Game 12 Recap: The Best Argentine and the Best Brazilian. Are we the Spurs or FC Barcelona?
It's incredibly late and I have plenty of work to do tomorrow. I will say Mr. Gibson wasn't the only Boobie I saw tonight and that I'm positive Tony isn't my favorite French person on Earth.
Here's Lionel Messi destroying Arsenal in the Champions League, with bonus Turkish commentary!
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So that makes an even ten in a row for our lads, including a spotless 4-0 in both ends of back-to-backs (just 15 more of those to go!). How much further is this run going to go before we all recalibrate our already high expectations? Have some of us done so already?
Going into the year, my expectations were definitely higher than most everyone's. I saw a Spurs team that, on paper, had the necessary ingredients to be a third seed, and one that could make the Western Conference Finals if everything broke right for them and they avoided injury to any of the key participants. I didn't completely rule out the possibility of them upsetting the Lakers and reaching the Finals, but I did recognize that such a thing would be an upset, any way you slice it.
I still feel that way, for the most part. But now I don't see why we can't be a two seed at the least. Oklahoma City isn't blowing anyone away, Utah hasn't gotten off to a great start and they've got injury and chemistry issues, and Dallas has a flawed roster. I think you take the Lakers away and we're the best of the lot.
Beating them in the playoffs? I don't see how we have a real chance at it unless we can somehow get that one seed. That would involve a ridiculous amount of luck. We'd have to avoid the injury pitfalls, Pop would have to fight every instinct in his body and avoid resting guys, and the Lakers, in all likelihood, would need either Kobe or Pau to miss 10 or 15 games somewhere during the season.
Obviously, I'm getting ahead of myself and looking like a delirious fool in the process.
But I raise these future hypothetical scenarios for a reason and that's this: This is offensively the deepest and most talented Spurs team the Big Three have ever been a part of. They're stacked, very much like those superpower soccer teams you see in Europe, your FC Barcelonas, your Real Madrids, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, what have you.
Finally, Pop has built a roster to take advantage of how the game is played in 2010. We're not dumping it into the post 50 times a night anymore, we're not playing slow, there is constant movement and passing, and no one is selfish or scared.
What does that mean? It means the Spurs take fewer bad shots than any team in the NBA. Everyone on the roster is committed to getting the best possible percentage shot on any possession, and no one is afraid of the responsibility of being the guy that winds up getting that shot. While there aren't that many shot creators -- just Tony and Manu, mainly, though Timmeh can initiate from the post and Hill can drive and kick every now and then -- just about everyone on the roster can finish.
Manu, Tony, Hill and RJ can all obviously get to the basket on the dribble drive once they have a lane and all of them save Hill are very good about moving without the ball.
Tim, Dice, Blair and Tiago can all execute the pick and roll quite well.
Dice, Tim and Rocket can work the pick and pop, at various rangers. Bonner, obviously can extend all the way out to three.
RJ, Manu, Neal, Bonner and Hill (and Anderson when he comes back) can all knock down the three off the pass.
Add it all up and we've got ten guys that can score 15 points on any given night. There's just too much firepower here for defenses to shut down everything, and Pop knows it. That's why he wants us to run. That's why he wants us to force the issue. The more possessions a game has, the better off we'll be. Against almost anyone we play, we're going to be the more efficient offensive team, so the more possessions we have, the more the percentages will be in our favor, regardless of how well we shoot on any given night or how solid the defense is.
The slowdown game was necessary when we had only three guys on the floor who could score. So often we were playing with Bruce and a "center" who were offensive albatrosses. Pop wanted to minimize the possessions, figuring the percentages would work for our defense and that as long as the ball was constantly going to Timmy, we'd be getting better quality shots than the opposition. Playing at a slow pace is also necessary when you're throwing it into the post, because your big man has to get into position first and you kinda want to give him a rest to jog up and down the floor.
Those days are over. Now Pop puts lineups on the floor where it's almost a true democracy. Everyone can score. Good defense happens the way our offense used to, mostly due to the talents of two or three people, with the more limited ones playing smart and as a team.
We're the bizarro Spurs now, and of course, nobody's noticed but us.
Go ahead Mo Williams, score 21. Nobody cares. 17 for Boobie? Go for 27 next time and see if we care. 10 point spurt from Antawn Jamison? Whoop the fucking do.
We shot 53.1/48.0 (12 makes!)/81.8, with nine turnovers. Nobody in the world is gonna beat us when we do that, and certainly not the friggin' Cavs. Pick and roll, drive and kick, move the ball to the open man. So, so easy.
Now you might think to yourself, "Stampler, I'm a Spurs fan. I don't care how we play as long as we're winning games. We both know defense wins championships, so why should I prefer an offensive Spurs team to a defensive one? Isn't it fools gold?"
Yes and no. I'll explain it as simply as I can.
I'm assuming you all want what I want, for the Spurs to shock everyone and win another title, yes?
Then follow my thinking.
The best chance for the Spurs to accomplish is by A) Having home court advantage in the playoffs B) Having the Big Three rested.
You might think those two things are contradictory, and you'd be right if we were a defensive team, which we're not.
Defensive teams have less margins for error. With the rules the way they are these days, it's pretty much impossible to limit teams to less than 90 points per game over a full season. Currently Orlando is tops, allowing 90.3 per game. Last season, the Bobcats led the league, at 93.8.
Let's be generous and say we're the best defensive team ever and we'll allow 88 points per game. And let's say our slow pace and limited offense averages 96 per game. Boring ol' Spurs, right?
Well, that means on an average night against an average team, it's 24-22 after the first quarter, 48-44 at half and 72-66 after three. Even against shitty teams, Tim, Tony and Manu will have to work their asses off, because we don't score enough to run away from anybody and we don't play fast enough to take advantage of our more efficient offense.
However, if you're an offensive team that averages 108, then you're consistently putting up quarters of 27, 28, 30 points. As long as you're not terrible in the other end and allow the other team to get 24 or 25, you're gonna open up big leads faster and allow the Big Three to rest more.
Defense is more about effort than talent. Offense is about talent and execution more than effort. For a team like the Spurs it's easier to beat bad teams 115-100 than 100-85. There's so little resistance on the defensive end for an unselfish team like the Spurs who know what they're doing, it's like child's play. Basically the guys just take turns scoring.
The way the Spurs are built, it's almost impossible for them to lose against half of the NBA. They'll win on autopilot and look good doing it. Taking it easy on defense, really locking it in for one half or one quarter might build bad habits, I suppose, but I think the team is too smart and experienced to let it happen. Besides, there won't be any extended stretches of the schedule the rest of the way where we're playing a bunch of crap teams in a row. It's going to be a lot of good, bad, good, great, bad, etc.
Tim played 50 minutes combined in the back-to-back. That wouldn't have happened if we were a defensive team. There are fewer guys in the NBA who can be defensive difference makers than there are guys who can knock down open shots. Eventually you need your defensive guys if you're gonna win it all, but if you can win games just by scoring and not taxing the defensive guy, then by all means do it.
That's why the Spurs have a puncher's chance against LA. They're an "old" team that doesn't have to try hard but can still rack up the wins. Their margins for error against most teams they face are huge. Run the offense, pass the ball, knock down open shots and you'll always be in the game. Play a decent 12 or 18 minutes of defense and you'll win. It's that simple, and way less physically demanding than the other way.
It might sound like sacrilege, for the Spurs to embrace their inner Phoenix Suns, but it's really just the smartest way to navigate the regular season. Unlike the Suns, we'll have an extra defensive gear in our back pocket, aces in the hole in Timmy and Manu, Tony, Hill, Dice and Tiago. There's a difference between teams that don't play defense and ones that can't.
For the Spurs, not only is there no harm in being the former, but it's the best way to get where we want to be: healthy, rested and with that one seed entering the playoffs.
Your Three Stars:
3) Tony Parker. Had a better game in the box score than Manu, but most of his damage came in the second half when it was already turning into a rout.
2) Manu Ginobili. His second quarter -- 13 points, 2 assists, 1 steal -- gave the Spurs a healthy lead going into the break and it was easy after that.
1) Tiago Splitter. Does this guy know how to move without the ball or what? Seven buckets in the game and they were all layups or dunks. Great defense on the other end too. We can totally rest Tim against bad teams because Leg can feast on shit defenses in a way that our previous centers never could consistently. I really liked how fundamentally he's already far more advanced than his peers. The Cavs have a guy, J.J. Hickson, who still hasn't figured out that the refs are sticklers for that whole, "dribbling" thing. That doofus literally just wants to run with the ball tucked underneath his arm like a football player. The Cavs are fucking terrible.
Up Next: Monday, Vs. Orlando (9-3). As noted previously, the Madge are playing great defense, though they haven't played well against any offensive juggernauts yet. They got blown out at Miami 96-70 and lost at home to Utah 104-94. They did blow out the Suns, but it was without Steve Nash. They're still chucking up plenty of threes, 24 a night, but hitting only 36 percent of them, which tells me that people aren't doubling Dwight Howard as much and paying more attention to the shooters and also that Orlando's ball movement just plain isn't very good. Wouldn't you know, they're 27th in assists. Guess what? If you're trying to run a three point shooting offense but you're not swinging and rotating the ball, YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG. As long as we out-shoot them from downtown, we should be okay here, and if worse comes to worse, we can just foul Howard a bunch of times.
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I remember Pops decision to transform the Spurs into an offensive team in order to stay relevant in a changing league, trading our defensive wizard in Bowen, and doling away our best defensive big in Kurt Thomas. Like everyone else, I thought the Spurs were going to be a juggernaut.
Instead the Spurs looked horrible in that initial year and I talked as much sh%t as anyone about how it was the Pop and companies fault for going away from our defensive principles.(Though we did have injury issues) Now look at the team.
Before the season began, I put up a fanshot stating that Pop would be the biggest factor in how far we go this season, I’m sticking to that. So far he has put the team on a course for smooth sailing with his decision to outscore the opposition, get other guys involved and cause turnovers for easy buckets. The old dog decided to try some new tricks. Where would the Spurs be if Pop decided to play the same way as last season ??
These are the brave new Spurs and I’m embracing them. You are also correct about having an extra defensive gear we will always be able to go back to, Its going to come in handy.
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
Darn it all Stampler… I was gonna wait until I got some sleep to comment, but your sheer analytical brilliance in describing the transformed Spurs compels me to write this. Rec’d, double rec’d, and triple rec’d. D@mn you!
And you posted this late on a Saturday night, after opening with
I will say Mr. Gibson wasn’t the only Boobie I saw tonight and that I’m positive Tony isn’t my favorite French person on Earth.
Makes me wonder if we’re acquainted with the same “French Girl”
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 7:04 AM CST reply actions
If I had had some sleep, I might have pointed out that we also have the best Frenchman too (lest we forget, France won the FIFA World Cup some years back).
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
SHHHHH…. you are telling to much Stamp. The Spurs have no secrets now that you have shared them and we are under or at the cap to boot. At this pace the big three also can play for more years. Give Duncan an extension now. The Lakers have played 4th quarter defence for along time the way you described how we can play and it has worked fine to say the least. It is Sunday and I pray that Pop stays with this plan and does not revert to the old come playoff as he has done in the past. I also agree with your Orlando analysis and we now have Splitter with his new style hair and no medical leggings who can bang and box out to open the lanes. The real question is: How do you stop the Spurs if you are an opposing coach?
I think these Spurs will present opposing coaches with (insoluble) headaches, because the arsenal of offensive weapons is so broad and varied, that stopping one player (e.g. making ‘Melo work for his points) or adopting one strategy (e.g. try to make Nash a scorer instead of distributor) won’t be enough. The coaches will recognize what adjustments need to be made, the players will adapt, and the Spurs will come back to attack teams in ways they won’t expect and are not prepared to counter.
Of course, teams are always making adjustments during games and series, but the depth of talent and especially the unselfishness of the Spurs players is not something teams will be able institute overnight (or even over an off-season).
How to counter the Spurs? Opposing coaching staffs have probably worn out the tape of the Spurs-Hornets game looking for the answer. (Yes, I’m aware they no longer use tape.) I won’t go into too much detail (as you asked, don’t want to tell too much… as if coaches read fan blogs for information), but two obvious ones are 1) try to run with the Spurs and sneak out with a victory (i.e. roll the dice) and 2) slow the pace to try to negate the Spurs’ advantage on offense (i.e by keeping the game low-scoring and close). Problem is 1) plays into the Spurs hands and most teams aren’t built to execute 2) well. There’s a third way, but space and time prevent me from saying much more than that it involves a head of a snake, quick hands, disruptors, and 48 Minutes of Hell (the Arkansas variety). I think though that they’ll find that they’re facing a hydra with even faster hands, discipline, and its own version of making life miserable for opposing teams.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
p.s.
There’s no reason to give Duncan an extension before we see how this plays out this season. Maybe there’s one… the boost it could give his teammates knowing that the wheels are still on may be a psychological lift. But there’s no doubt that if Timmy wants to continue playing, the Spurs will make him an offer that he won’t refuse (a fair one).
I think the Spurs plan is to play more than just 4th quarter defense. It’s not lock-down D of the kind we’re used to… I think it starts in the 3rd quarter, and lasts as long as it’s needed.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
It might sound like sacrilege, for the Spurs to embrace their inner Phoenix Suns, but it’s really just the smartest way to navigate the regular season. Unlike the Suns, we’ll have an extra defensive gear in our back pocket, aces in the hole in Timmy and Manu, Tony, Hill, Dice and Tiago. There’s a difference between teams that don’t play defense and ones that can’t.
So what does that make us now…the “San Antonio Shaqs?”
Ugh. Mr. Irrelephant’s heart would burst if he tried to play at the pace of Pop’s Spurs 2.0; even Timmy’s laboring at the pace. If TD didn’t have the great conditioning he does, or his legendary fundamental skillz, or the time on the bench made possible our other talented bigs, we’d be playing 4 on 5 for much of the game (which we would be doing if Shaq were wearing the Silver and Black).
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Another great recap, Stampler! I like your take on why the Spurs have been focusing with the offense.
:)
by day_late_friend on Nov 21, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions
Great analysis Stamp, as always. A couple of points. 1. Maybe the best part of all of this is that nowhere is the “Tony situation” mentioned anymore. Funny how winning smooths so many potential rough spots. 2. Tiago: it’s remarkable how the P&R is the most fundamental play in basketball at any level and the hardest to defend, yet so few bigs ever develop the mentality to just “do it” (head for the basket immediately after the pick) without thinking. We have three bigs (TD, DB and TS) who do. I don’t know of any other team, including the Lakers who can boast that. That alone will take us a long way.
I wouldn’t discount Dice’s PnR BBIQ & skillz, even though it sometimes is a PnP with him. Nor Bonner’s, though Pn*’s with him are probably mostly of the “pop” variety.
Tiago is indeed a worthy disciple of the Tim Duncan school of PnR, on both sides of the ball. It is such a pleasure to (finally) get to see him work wearing the Silver and Black. I had no idea he was this good (and I think his ceiling is a lot higher than what we’ve seen so far, sound fundamentals will do that for a player).
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dyce and Bonner
The only reason I excluded Dyce and Bonner is because, as you say, they are both more comfortable doing pick and pop, which is fine as it creates its own set of problems for the D and since both shoot a high percentage it still works out to 2 or 3 points for our side. I also know Dyce has very high BBIQ.
As an aside: as long as either TP or Manu are in the game, I think we can get almost any shot we want at any time. It was interesting last night to watch George Hill try and get around his defender, usually Boobie, yet couldn’t. But Manu and Tony get around virtually any defender in the league at will.
Yes, agree to your points, including your aside.
Hill doesn’t have “it” yet, but I’m hopeful he’ll learn it from his older ‘brothers.’ It’s partly quickness (which Hill has) and party veteran savvy — or craftiness in Manu’s case (which George is still developing).
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, of course, Stampler. Great analysis.
In any case, I wanted to add that a faster pace benefits the two guys who are starting our offense (the only ones who are capable of starting our offense on a regular basis) these days: Manu and Tony. These two guys always had a style that begged for a faster pace, for a run-and-gun style where layups and crazy behind-the-back dribbles in transition and drives to the hoop with the defenders still looking for their assignments were common and actively sought for. But this was Timmy’s team, and he needed time, and we played inside out, so half-court it was.
We always knew we could run – now we just choose to. Once again, it feels to me as this is now the guards’ team. Let’s see how far they can take us.
I smell death... everywhere.
swgeek pointed out in his excellent “Is this still Timmy’s team?” FP that, of our Fantastic Four (Big Three plus RJ 2.0), we have three great players that will “probably thrive… at a faster pace.” And in silverandblack_davis’ equally terrific Player Lock analysis in his Game 11 recap (Utah), he notes that RJ 2.0 is now trusted to initiate the offense on occasion.
Now, I’m not saying that he’s the creator that Manu and Tony are, especially for fast breaks, but it’s not entirely unusual for him or Hill or one of our other young quick wings/guards to push the pace and score or pass for an assist in transition. In some sense, RJ 2.0 has for me become the symbol and maybe barometer of Pop’s Spurs 2.0…. it’s a “chicken or egg” kind of question to identify the cause and effect, as RJ’s resurgence is so intertwined to the new system, but at the same time he’s one of the motors that make it run so beautifully.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think you’re on to something with the pace of this ballclub. This year we’re playing 99 possessions a game, near the top of the league (and actually above Phoenix and Golden State). Last year it was a league-average 94 a game, and before that it was a very slow 90 per game.
Nine or ten extra possessions a game may not seem like a lot, but it can be the difference between a defense that usually gets enough time to set up and respond to half-court offense and one that’s constantly scrambling to avoid an easy layup or open three. As victims to this in the PHX series last year we know better than anyone.
It’s pure speculation, but it’s possible that the PHX sweep may have been one of the motivating factors for this transformation. That, and a desire to get RJ involved more in the flow of the offense.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
we’ll have an extra defensive gear in our back pocket
This is a very good point. I think a we play decent defense throughout the game (especially considering out pace) and then, for one quarter or half, we pull out this lock down D to extend the lead. The one thing I’ve noticed is that we play defense that has always been good enough to maintain the lead that our offense has given us.
That Hornets game wasn’t lost due to bad D. Our turnovers and inability to make shots was our downfall. Even still, we were one basket away from taking that game.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

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