Roger Mason Issues Trade Request
by CMoney on Feb 15, 2010 7:45 PM CST
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PrintI just saw this on 48 Minutes of Hell. Caught me a little off guard because I heard Mason was openly saying that he wanted to stay in San Antonio. Looks like there will be a trade before the deadline.
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/02/15/report-mason-requests-trade/
Here is Adrian Wojnarowski's tweet...
Spurs working to help accommodate Roger Mason with a trade, agent Mark Bartelstein tells Y! Minutes down, wants to play. Spurs cool with it.
I think we're gonna go after Tyrus Thomas.
[added by Wayne]
There is THIS from mysa.com where the agent says it isn't a trade demand. Just a request. Interesting read.
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This isnt good.
Mason has been on lately after a dismal start to the season. He is the teams most clutch shooter and best three point shooter. Hes also cheap at 3.7 million. Im a little worried we wont get something that good in return.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
ugh……something tells me I’m not going to like this trade. I don’t even really want Thomas, I just want a damn wing!
Evey- "Are you a crazy person?"
V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
V for Vendetta, blowing your mind away since 2005.
He is one of the team’s best shooters and actually was a good player, not just scorer, off the bench. You know as good as Fin’s career was with the Spurs, he’s been stealing minutes from better players all season. Its really unfortunate this happened.
Finley has played in less than half the games with some of his minutes in garbage times.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
+1
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
Spurs had a good thing with the Ginobili, Jefferson, Bogans, Hill, Mason swingman rotation. Ever since Finley returned he’s been in the rotation, not producing. It was crowded to begin with, having old man Fin out there didn’t help anyone. Its not entirely on the old man’s fault, but I don’t think he should have been out there.
Who the hell are you, and why would I listen to a word you say?
But yeah, I hear you. And F him, let him go. I liked Romaju but going public with this kind of crap is unacceptable. Especially from a guy that loves jacking contested shots with 23 left on the shot clock.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
But he was of great help in last year playoffs…….
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
CMoney is this guy who hangs out of helicopters but refuses to grace PtR with his presence, except for big news. He’s the classic front runner. And bella likes his pajamas.
If we can get a big(ger) guy for Mace, great.
He’s an Alpha Male. He doesn’t have to belong to the group by the group still follows him, he’s a natural leader and he tames wild helicopters in Arizona. The rest of us are just followers, or Gamma Males.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
I haven’t read The Game for woman, I only know how to manipulate them and play mind games in order to achieve sexual encounters. Sorry.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
And yet, here you sat on Valentine’s Day alone chatting on a sports blog. You might want to re-think that “know how” you have.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 15, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, I know how to play chess. I just suck at it.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 15, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Know how. Maybe Hipuks does know how. He just sucks really, really bad at it.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Can we change the title of this post to " Roger Mason Request’s Trade Request"?
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 15, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
No. You just focus on your moderating job. And tell your brother not to cuss at new people. They are still learning.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 15, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
:::throws hissy fit:::
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 15, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Every so often the old ATS shows up… just like the old days. Where you been? That Wayne guy is a pain in the ass.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Are you trying to say that Wayne is “old”?
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 16, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe she’s saying that Wayne is an “ass”.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 16, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
Fuck, I got burned. Good thing I wasn’t attempting sarcasm and I was totally serious. But you’re right, I have to improve my both my inner and outer game, perfect my approach and become a master PUA ( Pick Up Artist).
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
You had all the ladies here at Fuck. Just saying.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Yes I am. Actually, I think I’ve been cussing more on the site ever since Wayne called me Edgy.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
It is the quickest way to be edgy really. Besides, I think curse words are just delightful to pronounce, they roll of the tongue so easily and have such wonderful force in them.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
Do you prefer to curse in English or Spanish?
And, please explain why.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Mostly English I think.
Although I like a very choice Non-PC cuss word that I learned from Venezuelan friends.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I’ve got one that’ll make most Jamaicans blush.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Oooh, well since we are able to use cuss words on the threads, throw it out there.
Or if you’re feeling bashful, send it to me via e-mail. I’m most interested.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Just for you, bella.
And it’s possible that my Jamaican friend was just on the bashful side. Especially since she simply unable to ever get over hearing us say it.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Awesome.
I’m just saying, I can’t promise that I won’t hereafter accidentally and uncontrollably refer to Ray Allen as a bumbaclot.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I need help with the pronunciation… I wouldn’t want to use it incorrectly. ;)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
You drop the “t” at the end, so it sounds like
BOM-ba-cla
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
See, and here I thought this whole thing was gonna go somewhere pedestrian at first. Excellent.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
Says the member with the boot avatar.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
It’s not a quip! It’s a pun.
You used the word pedestrian while having a boot avatar (which I love very much, btw) and that is a perfect fit when I have yet to comment on your replacement of FLAGILE.
Please don’t mistake my attempt at cleverness as a comment at your expense.
Finally, am I right in guessing that you shot that image yourself? Nice job, either way.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Hipuks, you’re murdering me here man. How will I ever be cool on a blog if you keep fronting me out like this? You know about my incessant need to be liked. This is not helping my self esteem at all.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
you know its one thing for SiMA to start in on someone, but everyone else has really been piling on you man. but i’ll stand up for you here – i mean you were first out of the gate on the roger mason thing right?
It’s just so much easier to see great stories coming from the sky though.
I don’t know if I would even call him our “Robert Horry,” showing up towards the end and delivering valuable assistance. He’s more like our “Jaren Jackson.”
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
WTF? I thought CMoney passed away in a freak helicopter accident. I even sent Surfergirl my condolences.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I guess I can stop waiting by my telephone for a return call.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
does this mean we are not going to prom?
by jakob_taylor on Feb 16, 2010 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
Such hostility SiMA. You still pissed about the performance you put up in our Fantasy Football League?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
You dirty cheating sonofabitch. You know damn well that I’m not personally responsible for the fact that Brandon Marshall is a lunatic. Don’t you worry though, the day of SiMA will come.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
The day of SiMA came and went brotha. Adrian Peterson fell into your lap at #3 and then you promptly shit the bed.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Erroneous. I got AP #2, and then he promptly became average after game 3. I will return triumphant soon.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Roger Mason obviously took exception at the number of Valentine’s Day cards he saw stuffed in Mike Finley’s locker
….all addressed from Pop.
...!!
Yea, wtf is wrong with Mason ? Who wouldnt want to start a game one night, then get a DNP the next ?
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Just like Yawn?
I’d want to be traded too if I was being treated like Mr. Glass!
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
SiMA/Cap/LD Highlight of the Month-
Watching Yawn gait up and down the court in Denver last Thursday night. Pictures to come.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Did he look like he was about to collapse in a heap? … or create a disaster in order to reveal Bruce Willis’ true potential?
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
DIE HARD 5 – “When a simple game is threatened with the potential for massive physical injury for no reason, only one man can step in to help. Bruce Willis as John McLane, Yawn Mahinmi as himself, and Nick Jonas as Perry Westinghouse. Basketball will never be the same.”
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Nice, but —
Um…
That was an Unbreakable reference to Yawn’s nickname based on Samuel L. Jackson’s character.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Oh I got that, but felt the DH franchise would be more appropriate at this point. The title itself kinda ironically represents Yawn’s basketball career, no?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
More like Killing Me Softly, if you ask me.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Not too much longer, and it’ll likely even be Gone With the Wind.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t blame Mase at all. Last year he was a major contributor to a 50 win team and this year his role is reduced yet the team is struggling.
It’d be one thing if his playing time was limited because we brought in guys better than him but he sees RJ lost and confused getting regular minutes along with Bogans whos offensive game makes Bruce blush.
Gotta love how civil this whole trade request is though compared to usual ugly demands by pro athletes when they aren’t happy. Only in Spurville.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
no romaju, say it aint so….shit.
so we get to keep mini-ears and boganvillea, and lose someone who has actually come through for us, cos pop likes dicking around with minutes? ffs.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Feb 15, 2010 10:27 PM CST reply actions
It would make too much sense
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Aw man, I like Mase :(
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM CST reply actions
I would love to see more minutes for Mason, especially if they’re coming from Bogans or Finley. Mason doesn’t always make the best decisions on offense but at least he has a pulse.
As for the trade ‘request’ – I imagine the Spurs will include him in whatever big trade they get in before the deadline closes. If they don’t put together a bunch of contracts for a big player, though, don’t expect him to get traded just because. It’s gotta be obvious to pop, just like it’s obvious to us, that he’s the best of those three options, even considering he’s the least equipped to defend SFs and big guards.
Damn, I like Mason, and this news deeply saddens me. I want to rant some more but I’ll save it and see how this trade request pans out.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 15, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions
In other trade news, rumors of Maggette to Cleveland, and Amare to Miami
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 11:14 PM CST reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygxnckt
I’d even throw in picks and or Tiago
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 PM CST reply actions
I don’t think he’s hurt anymore
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by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
So now he’s backpedaling? Or his agent is? Or Adrian Wojnarowski and/or 48MoH are trying to get pageviews? I’m cornfused.
We aren't who we thought we were.
No one is backpedaling. I think Mase is just a classy guy and doesn’t want things to get messy. Same for the Spurs.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
I was just trying to stir the pot, create controversy. Thanks a lot!
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 15, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
What I meant to say was: Looks like Roger really wussed out! What team is going to want a player who can’t even stand by his word. (better?)
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
Utah? coughCarlosBoozercough
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 15, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
I would prefer to keep Mason but if he wants to go Isay good luck.
What about this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygglygu
It should help our defense.
Yeah bro, Wallace is a fossil at this point. We already have Wallace 2.0 in Theo. Prince is intriguing, but I tend to agree with JRW on that one too.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I could feel it in my bones. That’s why I just hopped onto PtR right now. I hope we get things done right.
GO SPURS GO!
by Manu ex Machina on Feb 15, 2010 11:37 PM CST reply actions
Mason not shure weither he will be traded.
According to the SA express news his agents isnt saying it’s a trade demand but is open to having Mason traded.
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/02/masons-agent-it.html
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
What is going on in the front office?
All we need to do is shore up the front court, why are we dangling Mase in trade rumors. I would rather see Bogans, Finley, or Manu get traded in that order before Mase is traded.
There is something really wrong here if Mase is traded before any of those other guards.
Trade Manu? Come on. Next you’ll be saying they should fire Pop.
We aren't who we thought we were.
by SinCitySpur on Feb 16, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
We should have been fired Pop but that’s another thead. : )
If we are going to lose a guard as good as Mase, why not trade Manu instead, he is the FA, and we lose him for nothing at the end of the season.
I don’t wanna trade Mase or Manu, but if I had to pick, it would be Manu before Mase.
Manu only has about 4 more months as a Spur. Why lose Mase too???
You do know that Mase is also in a contract year, and the Spurs don’t have his bird rights, like the do with Manu, right? If you’re picking one of the two to trade, it has to be Mase… it’s Mase every time.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Do you really think we can afford to invest in Manu?
I hate to see him go, but I know we can’t afford to keep him. And I think he knows it too.
If he doesn’t get red-hot before the season is over (I can’t even believe I’m typing those words) it’s possible that he’d agree to stay for less than he’d be able to command otherwise.
Now, will someone please put me out of my misery? I’m engaged in non-mocking discussion in a trade-related thread in mid-February.
::cries onto keyboard::
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Tread lightly Jolly. I know from experience what happens when you talk about trading Manu.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Bell and I were talking about this awhile back. The big question you have to ask yourself as a SPURS fan is… Is it worth anything to get us another ring? Is there no loyalty to a player that was instrumental in bringing us to our current state of dynasty? Does a level of service produced by one of (or just Manu) the Big 3 demand in any way that there is loyalty and character to allowing them to finish their career(s) in San Antonio? Is the desire for another ring greater than the honor/respect involved keeping a mainstay of the team?
I think that if winning is your objective, at ANY cost, you consider a Manu/Tony trade (Timmy is NEVER on the table in my book). But if class and honor and respect and loyalty are paramount, you don’t even entertain the trade notion and allow time to ride itself out.
Just a thought.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I’m with you, except to say that
current state of dynastyisn’t quite accurate when our last title was in ’07.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
“Greatest Team of the Decade,” even though that decade just ended, has a statute of limitations further out than our current place.
Me thinks.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
And it’s a good thought.
I’ve always believed that the organization is greater than any one player. Except in those very rare occasions of Jordan, Duncan, Kobe…etc. There is always a point of diminishing returns and a proactive approach to prolong success is to make the necessary tough (and often unpopular) decisions. The objective in my book was never to win at ANY cost. That’s an unfair assessment. I believe the main objective was, and still is, to get Timmy his 5th ring. When I made my case to trade Manu last April, it wasn’t at a win at ANY cost mindset. It was obvious then what was happening to Manu. It is even more obvious now. I made the case for what’s best for the team as a whole moving forward.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I get it, but you’re clearly in the camp that believes that the greatest priority is to win, regardless of what that entails. Many others are in the camp that believe that honor and respect ought to be shown to a player who has contributed so much to our success and is so valuable to the overall entity. And that honor and respect is best shown by valuing an entire career and allowing him to retire a SPUR, not just honoring moments of greatness and then discarding/moving on when his tank is empty.
I’m not taking sides… yet… but I think this is what it boils down to.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I see the arguments of both camps. And on occasion, I find myself in the latter camp. I would never suggest that we trade Tim Duncan in a million years. If he wants to be the first 85 year old PF to play ball for the Spurs, then someone go get this man a walker with tennis balls on the bottom cuz our boy is about to take some people to school.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Explain why you feel this way about Timmy and not Manu, or anyone else. Explain why there is a difference in your mind.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Because it’s a rare exception in my book. We’re talking about the best PF to ever pick up a basketball. He’s in a class of his own. Untouchable.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Is it in any way influenced by his contribution to both the SPURS and San Antonio?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Untouchable. Call me crazy but I couldn’t pull the trigger on that.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Not crazy. I wouldn’t even think about it before saying no.
Don't compare RJ to Sean unless he's coming up clutch while playing with a failing kidney.
Now you know how some feel about Manu, whether you share that feeling or not.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Feb 16, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you’d hold the Spurs accountable for trading Manu then you better hold Manu accountable if and when he walks as a free agent.
You can’t say the Spurs owe Manu so much that they should not trade him and then turn arnound and say Manu owes the Spurs nothing; it’s his decission to stay or go.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
I don’t think he’ll walk, unless the Spurs offer him a ridiculously low salary. Which they won’t.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
Sima expresses my feelings on this pretty clearly.
Tim, Manu & Tony are untouchable in my book. You do not trade the 3 winningest Spurs in the history of the organization. In the end, I care more about the loyalty and character of our big three. Until they do something to make me regret my loyalty, my loyalty is to them.
Without Manu, we don’t win the Pistons series. Without Manu we don’t get out of the first round.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Agreed, but some people have equated “not signing Manu to an extension last year” with the “trade Manu now” camp. I still think the FO will make an effort to resign Manu before letting him go to another team, but if some crazy GM makes an insane offer, then it’s out of their hands. I’m hoping this doesn’t happen.
Cap, since it’s you I will tell you exactly how the Manu thing will go.
- The ONLY way they trade him (or Tony) is if there is a “blockbuster” trade for a player who sets up the Spurs for several years going forward (Bosh, Wade, Durant, something big. . .)
- At the end of the year they will end up making him an offer for a new contract. Given the current economic climate it will be a low offer in money and/or years that will be hard for Manu to accept.
- If they don’t think he has much left then they will offer a very low contract so that they can tell the season ticket holders “We offered what we could without jeopardizing our future but he walked away”. That keeps them from being the bad guys.
- Oh yeah, the only other way they trade Manu or Tony is if they request a trade which would surprise me.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
If you could get Durant for Manu under scenario #1, you have to do that. Not that this would happen, unless Presti suddenly becomes brain dead.
And yes, it wouldn’t surprise me if the FO gives Manu a low offer. Unfortunately, that is the current economic climate.
Yeah my point was mainly that the ONLY way Manu gets traded is for something that is future oriented and just too good to pass up.
If Manu does leave next year it will be turning down their offer so that they can tell Spurs fans “Well we tried. . .”.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
Linky
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4917644
We aren't who we thought we were.
I don’t want Tyrus thomas. The guy is a headcase, arrogant whereas he hasn’t done anything yet. We might as well play Mahinmi.
Mason has always been good value. He was bad in the playoffs last year and didn’t have the impact that a guy like Ariza had for the Lakers but your hopes for a championship shouldn’t depend on your 6 options.
Keep him.
trade manu??
he is our x-factor…he’s the engine that makes us go..mason is expendable if thats the case..
Mason could never replace manu
Manu will only be a Spur for a few more months. Then what???
Give him a max contract and let him retire a Spur? That is a ton of money to invest on Manu.
We better start thinking past May because if we don’t make the right decision in regards to Manu, this team will have a tough time in the future.
Even with Scola and Oberto, the front office has already made the wrong decisions with every Argentine player we’ve had.
I don’t think we can afford another bad call. I would not risk any more money on Manu he is too streaky. The way things are going this year, smart money says it is time to rebuild around TP, and get TD some help. Just like we did with David Robinson in his last few years.
Just so I’m clear… our only options are- trade him asap and recover some cost; or throw a max contract at him?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
This Mr. Ghost is a good example of why Lauri said its difficult to take you seriously. And easier to tune you out.
Not because you are saying trade Manu. But the illogical fantasy world you seem to be coming from. There are too many things to explain to you about why what you said above and the implicit assumptions that go along with it are just from another dimension.
So I will just leave you with Sima’s totally un-sarcastic reply below.
First of all, it’s GhosTown. Mr Ghost is my dad. :)
Secondly, Lauri has a very sentimental approach when it comes to the Spurs.
Any talk of losing or replacing one of our icons causes many of you to tune out the inevitable, sacrifices will be needed to compete for a championship.
As we can see from the 50 games played, Manu is no more important than Bowen was to our championship caliber team and we traded him when he looked a step slower didn’t we?
Without Bowen we are fighting just to get into the playoffs. Imagine if the roles were reverse and we kept Bowen this year. I doubt we would be one game out of last place.
My point is Manu can be traded and we get something, or we can let him walk for nothing. There are no assumptions, if he was worth the big bucks then why no extension? I think we know the answer to that.
I don’t think Manu is going to be in the Spurs future.
Let me see if I can help you out here, GT.
Give him a max contract and let him retire a Spur? That is a ton of money to invest on Manu.
First, why would you assume max contract? Timmy left money on the table, so did DRob… I would expect a similar conversation will be had with Manu. If it was all about money with him, he wouldn’t have resigned with us the last time.
We better start thinking past May because if we don’t make the right decision in regards to Manu, this team will have a tough time in the future.
FYI- The playoffs begin in late April. And if you want to see us get past the first round, then you better hope the Argentine doesn’t get a hangnail. Your comment makes me think you haven’t watched much of the past month of Spurs B-ball. The guy who’s out there taking the hard fouls, going balls out for his team… that’s Manu Ginobili. Next time you’re watching a game, I’ll be happy to point out all the little things he does to help win games for our team.
Even with Scola and Oberto, the front office has already made the wrong decisions with every Argentine player we’ve had.
Scola was a big mistake, but Oberto helped us win a championship in 2007 remember? I don’t consider signing the original Argentine a mistake. Ginobili has given his heart and soul to this team, so watch the grandiose delusional statements.
I don’t think we can afford another bad call. I would not risk any more money on Manu he is too streaky. The way things are going this year, smart money says it is time to rebuild around TP, and get TD some help. Just like we did with David Robinson in his last few years.
Manu’s too streaky? Seriously? He’s slowly been building back up to form…. Let’s see driving to the basket? Check. Taking hard charges? Check. Chasing balls down without a care for personal injury. Ummm, yeah… check. Hitting free throws… Checkeroo. Shooting percentage… still working on it, but just a touch below his average.
As for getting TD some help, I’m all for it. I think Dice will be a total asset with a few more games under his belt. And I still have hopes for RJ… OK, that may be delusional.
In the end, you can’t sum up all the things a player like Manu Ginobili gives to a team. His passion, dedication, hard work and devil may care attitude are worth every cent he makes and then some.
I love my team no matter what, but a part of my soul would die if Ginobili does not retire a Spur.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Feb 16, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 13 recs
You forgot to say dang.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
Bones, we need a ruling here.
Is dang only used with tangibles, or can it be used whether or not the “ir” prefix is used?
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
I was more curious if it could be used with the “in” prefix – “irtangibles” is a little more difficult to pronounce.
The shame.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
What is a virus?
a) Shame
b) Dang
c) The “ir” typo
d) Busting on people for their typos
Need your reply in order to know how to respond.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
That particular typo has been making the rounds? I guess I’ve missed the other victims.
Hope they get well soon.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
It’s not really a typo; they do it because I hate it.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
Ah, you’re talking about the abomination of the “alternative” spelling of regardless?
I hate it too, but now that it’s actually in the dictionary I’ve calmed down about it — just a bit.
Also, feel free to note that Mirriam-Webster’s entry for that word recommends that we “Use regardless instead.”
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
It’s nice to be able to pass off those oversights as being meant intentionally for the purpose of riling up a fellow PtR member.
“Oh, I didn’t accidentally use your when I was saying you are. I purposefully used the wrong one to make Q mad!”
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
The fact that some jackass put it in the dictionary makes me physically sick.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
I am saying we made a mistake with Scola and Oberto. We should have kept them. Now we are going to bankrupt the team trying to keep the one that we should trade this year. No, I don’t think they are going to trade or bankrupt the team in regards to Manu. I think he will walk for nothing. It will be the 3rd mistake with Argentine players.
I know it appears like Manu is rounding into form, but Manu’s stat line suggests he is playing worse this year, than he did last year when he was hurt. He always look like he is hustling and playing hard that’s because Manu gets it. He keeps playing defense even when his offense is not there.
The front office offering Manu money just so we look good and then he walks anyway is not smart business. We get nothing in return.
Manu and his agent are not fools and they are not going to leave money on the table. Someone will offer him more than he is worth and we learned that from Arenas. I don’t think Manu’s agent helped him during the Olympics, he should have advised Manu against playing hurt. Manu is a basketball player, he loves the game, but someone should have sat him down and explain to him the ramifications of playing in the Olympics. To me, that showed up the FO and that is why they didn’t give him an extension in the 1st place.
So if they are already willing to lose him, it just doesn’t make sense not to trade him now and get TP and TD some help. The future of this team is TP and TD. We sacrificed Sean Elliot for the team’s future, now it is Manu’s turn.
Come Thursday if he is still a Spur these last few months will be his last.
Yeah it’s going to be a tough goodbye, but Bellasa, I hate to break this too you, but Manu will not be a Spur next season, it’s just the way the business goes.
He knows it and the Front Office does too or they would have given him an extension already.
Can we put this post on the front page forever? I would LOVE to see Ghost’s face when manu resigns with the spurs in the offseason.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
I would love to see my face too. Tears of joy and all.
If Manu resigns with the Spurs I would absolutely love it.
Now back to the real world.
If Manu loves the Spurs so much that he is willing to leave money on the table. I will be the first person to come back here (after I finish praising God) and eat every word.
::in best valley girl voice::
OK, So… I like talked to one my best friends. And he so told me I shouldn’t reply to you cuz you so don’t know what you’re talking about. Kay. He said I couldn’t totally go off on you, but I like should be like the better you know… ummm… person.
So I said, like he doesn’t totally get it. WTF? Trade ohmygod, Manu? And he said like I know you’re like gonna be like the adult person in this ummm… yeah… situation. He totally said like you gotta think… like what would Manu do?
And you know, I like so thought about that. Cuz Manu is like everything that’s good and right in the world. And he said like Yeah, that’s why he’s like one of my favorite players. And I said, Like I know… that’s why I totally love you because you totally like get the Manu. And then he said, Ohmygod, that’s like totally one of the reasons I totally luv u, too! And then he was all and then I was all and then we both like All… Yeah.
So like here’s like a picture of my friend with like his Manu jersey. He like rocks the jersey almost as well as the Manu does… don’t you like think? yeah… for sure, me too.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Feb 17, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oookay, now I get it. Nice one, bell.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 17, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I see how things are. But now I should get to make fun of Texas.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
You’re right… I’m sorry i forgot you were a Valley girl.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
That’s alright, nothing that a big ass belt buckle expressing an idea and a cowboy outfit with homoerotic undertones can’t fix.
Them Mexicans sure talk funny tell you wHat.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
If we call Popovich “the extraneous G” then we could call you “the superfluously capitalized H”.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
It’s “Gustavo,” isn’t it? My work day is so boring today, that you have inadvertently given me a new game that will lighten my spirits?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Gomer, I didn’t mean to put a question mark there. You have definitely given me a new game, no question about it.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Your first guess is pretty close actually. Lot of English speakers confuse the two.
To serve man.
Gustatus similis pullus.
Right after I got all excited about the guessing game, I remembered the answer… and promptly got grouchy at having to go back to work.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
bella, this is fabulous. I didn’t think my admiration for you could go any higher, but I was wrong.
I’m sorry that your efforts didn’t have the intended effect of shining the light where it was most needed, but you can always fall back on your double digit rec’s.
The intanglibles are with us tonite…its just those dang tangibles lke making shots and playing defense - bones
You’re too sweet, JRW. Your kind words touched me deeply.
Almost as eloquent was Sima’s text after I wrote that post… “Oh, I recced your ass”.
:: waving hands in front of my eyes::
No… those aren’t tears…
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I hate to be the voice of sobriety, but if the trade is warranted then please….trade him. He was a factor before, but in his limited minutes, he is no longer a key player. If we have an opportunity to gain something from him, then by all means….please to do it. I know that sometimes my alcoholism means you guys cant take me to nice places, but i do have faith in our front office.
by jakob_taylor on Feb 16, 2010 6:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A working one of these? Or this display model?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 16, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
That’s the exact question R.C. forgot to ask this summer before the big RJ trade.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 16, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i like roger, but get where he’s coming from. i would expect that any trade would be more of the minor variety. but this brings me to a personal dilemma – that maybe PtR can help me resolve (may god have mercy on my soul).
the spurs start the post-break part of their seaosn at indiana. i go to this game every year as its about 100 miles from me. however, i am also a season ticket holder for my college alma mater, which is also about 100 miles away. both are playing on this night – and that’s not normally a problem. i see the alma mater 12+ times a year so no big deal casting them aside for the spurs, who i see 3-4 times in a great year.
the rub this year is that the alma mater just jumped into the top 10 and they are hosting another top 10 team wednesday. its going to be the biggest home game of the season easily.
the bad news for me is that i unloaded my ticket some months ago in anticipation of going to see the spurs. i dont hold tickets to either game at this point, so it will be scalper city for me either way – and the pacers will be the easier ticket for sure.
i dont mind saying that i am leaning toward the college game here, but i have some fear about impening trades in the back of my mind. for instance, my last opportunity to see (insert name of player who had better not be traded here) would definitely sway my decision.
the other factor is that i am making the trip to SA in late march to see at least 2 home games, so its not like i would miss (player who had better not be traded here) assuming he is sitll on the squad.
advice from yoyu PtRers on this one?
I forgot you’re a Big Eleven fan. I’d go see the giant chestnut heads lose to the alcoholic beverages. I love the atmosphere at college games.
thanks for the feedback you guys. i kind if knew that this was the way to go all along, but am just now admitting it to myself.
for the record, i went to ohio state and its turning into a quite a season for us – and cap is all over it knowing that we play purdue.
i have skipped the bucks for the spurs at almost every opportunity over the years when they come around here….and i missed big home game just last year to make the texas trip, so i will honor the better performing team again tomorrow. i guess i’m just used to that team being the spurs.
this means i wont be on the thread tomorrow…but i will be DVRing the game and watching it late night, so dont spoil the outcome for me…..
Wait a minute…
Roger Mason was quoted just 2 to 3 days ago, via San Antonio Express-News, saying:
"I want to be in San Antonio for my career," Mason said. "I want to win a championship here. That would be the ultimate."
"If something happens, it happens," Mason said. "You can’t really worry about it or control it. I can only control what I can, and that’s to help this team win."
So, what I seem to decipher out of this is that he’s lobbying for more playing time on this Spurs squad. Why would he contradict himself and ask for a trade? I think he did this just to see where he stands with the organization, to find out how much the Spurs really want him and how many minutes they are willing to give him. That’s all. By asking for a trade, he might be able to actually get more PT with the Spurs because when he’s hitting his shots, the Spurs win, and we need him to play like he did against the Nuggets last week. I mean, didn’t Mason actually START against the Nuggets?
I mean, if this isn’t Mason’s strategy, it doesn’t really make too much sense.
Mason Trade?
I’d be very surprised to see a trade actually happen. It would have to be a one-for-one swap and I’m not so sure there are teams that would give up what SA needs, ie: Tyrus Thomas, for Mason. I really think Pop actually believes that he can still make a run with the roster he has. Has he lost touch with reality? We need Mason just in case Manu goes down again like he did last year. Finley couldn’t fill the spot and Hill is needed as a backup for Tony. Bogans is a good bench player, but not anybody’s starter. If there were a possibility of trading Jefferson I would go for it, but nobody is likely to take that salary for what he brings. It was a bad acquisition from the very beginning. Jefferson prospers in a run and gun game like Phoenix or maybe the future Knicks, but not with the Spurs halfcourt game. The Spurs would like to run more, but with the people we have it won’t happen enough.The Spurs at best will finish sixth in the West and could drop lower. You can’t play small ball against the likes of LAL, Portland, Dallas or for that matter even Phoenix.
It does sound bad, but I think if we get Pop out of the way and start making basketball decisions with our players we can still compete for a championship.
Pop worries too much about is this guy a vet or not.
Blair and TP (as a rookie) should have shown him that age is nothing but a number.
We are one trade away from going from next to last back to the top of the West. But somehow either Pop or the front office is too afraid to pull the trigger.
TY Thomas is a 1st round draft pick, it is not everyday you get a shot to get that kind of talent to fill a spot where we are clearly weak. We need to be begging the Bulls for this trade.
Yeah Pop.
Who do you think is stopping Blair and Ian from averaging double doubles. RC?
Where is Haislip? Where is Ian?
Young talent that is not getting used.
Which is why I think we are hesitant to pull the trigger on TY.
Answer this. Other than TD, TP, and Manu, who on our team is better than TY Thomas??? So why are we not jumping at a chance to get a 1st rounder, who would be the 2nd best player in our front court?
You must be a closet Laker fan or something
AKA: Linix129, sw12
by Sean Wunderlich on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I was watching TP playing in that 2003 championship series the other day. He really sucked. Good thing we had Claxton.
Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
Claxton was great during the playoff run. Marbury killed Parker in the first round and Kidd in the finals. He had an awesome 3rd quarter against Dallas though.
"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobli
I spent 50% of the games yelling all kind of curses against Parker from 2003 to 2007…. and he is good for 4 or 5 insults a game since then
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Don’t even remind me. TP was horrible in the clutch all the way till almost 2005. I can’t remember what he did even then to be honest, other than the road runner act of course. But crunch time TP has been few and far between.
TP carried us last year. Give him some respect dammit. : )
No seriously, if it wasn’t for TP we would have been swept out of the 1st round last year.
I think TP earned the right to shoot whenever he wants to.
At one time, Pop wanted to trade TP for Kidd. Yeah, imagine where we would be if that happened.
TY Thomas is a 1st round draft pick, it is not everyday you get a shot to get that kind of talent to fill a spot where we are clearly weak. We need to be begging the Bulls for this trade.
Darko is available too. And Kwame is getting no playing time on the Pistons. We should trade for those guys too!! They would all fill the spot we are weak at: big men who are BUSTS.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Darko or Kwame shouldn’t even be mentioned as NBA players, better yet Spurs. They were unproven players that should have NEVER been selected in the draft. People saw what TY could do at LSU, it was a no brainer that he would be a defensive player on the next level.
Are you saying that TY is a bust?
I hope not, TY is no bust. He is a defensive player that we desperately need to compensate for our smallness. It doesn’t have to be TY but we better get somebody by Thursday that can defend the paint against teams like Denver, LA, Dallas and Utah because there is no one on our current roster that can do it. Check our record against them.
I don’t get the love for Tyrus Thomas. He sucks.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 17, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions
If not TY then who???
Who doesn’t suck in your opinion that can help us and is on the trade block?
Or do you think we can win with the current roster?
I wanted Marcus Camby, but there he goes to Portland. Maybe Haywood could’ve helped too, but the Mavs got there before us.
Ty Thomas has been playing for four years and he still hasn’t put it together. What gives us any assurance that he’ll get it with the Spurs, who run a more complicated system? Trading for Thomas is a desperate move. And we all know what happened when we first fell in love with a similar athletic guy who now occupies the small forward spot in this team.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 17, 2010 3:06 AM CST up reply actions
Camby would have worked. Haywood even better.
At this point, I think we are desperate. And from the reports that are coming out, RC appears to be very concerned. I think if teams saw TY guarding the paint they would not try him. Which would help our perimeter defense too. He is a natural shot blocker with a decent jumper so we don’t pay a huge toll on the other end with him on the floor.
The difference between TY and RJ, TY is a true defender. RJ was is being converted to play defense.
The problem seems to be that the Spurs cant get anyone without losing a good chunk of the 3 point shooting corps ( a weapon San Antonio relies on ) and or Manu.
We are just shitfucked with Rages contract…
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
The Spurs would be far better off with Stephen Jackson at the three and Richards ass on the bench.
I am convinced Richard is hurting. There just cant be anyway he sucks THAT much ( Can he ?? )
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
You are right about Capt Jack. We should have jumped at the opportunity to get him when he was leaving GS, I wonder what happened why we passed on him? Pride maybe???
I think we need RJ’s size at SF to compete in the West. I really don’t think he is the problem on defense. Unless we get another SF that can defend Melo or Artest or Dirk we are going to have a problem with these matchups.
I think our primary problem is we are giving up too many points in the paint. What SF in the ENTIRE NBA could stop all the points we are surrendering in paint?
The Lakers really exposed our weakness. Just attack us inside and you have a dam good chance of beating us. We are too old, to short and too slow reacting in the paint. RJ is not the problem on defense. He hurts the offense somewhat, but better defense can help him in this regard. If we were tougher on defense we could use our defense to score. This would allow RJ to do his thing in the open court. We have to get stops, as long as we keep getting the ball out of the nets, RJ will not blossom. He is a volume shooter on a team that values every possesion, not a good match offensively.
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