Feb 22, 2010 9:08 PM CST
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Since we've lost sight of the yellow brick road this season, it's time to start piecing together an article on the Spurs' options in the offseason. Before doing that, I'd like to know if there's any consensus on what the team is going to need most. Because it is definitely not too early to ask. The poll is about positions, but feel free to share any more specific ideas you have(i.e. "defense-minded SF") in the comments.
More details after the jump.
Expiring contracts:
Manu Ginobili
Roger Mason
Matt Bonner
Michael Finley
Ian Mahinmi
Keith Bogans
Roster already in place:
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Antonio McDyess
George Hill
DeJuan Blair
Malik Hairston [team option]
Richard Jefferson [player option]
Jefferson would have to be an idiot(or very committed to the Spurs) to turn down his player option, so don't expect that roster spot to be empty. And Hairston is likely to stay with the team, unless he regresses. So, there you have it. Discuss to your heart's content.
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This ones easy. Center or power forward. The Spurs should go hard after Bosh. Hes from Texas,and at this point in his career , Duncan would probably defer to Bosh and make it an easy transition for him.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Then again, the Spurs would probably have to give up one of the big three in order to have a $hot at Bosh. But lets keep in mind a Bosh is very very hard to come by. Hes a young talented big.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Tiago! Yes, I am aware that his NBA game is unproven, but it is pretty difficult to get someone like Bosh. Also, this organization has shown they are better at developing young talent to fit into the Spurs system then they are at taking existing stars and fitting them in. Ok, I am extrapolating from a small sample, but that is how I feel.
I know it would likely put you off your dinner but it is late in Tx. But Carlos Boozer is going to be a free agent. He doesn’t seem like a typical Spur though.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
Olf,good bigs are so hard to come by that Im sure the Spurs would give him a look. ( But in the end I think he would want more than hes worth )
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Exactly. Boozer would be great as a piece of the puzzle, but he thinks he is the centerpiece and will want to be paid as such.
Its going to a difficult offseason.
If we resign Manu that only leaves the basically the the MLE to add a decent player. If we cant lure Tiago to come here, I say lets go after J.Oneal with the MLE.
I would also try to trade RJ expiring contract for 2 or 3 players
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
Actually, the team will be over the cap whether it resigns Manu or not, so only the MLE, BAE, and vet minimum contracts will be available. Except for the players we have Bird Rights to(Manu, Bonner).
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
Does Tiago count as a Bird rights player?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Nope. I should add that Nando, Gist, and Williams(if they come over/back) would be subject to the rookie scale.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
In addition I found this interesting bit on Hill’s contract at Shamsports:
George Hill: Drafted 26th overall in 2008. Signed to rookie salary scale contract for that year. Signed for 120% of the rookie scale in the first two years, then 80% in year three. And since year 4 on scale contracts is calculated as being a percentage increase on year 3, then that year was at a reduced rate too. However, since 80% of Hill’s scale salary is actually less than the minimum salary in year 3, the minimum salary is used instead, and the percentage increases for year 4 and the QO are adjusted accordingly. Confusing and novel indeed.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Damn RJ’s contract really fucked us
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
Yeah, but it’ll be like pure gold on the trade market next year, when it’s expiring. Good times.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
Maybe the FO should start showing x-rays around the league showing that RJ’s ACLs are made of a novel hybrid nanocomposite that is about to transform him in the best leaper in the league within a couple of months. It will also (amazingly) somehow help him make a shot. Maybe then we can unload him onto some excited GM.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
The sucky part is the RJ would probably do pretty well with a fresh start on a different team. I have been in bad situations before and it is tough to mentally break out of a funk, but a fresh start made all the difference.
Hopefully some GM somewhere recognizes that and doesn’t mind overpaying just a wee bit for him.
Interesting. I had totally forgotten that RJ is expiring next year.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
He will be awesome trade bait next year, but it will come too late to integrate whatever we can get for him.
Not if it is for a player with previous knowledge of the system………
Jax
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
I’m still not sold on Jax. Not at all.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
How come “new coach” is not an option? Can that be added to the poll? :)
I'm not saying something is wrong, but something isn't right.
You laugh, but I was tempted to do it. I want to concentrate on the roster right now.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
Or alcoholics anonymous sessions for Pop
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
Honestly, it is not. Not because of what I think, but I just cannot see Buford or Holt firing him. You may as well add “Trading Timmeh” if you put “New Coach” there.
Well, first off, Pop is Buford’s boss, not the other way around. Pop is executive vice president of basketball operations, so he’d pretty much have to fire himself from coaching duties. I think it would be a good idea to have an assistant start coaching some games every now and then before too long, just to see what kind of horses we have in the stable.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
Well isn’t Pop reportedly going to be leaving when Timmy retires? And if all of this lockout stuff is real, there might not be a 2011 season….so next year might be Pops last.
So it all depends on if they are promoting from within or going to go outside the organization. Hard to imagine they wouldn’t give the assistants first look and then maybe Avery? I’m not saying that’s what is best, just what seems to be the most logical.
I think Avery burned his last bridge in Dallas.
I’d be surprised if he ever was a head coach in the NBA again.
Rest the Croissant!
by jollyrogerwilco on Feb 24, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
BTW folks, Theo Ratliff is now the starting center for Charlotte.
Fire Pop from the Spurs! Fire Bonner from basketball! Fire your mother from child-rearing!
What idiots. Their coach could really benifit from a year or two learning under Pop.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
by Manuwar on Feb 22, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I picked a C but we do need to shore up in several positions in things continue like they have this season. There are 2 awful big holes in our rotation: a defensive big man and another defensive big wing. We can’t keep playing guards as PF, specially with a 6’7 center. Think about it, we play lineups like this a lot (and no, its not all Pop’s blame, he has little choice):
6’2
6’4
6’5
6’7
6’7
against teams playing a 6’7 shooting guard and 6’9 small forward.
Our choices:
For C, hope for Tiago to pan out.
For SF, there is no way out except free agency or a trade. The first would be hard depending on who do we resign and the second depending on who plays well the rest of the season.
Going for the first even year championship!
By the way, is there any realistic chance RJ opts out? I would seriously think about it if I was him waits for laughs. Would he rather have 14mil while being pressured to perform and being a very hated man or opt out, look for a 1 year deal half the price while playing with the crowd praising you and earn a good contract 2 years from now?
Going for the first even year championship!
wheres the “entire new team” option?
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 22, 2010 10:24 PM CST reply actions
Yo, I talked to some Aussies on Chatroulette the other day, cool people, if a bit drunk.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
thats a prerequisite of living here – being drunk most of the time.
isn’t half the people you connect to on there just guys …enjoying themselves?
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 22, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
You mean masturbating and showing their penises? Yes. I was about to log off after seeing more dong than I ever thought I would see in my life when I found this Aussie couple, they were pretty cool. They seemed to enjoy my jokes, I think because they were both drinking vodka, but I’ll take the laughs anyway.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
thats why i wasn’t brave enough to try it, not really interested in seeing other guys trying to wank off to strangers…
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think H was trying to hit the jackpot (naked chicks) but alas, he came away unlucky (naked men).
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 23, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
There were naked chicks. Videos that people put to troll the site. They expect you to get all into it and them bam! Penis. Then they take a screen shot of your surprised face.
Thankfully I visit 4chan, so I wasn’t surprised by that or the videos of people committing suicide.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
I don’t think we have a shot at the big FA’s… but is Memphis holding on to Rudy? I like him.
Obviously Blair has to develop his game. Hill is a 2.
Bench: resign Manu (if reasonable $) and Ian (we’ve been developing this kid, get him on the court already) Is that other french G coming over? nando is his name? what about tiago?
I don’t care what you do with everyone else.
by FreshmakerDTM on Feb 23, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Tiago, Haywood, Camby?
AKA: Linix129, sw12
by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 23, 2010 12:21 PM CST reply actions
Enough of Camby, that overpriced overrated, oft-injured, only good at help defense player.
just having fun...
by day_late_friend on Feb 23, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
For minimum? Can’t be any worse than Theo
AKA: Linix129, sw12
by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 23, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
I’d like to see us improve our size inside and get a nice SF/SG that can defend and shoot. An unlikely, but very likable scenario would be getting someone like Battier and bringing in Spiltter. I wouldn’t mind seeing a little more pop from our bench, pun intended. Getting a good scorer or keeping Manu would be ideal for our bench. Oh, and I’d like to win the lottery as well.
We need someone who can guard the injured list
Another big would be nice, but I think we need the most help in the trainer and team doctor positions.
It’s crazy to realize that half the team is expiring. Weighing the probabilities:
Manu Ginobili – I expect/hope/pray he returns. We all know part of us will die if/when he finally leaves/retires from the team.
Roger Mason – Most likely gone.
Matt Bonner – Hard to say. Let’s say gone. I’ll miss the Hoagie Hammer. If only he could make use of his 6’10" frame and defend.
Michael Finley – likely retiring, but you know Pop’s man love for him will keep him here against all odds.
Ian Mahinmi – Maybe Pop hasn’t been playing Mahinmi to keep his value low so we could keep him at basically the same price? I want to believe that there has been something resembling logical thought for Pop to keep him chained to the sidelines.
Keith Bogans – Who knows, who cares (sad but true). If he re-signs for the same money, but half the PT (i.e. no starts), I’d be okay with that.
Behind a defense-first 7’ C (these guys can hide in this league, however) and a DF SF, I think we could use a back-up PG as well. He would have to be a distributor and could play with RJ off the bench. I think that would work really well.
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 23, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=4938744
Ponies need to stay away from our farm team. Why do they keep making the moves that we should?
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 23, 2010 3:22 PM CST reply actions
Why do they keep making the moves that we should?
i dunno.. but i’m in a “Blame it on RJ” kinda mood.
by FreshmakerDTM on Feb 23, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
What is the general opinion of Spencer Hawes around here?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I ask because even though Nocioni’s contract is horrible it would be interesting if we could trade for a package of Hawes and Nocioni this off-season. Hawes can help us at the center position and Nocioni can help us retain Manu (maybe?). Just thinking out loud here. The only problem is that we only have Dyess to send over which is not enough.
Nocioni himself cannot dribble or defend very well but he can be physical and annoying. He is a good spot up shooter and could come from the bench behind RJ.
The Kings might want to do this to get rid of Nocionis contract and if the deal is done smartly they could clear enough cap room to make an offer to one of the top free agents this off-season.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Feb 24, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Haven’t looked at the contracts or anything but I’d love to see Hawes and Noc in silver and black.
Hawes has the shot to stretch defenses and IS tough on defense. Not extremely talented but willingly bangs with whoever. Think Brad Miller but taller and younger.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
If the Spurs are to continue to be a defense-first team
1- or, I should say, resume being that team, they need to decide who they are up front. Blair should work on a short jumper like Big Baby Davis to expand his game. Start Timmy with either Splitter or Mahinmi and rotate Blair and McDyess. Forget the small ball. Not going after Tyrus Thomas stronger was a huge mistake.
2- Find a real back-up point or draft one and let him play like a Collison in NO or Holliday in Philly. Seriously think about trying to buy an extra pick in the draft.
3- Replace Bogans, Finley, Mason, etc. with a small forward that has length using the MLE. Trade Jefferson as soon as possible or commit to play him good or bad. Establish a rotation and stick to it.
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