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Game #4 Preview: Spurs @ Suns

That game on Monday night was fun, wasn't it?  Good - it's always nice when your team wins easily.  Now, I want you to do something for me:  erase it from your mind.  We were playing the Clippers - that's all there is to it.  The Clips were the worst offensive team in the league coming into that game, and now they aren't.  Get the picture?

Now, it's on to Phoenix and the latest chapter in the age old story of sibling rivalry.  Big brother constantly beats up on little brother, over and over and over again, and little brother keeps getting more and more frustrated.  But eventually, little brother's going to find big brother's weakness, and when he does, he will show no mercy, mainly because of all that built up anger and aggression.  Such is the case with these two teams.  Little brother kicked our butts last year, no doubt about it.

Demons cast out, monkey off shoulder, finally out from under big brother's shadow, little brother went on to lose to the Lakers(as most all teams are wont to do these last couple of years) in the conference finals.  But big brother is still smarting from that sucker punch 6 months almost 6 months ago, and there's a score to settle.  Too bad big brother didn't learn anything.

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Call me a cynic, but Phoenix was probably the worst possible matchup for our boys in silver and black last season.  Our defense is was terrible against [A] midrange jump shooting, and [B] the pick-and-roll.  And who should we match up against in the second round?  The best offensive team in the league came in with their excellent jumpshooters and devastating pick-and-roll play, and generally vented their anger at losing 4 straight playoff series to us by stomping all over us on their way to LA.  You're welcome for the practice games, Phoenix.

Sadly, those two issues above weren't really addressed in the offseason.  A certain tall Brazilian should help with the pick-and-rolls once he gets settled in(he was doing a great job the other night in limutes), but the jumpshooters are still absolutely destroying us.  (JASON FREAKING SMITH?!?  RYAN FREAKING GOMES?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?)  

With that in mind, I don't hold out much hope for tonight, other than the fact that this game doesn't carry nearly as much meaning to our opponent as it would have before last season.  My hope for tonight lies in the Spurs' newly acquired firepower.  Yes, I'm actually hoping for the Spurs to out-gun the Suns.  Foolhardy as it may be, it's still my hope.  The defense definitely isn't good enough yet, though it's already improved since the first game of the season.

Enough rambling - let's get on with the preview!


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San Antonio SpursPhoenix Suns
Where: US Airways Center, Phoenix

When: 11/03/2010, 9:00 Spurs Time
Watch: FSSW, FSAZ


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By the Numbers

Data source: basketball-reference.com

Category Stat Rank
Offensive Efficiency 106.2 14th
Defensive Efficiency 101.8 7th
Defensive Rebound Rate
80% 2nd
Offensive Rebound Rate 22.3% 26th
Field Goal Percentage 45.7% 10th
3-Point FG Percentage 35.8% 17th
Free Throw Percentage
81.9% 6th
Turnover Percentage
14.2% 15th
Category Stat Rank
Offensive Efficiency 109.4 7th
Defensive Efficiency 111.5 27th
Defensive Rebound Rate
65.6 30th
Offensive Rebound Rate 24.8% 18th
Field Goal Percentage 47.4% 7th
3-Point FG Percentage 40.6% 6th
Free Throw Percentage
73.0% 19th
Turnover Percentage 13.8% 12th
Record Wins Losses
Overall 2 1
Conference 1 1
Division 0 1
Home 1 1
Away 1 0
     
Position Conference Division
Record T-5th T-2nd
Lineups

Starters
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobili
SF: Richard Jefferson
PF: DeJuan Blair
C: Tim Duncan

Key Bench Players
Gary Neal
Tiago Splitter
James Anderson

Record Wins Losses
Overall 1 2
Conference 1 2
Division 0 1
Home 0 1
Away 1 1
     
Position Conference Division
Record T-11th 4th
Lineups

Starters
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Grant Hill
PF: Hedo Turkoglu
C: Robin Lopez

Key Bench Players
Josh Childress
Jared Dudley
Goran Dragic

 

Matchup Analysis

 

Point Guard
  Shooting Guard
Small Forward  
Power Forward
Center
Bench  
Coach  
Intangibles

Mojo

Winner

Starters

PG:  This really isn't anything against the 50-million dollar man, but Tony is not even in Steve Nash's ZIP code as far as leading the team goes.  Basically, it's because he doesn't have to, but Nash does.

SG:  Manu vs. Richardson?  Pffft.  Manu is easily the better player.  Just don't leave J-Rich open for three, please.  We don't need him going all Gary Neal on us.

SF:  What a difference a season makes.  Renaissance Man RJ has been very impressive so far this year.  Hill is a crafty vet, but RJ continues his inspired, aggressive play tonight, he should win this matchup easily, even if the Suns switch Hill and Turkoglu on defense.  Childress, on the other hand, he might have trouble with.

PF:  I'm pretty worried about this one.  This should be the perfect opportunity for Blair to dominate the way he has not so far this season.  On the other hand, I shudder at the thought of him "guarding" Turkey Glue.  I'm feeling a big night for both of these guys, but the skinny Turk could easily get the better of us.

C:  Lopez is a solid young center.  Not quite as good as his brother, and not close to Timmy's level, but solid.  It'll be interesting to see his career develop, but healthy, early-season Timmy absolutely gets the nod.

Bench

Tiago had a pretty decent debut the other night, but let's hope for more than "decent" tonight.  Against the Suns' inferior frontcourt, he should have an easier go of it.  Then again, we were playing the Clippers in his debut.  Yikes.  Channing Frye needs to be shadowed at all times, as does Dudley.  Those guys freaking destroyed us last year, and they're not getting any worse at what they do.

Coaching

Gentry's a really good coach.  But really, he hasn't reached Pop's "cranky old man that everyone still loves" level yet.

Intangibles

Holy undersized frontcourt, batman!  We should be able to dominate inside, but that's what I was hoping for in the playoffs last year.  I'll tentatively give us the nod.

Mojo

The fans are going to get behind this team, and after the shelling Phoenix gave us last year, their confidence has to be super high coming into this game.

Prediction

I don't feel good about this.  Hopeful, but not expecting anything.

Other Reading

Spurs

48 Minutes of Hell - Our Spurs-blogging buddies are at it again, and they're cranking out the stories pretty quickly this year.  Kudos to them for not missing a beat.
Project Spurs - PS has really stepped up to the plate this year.  They're still doing the podcasts, but have added some new features as well, like "stat of the game", which I enjoyed reading, and a bunch more writers.

Suns

Bright Side of the Sun(SBNation) - These guys hate us, or at least they used to.  The staff does a great job, and I'm not just saying that because Seth has SBN superpowers.  Go check it out, but play nice - we don't want to repeat any of the trolling that happened prior to that playoff series last year.
Valley of the Suns - 48MoH's Suns equivalent.  But, is anything really equal to 48MoH?

Following Along

TV 

Fox Sports Southwest; Fox Sports Arizona; NBA League Pass

Radio

WOAI 1200AM; Audio League Pass[streaming]

Online

As always, NBA league pass is recommended for those who are willing to pony up the cash.  Almost every Spurs game will be broadcast there, which is especially helpful for those of us who aren't in the San Antonio area.

Please don't post links to illegal game feeds in the game thread. Links to illegal feeds are not permitted on SBNation, but you can probably find them out there on the internets if you're resourceful and desperate. You can also shoot an email to poundingtherockmail@yahoo.com(IMPORTANT:  Please include your PtR username in the email for reference) for further assistance.

Poll
Who will lead the Spurs in scoring tonight?
Manu Ginobili
124 votes
Tony Parker
88 votes
Richard Jefferson
101 votes
Tim Duncan
47 votes
Other(explain yourself in the comments)
8 votes

368 votes | Poll has closed

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woohoo!!! Go Spurs! I’ll be using my vuvuzela to cheer while watching the game on the interwebs (though this might seem a crazy idea).

I believe Josh Childress is questionable for the game as he has a right index finger injury.

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Nov 3, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

whats the game time in Manila?

by sparking!!! on Nov 3, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 am bro

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Nov 3, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This will be on BTV! One of the very few Spurs games.

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hallelujah!

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Nov 3, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome! I will definitely watch the replay.

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys in Manila? I will be having a conference call at 10am your time with my team in Manila so I will miss half the game :(

by fado on Nov 3, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes we are. Sweet! What part of the world are you from?

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m in San Antonio. we have developement (IT) team in Manila, I talk to them everynight/your morning

by fado on Nov 3, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool. Yeah, Manila is a pretty good BPO place :)

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. I’m in Laguna, a good two-hour ride from the capital.

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think TD21’s in Cavite or someplace outside of Manila as well.

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 3, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Make that Laguna as well, Davis. About two-and-a-half hours south of Metro Manila.

by TD21 on Nov 6, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh…i don’t have cable. I’ll stick to mah feed.

by sparking!!! on Nov 3, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t feel good about this. Hopeful, but not expecting anything.

I feel way too good about this, maybe more than I should….Revenge is our fuel – (All-Refurb) Rage, Tiago, Neal and Anderson are huge upgrades from last year…

by spursfan_needs_counseling on Nov 3, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice preview, Tim.
I voted for RJ. I am also expecting a good game from Blair.

Go, Spurs, Go!

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Fuck it, Spurs by 30

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Fuck it, Spurs by a Neal buzzer beater.

"Rip it and grip it!" -Kevin Costner

by The Augustus on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neal, yes!

"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Nov 3, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get’em (Curly)!!!

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by In the 666 on Nov 3, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, you guys are all here pretty early.

::yawn::

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s 9:44 pm here and I just…. want…. to…. :yawn:… zzzzzzzz….

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a class to go to. Otherwise, “rest” assured, I would be in bed.

"Rip it and grip it!" -Kevin Costner

by The Augustus on Nov 3, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great preview, Tim – loved this: “the way je jas not”:) I’m with you in the hope department (81-1, baby!!!)…but those who don’t expect anything don’t get disappointed! GSG!!!

Honestly. You kids today, with your hippity-hop music and your Twiddle. - Lauri

by p2cat on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Just practicing for when I move to Mexico. Either that, or proofreading was a giant failure.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is no r in poof

by indiancharlie on Nov 3, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Voted for RJ. There’s a chance I make it to the game thread. Still, it’s 4am then… Maybe the second half.

The Eurbro - By Tim C.

by Bakkie009 on Nov 3, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I voted for Tony, but it will likely be whoever Nash’s defensive assignment is.

by Alamo on Nov 3, 2010 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

So far, I’m the only one who picked “other”. I’m thinking Blair goes off. I’m assuming they put Lopez on Duncan…so who is left to guard Blair? Turkoglu? Dudley? Grant Hill?

Blair will have a field day with any of those. Granted, he probably wouldnt fair too well on the other end, but if one of them is guarding him he’s going to go off.

Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis

by SpursfanSteve on Nov 3, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

so who is left to guard Blair?

Bottom of the rim.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Nov 3, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Childress, maybe?

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I forgot, they have that Frye guy. That would be a matchup nightmare for Blair (and pretty much any of our other bigs), having to defend Channing behind the arc.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiago should be used to defending shooting bigs, but he probably isn’t fully conditioned yet.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Nov 3, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems like when Blair and Tim are in the game together, Tim keeps more outside. If I were Phoenix I might put Turkoglu on Tim and Lopez on Blair. Lopez could give Blair plenty of room to try an outside shot while keeping an eye on anyone trying to move inside.

by Alamo on Nov 3, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, Timmy seems to be settling for an outside position when playing with DeBeast.

But if Phoenix does put Lopez on Duncan, wouldn’t it make sense for the Spurs to start calling plays that put Timmy in the low post and run the offense through him? For all the worries that he doesn’t draw double-teams as often anymore, I suspect that Duncan vs. Turkey-Glue in the painted area might be a situation in which Phoenix would have to bring in help defenders, which would open things up for our sharpshooters.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeBeast really is due for a breakout game this regular season. I hope it happens tonight.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s a good chance that I get to attend this game and share my thoughts/observations with you guys after. Nothing official yet, but I just wanted to give my thanks in advance to the Spurs and Suns organizations, as well as jrw and even Wayne(I think).

Also, if alamobro is reading this – check your email.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Cool, glad you may be able to attend the game! ….Even if two organizatrions had to work toguether for that to happen!!!

by spursfan_needs_counseling on Nov 3, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just checked email, feel free to reply or txt.

[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]

"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said

by alamobro on Nov 3, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Replied. Send me a text, so that I have your number again. I’ll let you know as soon as I find out for sure.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

done

[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]

"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said

by alamobro on Nov 3, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alamobro, are you going to the game as well? You bastards…j/k, enjoy! If the Spurs lose, Tim is no longer allowed within 100 miles of the Spurs!

I wish I could have made it but a bit difficult with wedding being less than a month away!

by xman130 on Nov 3, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Spurs lose, Tim is no longer allowed within 100 miles of the Spurs!

Yeah, I don’t have the best record with away games. I’ll give ya that.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could have made it but a bit difficult with wedding being less than a month away!

Wow, that’s great! Congrats man!!

Although you should get your priorities straight.

The Eurbro - By Tim C.

by Bakkie009 on Nov 3, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

She’s a Spurs fan, so after the wedding we’ll be hitting up games in SA. Probably after the 1st of the year when we get back from our honeymoon…and thank you!!

by xman130 on Nov 3, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’d be awesome.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill may miss this game. Understandable considering the cheap shot he took the other night.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Aggro 2

"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html

by Joe deLarios on Nov 3, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

:’(

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I gave massages to guys, I mighta driven down to Santa Monica to loosen George’s right trapezius muscle so he could play tonight. Probably just as well that he take the time to recover properly, though.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's official

He is out tonight

While complacency costs, perseverance pays

by B.diddy on Nov 3, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good opportunity for Temple

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great opportunity. Since Phoenix is smaller, it gives him a great chance.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Temple of the Dragon Slayer?

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes sir. He’s longer than Hill and I haven’t seen him have as many issues with the P&R as Hill (albeit a smaller sample size). Pop would baffle my mind if he doesn’t get Temple out there since there should be more opportunities to go 3 guard lineups.or something like Neal/Temple/Anderson.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What? Not cool that he still has spasms. Maybe suffering is not an option here. I was all for Flexiril or Vicodin or both with some sports rub rubbed deeply for the past two days and he’d be set to play today…not being incensitive. Just suggesting goods by health and by team :)

by cojones2thewall on Nov 3, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I too voted for Rage, considering his recent surge as the new member of “the big 4”. he’s got Grant Hill’s number tonight, for sure. Also, I predict Tiago has a good night tonight, keeping ol’ Steve out of the paint. GO SPURS GOOOOO!!!!!

by Michael Chavez on Nov 3, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Given the Suns minimal defense I think our shooters will have a chance to go off so Im going with Neal for 24.

by Spurlady on Nov 3, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

A ‘minimal’ defense by the Suns is, in the Gentry era, no longer a given, unfortunately.

But you may be right, Neal (and maybe Anderson) may catch them off-guard, since they haven’t played against them yet.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sagging off RJ like they did in the playoffs would probably be a mistake as well. He is feelin’ it this season.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. Phoenix is one of the teams against which I was thinking/hoping that RJ 2.0 would be a matchup nightmare for…. as good as G.Hill is (and he has been focusing more on defense lately), I suspect an aggressive performance by RJ could wear Grant out.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nash can’t keep up with Parker. Think Tony will get over 30pts tonight?

by set_aside on Nov 3, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Tony should get a decent point total

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Nov 3, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You gave the Spurs Bench the upperhand?

are you high? I agree with the rest but come on…

by Gildo on Nov 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Without Hill, it’s questionable… but the Spurs have some really good shooters coming off the bench this year, unlike last. We won our last game by going to the bench.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is true but I agree with Gildo. The Suns bench is like a complete team. Not many teams can play all bench guys at one time and manage to keep/gain a lead. Although we did win last game with our bench, It’s the Clippers so that argument isn’t that strong.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Nov 3, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tim, great writeup, but how can you say big brother didn’t learn anything from last year’s ass-whoopin’?

  • The Spurs picked up sharpshooters that are, thus far in the season, doing the job we’d hoped they’d do.
  • RJ’s defensive activity has impressed me (almost as much as his offense and overall ‘getting it’), Hill (if he suits up) will bring his defense even if (maybe especially if) his shots aren’t falling (but let’s not play him on Nash just yet), Neal doesn’t seem to be the defensive liability we had feared he might be, and Anderson looks like he has defensive dedication. And I think Simmons and/or Temple could be called upon to guard the Suns’ mid-range shooters if the rotation players fail to do the job.
  • This may be a good game to give Splitter more than limutes, even if it’s only to see how good his PnR defense really is. I’d want him to come in first against when Dragic is playing PG, but would want to see him also when Nash is working his magic.

A major reason why Phoenix swept us last season – more than their mid-range jumpers and PnR, imho – is that their second unit flat out-played ours, and sometimes our starters too. Even though they added Childress, I like the way our bench has been playing thus far, and agree with you that we have the advantage going into tonight.

Let’s see how it all plays out.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Forgot to mention, yeah I agree with you that it’s scary that Clips scored at will against us in the first quarter last game… D was much better in the 2nd half, however.

I think Phoenix made a mistake in not re-signing Amundson (who played well against us in the playoffs) and may yet regret that decision.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

BSoTS was NOT happy about letting amundson walk. an improved RJ could be a problem but they do have a lot of defensive looks they can through at him.

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The nice thing is that Spurs have more athletic guys so if RJ’s getting the attention, someone else can do something. That definitely couldn’t be done last post season. Having said that, Hill is likely out though.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Spurs will miss hill in this one.

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is one of Temple’s big opportunities (if provided by Pop) I think since he is a taller version of Hill.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you guys are ready for the dominant interior presence that is Hedo Turkoglu.

He’s going to shut down Tim Duncan and DeJuan Blair. He may even grab a rebound or two.

Real talk.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 3, 2010 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

dominant interior presence that is Hedo Turkoglu.

What are you smokin’? And can I have some?! lol

Also, please refrain from using the title line (the box immediately below “Post A Reply”). We don’t do that here. :)

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

as a Spurs fan, I am worried! Hedo Turkaglu, why does that name sound familiair? Oh, wait, didn’t we get of him? Yeah, that’s right. Phoenix picked up our garbage and is trying to utilize him as a star. Good luck with that!

"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"

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by Joe deLarios on Nov 3, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep – prob.only in a contract year we may like him back….

by spursfan_needs_counseling on Nov 3, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

public service message to spurs fans: that was a joke.

Hedo has been a non-factor in our line up so far …the suns haven’t figured out how to use him yet and he hasn’t figured out how to be a sun. And when he said " may even grab a rebound or two" he’s not kidding…

I actually think you’ve got a good chance of taking this one..the suns are just not firing on all cylinders right now.

by Fritzy on Nov 3, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Nash isn’t certain if the Suns even have cylinders right now. lol

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys should check your sarcasmometers.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I need to work on my e-sarcasm

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 3, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It wasn’t lost on all of us. :)

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I quess it was so sarcastic that you made it to the other side, I mean to the “hopeless troller suns fan looking for some reaction” – side.

by spursfan_needs_counseling on Nov 3, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for not using the title box. :)

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 3, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why? I really think it’s better when someone falls for it. :)

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wish I could be as confident as Tim. Hedo isn’t working well so far (although he’s putting in effort) we let pony boy amundson go to get clark minutes and he just looks lost before he jacks up a long contested 2. I missed the laker game but fropez looks like he’s trying too hard in the wake of apostrophes departure. but I’m hopeing fropez settle down and plays his game tonight he’s not gonna shut timmy down. he just has to make him work and not foul out. I’m really curios to see the almighty splitter in action fropez is really the only player we have that plays big so a timmy splitter combo could be tough. as usaull nash is nash and I bring a message from his back up
 no matter what I’m really excited to be going to this one

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

are you going tonight?

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup…cool story, my girlfriend got tickets a month ago as a suprize and just told me yesterday by posting the ‘I kicked a spur’ youtube on my face book telling me we have date for tonight. I’m a lucky man

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweet. I hope the Spurs ruin your date, lol.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you would

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Real love survives an early season loss.

Basically voted most normal person on PtR.

by Queness on Nov 3, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even with Sparky George out, this should be a good game of where we are. Our bench is better than last season so we’ll see how we match up now. Splits needs to dominate Lopez. We need a Dominator.

by indiancharlie on Nov 3, 2010 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I would say that the Spurs should have a better chance at least staying up with the team. Even though Georgie won’t be around, the Spurs still have more athletic guys who could play than they did last year. And they seem to be shooting pretty well so far. Those are two pluses that didn’t exist last post season. Hill likely being out hurts, but Hill also has been struggling and didn’t exactly have a great series with Nash or Dragic.

Neal or Hill will likely see those duties.

Oh and a healthy Manu and Parker. Manu was never the same after the nose and Parker fell on his shoulder and wasn’t the same in the Phoenix series and was a little rusty with the time off.

That said, it’ll likely be a very close game decided in the last 2-3 minutes.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

suns spurs games have a tendencies to do that…good thing RMJ is gone

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

…good thing RMJ is gone

I couldn’t agree more :). Even with his late game heroics during the ‘08-’09 season I’d rather have a more consistent shooter like Neal has been so far.

by slipstream21 on Nov 3, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahh.. such a good thing.

:)

by day_late_friend on Nov 3, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

did Popp say how many mins Splitter is playing tonight?

I know vs the clips it was 5 mins in the first half and 5 mins in the second half…

by FreshmakerDTM on Nov 3, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

probably similar amount with maybe a few more minutes depending on if Blair can stay out of foul trouble (so he can sit TD and Dice more). Oh and how much small ball he decides to do with Simmons.

by grego21 on Nov 3, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

was there a specific reason mason jr wasn’t resigned? I still have nightmares from his buzzer beater three on my usually so chipper and happy day of Christmas, so thanks for ruining it… he seemed like a legit shooter off the bench, and I somehow missed that he wasn’t on the roster this year…

sorry for using the subject line in my first post:)

by Gildo on Nov 3, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

He was a sharpshooter in his first year here, and also in the two first months of last year.

After that:

The Eurbro - By Tim C.

by Bakkie009 on Nov 3, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

ya i noticed that guy just walked right up to the and swan dived off it

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s OK, Neal and Anderson are our new shooters. They’re better.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

on both ends of the floor.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 4, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

conspicuously missing from the match up confersations

this guy

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

He’s pretty good. I guess the wounds are still fresh from last year, since I concentrated on the guys who hurt us in the PO’s.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still feel like Amundson would’ve been better to have, monster jam or no (Steve Nash could’ve set that up for most anyone).

by slipstream21 on Nov 3, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trust me we miss him

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m getting pumped about this game. I know, it’s a little early to get pumped, but still. It’s only our second game against anybody decent, and the Spurs and Suns will both know a little more about their teams after tonight. There ought to be a bunch of tension and competitive play tonight.

by greyberger on Nov 3, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too, this game will be be a good barometer for both teams from the PHX side I want to see if they figured anything out after getting outscored 18 to 1 in the last 5 minutes of the portland game and after all the splitter talk and euro highlights I’d like to get a good look at him.

"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash

by 2NASHTY on Nov 3, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the suns having a plethora of small forwards, some of whom (Dudley/Hill) arent horribly bad at defense, I’d love to see Gee get some minutes. I’d be shocked if he did, but i would like to see how he does against them and also Turkoglu.

Lets face it. Tonight, we are going to play small ball. I think those are the sets Gee is most effective in right now. If there was ever a time for Blair at the 5, it is going to be tonight. In my small ball-bench (emphasis on bench) dreamworld, I’d go Blair, RJ, Gee, Anderson, Temple.

Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis

by SpursfanSteve on Nov 3, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that line-up would get run off the court.

by Chedda(r) on Nov 3, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

against starters? Absolutely. Against bench guys? I’m not sure. Certainly Blair could hold his own against backup bigs. I know RJ at the 4 brings up nightmares from last season, and I’m not suggesting we start playing him there right now, but in this lineup positions dont really matter at all. It’s just matchup and go. Motion offense with lots of screens, everyone but Blair being able to pick and roll or pick and pop. Might sub Hill in for Temple. That was a tough call.

Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis

by SpursfanSteve on Nov 3, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blair isnt holding his own against anyone right now, RJ does look improved so far, Gee cant even crack the line-up in exhibition games, Anderson is benifiting from being on the floor with Manu and Tim, thus giving him wide open shots at the basket. Temple has looked worse than Blair even if it is in spot up minutes. I think either manu or Tony would have to be at the point for this to work.

by Chedda(r) on Nov 3, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think Temple has looked bad. And Blair hasnt gone against any backups this season. If you judge him just by his play last season, he’d dominate anyone the suns have on their bench this year. Anderson has played as much with Neal as he has Manu and Tim.

Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis

by SpursfanSteve on Nov 3, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs are 28th in offensive rebounds? yikes! good thing we’re better shooters otherwise we don’t have much of second chances

by fado on Nov 3, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Suns are 30th in defensive rebounds – something’s gotta give.

by Tim C. on Nov 3, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hah

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

They might improve that this games since Phoenix is 30th in defensive rebounding rate.

by Alamo on Nov 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will miss the first quarter tonight. I may catch some of it on the radio since I finish judo somewhere between 9-9:15.

Blair is supposedly dating Ashley Logan. Might explain why he is, uh, a little off kilter.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Nov 3, 2010 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

This may show my age, but who is Ashley Logan?

by Spurlady on Nov 3, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

A model. Google the name. I can’t really link anything without getting in trouble.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Nov 3, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

she aight but not all that. She gotta a lil something to work with though

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don’t blame him

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Please god, no.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Nov 3, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

“While the second-year bigman for the Spurs may be off to a slow start on the court this season, it appears as if his off-court life is heating up.”

Got this from the San Antonio dispatch.

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Nov 3, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOL

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 3, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Judo? You’s a bad mofo.

Note to self; DO NOT mess with Hirschof.

I never take the high road, but I tell other people to, that way there is more room for me on the low road.

by SinCitySpur on Nov 3, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by gunnin' gervin on Nov 3, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good evening, y’all!

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by Trey Felder on Nov 3, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

no game thread?

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Nov 3, 2010 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

GAME THREAD GAME THREAD GAME THREAD

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