Game # 25 Recap: Spurs 113, Nuggets 112; Manu Saves The Day Again
So, the Spurs are 22-3. After barely escaping with a win at home against Milwaukee last night, the Spurs took the floor for what would turn out to be a wilder, and even more intense contest tonight. In one way, this game was old school Spurs basketball, as the big 3 did the great majority of the damage.
In another way, it clearly wasn't old school Spurs basketball - one look at the number of points scored by Denver should tell you that. But, any win on a SEGABABA on the road versus the best home team in the league is a welcome win. Also, Manu Ginobili is awesome - if you read PtR regularly, you already knew that, but it needed to be said again. How did he save us this time? Dive in for a gameflow recap.
Apologies if my writing seems rushed, but I wanted to capture as much of the action as I could. What follows is a cleaned-up version of my game notes.
For once, TNT's first game finished in time for them to cut to the Spurs game without it already being in progress. However, they then interviewed Big Baby Davis and went back to the studio to show highlights for the next 12 minutes, so the start time was delayed anyway. In the meantime, Sir Charles kept insisting that the Spurs weren't as good as Dallas.
**sigh**
So, Chuck says I'm not good enough anymore, huh?
Photo by Garrett W. Ellwood - Getty Images
First Quarter
A couple of early buckets by Arron Afflalo were part of a 4-4 shooting start that put the Moonmen up 8-4, with Timmy countering him with our first four points. Of course, Pop doesn't like it when we don't contest shots enough, so he called a timeout at this point, with 9:47 remaining in the first. Finally, the Nuggs missed a couple of shots(actually the Spurs blocked three - the Nuggs didn't miss anything that wasn't blocked up to that point), and the Spurs closed to within 2 a couple of times, 8-10 and 10-12.
The trend of Denver not missing anything that wasn't blocked continued, as Denver went on a 7-0 run before Afflalo finally missed a shot. Finally, Timmy hit a couple of freebies at the other end, and forced Nene and Shelden Williams into missed shots or blocks at the rim. Chris Quinn, of all people, showed some heart in getting his own rebound and laying it in to bring the score back to 14-19, and Tony kept the good vibes going on the next possession with a floater, which was then countered by a floater from... Nene? Weird. Then, things went from bad to worse when Blair got a defensive 3-second violation, Melo hit the freebie and Al Harrington hit a 3 on the ensuing possession to make it 25-16. George and JR Smith then traded baskets before a Blair dunk and a Lawson 3. Denver led 30-20 with 1:46 left in the quarter, and Pop called a timeout, because that score apparently doesn't indicate good defense.
Bonner hit a 3 out of the timeout, but the D wasn't any better as Harrington drove the lane for an easy lay-in. Parker and Lawson traded layups, once again not an indicator of defensive prowess. Tony got to the line on the ensuing possession and made both freebies, before the Spurs finally forced a miss(!) on the other end by Harrington. Tony got to the line once again on the Spurs final possession of the quarter and made one of two. But JR smith got a dunk and-one by losing Tony on the final play of the quarter. Not good, Tony, not good. You're faster than him.
Nuggets 37, Spurs 28
Second Quarter
The Spurs started off the second with a couple of bricks, while Harrington made another 3. Tony countered with a patented Tony Parker floater, the Spurs forced a miss on the other end, and Neal drew a foul on Afflalo. Tony made another J on the possession, and Manu fouled Gary Forbes on the other end, who made one of two. Blair got an easy layup on the Spurs next possession, and the Spurs got lucky when JR Smith missed a 3, but screwed up the rebound by stepping out of bounds, and Melo went inside for a layup. George picked up a charge from Cryptkeeper Bavetta on the other end, and Harrington missed a contested layup. Forbes fouled on the ensuing Spurs possession, and Manu took advantage by nailing a 3 off of a nice screen by Blair.
When the Nuggets got the ball back, Melo drew a foul inside, and made one of two. Neal made a long shot with his foot on the line to bring us within 5(39-44), and the teams traded misses on 3 consecutive possessions before RJ drew a foul on his way to the rim on the break, making 1 of two freebies. JR Smith threw a pass out of bounds on Denver's next possession, but the Spurs failed to capitalize as Manu missed. Melo got an easy bucket on Denvers next trip, before RJ bobbled a pass inside from Timmy for a turnover. Timmy forced a miss from Nene, and RJ drew another foul on the ensuing fastbreak, making one of two freebies. Melo drew a foul on Neal near the rim, but thankfully missed the shot(made both freebies, though). Manu missed a three that looked rushed, and Lawson followed suit with a long miss of his own.
Timmy nailed a midrange jumper to get into doube figures, and Melo missed a VERY contested midrange shot of his own at the other end. Timmy tapped in a miss by TP to bring us within 3, but Afflalo answered with a jumper at the other end. Tony threw away the ball looking for Manu on the Spurs' next possession, and Lawson countered by missing a contested layup. Tony got inside and drew a foul on the other end, sinking one of the FT's. Melo missed a jumper badly, and Tony got a floater at the other end to bring us within 2. Nene answered with a jumper, and Neal missed a floater on our possession. Afflalo sinks a three at the other end, and suddenly we're down 7 again. Neal sank a tres of his own on the next possession, and Karl decided it was time to call timeout after a Neal foul(Melo sank one of the free shots). 56-51 Nuggets with 2:11 left in the second.
Timmy drew a foul on Forbes during our next possession, and made both freebies to get us back within 3. Afflalo travelled on the other end, and manu got called for the same thing when he shuffled his feet at the other end. Timmy got called for a weak goaltend on defense, and Tony got an easy lay-in on the next possession. Lawson capitalized on an offensive board at the other end, and Tony put in a bank shot at the other end. After a missed 3 from Afflalo, Manu missed a three of his own to end the half.
Nuggets 60, Spurs 57
Third Quarter
Timmy opened the third quarter with a jumper, but Nene drew a foul on Blair at the other end and sank both of the freebies. RJ hit a three after some incredible ball movement to tie the game, but Lawson countered with a layup at the other end. Manu then missed an open 3, and Melo drew another foul on Blair, sinking both freebies. Manu drew two fouls on Nene on the ensuing possession, making both free throws. Nene commited an offensive foul right away at the other end(not to mention a travel), and Timmy layed in a nice pass from RJ to tie it back up.
Melo missed at the other end before Tony threw a pass too low for Timmy inside. Afflalo got a layup after Denver brought down the offensive board on a Melo miss. The teams traded bricks on the next few possessions, before Nene layed it in, even though he clearly pushed off of Duncan to get space. Timmy followed an RJ miss to bring us back within 3, and Nene drew a foul on Tim at the other end, making one freebie. Tony missed a midrange J, but the Moonmen caught a break on the other end when the refs blew an out-of-bounds call. Lawson layed it in on the bonus possession, and Timmy followed by nailing a Timmy bankshot. Afflalo nailed a long 2 at the other end, and Tony missed a layup, followed by Melo drawing a foul after two offensive rebounds by Denver(he made one of the FT's).
Timmy threw in another banker, followed by a steal underneath, but that effort was negated by a three-second violation on Dice. The Nugget's couldn't capitalize on the TO, and Williams fouled Dice on the rebound, while Nene committed a defensive three second violation on our next possession(Neal sank the freebie, and Dice got a lay-in on the possession to bring us within 1.) Dice got a dunk off of Tony's penetration and pass to give us our first lead at 77-76, before Melo nailed a long two to take the lead back just a few seconds later.
RJ committed an offensive foul before we could get another shot, and Harrington knocked down a three over Bonner, after which Bonner redeemed himself by making a three of his own. Tony stole the ball for an uncontested layup on the Nuggs' next possession to tie it back up. Melo's next shot was blocked by the rim, followed by RJ knocking down a big three from the top of the arc. Melo was fouled on a jumper, and made both freebies, followed by Hill throwing up an airball three attempt. The Nuggs retained possession after a miss by Anthony Carter, but Harrington missed a three at the buzzer to keep the Spurs up 1.
Spurs 85, Nuggets 84
Fourth Quarter
Forbes opened the final quarter with a miss, and Neal countered with a miss of his own, with RJ committing a foul on the rebound attempt. Smith hit a long two to put the Nuggets back up by 1, but Dice answered with classic Dice jumper from the left baseline. Smith drew a foul on his way to the rim, and made both free throws at the other end. And then, it was Manu time.
Manu got an easy layup off a nice pass from Hill before Smith missed a layup. Manu then made a stepback jumper to put us up 3, and Melo bricked a jumper over Dice. Manu then made a three, to prove that the previous two possessions had gotten him going after a 1-8 shooting start, and putting us up 6. Afflalo missed the first Denver shot after a timeout, and Manu missed on a second three, but Bonner got the rebound and got fouled in the process(made 1 of 2).
Nene then got an layup and drew a foul on Duncan, completing the 3-point play. Manu and Timmy then ran the PnR to perfection, with Timmy getting an easy dunk. Nene countered with another lay-in around Timmy, and Afflalo fouled Manu on the ensuing possession. Tony got fouled by Nene on a floater attempt that missed, and proceeded to make both FT's. Bonner made a three after a scrambling, frantic possession following a Nene miss. Smith missed a shot on the other end, and Nene picked up his fifth foul while Manu was dribbling to the left baseline. Tony bricked a floater, and Smith double-dribbled at the other end. Another Spurs miss was followed by Melo making an easy one over George. Timmy missed on the our end, and Tony fouled Lawson on a drive, who made both freebies. Manu missed a three, but Nene thankfully missed a dunk on the ensuing Denver possession.
George missed another three, and Timmy scored on the classic four down play after a Manu steal. Hill fouled Smith on the other end, who made both of his shots from the line. Tony layed in a sweet pass from Timmy, but Afflalo knocked down a three at the other end. The Spurs then went to four down again, but Timmy missed this time, and Melo got a layup and foul on the other end. Melo missed the free shot, and RJ made a three on the ensuing possession to bring the lead back up to 5(109-104). Nene missed a shot with Timmy draped over him, followed by four down at the other end, on which Nene fouled out(bad call, but I'll take it given all the ones that went against us tonight). Timmy missed both FT's, and Melo made a circus layup at the other end. Tony missed a three, and fouled Smith on the rebound, who made one of two. George got called for an offensive foul on the next possession. Suddenly, not looking so good. Next, Afflalo missed a long two, and Manu missed a stepback jumper, followed by a loose ball foul on Dice. Harrington made one of the freebies. 109-108, Spurs up with 23.1 seconds remaining.
The Spurs played keep away for a few seconds until Manu got fouled at the 16.1 second mark, and The Sickness made both, causing Karl to call timeout. Melo drove for a dunk, followed by a deflection of the inbounds pass gave Melo another layup with 7.1 seconds left. Manu then got a layup with 4.2 left. Spurs 113, Nuggets 112. That would prove to be the final score, as Manu drew a charge on Anthony, negating what would have been the game-winner, and Dice cuaght the inbounds pass to take the last 0.4 off the clock.
Spurs 113, Nuggets 112
As fas as Carmelo's post-game disagreement with the charge call is concerned, I'm going to quote Hirschof, from after last night's game:
WE HAVE MANU GINOBILI. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.
Ladies and gentlemen, Manu Ginobili.


Three Stars (in no particular order)
Tim Duncan - Hey Charles, Timmeh heard you before the game saying that he wasn't the reason for the Spurs' 2010-11 early success. 28 points, 16 boards, 4 blocks, 3 assists, 1 steal and zero turnovers say "Shut up, Chuck".
Manu Ginobili - If all you did was look at the box score for this game, you'd have no idea how great Manu really was. 16 points, 4 assists, 3 rebounds, and the only starter with a positive plus/minus. Oh, and a clutch rating of about 8 trillion, due to his go ahead shot, and drawing the game-clinching offensive foul.
Tony Parker - Tony kept us in the game during a few stretches, especially late in the first half. 24 points and 9 assists is a great night for Tony anytime it happens.
Honorable mention to Matt Bonner, who made shots, as well as a few key plays that contributed to him leading the team in +/- (it's uncanny how he does that).
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When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less
Even though we had one Spurs fan that went to the opponent blog, he did not troll. I would strongly advise against posting on other teams blogs, especially after a win, because it will be viewed with hostility. No body likes to see their team lose.
I saw some pretty low brow things at the opponent blog tonight after the game, so I hope their moderation team figures out a way to circumvent that so there are more quality posts.
Thanks for keeping it classy, PtR. You guys really are the best fan base I’ve known.
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 17, 2010 2:25 AM CST reply actions
thanks!
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 17, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
I kinda semi-trolled over there, but that’s because they didn’t get my sarcasm.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Dec 17, 2010 5:02 AM CST up reply actions
oh, you
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 17, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
it wasn’t my fault, I was being quoted, and responded to.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Dec 17, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
So not only did WaveOcean repost PtR comments over on their post-game thread, he was doing it in their game thread as well? That’s just stupid and troll-ish.
Things get said in the heat of the moment on game threads, after all, we do it too… but some of the post-game comments seemed well over the top to me. Aren’t they subject to the same SB Nation rules/guidelines as we are?
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
and little o, I don’t think your comment defending yourself over there was remotely troll-like.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
They probably don’t “get” much.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
so I hope their moderation team figures out a way to circumvent that so there are more quality posts.
From some quick observations…. I doubt they will even try.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
I saw some pretty low brow things at the opponent blog tonight
Started reading more… "low brow" is an understatement. They make GhostTown look like Mr. Rogers.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
Ya, just saw that some of those comments were reminiscent of the deepest bowels of 4chan. Just makes ya feel that much better when you ignore it and stay on your side of the fence.
well said
Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Dec 17, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
haters are confused admirers who don’t understand why people love you
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
by TDzilla! on Dec 17, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’dzilla!
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Dec 17, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll say something….Charles Barkley is a few sandwiches short of a full picnic basket. Of course, when he threw that guy through a plate glass window several years ago, I guess we all kind of figured that out. Oh yeah, and something else….MANU FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!
by titansfan4ever on Dec 17, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I was a bit surprised at how adolescent some of their commentary was. I get the Manu hate in light of his ripping out their hearts yet again. But hate to the point of wanting death or injury? Wanting hard fouls on him (note to Nuggs fans: your team’s silly flagrant foul strategy, born in the ‘05 playoffs, is part of what has caused Manu to take you down continuously. You’ve tried this route before and have only yourselves to blame for the outcome. Don’t mess with the man. It will not end well for you).
Even worse were the declarations that it wasn’t a charge (it was). Or that there should have been no call (you have to call something with that much contact in open space). Or that they should let the players decided the game (they did; Manu outsmarted Melo. In parallel news, water is wet).
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
by SpurredOn on Dec 17, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Manu outsmarted Melo. In parallel news, water is wet.
ROTFLMAO! I nominate this for the Quotes page… what do you think, chief?
And…. I think this goes along with what Kenny was saying after the game about the Spurs ‘insulting’ other teams by ‘saying’ in effect, we don’t think you will take good shots for an entire 48 minute game.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
SpurredOn, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.
In other news: why isn’t this green yet?
Enjoying the trip to # 172 as much as humanly possible
oversight on my part… forgot to vote. Rectified now.
They're not your pop's Spurs... they're Pop's Spurs 2.0!!!
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 20, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
If only fist pumps could kill. Thanks for the gif, Josh. And awesome recap, Tim. You da man.
"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 17, 2010 2:31 AM CST reply actions
I dont know how but please someone make a giff about popovich face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EOaswqRUwM&feature=channel
in the second 0:16
i am sure that is exactly the play he had in mind…throwing the ball across the court and having manu be manu…
reminded me of when blair did his fast break a couple of days ago. I have a feeling the wine cellar is going to dangerously low levels.
by SpurInDallas on Dec 17, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling the wine cellar is going to dangerously low levels.
Made me laugh at work. I’m betting Pop plans to restock during the ASB. But what happens if he has to coach?
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
He’ll probably get himself thrown out in the first quarter and make Coach Bud take it the rest of the way.
Enjoying the trip to # 172 as much as humanly possible
Thereby setting a record as the first (?) coach ever to get ejected from an ASG? I kinda think that Pop might enjoy having that distinction, if he didn’t respect the game so much. lol
They're not your pop's Spurs... they're Pop's Spurs 2.0!!!
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 20, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Respect for the game doesn’t really translate into respect for the Allstar game. It is an exhibition after all, you know?
Enjoying the trip to # 172 as much as humanly possible
by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very comprehensive recap and very fast. Rec’d
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 3:20 AM CST reply actions
Great recap! And what a game! We’re now 19-1 when I’m watching ;)
Go Spurs Go!!
When I hear that some players, fans, coaches are complaining about that last call – I think about what Popovich said after game 4 against LA Loosers 2008 – that was a class act.
manuuu
Weird how all the Spurs starters except Manu had negative ± tonight, and all the Nuggets starters except ‘Melo had positive ±. RJ 2.0’s -21 was hard to believe; even though ’Melo scored 31 points, I felt RJ contained him as well as could be expected.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 3:26 AM CST reply actions
Correction:
Manu does not “miss,” he simply grants the basketball free will to disobey.
Other than that, rec’d!
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by Trey Felder on Dec 17, 2010 3:59 AM CST reply actions 9 recs
Well said.
"Rip it and grip it!" -Kevin Costner
by The Augustus on Dec 17, 2010 4:05 AM CST up reply actions
AFA, please check out the Quotes page which has been updated to reflect your recent awesomeness.
Enjoying the trip to # 172 as much as humanly possible
I can’t remember the exact stats, but RJ is money in the 4th quarter, shooting 70% fg and like 60% 3pt. Freaky crazy.
Manu has got to get some easy baskets going earlier in the game (less of those step back threes to start off the beginning of games). He’s doing great closing out the games, but if he gets back to early season mode, the games might be slightly more balanced.
41.1% and 26% 3pt and 16.1 ppg in December
Hopefully Pop can relax his minutes to get him more rest that may benefit. That said, stellar clutchness from him when they needed it.
I dont mean to beat a dead horse, but If you look at Manus final shot, he was fouled. The thugs are fortunate it wasnt a 3 point play.
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
I didn’t until now… I would have been really mad if they wouldn’t have called the charge. Specially after some of the calls late in the game.
A casual diehard Spurs fan.
There were plenty of fouls that weren’t called, Nene’s off-arm clear-out on TD, for example, and calls that should have gone in our favor that went to the Nuggets (one out-of-bounds play in particular).
And while I would have been mad at the refs if they swallowed their whistles with that much blatant contact — and as Charles said last night, we should give them credit for doing their jobs in making the call — I would have been even madder at the Spurs for all the little mistakes that led up to that point. For example, they had control of the game but turned over the ball on an inbounds play and lost the lead. They even had two 20 sec. timeouts available at that time. Manu’s last-minute heroics were memorable, but they could have been entirely unnecessary.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1. But that’s the kind of foul (touch foul on Ginóbili’s final shot) that often doesn’t get called at the end of a close game. ’Melo knocking over Manu was a little to obvious to ignore.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I shouldn’t have written ‘touch foul’ — I looked at the video of Manu’s final shot again, and while there was some incidental bumping that probably wouldn’t get called at the end of a close game, both Denver players had their arms straight up on D. Good defense, better offense.
I also looked at the ’Melo’s charge again. Manu clearly has established position outside the restricted circle before ‘Melo takes off and jumps into him. Anyone who calls Ginóbili a flopper probably has never taken a full-speed charge from an NBA player who’s bigger than them. I haven’t either, but it seems to me like you have to have a lot of courage and willpower to put yourself into the position to take that kind of blow.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
And the loose ball foul on Dyce that gave Denver a chance to tie the game with 25 second remaining. Refs favored the home team if either team (not unusual) and certainly had some inconsistent moments which is typical of a Bavetta game.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Ah media, even here a local tv provider for basketball also says Dallas is better.Man,why are they paid so big and say things that would only be appreciated by not true blood bball fans.Just saying.*sigh
"I cry,but everyone will cry if I'm in the NBA"-Adam Morrison.I know now why fans cry when they see him on the floor.
It does get annoying hearing about how Dallas is a different team this year. They are a different team…and then the playoffs start. Until that pattern changes, there’s no reason to grant them any sort of validity.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
The Mavs do seem like a different team. And you’re right, until the playoffs start, we won’t know if they’re different enough. That’s true for this edition of the Spurs too, btw.
At the end of the day, does it really matter whether Charles or a local TV pundit or any pundit thinks the Spurs are better than the Mavs or not? They’re just opinions. It’ll all get decided on the floor, by the players. That’s why they play the games.
Despite having a better record, the Spurs have yet to beat the Mavs this season. That’s the bottom line.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Chuck also confidently picked the Mavs in the playoffs last season. Didn’t work out too well for him then either.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
What’s up with our rooks getting posterized, is it the new trend now?
"I cry,but everyone will cry if I'm in the NBA"-Adam Morrison.I know now why fans cry when they see him on the floor.
That dunk on Neal is no discredit to him. It was a vet, Udoka, who got broken down at the top of the key to set up that dunk. Neal was trying to take the charge, like a trooper. Same play that, ironically, won the game, with Jefferdon providing much better pressure, and Manu getting his feet out of the half circle.
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Dec 17, 2010 8:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
“Jefferson”
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Dec 17, 2010 8:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Each time I’ve looked at it I wonder why that was not a charging foul on Smith. Neal’s foot was on the line rather than him being totally outside the circle? Neal was still moving? It looked like a charge to me.
his foot was on the line. Also, it doesn’t matter if your feet or even your whole body is moving as long as your core is directly in front of the guy when you take a charge.
You are only young once, but you can be immature for a lifetime
by the little o on Dec 17, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
From another angle, it looked like his heel was above the line but the part of the foot on the floor wasn’t touching the line. I suppose a “Memorial Day Miracle”-type ruling doesn’t apply to the restricted circle though. :)
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
well put, quincy. It frustrates/amuses me that so many people are talking about the dunk and don’t notice that Neal jumped out there to take the charge, and maybe was a half-step too late (with his left heel over the restricted circle). It’s to Neal’s credit that he sacrificed his body on defense, it’d be silly and counterproductive for Spurs fans to tease or chastise him about it. I like what he tried to do… and would’ve loved it if he’d gotten out there just a little quicker.
The funny thing is that whatever momentum Denver got from the play was short-lived. JR’s made &1 FT made it a 9 point lead at the end of the first quarter, but the Nuggets were able to push the lead only out to 12 before the Spurs started to come shortly after the beginning of the 2nd quarter.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
exactly FT-ROB – it is something that should be applauded not derided
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed Fresh, if everybody avoids being in someone’s poster, nobody’s going to take a charge, which is sometimes the only thing you could do to make a very athletic player think twice about taking off from the free throw line and throwing it down.
The nice thing is that Manu (after chuckling a bit) was saying the same thing (in the next day’s shoot-around interview)… that it was difficult to get over to the spot in time from where Neal was and the Spurs loved Neal’s hustle to try to take the charge. “Welcome to the NBA” indeed.
DeBeast did tease him a bit (said the dunk is on his phone), but said it’s just something rookies have to go thru. He did last year (‘Melo dunk, I think?), he’s just continuing the hazing tradition.
They're not your pop's Spurs... they're Pop's Spurs 2.0!!!
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 20, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
ditto.
All of my bosses are on vacation too so now I don’t have to pretend like I’m working.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
exaclty – late game but well worth it
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
In homage to Manu,I just changed my pic with that game winning smile.So is this game up for grabs for the top 5 best games of the year?honestly,as a fan,I do wonder how the hell we pull things off and I’m happy that we win because of so many unbelievable reasons that for years we haven’t thought of and that the basketball gods just approves SA,they really must love MANU! Manu-the Achilles of Basketball
"I cry,but everyone will cry if I'm in the NBA"-Adam Morrison.I know now why fans cry when they see him on the floor.
like the new pic
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
At the end of the day, even if Manu is 1/8 in field goals, you want to have the ball in his hands at the end game.
Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan
Manu is super-clutch! Always the guy that I want to be holding the ball when the game is on the line. Never fails.
And what’s up with the old, washed up Tim Duncan? 28 pts 16 rebs 4 blocks. :)
The best PF forward to ever play the game. Period.
by bluesteelxvii on Dec 17, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
His shooting that poorly is a near gurantee of an excellent 4th Q. That the inbounds to him was stolen was a gurantee that he’d make the winning bucket or assist on the following possession. Turns out he made the winning play on both ends.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
This is a win for the ages. What a heart-pounding game?! I’m just happy that we won. It’s a whistle by the refs that could have gone the other way but I’m really glad that it went ours. What the hell is Charles Barkley talking about that the Spurs not being the best team in Texas and Houston is even better than them. They’re the best team in the league right now and it shows in the record. Don’t write them off just yet. F*ck that comment! Go! Spurs! Go!
The best PF forward to ever play the game. Period.
He didnt really say Houston is better…..did he ?
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
He did! Kenny asked him and he said yes that’s why Kenny was just shaking his head in disbelief. You can’t really count on what Barkley is saying. Sometimes he says good things but most of the time it doesn’t make sense.
The best PF forward to ever play the game. Period.
by bluesteelxvii on Dec 17, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
Cant wait to go watch the end of the game. The dream (79 and 3) lives on.
I am a bit worried that the Memphis game is a tarp. These two b2bs down to the wire have probably left our guys a bit spent.
understandable concern
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
don’t forget, the Memphis game is a THIGAFONI.
Remember what happened when the Spurs met the Slippers for a THIGAFONI? I don’t want to….
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yay! I’m quoted. /happy
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 7:39 AM CST reply actions
RichardCOliver: Other thought on Spurs-Nuggets: J.R. Smith’s dunk was spectacular. His showboating afterward less so.
Bowen12: @RichardCOliver what did you expect? That’s the culture there.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 8:46 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
+1 for Bowen!
Bonner with the nice box out!
by SpursfanSteve on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks Bruce Bowen. J.R. Smith is basically Jason Terry with dunks and less of a conscience.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
That’s what I was trying to get at above when posting about Neal trying to take the charge. I’d actually take his defensive effort — even though he wasn’t successful — over Smith’s dunk and showboating. (All “that” for what amounted to just three points… it didn’t even spark the Nuggets to put the game away. If anything, I think it made the Spurs more determined to grind it out.)
Teams and players that place more importance on highlight plays over playing ‘the right way’ deserve what they get…. air time on ESPN’s top 10 list and no rings.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Teams and players that place more importance on highlight plays over playing ‘the right way’ deserve what they get…. air time on ESPN’s top 10 list and no rings.
verra nize
Enjoying the trip to # 172 as much as humanly possible
by J.R. Wilco on Dec 20, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, I’m sitting here at work and watching that gif of Manu taking the charge, and his reaction just makes me shiver.
I am shivering with love.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
GOL – so true though, so true
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Takes some cojones grande to jump out in front of a bigger, charging NBA player with a full head of steam, doesn’t it? You’re right to shiver with Manu-love for his Manuever; even I (a straight guy) felt a tingle watching him sacrifice himself for the team.
And I’d bet anyone who calls him a flopper never took a charge like that.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
i spent a little time in the game thread criticizing a couple of terrible calls early. i never do that, but it was kind of ironic to me that the win was sealed on the referees whistle in our favor. the correct call – easily, but it was still ironic to me because referees rarely make that kind of call in that situation.
manu saved us twice in that game and three times in two days. he had a bad game all night and then found the will to fight thru. call it what you want, but that is heart of a champion stuff.
this business of shifting into gear in the 4th quuater is getting fun.
Ironic indeed, there were a number of missed fouls on the Nuggets and calls that went against the Spurs that should have gone the other way. But Reggie and the other TNT commentators were saying there was so much contact either a charge or a block had to be called (and I agree). I was holding my breath because the refs had not called a charge against the Nuggets last night until that play.
Thing about Manu is that he can have a bad night, or make a mistake, and then turn things around 180 degrees in a split second. That ‘easy’ basket courtesy of a sharp Hill pass in the fourth quarter really got him going.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
You’re dead on in everything that you’re saying, Tuna. I’m already so tired of hearing that the results in any way demand explanation, from EITHER fanbase. It’s a call that must be made in that situation, period. The real story here is that real NBA refs actually made the call- we’re all just so accustomed with this league at this point to seeing legitimate calls being ignored.
All of us are used to seeing calls go “one way,” and we’ve frequently been on the receiving end of these whistles. We all claim that we don’t want a referee determining the outcome of the game, and there’s no hypocrisy in now saying that we still feel that way. The call did NOT determine the outcome of this game, Carmelo’s violation DID. For an official to ignore that obvious call at that point would actually be to commit the very same transgression we don’t want to see- a whistle or lack thereof determining a victory.
It boils down to a player gaining a shot or point through unallowable means. Dwight Howard can pretty much jump 27 feet high. If we were playing in Orlando, and RJ threw up a floater at the buzzer that was on target to the hoop, and DHow skyed in to slap it out of the air after the shot’s apex… that would be goaltending, and it would be unfair to ignore it. If Denver was playing Boston, and Ty Lawson drove the lane and to lay it in at the buzzer, and shaq simply clotheslined him into the 2nd row… it would be egregious to ignore the violation. Ignoring it WOULD determine the game. In Manu’s example, there’s no objective or logical argument. As you said, he was planted and outside the circle- it was a textbook example of “taking a charge.”
The thuggets and their fans ought to be intellectually honest enough to recognize that 1.), they squandered the game to put themselves in that position; 2.) at that moment, Carmelo could have anticipated the charge and pulled up with the jumper as any other player with a BBIQ over 7 would have; and 3.) the game is OVER and done with.
Thanks for the points you made. And sorry, btw, that you’ve been drug into the drama over there.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 17, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks SiMA. You make a lot of good points about why refs need to make the call, right or wrong. I was glad to hear the TNT announcer applaud the refs for having the courage to make the call… too many times they don’t get that credit.
I think it’s natural for people to have opinions and then look for groups and information that validate those opinions. The whole political news apparatus is geared towards this, so why shouldn’t sports news be too? And I readily admit that Spurs fans are prone to this kind of bias as much as Nuggets fans are.
So I don’t expect a Nuggets fan who believes Manu is a flopper to listen to me if I were to explain otherwise any more than I would listen to him explain why ‘Melo is a great basketball player. I’ve already concluded that ‘Melo is a high-volume inefficient scorer and he’s already decided that Manu is a cheater. It’s pointless to even have those discussions.
Similarly, I can understand how a Nuggets fan might have decided that his team should have won, and when faced with the reality of the video showing that Manu was in position with feet planted outside the restricted area when ’Melo ran into him, that he might rationalize it away by saying that the refs should not have made a game-deciding call. Whatever anyone says is not going to convince that fan otherwise.
That’s OK. If it helps Nuggets fans get through the day or feel better about their team by complaining how Ginóbili cheated or the refs stole the game from them, I can live with it. It doesn’t affect my life, it doesn’t affect the Spurs, it only affects them (negatively imho, but that’s another matter and their business anyway). And it doesn’t change the fact that the Spurs get another victory this season and that we got to see some incredible end-of-game play from Manu.
Civility, though, is a different issue. Of course I’d look askance at an opposing fan who might have come to gloat here after the Spurs lost a tough game, but I trust that most here would give him or her the benefit of the doubt at first. And even with those who have come here and exhibited trollish characteristics are generally not met with curses & threats but with sarcasm and humor (mainly to point out what they’re doing so that they derive no pleasure for their ‘game’).
Regarding the drama over there, thanks, but you’re not responsible (and I actually like Coloradans, btw). I didn’t post anything myself over there, and my comment that WaveOcean reposted was out of context, so I have no interest in going there to set the record straight. As I wrote before, what would be the point and why should I care?
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody else annoyed with the way that TNT interviewer says “Man-oh”? How does M-A-N-U get pronounced “Man-oh”?
All these GIFs are breaking my browser.
by quincyscott on Dec 17, 2010 8:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
yeah, that was mistake on Sager – he knows how to pronounce MANU he just got his tongue tied in green
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
one other thing i forgot to mention. did anyone notice the spurs reaction to winning at the buzzer as opposed to that of nearly every other team (and i’m really thinking about the picture of the clown celtics that was posted the other day….you know the one with one dumb shit taking a bow and one acting like an airplane).
by bones on Dec 17, 2010 9:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
part of the reason that the Spurs have a certain type of fan – someone who appreciates class and self-respect
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
At the end of the night, it’s one game, not even a playoff one. One more blow on the proverbial ‘rock.’
I suspect the players are thrilled with the win but know they have a long road stretching ahead of them to go to where they want to be. And they also know they made plenty of mistakes that could have lost them the game, and Pop will be happy to roast the team over them over the next few days.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
sorry, I wanted that to read
roast the team over them in excruciating detail over the next few days.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
^This.
Consecutive nights the Spurs make a winning play and react with emotion, camraderie and confidence. But also class, as they’ve been there before. This at home and on the road. Meanwhile, Pierce and KG bow while Nate Robinson nearly injures himself.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Wow, I just read the Nuggets Blog overthere – besides one or two of them – they have no self-respect whatsoever – i guess it is true – often the fans are a reflection of the team – a simple juxtaposition here – class vs no class
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
I read an intro to anew poster. They actually said something to the affect of how the knuckle headed team is what brings many posters to their site. Mission accomplished.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
When they’re talking about a ‘knuckle-headed’ team are they talking about the Nuggets or themselves? ::rim shot::
Sorry, that was a cheap shot. Actually, if they’re saying that the Nuggets have some knuckle-headed players, they’re on the right track. That’s more intelligent than blaming the refs or claiming the Spurs cheated. There may be hope for them yet.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
We have roughly 46 days until the famous rodeo road trip (Feb 1). This is what we get to look forward to:
The rest of December features seven games with five at home. Six of the seven games are against tough opponents: MEM, PHX, DEN, ORL, LAL, & DAL. The ORL game is away and a SEGABABA. The last game of the month is also away at DAL. Those six teams currently combine for a 94-57 record. WAS offers us a wonderful trap game at home in between the ORL and LAL games.
January is when we start seeing the Spurs consistently hit the road. Eight of the fifteen January games are on the road and feature two sets of away BABAs with a H/A BABA split. So five of those eight away games are part of a BABA. The away opponents currently hold a combined 106-95 record. The current combined record of January opponents the Spurs will see at home is 84 – 70.
Although the Rodeo Road Trip (nine away games) doesn’t officially start until February 1st, the Spurs finish January with @NO, @GS, @UTH, and home against HOU. So basically the Spurs will play 1/13 games on the road in a span of one month.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions
I’m sure you mean 12/13 on the road…oh, and the ORL and DAL games are on TNT (hopefully national TV coverage doesn’t have such negative connotations this season;) GSG!!!!!
Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri
yeah, typo.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I did not notice alamobro’s 12/13 post on this. Check it out if you haven’t.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the reminder. How long do you think the Spurs’ ‘perfect’ record thus far against Eastern Conference foes will hold up? Will it survive the trip to Orlando?
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Orlando gets the win on 12/23…. It is an away game on the back end of a back-to-back (after a home game against a pissed off Denver team).
Plus its the third game in four nights.
I hate to say its a loss because anything is possible with Manu.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
second that
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Playing in the West, and specifically the Southwest means there will be many difficult stretches. Good thing that other teams frown when seeing the Spurs on their schedule.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
just read the Denver blog… wonder who writes those…
Their post game thread starts with “We was robbed!”… What the heck does that mean?
<++ If Dejuan Blair had ACLs, nobody would ever get a rebound ++>
Their recap says, “Let’s just call this a win…”
But seriously, I was in shock that the Refs even called that. Every call had been going against us for the last 2 minutes
by Jordan Leithart on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
they owed us one and waited until the final horn to give it to us. not that it wasn’t legit. it was the right call. you just dont see it made in that situation.
Other Blogs
Okay guys (and gals), just one comment about opposing blogs, and then I’ll let it be. Not all blogs are like PtR and not all fans are the same. The Nuggets had just lost a heartbreaker of a game – there was bound to be overreaction. Do I agree with their comments/assessment? No, but please remember that comments made in the heat of the moment in a game thread can make anyone look bad (me included). Let’s just take this as a lesson to avoid other blogs after bad losses, despite any good intentions. Thanks.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
by CapHill on Dec 17, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Cap, seems to me that it didn’t occur to most PtR’rs to even look at the opposing blog, until WaveOcean posted something from them warning us not to troll there. And apparently, he reposted some stuff from here over on their game threads and post-game thread.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Right on, I was never and still am in no way tempted to “check out what’s happening over there.” There’s already way too much content here for me to even have the time or energy to give a shit what any other fanbase thinks.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 17, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes I pop in another team’s blog when there’s something really controversial, fully aware that it’s not going to make me feel better AT ALL, but I never post.
by DrumsInTheDeep on Dec 17, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Just remember with the power of anonymity people say a lot of stuff online.
And at the same time fanbases tend to take on the qualities of their team, if you catch my drift.
I agree with this. I wasn’t trying to excuse the behavior of the people at Denver Stiffs, especially since the author of that thread seemed to be egging everyone on. I generally won’t even bother trying to argue with a Nuggets’ fan, since many of them don’t have the basketball savvy of the JV. However, it’s understandable that they would be sore after a last-second loss and I just wanted to make sure that none of our members were reflecting poorly on PtR.
Unfortunately, most of the drama was manufactured by a 3rd party, which quite frankly, perturbed me. It’s really a shame that my Nerf gun is in the shop. And now, I’d just prefer to put it all behind us.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Manu Ginobili.
I read this and all I picture is a bald skinny gentleman receiving his HOF Honors.
Thanks Manu!
by spursfan_needs_counseling on Dec 17, 2010 1:01 PM CST reply actions
Well boys & girls, last night was a HUGE test for us and…we PASSED. Soooooo….I know it’s early and all…but, this team has all the earmarkings of another …dare I say it…Championship Team!!!
you really want to say that? Before the playoffs even begin? Let’s get real… I love the way Pop’s Spurs 2.0 are playing, but there are a lot more taps on the rock to go….
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
yep yep – way too early but a nice start
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Dec 17, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Just seems that we’re hammering faster is all
by Jordan Leithart on Dec 17, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t know if you’d call it trolling, but I’ve left comments at Basketball Jones and Ball Don’t Lie expressing my disgust over their lazyass basketball “writing.”
To sum up an entire game by posting a clip of an ultimately meaningless J.R. Smith dunk accompanied by “analysis” consisting of the verbal equivalent of a grunted-out orgasm during drunk-sex with a stranger in a barroom toilet is either lazy or stupid. Either way, I’m fed up.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
by Lauri on Dec 17, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, that was crass. But technically there’s no cussing, so hey.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 17, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I’m of the school that believes that there is no such thing as a ‘bad’ orgasm, even a drunken one with a stranger in a bar’s bathroom… not that I have any personal experience of anything like that, lol!
But I agree that lazy basketball analysis is annoying, particularly by writers that think that highlight plays are more important to a game’s outcome than the way the teams played.
btw, if Basketball Jones is the equivalent of the aforementioned ‘quickie’ orgasm, wouldn’t PtR be the equivalent of an extended, multiple one? :D
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Judging by how classy and respectful we obviously are, I think we’re the equivalent of the self-pleasuring orgasm.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
Personally, I think you can be classy and respectful and still give someone other than yourself an orgasm. :)
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
1. Where did I say orgasms were bad?
2. Last I checked, PtR didn’t purport to provide league-wide coverage.
3. But the answer to your question is still no, because we don’t just post isolated clips of dunks over and over.
I could clarify my analogy, but I’m trying to think of the children. Let’s just say I would rather read Anaïs Nin than watch a video compilation of unrelated money shots.
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Ah, I think I understand your analogy now. I was on a different wavelength. In my analogy (metaphor), PtR is like an ESO. :)
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
btw, I loved your comment on the dunk over at BDL…. hilarious and accurate.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
hey, don’t diss the Jones.
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by sleep research facility on Dec 17, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Kelly Dwyer is I think the only semblance of decent writing they have over BDL (and that’s not saying much). The others are just aiming to please and trying very hard to be funny. Those are the things that sell these days.
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by silverandblack_davis on Dec 17, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t like Dwyer, or Kerby, and I’m coming to loathe Freeman. Wasn’t BDL a good read at one time?
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
It was, and they even had the Garbage Time All-Stars comic before that I loved. Now the comedy just seems really forced.
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by silverandblack_davis on Dec 17, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
jrw, debated about nominating this (perhaps a little racy for the SBNation ‘censors’?) but Quotesworthy, don’t you think?
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 20, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I agree on the three stars, with an honorable mention to the bench. They only scored 26 points but nearly half the rebounds, half the made 3s, and provided some energy on a SEGABABA in the mile high air. They also played better defense than the starters. Heck, even Quinn made a game competitive bucket.
Hat tip to the black & silver for their fourth win in past five tries in Denver (three by double digits). They hate our guys there. It’s a fuel that feeds the Spurs dominance in the Pepsi Can.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
There I was, watching my favorite team and getting more and more pissed. We weren’t getting any calls at all. Almost every 50/50 call went to the Nuggets. In particular, I hate when the select group of players in the NBA with special standing (LeBron, Kobe, Paul, Melo, Pierce and Wade) decide that they are just going to run into people to force calls. It happened 4-5 times last night with every call going against the Spurs, well almost every call :).
With 4.2 seconds left, my wife asked me what I thought was going to happen. I said “Simple, if they can get the ball to Carmelo, he will run straight at the basket and find somebody to run into. He will get a call and shoot free throws for the win”. I was hoping that he would miss 1/2 so we could have overtime. Then we got the call from not 1, but 2 refs. Unexpected to say the least.
Ironically, if Melo had gotten a charge earlier in the game, it would be likely that he would have pulled up for an easy 6 footer for the win. One more thing, with 4 Spurs running at him, he could have easily passed to the wide open Nugget under the rim for a layup. I guess that the Spurs, like everyone else, knew that nothing was going to keep him from shooting.
I guess that the Spurs, like everyone else, knew that nothing was going to keep him from shooting.
Yes. Because making the highlight play himself is more important to ’Melo in that situation than making the smart basketball play.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else think the reason Manu had that awesome smile was due to the play not actually being for him to shoot? I think the design was a new way to do his drive under the basket and kick to corner (think Brent Barry vs Sac, 2006 playoffs). RJ was there waiting but a defender took away the passing lane and our spacing was a bit screwed up with TD and TP up above the 3-pt line. Manu had no one to pass to so, what the heck, spin in a game winner. His expression was priceless. His fist pump a few minutes later was ferocious. A man of many qualities.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
The more times you watch that shot, the more you realize how incredibly difficult it was to make. Slow-mo usually makes things look easier than they are but in this case you keep wondering the whole time how the hell that ball went in.
I did a lot of soul searching. I didn't find anything.
Duncan was so stunned, he forgot to move toward the basket in case the shot spun off the rim (as he admitted in the post-game interview).
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder sometimes whether Manu himself is amazed at the things he does. That smile made me wonder about that again.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
May I also add, again, how much I love Pop. His reaction to this finish, in public at least, as he looked over at Karl was so “what the hell ya gonna do?” He knows these kinds of games are 50/50 crap shoots and you can’t let one regular season game define you.
If Melo wisely pulls up and hits a jumper, Pop would tip his cap to Karl and the Nuggs for opening the gift wrapped game given away by the Spurs in the final minute. If it misses, Pop is grateful that Manu’s shot saves a near giveaway. But that ending, correct as it was, was unique and likely a first even for Pop. Angry as Karl was, with some time to relfect even he understands the call was correct, crazily unique, and a play made by Manu that he wishes his team would have the smarts and effort to make.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
by SpurredOn on Dec 17, 2010 6:48 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
well put. rec’d.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
as it was, Karl was fined for his post-game comments about the officiating. GOL
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 20, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
half time during the suns/mavs game, league pass shows their highlight show thingy. i didn’t catch what the countdown was, but i suspect it was top 5 plays of the previous night.
number 2? jr smith’s dunk.
number 1? the fumble/bad pass leading to melo’s bucket that gave the nuggets the lead.
really? not manu’s eventual game winner? or taking the charge? i’ll pay the dunk – good defensive effort by hammertime and all, but it was a fucking impressive dunk. but the fumble and bucket? fuck that noise.
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by sleep research facility on Dec 17, 2010 10:02 PM CST reply actions
Why am I not surprised…
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
I was perusing the ESPN stats page. This season is ridiculous for win streaks.
Boston 12 wins
Miami 11 wins
San Antonio 7 wins
Chicago 7.
Then theres the knicks who had their 10 game win steak snapped recently, and also the Mavs who had their 12 game win streak broken.
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
Somebody else had a 12 game streak, the first of the season, but it escapes me who.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 17, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
You’re kidding, right? You really don’t remember? (Hint: Just below the Spurs in the division standings)
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I try not to think of those guys as much as possible. It’s hard living in this area. :)
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I know the Spurs had a 12-game streak — but for that THIGAFONI in LA, it could have been 13 or more.
I just didn’t read alamobro’s comment closely enough… saw San Antonio on it and assumed it had the Spurs’ 12-game-streak on it. Since it doesn’t have Dallas’ on it either (or the other LA team’s 8-game-streak), I’m thinking the ESPN list he was looking at was for current win-streaks.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Someone — I think it was Charles — was saying something to the effect that it’s ridiculous, because it means that there are a few good teams and a bunch of terrible ones. So much for parity, in other words.
That may be true, but it also could be the nature of the schedules. San Antonio has played some teams twice (or more) and others not at all. That may be true of some of the other teams with long win streaks.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
To me, top 3/5/10 highlights segments are as relevant to real basketball games and teams as pundits’ PowerRanking and “Best xxx” lists. They’re one person’s or one organization’s opinion about what’s the most exciting play, who’s the best player or team, etc. and they really don’t matter when it comes to tip-off time… the players will determine who’s best on the floor.
And as I said elsewhere, players and teams that pay more attention to highlight plays and less to playing basketball well will get what they deserve…. lots of airtime on ESPN and YouTube, but no rings.
When access to sports programming was limited to ESPN and the other sports broadcasters, yeah, I could understand somewhat that most basketball fans only got to see highlight plays most of the time, so perhaps the focus on highlights made sense. But with the Internet and NBA TV, access is only a computer and high-speed connection away. There’s no reason ─ other than a lack of time or interest ─ for a fan to limit him- or herself to watching highlights instead of complete games.
Anyway, I’m OK that some producer picked different plays than I would have for the League Pass highlights… because I got to watch the game. :)
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
thats all true…but would anyone (other than nuggets fans, and even then i don’t think they would) think that fumbled pass/melo layup was THE highlight, not just of our game, but the ENTIRE night? ignoring the fact the ultimately it didn’t win them the game, the play itself was the complete opposite of a highlight – a fumble and then a layup/drop-in (which is about what melo did). jr smith’s dunk was a highlight. that play was not.
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by sleep research facility on Dec 18, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
You make good points. I guess if I cared about the quality of the selections made (which I might, if I had no access to watch the game itself), it would matter more to me. But the way I figure it, it’s no skin off my nose if NBA TV or ESPN or anyone else makes themselves look silly (to me) by choosing plays that I never would consider. After all, it’s their opinion… and it can also be kinda amusing.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
I just noticed this post by a Nuggets fan, and would be remiss for failing to acknowledge a very classy and mature take on the ’Melo charge. Basically, he agrees that it was a charge and that the Nuggets have only themselves to blame for the loss.
He further makes the interesting observation that Bavetta, who comes from the ‘let the players play’ era, didn’t blow his whistle, but his ‘younger’ colleagues, who became refs in the ‘get every call right’ era, both did.
Anyway, it was refreshing to hear a reasonable and honest voice from Denver on this. We shouldn’t paint all Nuggets fans with the same brush.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 PM CST reply actions
We shouldn’t paint all Nuggets fans with the same brush.
::covers ears and starts singing::
LALALALALA I don’t hear you…
Lauri: thank goodness I have you magnificent bastards to waste [the offseason] with.
GOL
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously though, I read thru some of the comments over at DS after they calmed down. There were more posts saying that it was a charge than I expected (though not all were from Nuggets fans), and even a few who said that their team made mistakes and that it shouldn’t have come down to a last-second shot. One even said that Pop outcoached Karl.
Of course, the vast majority of them still were still mad at Manu, the refs, Spurs and Spurs fans in general…. anyone except ’Melo and the Nuggets.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Pop outcoached Karl.
And again in other parallel news, water is wet.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That never stops being funny. GOL
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, a SEGABABA is the second game of a back-to-back. There’s a corresponding FIGABABA as well.
Most PtR-specific jargon and acronyms can be found in The Lexicon. It explains why we sometimes say Tony is an otstanding poing guard or call Timmy the GOAT-PUFF and Manu amazine…. and a whole lot more.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, you type fast.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
SEcond GAme of a BAck to BAck.
It’s tough to keep up with the nerdspeak sometimes around here. Try the LEXICON, it sometimes helps a little. Be careful though, because simply opening and reading a bit of the LEXICON guarantees that you’ll miss about 6 new posts on the Front Page.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Dec 18, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
SiMA speaks the truth. It is soooo true that The Lexicon can be a huge time sink. I’d recommend saving it for a day on which the Spurs aren’t playing.
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
Congratz, Tim! Your recap made Tim Griffin’s weekly roundup of Spurs blog posts!
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by freshtunarightofftheboat on Dec 18, 2010 5:52 PM CST reply actions

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