Game #19 Recap: Spurs come from behind to edge T-Wolves, 107-101
For the second meeting in a row, the Minnesota Timberwolves took it to the San Antonio Spurs for most of the game and nearly pulled the upset. But in similar fashion to their first encounter, the Spurs once again were able to dig deep into their talent pool and veteran know-how -- led by emerging 6th Man of the Year candidate George Hill and gutsy free-throw shooting by Manu Ginobili -- to eke out a thrilling comeback and leave the young Wolves in disappointment, despite drawing impressive performances from young studs Kevin Love and Michael Beasley.
Let's recap another heart attack game, after the jump.
Just to set things straight, I'm not happy at all whenever the Spurs get into trouble late against below-.500 teams. These games are supposed to give our aging core extra rest, provide more court time for the bench and give them confidence, and practice whatever new wrinkles that the coaching staff wants to incorporate. Instead, the act of having to come back from significant deficits make the players expend A TON of energy, which lead to tired legs and more missed shots, and other things such as slower reactions and all that.
First, Some Props to the T-Cubs
Anyway.
Before I get to The Comeback, a little Love for the T-Wolves, who've been giving our dear silver and black the hardest of times in this young regular season. I think someone from the comments during the first game mentioned that with some teams in the West weakening, this rag tag group can sneak in and nab a playoff spot. Since the NBA marketing heads and KG continuously brainwash us that anything is possible, I'll give 'em that.
While I love me some Blair, Kevin Love is the real heir to Moses Malone's rebound hound throne. Watching this guy, he's just so crafty around the glass. He's one of those players who you love to hate if he's not on your team but still find it easy to appreciate his gift of grab. There were several possessions when he neither outjumped nor outhustled opponents, and still ended up with the ball. Late in the game, the Spurs had to send two, three guys to box out K-Love and help in the loose ball rebounds. He was that crazy good on the boards.
If ever a team's going to make noise in the playoffs, they need a superstar, and Michael Beasley is probably their closest guy to that status. Sadly, he still needs to get his head on straighter than Rambis' hair (seriously Beas, LOSE the dreadlocks!) and play consistently for the full 48 minutes. And even sadder is that I don't think he'll ever live up to the superstar standard.
The rest of the Wolves cast, though, remains lacking. Corey Brewer's BBIQ seems low, to think that he was part of that back-to-back National Champion Florida Gators squad. Luke Ridnour isn't someone you'd want playing a lot of minutes. Wes Johnson, while talented and athletic and long (draft scout's dream!), plays like a career role player, and Darko Milicic just doesn't quite cut it as a consistent big man night-in and night-out.
Hanging Around On a Friday Night
The signs of another rough game for our Spurs kept on popping during the first half, particularly the piss-poor rebounding start, with the Pups racing out to an 11-0 rebounding edge in the game's first few minutes. That was a glaring stat, although you could temper that by saying Duncan was blocking everything in sight (do you count a recovery after a block a rebound?), along with the Wolves turning the ball over in some situations. The free throw disparity ended up at a huge -22 for the Spurs, and a whopping -16 on the offensive glass. That was a good glass-kicking, to say the least.
Three-point shooting remained awful as well, continuing a trend from the Clippers game. Manu, Bonner and RJ missed a ton of open shots, both from three-point distance and mid range. Seeing all those misses, I had playoff flashbacks when nothing seemed to fall for the team, including those in-and-out shots that make heartbeats sink to lower than normal levels.
Thankfully, Tim and Tony kept us close during that stretch. Give it to the old man for wanting to get back at Darko for embarrassing the GPFOAT during that initial encounter. Timmeh was incredibly rock solid in protecting the paint, and completely took Milicic out of his rhythm by getting him into foul trouble. Too bad though that Duncan's supporting bigs couldn't keep the enemies away from piling on the offensive rebounds.
Eject Me Because I Want To Mess With My Staff... Or I'm Just Bored With This Game
With Manu playing uncharacteristically lethargic for much of the game and Tim and Tony slowing down from trying to keep the team in the game, the inevitable Wolves salvo began. In the midst of that blistering run was Brewer, Beasley and Love, and if Beas didn't hurt himself towards the end of that spurt, it would've been big for the upset dreamers. It didn't help that the Spurs kept on shooting long twos with the shot clock winding down, either.
And then the thinkable happened. Pop got himself ejected after finally having enough of all the missed over-the-back calls and three-second violations, sloppy shooting and defense, and seeing Joey C.'s smug mug through it all. This left a confused and tired team on the hands of some regular chap named Mike Budenholzer, Pop's top assistant for quite some time now.
Not to be outdone by the surprising depth that the Spurs roster has this season, the coaching staff showed that they are also crazy awesome outside of Popovich. Down 15 to start the fourth and given the Spurs' past propensity to call it a day when faced with leads this big, one may be forgiven to think that it's a lost cause. But the eager Budenholzer realized that if he's to trim such a big deficit in a short period of time, he needed his energy guys out there. He came up with the lineup of Hill, Neal, Blair, Manu, and Bonner/Dice, a group that we've seen before during preseason games to be capable of making comebacks.
While Blair's numbers don't necessarily jump out of the boxscore, his impact in jumpstarting the comeback train with offensive boards, drawing loose ball fouls and using his long reach to initiate steals couldn't be discounted. Neal and Bonner also finally started to get breaks with their threes, while Georgie's smart swipes at driving Wolves players generated breakaways. As the psychological barrier of a double-digit deficit was broken, so was the young T-Pups team's resolve.
Sensing this, Coach Bud slowly brought in the big guns, with the catch of putting in a small ball lineup after Darko fouled out. Once Tim, RJ and Tony subbed in, it was only a matter of time when the lead would be regained. The ballhawking defense returned and created a lot of open court opportunities for our top athletes Albatross and Rage. Love wasn't feeling his name on the free throw line, and Beasley returned to his turnover prone, unclutch self. Even with his shot not falling and his legs seemingly tied to a ball chain, Manu knew the opponent was wobbly and did what he does best - dialing up the URA, going for broke with maniacal Argentine attacking to draw fouls, and using up every inch of ice in his veins to coolly sink the clutch free throws. Add to that the epic play off a timeout by Coach Bud that ended up with a Rage dunk, and another comeback victory and heartbreak for the Wolves were sealed.
Another game, another gutsy performance, albeit against another mediocre squad. A second straight loss would've been devastating. Are we regressing back to the Spurs mean? Are tired legs already taking over this early into the season? Are there hidden injuries that, in typical Spurs fashion, are kept from the public eye until after some time? Are teams finally figuring out how to stop the Spursffensive juggernaut? When is Tiago Splitter going to get significant minutes? Is Manu Ginobili gassed out? Is Pop drinking too much wine?
I think more than the answers that we've already seen during the earlier games, this one produced some really intriguing questions. I say continue to enjoy each and every win, no matter what shape or form, but let the discovery continue.
Your Three Stars
3 -- Coach Pop and Bud - These two share honors, the former for the typical eject-me-ref motivational ploy, and the latter for holding the ship together and pulling the strings on a great comeback.
2 -- Manu Ginobili - Much as what I liked what Tim, Tony and Rage did, most people remember what happens in the end. Despite an overall bad night, Gino still makes us remember him in a special way with a solid closing performance. 16 points, 13-13 from the line.
1 -- George Hill - He's no PG for sure, but he's been instant offense AND defense off the bench who's showing he's very capable of stepping in the shoes of our backcourt stars when they're having a bad night. 20 points, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, and a big hustle play to a loose ball and call timeout during the waning moments of the game. Keep it up, please, Georgeous.
Up Next: Game 2 of the 6-game homestand against the Hornets... again! For the third time now, I'm getting kinda sick seeing these guys' faces. They inflicted our first home loss this season, let's try to make amends, shall we?
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Nice recap.
K-Love has a big keister that roots himself to the floor like a tree trunk. Add to that his BBIQ and good hands, the man is a rebounding machine. It did not help that throughout the 2nd half our guards ended up on him and Beasley on rebound position. We got out-hustled in the first half and often out-matched in the 3rd Q. Fortunately, effort won out in the 4th. Still, those guys have excellent size to go with young young legs.
The 8 blocked shots stood out most of all. The forced turnovers, led by 11 steals, are impressive in that they don’t feel like gambles as much as quick hands, long arms and smart team defense. This has been a consistent theme of this team and a positive sign that they are not getting tired legs.
I’d still like to see Hill shoot the corner 3 in rhythm, especially when the shot clock is under ten seconds, instead of faking, dribbling, then passing into a more difficult shot.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I disagree about Manu as #2.
I think Timmy or RJ should have been in the top 3. Timmy carried the team on offense in the 1st half with Parker. He also helped keep Darko quiet and was solid on D throughout the game. RJ was solid picking up rebounds and even though his shot wasn’t falling he made sure it happened in other ways.
I had trouble choosing the top 3, really, and you make good arguments for both players. But as I explained, I chose to go with endgame heroics because that’s what stuck in my mind more than anything.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 4, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Great recap Davis, I love your point of view on things.
In regards to the question of tired legs I don’t think the guys are burned out yet. This was a THIGAFONI so it’s expected that the guys would be a bit tired. I also think it was clear that we underestimated our last two opponents. I think the team has shown that we have what it takes to win games, we just need to put the effort in on a consistent basis. Effort is something that I don’t think our guys will be lacking when it matters.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
Thank you for this telltale fact I completely looked over. I Did NOT know this was a true thigafoni. (Though this still doesnt explain the 1st game in which San Antonio was also fortunate to win)
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
NIght before Thanksgiving on the road. Focus was not there. However, credit the T-Wolves for being as talented as they are young. On their SEGABABA they lit up the Cavs tonight.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I also think that the first game, the Spurs may have been looking past the Twolves because of their record. For all the talk about ‘one game at a time,’ they had Dallas and NOOCH in the next games the weekend after Thanksgiving. Of course, for the second game, San Antonio had no excuse to underestimate Minnesota.
I wonder now if (some of) the Spurs players might now feel that they can always find a way to beat the Twolves somehow, instead of an ‘appropriate level of fear.’ I certainly hope the former is not the case. On the other side of the ball, the young Twolves could respond in the next game by coming out very aggressively, or could be psychologically defeated before the tip off…. it should be interesting to watch.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
They may also match up better with us than some winning teams, while not being a very good team themselves. Every winning team has that one lesser team that gives them issues. Used to be the Bucks for us. T-Wolves have beaten Utah a number of times the past few seasons. They may become the envy of the other teams near the top of the West hierarchy.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Could be. They nearly beat the Lakers, though that may not be the ‘gold’ standard anymore. My impression is that they have talented players but they are young and make mistakes. For all the emphasis Kahn puts on stocking the team with PGs, what they really need most imho is a high BBIQ veteran PG who can teach the kids the ‘right way’ to play.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
The TWolves are a good looking young team that might miss the playoffs this year but if they keep the core together will be battling soon. Love follows his game last night by getting 20 points and 13 rebounds against Cleveland tonight, and it’s only half-time. At half the TWolves are up 73-54 with a rebound advantage of 24-13. Cleveland may not be a very good team this year, but they are currently on 1/2 game out of the final playoff seed in the East.
I honestly dont know what to make of the Spurs struggles against the T wolves. I have literally only watched the last 5 or so minutes of each game.
Something tells me the Spurs would destroy these guys in a series, so that makes me feel better. Lets just take the dub, and forget about these 2 games ( till we play them again on Jan 9th and 11th, lol)
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
So did Pop get tossed to make a point or were some of the calls that bad he felt he had to make a point? I wasn’t able to watch the game to tell.
Both, that and he called the ref a “c@€k $ucker”…
hehe…
by In the 666 on Dec 4, 2010 9:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol…yeah, that probably would get him tossed. And did I read correctly that J Crawford was reffing the game? Did he run Pop or was it somebody else?
I actually don’t remember who tossed him, but Pop was pretty intent on enjoying some wine sooner rather than later…
by In the 666 on Dec 4, 2010 10:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did he really? I couldn’t read his lips beyond his screaming “travel!”
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
It’s actually a Bull Durham reference… Great scene!
by In the 666 on Dec 5, 2010 8:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like our guys fall in love with the tip-in/put back some times… Can we please just grab a rebound and reasses the situation? I’m not discounting what Love does on the boards, it just seems like (even when we’re “trying” to get rebounds) we aren’t putting our hands on the damn ball… Our system already calls for sacrificing offensive boards to setup D. Just grab the damn ball, please! Fundamentals!!! There’s a reason (arguablly, to be diplomatic) the best player in Spurs history has the nickname BigFun (The Big Fundamental) …
I’m having a blast this season though, keep up the W’s and, I still love the ratio! It’ll get you a “chip” every time!..
GSG!
by In the 666 on Dec 4, 2010 9:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I’m always waiting for a Pop ejection to happen. Every. Single. Game.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 5, 2010 5:00 AM CST up reply actions
Since that would mean that the Spurs would have to be playing like $#!*%^% every. single. game., I really don’t want that. s&bd. Please keep waiting…. :)
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Pop continued his trend of only using Tiago in place of Tim. It might be the main reason we see so little of Tiago is that Pop wants to use Tim as much as possible until such point that the game is clearly won. There haven’t been too many clear wins.until the game ends.
I keep hoping that Pop will at some point also use Tiago alongside Tim. I’d be surprised if that happens against New Orleans, as last time Pop won by playing a lot of small ball. I’d guess that the next team on the schedule that presents a big lineup that might be best matched with a twin towers would be Portland?
Don’t look now, But Sactown is putting the My Little Ponies’ winning streak in peril. Up by three with a few minutes to go, they were up by nine a couple minutes earlier…
Damn, tied ballgame. Hopefully the King’s young guns can pull this one out…
by slipstream21 on Dec 4, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sac still with a chance to tie or win on a three with 11.5 seconds….
by slipstream21 on Dec 4, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Ah well, the MLPs win there ninth straight, but at least Sac made them work for it…
by slipstream21 on Dec 4, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Thumbs up.
I don’t know exactly what it is, but these little Wolves give us a little trouble. I look at their godawful record and wonder how they could look so good against us at times.
Oh well, like you say, just enjoy the W’s.
Hopefully Pop (and Bud!) are getting some good knowledge from these strangely hard fought wins (as well as losses).
Now let’s return to our usual role of beating the Hornets.
Don’t forget, the Twolves nearly beat the Lakers (before they went into their 4-game slide).
They have the problems that many young teams/players do, but they should not be underestimated.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
T-Wolves do play the triangle offense. Perhaps Pop has tried some specific defense just to test out how our guys do in them while defending a triangle team with size.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
A very insightful comment! I hadn’t considered that….
But it’s troubling. If the Spurs play like they did for the first three quarters of either game against the Twolves, they won’t be able to beat the Lakers, regardless of what happens in the fourth quarter, imho. But if they can play like they did in the fourth quarters of both Twolves contests for complete games vs. the Lakers, they almost will certainly win. What will actually happen is probably something in between, which makes the outcome uncertain… and the games worth watching.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Corey Brewer’s BBIQ seems low
but he sure is high on some BBQ.
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
GOL… but is that what they call it in Minnesota? And I thought it was Beas who’s fond of getting high on that stuff. }>
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Has anybody mentioned how much we miss James Anderson. He was playing awesome Defense and was shooting pretty well too. We need him on the court if we are going to stay on top of the West.
I’m missing &erson every minute of every game that Manu’s on the floor after his 30th minute, whenever a bench player misses a three, and when the other team’s SF makes a play on our backup SF (whoever it happens to be at the time).
But I’m unwilling to pin our chances to be the “Best of West” on the health and play of one player rookie.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I do. I’m surprised that our record has maintained this strong due to what he brought early and what I expect him to bring all season Namely, some size and athleticism on defense to go with 3-pt shooting and some ability to get to the rim. I ant him back to reduce the minutes of Manu and RJ, while also improving his game so that he ascends late in the season and is part of the playoff rotation.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
i do, of course. That 20 mpg he was logging would be a boon for Manu/RJ now. It seems that when the Spurs are playing small ball now, Manu is plugged in at the 3. That’s not good from a season-long perspective. I just hope that when &erson gets back, Pop will actually play him again.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
It’s no surprise we’re struggling Tim and Manu min. are too high in these last couple of games and it’s starting to show. Manu said he didn’t have his legs under him when he was shooting. That is proof he is playing too many min. and is exhausted and Tim looked a little sluggish. In my opinion the min. should be dealt out this way. Manu and Tim 25 to 29 maybe 30 min. a game. Hill and Jefferson as much as needed 25 to 35 min. Neal, Bonner, and JA 14 to 20 min. Neal and JA exception if they get into a zone exceed 20 min. McDyess put on shelf till playoffs or until we play Dallas. TP9 and Tiago 30 to 35 min. I know the numbers might not add up… but you get the point.
I think Pop is still working out the rotation (it’s only December, after all) and whoever plays on a given night will depend on matchups and who is playing well. What does frustrate me a little is that Pop sometimes sticks with a player who isn’t having a good game in his particular primary skill set (e.g. shooting threes, rebounding, driving, etc.) for a little too long imho, as long as the player is trying/active, playing defense correctly, and hustling for 50-50 balls.
On one hand, I appreciate the message he’s sending the player and the team: “I have confidence in you, just keep at it, keep pounding the rock.” (it’s great coaching), but on the other hand he has talented, hungry players on the bench who might have a good game that night and will provide just as much effort, hustle, and intangibles as the struggling player.
Timmy didn’t seem sluggish last night, at least not in the first half. And I agree, his offensive production went down in the 2nd half, but by then other players were picking it up. I didn’t get to watch much of the 2nd half, but his defense looked fine then from what I saw. The difficulty seemed to me that he was trying to control the boards against two Twolves bigs; pairing Timmy with Tiago (and fabled box-out focus) probably would have helped.
Manu did seem tired and his saying in the post-game interview he didn’t have his legs under him is indeed indicative of too many minutes. I wrote a while back that I’m concerned about Manu’s longevity as a player because I didn’t feel that he would be able to dial it back; a number of PtR’rs said he’s a smart player and would adjust his game to his physical capabilities. I have not seen that this year… he still plays every minute on the floor to win and only stops when completely exhausted or the clock runs out. Did y’all notice who was fighting to the bitter end in the Mavs and Slippers losses? Manu. I don’t know if he can play any other way, it may be written into his basketball DNA.
The thing I worry most about Manu playing tired is the greater likelihood of injuries, minor and otherwise. I’m sure everyone here who saw Manu knock knees winced and maybe thought “Oh gawd o gawwd o gawwwd, nooooo!” like I did. I think that a rested Manu would have managed to avoid the collision, but an exhausted Manu could have… I don’t want to think about that.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, your comments/concerns about Manu I’ve also felt many times lately.
It’s tough because his give-it-all every minute on the court is what makes him so great. But also what can cause injuries.
Getting Anderson back will be a big relief.
Yes, his win-at-any-cost-to-himself fervor is what makes Manu special, and his play so compelling to watch. It’s also why I never give up on him come crunch time, even when he’s having a terrible game up to that point.
Crunch time = clutch time …and they don’t come any more clutch than Mr. Manu Ginobili.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I must admit there was a play in the crucial final few possessions of the last game where Tony was running the play, and I was yelling, “Give it to Manu!! Why does Parker have it??”
This in spite of Manu’s relatively poor night. Still had the most confidence in him to finish it.
As I recall Tony did pass to Manu, who got the points.
And it’s not just us fans who respect Manu’s game. One of the reasons that the critical RJ 2.0 slipped screen play was so brillian is that Manu, despite having only made one FG all game, was still a credible decoy. He was able to draw two defenders towards him, without the ball and over twenty feet away from the basket.
Think about it. How many players would be able to draw two opposing players out of the play, without the ball, far away from the basket, and having had a terrible shooting night? Maybe one, or two other players playing today. Maybe Bird, Jordan, Robertson, Jerry West, possibly Gervin? It’s not a long list.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
kick some hornets's behind
I look forward to the spurs burying em hornets tonight….
And i hope to see blair dish back some to west…and tiago please toughen up fast
....thirsty for that next spurs championship title
by oragonakomanoyinmanila on Dec 5, 2010 7:45 AM CST reply actions
Oragon!!!! Welcome!
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
thanks dude… glad to be here…
....thirsty for that next spurs championship title
by oragonakomanoyinmanila on Dec 5, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Great recap, s&bd! Thanks… and rec’d. Filled in the parts of the game I missed while taking care of my own (T)puppy.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 5, 2010 12:19 PM CST reply actions

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