So Roger Mason Wants More Playing Time - Let's Help Him Find It
by Tim C. on Feb 16, 2010 2:06 AM CST
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PrintThis thread boils down to a very simple premise - where do you think Roger Mason should go, and what can the Spurs get back for him?
My thoughts on the matter are this: The Spurs can get the most bang for their buck if they trade Roger to a team in need of true shooting guard, and more specifically a gunner. And the Spurs would be best served by getting a small forward as part of the trade - let's face it, RJ isn't the most dependable guy in the world(just ask his ex-fiance).
So, I got to thinking - what team out there has a need for a guy that actually fits the role of SG, while having too many small forwards? The first team that comes to mind is a division rival who lost out in the Brendan Haywood/Caron Butler sweepstakes. The Rockets. So, here's a couple scenarios I came up with.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjyolcn
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl4v282
Of course, it doesn't have to be a trade centered around a small forward. And, there's another division rival who has actively been trying to unload long-term contracts: the Hornets. This is one of the few situations where the Spurs could get rid of Richard Jefferson, as he would likely benefit greatly from Chris Paul's passing abilities, and the NOOCH would also benefit from shedding some of their long-term obligations.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh45r87
But, let's not forget to look outside the division for some help. Why not shoot for the moon?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylk453f
Or, why not go for a trade that's [allegedly] been discussed already?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk5438s
And remember, the trade machine doesn't show draft picks or overseas player rights. So, let's see what you can come up with. Fire up the trade machine and share your results with the rest of us.
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Whoever it is, remember that they have to learn the system very quickly.
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by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Feb 16, 2010 2:28 AM CST reply actions
We should get Stephen Hawking. Very smart, but constantly travels.
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OH! +1
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by Joe deLarios on Feb 16, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
This one’s kind of a long shot, considering OKC is making a playoff push, but I’d do it.
Spurs get Sefolosha and Collison
OKC gets Bonner, Mason and Finley
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzgqdfc
They’d be getting the 3-pt shooting they lack and shed Collison’s salary and we would be getting a defensive stopper with a very reasonable contract and a hard-nosed PF. Also I’m guessing that they might waive Finley, so maybe we could get him back.
I would rather watch Manu Ginobili go scoreless than 98 percent of the league get career highs
don’t want to sound too negative but I don’t see any of the trades posted on this thread actually happening. Unless there happened to be a team so desperate to cut salary that they would be willing to take on Finley and Bonner’s expiring contracts. If Roger gets moved before the break it will be probably a 1 for 1 deal.
And honestly I hope he doesn’t get moved and the spurs decide to hang on to himand just let him walk at the end of the year along with there other expiring deals. If the front office is already deciding they don’t want to offer a new contract to Ginobili because of the already too high payroll, I sure as heck hope the spurs don’t go and add more guaranteed contracts before the deadline making a Ginobili resigning that much more unlikely.
I don’t see the Spurs getting anyone before the break that could guarantee them a title anyways. Because it seems like all the big names are rumored to go somewhere else for no other reason than many more teams have more to give than the Spurs.
If they find a nice home for Roger, and don’t take on a bum contract in the process. Go for it. Otherwise it’s better to just hang on to him for a few more months, you never know, he could get hot during the playoffs.
I know we are desperate at this point, but lets not do anything (else) stupid, please.
I don’t know a much about what trades might work or not work. But I know what I like in the Spurs.
I think Dice is just starting to show why we got him as a Spur. He’s smart and tough, and consistently knocks down his long jumper. I wouldn’t trade him.
RJ we can all dream of getting rid of to some sad desperate team for something good. I’m still dreaming of getting Bosh this summer some how. But knowing the Spurs a little bit, I don’t see us getting rid of RJ after all that’s been invested in him over the season and all. Would likely take some time for any replacement to learn the system anyway, and it’s too far along the year for that. So I just don’t see it happening this season. Therefore he’s off the block for now, though I wish he weren’t.
Obviously not Ginobili or Parker or Hill or Blair.
Despite all the constant Bonner hate, I’m marginally positive on him overall. He’s big (for a 3pt shooter) and he rocks the 3. He’s been a little off from the broken hand, but I think he’ll get it back as we near the playoffs. He’s a guy who does have a working role in our lineup. That said I would easily give him up if we needed to to get what we need.
That pretty much leaves Mason and Bogans (and no-minutes players).
I would consider trading Mason. Though I like him a lot personally, the style of play you see him wanting to go for just doesn’t quite fit with the Spurs system, even with all that we’ve tried to do to get him into a niche for us. Like Tim C says, for some decent SF would probably make the most sense.
And Bogans I think has had plenty of time to be our wanna-be Bowen D-specialist, with an occasional 3, and has more or less failed. I don’t think he’s done a terrible job, but not as good as we need him to be in a championship team. So he’s there.
So what can we get for these two?
I don’t know but I’d like to see size and mental toughness.
This makes the most sense to me: Mason straight up for Scola from the Rockets:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg98bg8
I’d love to get Shane Battier (for Mason and Bonner), but don’t think it’s likely to happen, and we’d still be lacking some size to augment TD:
I’d think the trade scenario for Shane Battier is more reasonable than the one for Scola. Just last week the Rockets got annihilated by the Heat and I think they have a glut at the SF position (Ariza and Battier) and with a propensity of Battier not being able to create like Ariza can, I think the Rockets would be willing to part with him as the Rockets need a scorer like Mason and a stretch-4 like Bonner.
Battier would help us because the dude is a brain from Duke. Pop won’t have to growl at him so that he could learn his role because he will already know what it is. I hope this trade happens because we need his D and well-timed 3 pointers so badly.
The one that intrigues me the most is the Chicago trade. Salmons and Tyrus could give us that much needed firepower, while Hunter can groom George Hill into a fine PG and be a voice in the locker room. Salmons seems to be underachieving right now and he could be a key player off the bench together with Manu. Tyrus is an energy player, and that what our team needs right now. So imagine a rotation like this:
PG: Parker/Hill/Hunter
SG: Bogans/Salmons
SF: Jefferson/Ginobili
PF: Duncan/Blair
C: McDyess/Thomas/Ratiliff
I hope our FO can make good decisions in the last few days before the deadline. GO SPURS GO!
I find that trading a backcourt player for another backcourt player is pretty redundant; we have too many of them as it is. Honestly, what we need is another shotblocker, neither McDyess nor Blair are that player, and I don’t believe that they have what it takes to take us over the top. We need someone that can play with them and block shots when Duncan isn’t on the floor. I agree that Mason needs to be traded, and I was just commenting on this on 48minutes, maybe I should make my own post for this as well…
I really don’t want Tyrus Thomas, he’s at best, currently, a Drew Gooden that blocks more shots but is more inconsistent, and we’ve seen how well Drew Gooden works. Darko though, is a name that intrigues me. I honestly don’t think getting another SF is the answer, while it might be “common sense” because RJ isn’t panning out, it doesn’t really address our glaring need for a legitimate shot-blocking big man that has better offense than Theo Ratliff.
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In light of this article saying Miami and Memphis are possible destinations for Mason, I started considering those teams:
7 footer Marc Gasol anyone? I’d love this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygd4ax2
And Mason would likely find some good minutes there. Rudy Gay would be another decent possibility, but like I said before I’d rather get a big, unless we plan on starting to give Mahinmi/Ratliff some minutes.
Not much I like at Miami, other than Beasley. But he’s so young that I doubt the Spurs would go for it, though he’d be some good future potential. And according to the Miami Herald they want to keep him.
I guess Mason and Bonner for Haslem would work and might make sense:
You my friend are a dreamer. Gasol for Mason straight up would not happen even if Pop manages to get Memphis’ GM absolutely hammered.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
What the crap, how are we able to take on that much more money?
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 16, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Frankly, I’d rather have RMJ than Finley. I think Mason does need minutes to be his most effective and I don’t blame him for wanting to get the most he can out of this contract year. I wish he could get more playing time and give this team 15 points a game, but I don’t see that happening regularly.
I like the deals Tim C. listed for Battier, and the deal with the Bulls for Thomas. Thomas is a little scary for me. He has the talent to be really good, but I’m worried about his attitude and work ethic. That being said, I’d still take him.
Here is a pipe dream that would give us a nice big man for the future:
According to Wojnarowski…
Indy has 4-5 suitors for Murphy.
I can’t view the trade machine at work so I don’t know what works with this (I imagine Finley, Bonner, and Mace). Egh… I’ll be pissed if this is who we end up with.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 16, 2010 9:55 AM CST reply actions
Mason needs to go. The guy is over-rated. He has been inconsistent since the second half of last year, not to mention that he completely disappeared in the playoffs. The guy is an uni-dimensional type of player, the only thing that he can do is shoot the ball, and if his shot is not falling he’s a liability because he can’t play defense. That’s why Pop have to shift between Bogans and Mason all the time.
IMO we should go after Salmons, I really don’t care about Thomas, if we can get both well fine. Salmons would bring some stability to the rotation.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylyyr8a
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
What about this one?
Pistons get expiring contracts, Kniks get rid of Curry, and get a couple pieces to add to whomever they win in this summers sweepstakes, and spurs get upgrades at three key positions.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykhx6pw
Tis actually a very good trade in my mind. It makes a lot of sense and I think it could happen if something like that were ever proposed.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
Why the heck would the Pistons just want Bonner and Curry? Joe Dumars would never do this.
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I’ve heard that Miami really wants Amare, but Phonex wants more than Miami can currently offer, so what if the Spurs acted as facilitator and picked up Michael Beasley and say grant hill along the way
Miami isn’t letting Beasley go.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 16, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Egh… scratch that. I was thinking from Beasley’s point of view. He doesn’t want to go. Miami seems somewhat willing.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 16, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
maybe Beasley would be ok if it were a move back to Texas
by RamblingSpur on Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
It says he’s from Maryland and went to Kansas State. I don’t think he’d want to “move back.” I’m not sure if I want Beasley anyway. He’s an average defender at best and doesn’t seem very motivated to me. I might be wrong, but that’s just my impression.
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 16, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Another great looking trade. Even without Beasley I’d still do it for Grant Hill.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
You’re complaining about wanting to trade Manu and Tony, but you want GRANT HILL?? Seriously?
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
actually yes. I don’t know what it is, but I’ve always liked Grant Hill.
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
You my friend are a Suns fan. That explain the whole Sunkist thing.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I believe its called a mancrush ( or bromance when its a little more serious )
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
I’ve always thought of a bromance as being a relationship, where a mancrush takes place from a distance, or is unrequited. Is this what you were referring to when you said, “… a little more serious.”
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
I would defind Bromance as…
ie. " A deep envy of one heterosexual male for another. Often, the admiration runs so deep that it may appear unhealthy to outsiders. "
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
This one is a 3 way trade which solves the Spurs’ problem of not being able to offer anything good enough for Tyrus Thomas and take advantage of NY’s crazed selling:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfym5j6
Spurs get Jared Jeffries from the Nicks and Thomas from Bulls
Bulls get Gallinari from the Nicks and Ratliff from the Spurs
Nicks get Mason, Bonnor, and Finley (all expiring contracts worth 9.4mil of cap relief )
Okay this would be awesome...Realistic 3-way deal with Rockets and Bulls
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl6zstu
And the amazing thing is that it works and we get defensive-minded again.
The problem with this is, I’m not sure what the Rockets motivation would be. They’d be getting Salmons and Bonner and for Dorsey and Battier. I’m not sure how much of an upgrade that is for them. In fact, according the trade machine, it’s a completely lateral move for them.
As a Spurs fan, I’d do it.
Minor trade...
But if they can’t get a good piece this year, i wouldn’t mind the Spurs picking up another draft pick, OKC has 2:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygujmnm
We get Collison and a 1st while they get cap relief next year.
DAAAAAARRRRRKKOOOO
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Ricky Davis was just waived by LAC.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 16, 2010 2:01 PM CST reply actions
My opinion on the suggested trade scencarios...
well, me being a true Spurs fan, I honestly don’t like any of the deals Tim C. has posted up. the only idea I like out of those suggested in the blog would be going for Tyrus Thomas of the Bulls, as the Spurs have shown interest in him, but we don’t need to get anyone else from that team or give up much to get Thomas. Salmons might be good, but I’m not going to give up another two 3-point shooters in Finley and Bonner for him. yes, I know, Finley hasn’t been doing well, but i still believe him to be a clutch player. and as for Bonner, i know some people don’t like him for not playing great defense, but I do like him for his 3-point shooting, and at least he’s been giving effort on defense. i think it’s improved from last season. I find this trade realistic:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhuo72k
add a 1st round draft pick to sweeten the offer, and you could see this trade as possible. the only thing that would bother me would be giving up Mahinmi, but if he, or Ratliff, are not getting the playing time, then the biggest thing we need is a big man, not a small forward (i still have faith in Jefferson), so why not put one or the other in a package for someone that can help us for this playoff run for the title. yes, i do believe we can still win it all this year, and if we can get Thomas, here’s why I believe: every time we’ve won the championship, Duncan has had a big man beside him who did a lot of the defensive work, whether it was the Admiral, or Nesterovic, Mohammed, or Elson. i think that’s where Thomas can fit in. yea i know, he’s only avg. 8.8 points and 6.3 rebounds, but then comes in 1.6 blocks. i think it would be a great move for us. as for the Bulls, look, for those who do not know, the Bulls are looking for a true SG since giving away Ben Gordon. and looking at how well Mason did for us last season while starting at SG, i’m sure the Bulls can use him to start for now until the end of the season. and the Bulls are wanting expiring contracts, and since Mason’s and Mahinmi’s (or Ratliff’s if we could get away w/ it) are expiring, why not. anyway, i would love to see my deal happen. and i’m not dreaming, this could happen. GO SPURS GO!!! let’s make something happen for the title run!
oh, and i apologize for my comment being so long, but i had to say all that. :)
and by the way...
the Spurs have put Jefferson out in the market, but no one has shown interest in him, so your trade scenarios with Jefferson won’t happen unless some team is desperate.
Yeah, I was aware of that, but the Hornets are in almost the ideal situation for trading him. As for Philly, I did say I was shooting for the moon. :P
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
didn't see this mentioned
“The Miami Heat and Memphis Grizzlies are being considered as possible destinations for Mason.” – Yahoo Sports
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Feb 16, 2010 3:13 PM CST reply actions
yea i saw that too, but if both teams want Mason, i do not want to give him up unless we get someone that can help us out for this year’s run. i would actually try to offer the same deal i have to get the Bulls’ Thomas: Mason, Mahinmi, and a 1st round draft pick for Beasley. i would like Haslem, but he’s not tall to help us against the likes of Gasol, Bynum, and Odom, and we already have McDyess at 6’9". otherwise, no deal to Miami. and same goes for Memphis, offer Mason, Mahinmi, and a 1st round draft pick for Gasol. otherwise, no deal to Memphis.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfzst82
I’m not on the Tyrus Thomas bandwagon. I also don’t think trading four players for volume shooters like John Salmons is worth it.
Redick is a decent guard with an excellent shot. He averages nearly 10points a game shooting jumpers all day. Mason gives the Magic another ballhandler, a replacement shooter, and a better defender.
Makes sense.
Dice and Mase for Haslem and Dorrell Wright?
AKA: Linix129
by sw12 on Feb 16, 2010 4:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
yes please!!, Haslem is very similar to MCdyess, but younger, while Wright is a need as a backup SF
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhwbk7d
AKA: Linix129, sw12
by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 16, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf3qm4u
I’d even throw in a pick to the Clippers
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 16, 2010 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Are the Spurs trying to win this year? Back to this question later. It’s gut check time. McDyess, One first round pick and ………………….Blair, yes Blair for Gasol. Then trade Mason to fill in hole left in front court, or anywhere. Blair is one of my favorites, but lets play to win the big one. Back to the first question, if Timmy gets the ball in the last five minutes, they are gonna be slapping. GET RID OF THE D…….. THING!!!!! Fouls will not be called.
Theres no way in hell the Grizz are letting Gasol go for ANYONE on the Spurs roster not named Duncan….
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
seriously….Mason and Dyess? Our best shooter and our second best big man? We should try to trade Bonner, Finley, Bogans, Theo and Mahinmi…..those guys are pretty much useless
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
That’s what I can’t get past either. Why Mase and Dice? Those are the two that I wouldn’t trade first.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Bonner and Fin plz
AKA: Linix129, sw12
by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
With Bogans, Ginobili, Hill and Parker, you have four guys that cannot play the three. Manu could at one time, but has anyone seen him play this year? Beyond these guys you need some flexibility. That flex is evident in Jefferson and Bonner. Mason has very little. He can bring the ball up the court, but we have enough of that. He is a great shooter when wide open. Half the teams have great shooters sitting on the bench. Maybe I misunderstood him, I thought he said “trade me or play me”. Of the four mentioned in the first sentence who is going to sit? Watching the Spurs play most teams it looks like there is a problem gelling, but not against the very best teams. The problem is inside help. The Office knew this and tried to get Splitter. He is not here yet and may never be. It may sound desperate but you can trade any three of the following for Gasol or any two for Amare. Ratliff, McDyess, Mason, Mahinmi, Finley, and Blair. I prefer Gasol, but we only need one of these guys. I would prefer just giving up either Mason or Blair, not both, but how would you get more PT for Mason? Mason is the best shooter and Mahinmi has the best FG percentage. So what? Last year Mason was just another one of the reasons why the Spurs did not advance in the playoffs, and he was healthy.
Splitter sounds like another Mahinmi type fairytale. Not worth the wait. Judging by Waynes observations, he isnt going to be very good in this league.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Have I missed something?
Which observations are you referring to?
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
36 more hours before we know if RC and Pop can correct their mistakes and get our 5th championship this year.
No Thomas = No Title
C’mon, dude. We can’t try and get Kurt Thomas back after trading him away over the summer.
And even if we did, getting Crazy Eyes wouldn’t guarantee us a championship.
But if we could somehow get Beno back too, then we’d be talking!
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
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