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Game 11 Recap: It's Getting Weird


Game 11, @ Utah: Spurs 94-82    (Record 10-1)          RAGE: +3

Before we get into the kooky awesomeness of tonight's game, I thought I'd share something spooky I found on Youtube. It was during a Spurs season opening pep rally for the fans a couple years back, where they shot some video skits. I think this was the same year Manu dressed up as Eva Peron and sang "Don't Cry For Me Argentina," but apparently no video of that exists. 

This exists though...

  (via videobuzzfr)

Now of course you recognize most of the particulars. It stars Tony and Eva, with cameos by the JV, Findog and Blotch. But there is another person of interest here. The leggy, hot brunette in the shades who looks all bitter and jealous? You get one guess at who that is.

It's gonna be a weird year.

 

Star-divide

You know what else is weird? One of the most famous sportswriters in the country turning in an NBA predictions column on November 19th.

Here was Bill Simmons' rationalization:

I passed on writing a 2010-11 NBA preview after inadvertently stepping all over it with my 2010-11 NBA season ticket rankings. The thinking: "I'll wait a few weeks, then write a two-part retro preview that accomplishes all the things I would have done with the regular preview, only with the bonus of hindsight."

Translated: "I'm really fucking lazy, but I'm so famous there isn't a damn thing my bosses can do about it." The best part is he only wrote the Western preview. He said he'll get to the East, "Next week or the week after."

Hey, what's the rush? You work too hard, take a break.

Let's just skip right to the Spurs part.

5. SAN ANTONIO

Preseason Prediction: 49 wins (6th)
Revised Prediction: 50 wins

Okay, the Spurs were 9-1 when he turned this puppy in. That mean's he's picking them to go 41-31 the rest of the way. Seems a bit... what's the word I'm looking for? Stupid. The Spurs always play better in the second half of the season under Pop and I'm gonna give The Sports Guy the benefit of the doubt that he knows this. Even if you don't think they're any better than what you thought they would be in August, shouldn't you bump the team's predicted record by a few wins considering they've won a couple games nobody thought they'd win? Isn't that just common sense? By picking them to close 41-31, you're actually saying you expect the Spurs to play worse as the year goes along. Or maybe he didn't think things through at all and just wanted to get to the Tony Parker jokes.

My vote for Least Shocking Sports Story of 2010: "Handsome French point guard breaks up with his aging actress wife who he never got to see that much; she claims he cheated on her." I thought Parker would be on Celebrity Wife No. 3 by now. You know why? He's French! Everyone has mistresses in France! Cheating on your wife in France is about as controversial as eating cheese. Throw in Parker's NBA DNA and it's amazing that he didn't make Tiger's saga look like child's play by comparison. Would you leave your wife alone with Tony Parker? I don't even like when my wife is one of 15,000 people in the Staples Center when the Spurs are in town. Anyway, I can't imagine Parker's personal troubles would affect a Duncan/Popovich foundation. If Stephen Jackson couldn't shake them, nothing can.

Cheating on your wife is about as controversial as eating cheese. HEY-O. You see, it's because he's French. He gets paid millions of dollars to write this stuff, and the most exciting thing that happened to me all month was a sex dream about Katy Perry. Life's not fair. I think we can all agree my Parker/Barry stuff was way funnier.

Enough with Parker. Here comes the "analysis."

Lost in San Antonio's terrific start, Parker's soap opera, Manu Ginobili's inspired comeback,

Hold up, what? Manu's inspired comeback? From what, the off-season? Manu's PER last season: 22.54. Manu's PER this year: 22.40. I guess Bill missed the second half of last season when Manu was one of the best three players on the world. Kinda odd for a fella who calls himself "one of the remaining twenty NBA fans on the planet," no?

Richard Jefferson's bid to become the oldest player ever to win a "Comeback Player of the Year" award and the 350,000 people who Googled "Gary Neal" during a Spurs game this season: four college seasons, 987 regular-season games, 170 playoff games and over 42,000 career minutes are finally adding up for the great Tim Duncan. Unless he starts doing HGH and doping his blood cells like Kobe Bryant, his 14-year run of All-NBA teams will be coming to an end this season. Yet he could quit tomorrow and still go down as the best power forward ever. Everything else is gravy.

And lost in the shot at Kobe and the historical compliment to Duncan is the implication that Simmons is saying he's washed up and done. Talk about a reverse jinx. All Timmy's done the last two games is average 17.5 points, 16 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 2.5 blocks against two of the most physical teams in the league in Chicago and Utah. It's funny that he's putting the rubber stamp on The Golden God's career while expressing full confidence that the Celtics will represent the East in the Finals. You know how many rebounds KG had tonight against Oklahoma City? Two, in 30 minutes. Without Kevin Durant. If Duncan's done, then what's Garnett? Dead?

TD PER: 20.15.

KG PER: 19.04.

The lesson, as always...

Anyway, enough about Simmons. Let's talk about the game. The Spurs are officially spooking me out. I thought tonight was going to be their toughest test to date and was fully expecting an "L." Somebody asked the other day what R.A.G.E. stands for, so again, it's Record Against Great Expectations. Not the greatest acronym, but it gets the job done. The team gets a +1 for every game they win that I didn't expect, such as tonight's at Utah. They get a -1 for every loss I didn't see coming, such as our only blemish on the year, at home against the Nooch. Right now they're a +3 because I thought they'd be 7-4 instead of 10-1, capish?

I thought the Jazz, who went 4-0 against us last year, at home, would be a tall order with their inside combo of Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap and that Duncan would be a bit worn down after dealing with Joakim Noah and Omer Asik all game against the Bulls. I also thought Deron Williams would be a pretty tough cover for us. Mostly I guess what it was is that I think more highly of Utah than most people do.

The basketball team that is. I wouldn't be caught dead in the state.

Well good team or no, the Jazz started out sluggish and sloppy. The Spurs had six steals in the first and I'm not sure if any of them were brilliant hustle plays on our end. Utah just wasn't very sharp and bobbled a few balls right at us. Combine that with some early scoring from Manu and Blair and some superb defense in the lane from Timmy and before you know it, it was 21-6, good guys.

The offense was coming in fits and spurts, but the starters had the most defensive chemistry between them that they've had all season. Either they've been paying attention in practice or they're just getting used to each other, but they're definitely not allowing as many wide open jumpers these days and all the bigs seem to know where to be and aren't getting caught out of position in the pick-and-roll. There's always somebody back protecting the rim and challenging shots. Everyone is boxing out their guy and the defensive rebounding has been excellent.

Utah caught up going into the fourth quarter, but it took them 24 minutes to accomplish what we did in 12. They expanded more energy and it showed. That it was even a game going into the final period was due mostly to off nights by Manu and Rocket, neither of whom could throw it into the ocean. If they played like their regular selves, the Spurs would've had a healthy cushion going into the fourth. It didn't help that the bench also had a tough time scoring, combining for 14 points on 5-of-18 shooting. They all rebounded well (even Bonner) and they scrapped on defense, but couldn't get their shots to fall, often missing badly.

There were a couple of times I thought Manu got whacked on drives to the rim, but considering the officiating crew, I wasn't overly surprised he didn't get a call. Mostly it was like he was cursed out there. His layups would roll in and out. He'd pass to a wide open guy and that guy would miss. Whoever he was covering on defense would be burying threes with Manu right in his mug. It just went so terribly for him in the second and third quarters, to the point where he noticeably passed up some shots in the fourth and mostly settled for trying to set up Tim and Tony, who both had it going.

With all nine guys in the rotation playing well in their own end, rotating for each other, contesting shots, hustling for loose balls, rebounding like madmen, it was simply going to be impossible for Utah to run away with the game, even if they had all the momentum and energy. The Spurs were too good at creating second and third chances for themselves, too talented with the Big Three all on the floor at once and too unselfish to take poor shots. It also helped that the Jazz didn't have the quick slashers or three point shooters necessary to get a bunch of points in a hurry. They're a team that murders defenses that are soft, disorganized and undersized (like Miami). That's not the Spurs. Not this year.

The Spurs won because they could out-Jazz the Jazz when they had to, but the Jazz could never out-Spur them. It's just not in them. Maybe when Gordon Hayward gets comfortable and starts playing and Mehmet Okur comes back and can space the floor. Right now they have Jefferson and Millsap, similar guys with similar skills, and they mostly get in each other's way. Williams is being asked to do too much and Kirilenko (who looks these days like he should be named Ishmael Smith) isn't being utilized enough as a playmaker.

Their statlines were superficially similar, but let's be clear, Tony -- with some defensive help from George Hill -- kicked Williams' ass. While Utah's star had to work for everything he got on the floor, Parker made it look smooth and effortless. He was in total control the whole time and the game seemed to be going in slow motion for him. He scored 24 and he probably could've had 35 if he needed to. When he passed, it was with a purpose.

This whole month Parker's been playing with the assurance of a guy who's confident in his game and even more confident in what he's doing. Situations don't seem to confuse or rattle him. He never looks panicked on the floor. Even the shots he misses, most of the time the circumstances dictate that he's supposed to be taking those shots. I wouldn't say Tony's in a zone, but he's very focused and hungry, that much is obvious. He is not fucking around out there. I think he's happy that he doesn't have to carry the team for prolonged stretches like he did two seasons ago and appreciative of his health, as he definitely wasn't the same guy last year. Now he can be a star when he has to be and just be merely great when others are playing well. It's a luxury and a freedom that he, Tim and Manu are all enjoying, for the first time since 2007.

Here's what The Fornicating Frenchman's done against six of the best point guards in the league this year:

Tony                                                                                     Others

Date             Pts   Shooting    Assists   TOs      Name         Pts   Shooting    Assists        TOs

10/30          13         5/10             4             3       C. Paul        25          8/15             5              3

11/3             11        4/11             6             3        S. Nash        19        8/22             7             4

11/6             21        8/17             14           4      A. Brooks   18            7/13             2              3

11/14          24         9/15             3             3       Westbrook 19          5/17             8             2

11/17          21         9/14             7             3       D. Rose       33        15/27          4              4

11/19          24       11/17          7                2      Williams    23          7/19             5              2

Avg      19.0   46/84 (55%)    6.8               3.0                     22.8    50/113 (44%)  5.2       3.0

That's pretty freakin' good. Not to toot my own horn, because I can't, but I think I'm onto something about Parker being pissed about not being on those top-five best point guard lists anymore. He wants to show critics he's just as good as these guys, if not better, and so far not only does he have the stats to back it up, but he's 5-1 against his peers.

Tonight was Timmeh's night though, when it comes down to it. He passed The Admiral on the franchise's all-time scoring list, had more rebounds (14 to 13) and assists (four to three) than Millsap and Jefferson combined, just as many blocks as those guys combined (three each) and only three fewer points (19 to 22, on two fewer shots). He completely owned the paint on defense during his 33 minutes on the floor and created many second chances. I'm not sure which play I liked more, when he snuffed Jefferson's attempted dunk or tapped a ball over Millsap's head off the backboard, caught it and dunked it home. He was fucking awesome tonight.

People can continue to count out the Spurs if they wish, but eventually they'll have to take notice of the record if nothing else. They won at Utah on a night where two of their three guys played well and everyone else just grinded. That's a statement win. Duncan and Parker were both good, but didn't have eye-popping numbers. No one else stood out or did anything special, which is the point. They dismantled a good Jazz team on the road and they made it look routine.

We've seen nights when two of the big three have been rolling and have been aided by role players and we've seen nights where pretty much everyone scored at will. Now, slowly but surely, we're seeing some more consistency on defense. The Spurs have yet to put it all together, with the the big three all playing well, the role guys like RJ, Blair, Hill, Dice and Bonner doing their parts, and the defense playing the way it did tonight. The Spurs have shown they can win games doing just a few things well, a different combination of positives on every night. They're already one of the best teams just playing a B, B- game for them, like they were in their championship seasons. If they ever find that A game, then maybe this thing won't be a mere formality for the Lakers just yet.

Your Three Stars:

3. DeJuan Blair. An excellent defensive effort against two big uglies and he's starting to find his touch around the basket again. Had more offensive boards (six) than the whole Jazz team combined. So did Tim. It was 16-to-5 on that end and 46-to-31 on the glass overall. Just domination.

2. Tony Parker. I have nothing to add about his game, so I'll mention the Jazz broadcast crew here. They've got Matt Harpring as their color guy now and he was just ghastly. So was the play-by-play guy, whoever he was. At one point, Harpring argued, in all seriousness, that Jefferson shouldn't have been called for an offensive foul because "Duncan impeded Jefferson's shoulder with his face."

Later, when Williams went flying under the basket on a loose ball, the play-by-play guy said something about holding his breath, and Harpring said, "He's one of those guys you don't want to see injured."

Yeah, I mean if C.J. Miles suffers an ACL, well fuck that guy, but not Deron Williams. I hope when Bonner becomes a color guy in five years he's not this awful.

1. Tim Duncan. At least Harpring had to have a running dialogue during the game. The Jazz also have Thurl Bailey holed up in some studio with some schmoe and they went to him on occasion for strategical tidbits. The final time, when it was 89-81 Spurs with three minutes to go, Bailey was asked what the Jazz should do. I swear to FSM he said, "I think they should give the ball to Deron Williams here." He didn't expand on the thought by saying whether Williams should run a pick-and-roll with Millsap, whether they should look to drive and kick for an open three, or how they should react on defense depending on a make or a miss. The entirety of his analytical advice was to give the ball to their best player. And he's drawing a paycheck significantly larger than mine for this. I hope the Jazz franchise exists for another 600 years and never wins a title, to the point that one day sports fans in Cleveland will mock them.

Up Next: Saturday, Vs. Cleveland (5-6). I had no idea this was a FIGABABA for us until halfway through the game. Crap. With Orlando on the docket on Monday I am BEGGING you Pop, sit Timmy. Please. No matter how much he protests, bench his ass and play Tiago 24 minutes or until he fouls out, whichever comes first. Don't be fooled by the Cavs' respectable record, their middle-of-the-road statistics or the fact that five of their guys are averaging double figures in scoring and that Sideshow Bob is 0.4 (that damn number again) from making it six. All you need to know is a guy named Boobie is second on the team in scoring, because Boobie Gibson sucks. We're not gonna lose to these guys Duncan or no.

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That video was filmed at my high school, making the beginning of your post even weirder as I wasn’t expecting to see my friends on PTR…

Thanks for the recap

by mcmccaleb on Nov 20, 2010 5:25 AM CST reply actions  

Hahahahaha. You deserve a medal just for digging up that video. Eerie, indeed.

I watched most of it and agree that Utah never looked capable of truly winning the game.

A fine job and honest perspective on all of your subjects.

[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]

"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said

by alamobro on Nov 20, 2010 5:26 AM CST reply actions  

It’s a coincidence that Bill Simmons’ initials are BS. Says a lot about his writings.

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Nov 20, 2010 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

Was the video done when Bones was still on the team? I like when she kicks Eva over a garbage can. Talk about subliminal message. Great recap.
I was pleasantly surprised in the fourth quarter when Williams was unable to get anything going. It looked like he got pissed off for a minute in the second after Georgie have him that upper cut. But then, nada. These guys are looking alot like the ’05 and ’07 Spurs.

by agutierrez on Nov 20, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

The Archives are a wonderful thing… but what’s up with the bold speak?

Manu in a Dress, Timmy in a Wig.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. ~ CMoney
I am happy. I am proud. ~ Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Nov 20, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing:

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by National Basketball Association.

When I click on each and every video on that page.

But thanks for the effort.

The point with intangibles is that no one can see them.

by J.R. Wilco on Nov 22, 2010 3:23 AM CST up reply actions  

rec for secret history

by greyberger on Nov 20, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Later, when Williams went flying under the basket on a loose ball, the play-by-play guy said something about holding his breath, and Harpring said, “He’s one of those guys you don’t want to see injured.”

Yeah, I mean if C.J. Miles suffers an ACL, well fuck that guy, but not Deron Williams. I hope when Bonner becomes a color guy in five years he’s not this awful.

GOL!

"He was just a young skinny guy who looked like a winner. We didn’t know he was going to be as good as he is."
—Popovich on Manu Ginobili

by spursfan87 on Nov 20, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

This was the funniest recap I’ve ever read. Aaronstampler you are awesome and this recap is easily worth millions.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Nov 20, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah… I remember that comment when Al Jefferson hit Duncan in the face – even for someone who’s used to listening to Sean Elliott’s color commentary, that was one of the most obliviously homer-ish statements I’ve ever heard broadcast.

chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Nov 20, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

How much do you guys think Eva would pay to make that video go away forever ? Im not saying we should blackmail her or anything…..

:::evil chuckle:::

[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]

"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said

by alamobro on Nov 20, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions  

Forgot about that video, and thanks for a great recap. Hope Duncan gets splinters in his ass tonight.

by indiancharlie on Nov 20, 2010 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

Tony must be a nalga man ‘cause he’s obviously not a boob guy. Why didn’t they have Findog do his best Caribbean Queen? Hey, even the JV makes an appearance. Great find.

by agutierrez on Nov 20, 2010 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Great write up per usual. Harpring was right about the offensive call on Jefferson though. He went straight up for his shot and Tim was leaning into his space. Should have been a no call or foul on Tim.

"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo

by Manuwar on Nov 20, 2010 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

Thats what happens when a ref has to choose between tagging either an all star center, or the Goat with a foul.

[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]

"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said

by alamobro on Nov 20, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Nov 20, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

“He’s one of those guys you don’t want to see injured.”

priceless. thanks HAPRING

zzz

by Iullaby on Nov 20, 2010 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

That video just made my day…not my week. So bawful in so many ways.
The coyote is the best mascot ever, the discussion ends here.
Great recap as always, and yeah….fuck simmons, I used to like the guy (even if he peed outside the toilette most of the time with his comments, he was kinda funny and had some interesting points). Now yes, he is really mailing it .

"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"

by Chilai on Nov 20, 2010 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

Great recap, rec’d. Have more comments, but game is going on (even though it’s half-time) so maybe later…

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 20, 2010 8:42 PM CST reply actions  

OK, we’re 10-1, so I’m happy.

Thanks for posting the video, Stampler…. wish I’d seen it earlier, so that I wouldn’t have watched it on Extra. I’m really hating them right now (one guess why).

Re: Simmons’ “predictions” – I agree, as was commented upon by many in this FS, WHO revises his season predictions 10 games after the season starts? It’s arrogant and lazy for a writer to do this; my first thought was that he was mailing the column in to meet a deadline. And his revisions don’t really make sense, the Spurs will win only one more game than he originally predicted? lol

That said, I thought there was an unspoken code not to overly criticize a fellow member of the sportswriters’ fraternity. I’m not a member of your profession, so I can write whatever nonsense I like, but I’d hate to see this come back to bite you.

I think Utah is a well-run basketball machine (both the team and the organization), and the state’s not bad if you love to ski in powder. I’d move to Park City in a heartbeat… but maybe they’re not representative of the rest of the state.

I loved that Duncan set those franchise records with an owsome and meaningful performance, leading the team to victory against a tough opponent… but I’m not surprised. He’s telling us that he’s still relevant, and we dismiss him at our peril. Kudos to the big fella.

The Spurs have shown they can win games doing just a few things well, a different combination of positives on every night. They’re already one of the best teams just playing a B, B- game for them, like they were in their championship seasons

You put your finger on the thing that I like best about this edition of the Spurs (thus far). The Spurs are able to win games without playing their “A” game all the time (even against good teams like the Jazz, Rockets, Suns, and Bulls), and even better, they’re able to win in different ways with different heroes each game.

I suspect that this is a result of the depth, versatility, and variety of our roster, and the way Coach Pop mixes and matches his players to create unsolvable match-up problems for opposing coaches…. but I haven’t figured out how to prove this yet. If you have any thoughts on how to do this, please FanPost them if you have the time.

And as for what’s really weird (at least to me), it’s that you seem to be quite optimistic about the team right now. AND the RAGE is +3 (which should be an indication of your pessimism about the team, since the team only accumulates RAGE points when you think they’re gonna lose and they surprise you by winning). Who would ever have expected this? lol

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

1. I appreciate your concern, but I’m not nearly famous enough to worry about Simmons retribution. I’d have to be like 20 times more famous before I cut that out. The internet is like 98 percent porn and 2 percent making fun of Bill Simmons anyway.

2. I don’t think my RAGE is pessimistic at all. It’s not a bad thing, thinking you’re going to lose road games to 2009 playoff teams like Oklahoma City, Utah and Phoenix. Even if your team is gonna go 62-20, those 20 losses gotta come from somewhere, right? To me it’s logical to predict losses in road games against playoff teams. I’ve already stated that as long as Tim and Manu are healthy I’d pick the Spurs to win just about any home game.

I did pick them to lose to Chicago at home, yes. I didn’t plan on doing that initially, but it was the same night the Tony news broke and I thought the team would be distracted and that the Bulls would be a bad matchup for them athletically and physically. For a half they were. Then the Spurs woke up. If the Bulls weren’t on a SEGABABA, it might have been a different game.

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Aaronstampler on Nov 21, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The internet is like 98 percent porn and 2 percent making fun of Bill Simmons anyway.

rotflmao…. have to rec your comment for that sentence alone.

Regarding RAGE, I’m just saying it’s a subjective measure based on whether you think the team is going to (or rather, should) win or lose the next game. There’s nothing wrong with that, it works. It’s just that for the RAGE to be in positive territory, the Spurs had to have won games that you thought they would lose. I took that to mean that you were pessimistic about the team’s chances, but I guess what really may be going on is that it could be an underlying basis for the optimism I’ve detected in your recaps, since after all, they won those games against your expectations.

And I gotta say this again, but your analysis in your game 12 recap is nothing short of brillian.

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Loved the recap, of course. Best reason to check the FanPosts every day, Stampler.

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Nov 20, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

Awesome writing as always.

Hey, what’s the rush? You work too hard, take a break.

Ha! Nice. He does seem to be taking it a bit easy these days.
But I do notice you bringing up Simmons a lot these days. Bit of a fetish?

Lauri: thank goodness I have you magnificent bastards to waste [the offseason] with.

by swgeek on Nov 22, 2010 1:50 AM CST reply actions  

I’m addicted to things that are no good for me.

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Aaronstampler on Nov 22, 2010 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Entirely OT at this point but has anybody read the Simmons book?

by greyberger on Nov 22, 2010 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

The first one, I have. Not the NBA one yet.

For now, it is Timmy’s team and Manu’s blog. -swgeek

by J.R. Wilco on Nov 22, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I have. It’s pretty enjoyable as long as you don’t pay much atteniton of Simmons’ lovefest for his Celtics. Also, he ranked TD pretty high on his all-time list.

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was completely bullshit. He got about 75 facts wrong (he said so himself) and he goes into all this rationale for his top 100 rankings about why this stat doesn’t matter and that stat doesn’t matter and it’s all about being clutch and having intangibles and being a winner and being a great teammate and making plays that aren’t in the box score blah blah blah….

and then he doesn’t have Manu in the top 100. Instead he’s got both Reggie Miller and Ray Allen and he goes into a long argument about why Allen is better.

Seriously, give me a break. Obviously there’s MJ, Kobe, Jerry West, Clyde Drexler…. I can even see Joe Dumars. But I can’t take any basketball writer seriously who would take Miller and Allen, a couple of all-time 20-1-1 guys, ahead of Manu.

Simmons is a humongous xenophobe. He’s even admitted it. He flat out doesn’t like foreign basketball players.

Really, if you read the book there are all sorts of little shots at the Spurs in there. Our ‘99 title “never happened.” The ’05 Finals was terrible and we wouldn’t have even won if not for the Artest melee back when he was a Pacer. We didn’t deserve to beat Phoenix in ‘07. It’s one thing after another.

If I didn’t have a fledgling career in the business to worry about I’d go to one of his book signings, drop the book on the floor in front of him and pee on it.

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Aaronstampler on Nov 23, 2010 4:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If I didn’t have a fledgling career in the business to worry about I’d go to one of his book signings, drop the book on the floor in front of him and pee on it.

Forget your sports-reporting career, a move like that would jump-start your next one as a literary critic!

Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.

Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.

by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 23, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

In this internet age, that may actually be the best career move you could make… short of flinging your feces at Kelly Dwyer.

chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.

by rick2g on Nov 23, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Or both.

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Nov 23, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And to this excellent list I will add a couple of lengthy quotes from Tommy Craggs and Ben Mathis-Lilley that perfectly capture what I find most unbearable about Bill “Hey, it’s a joke, I’m just joking, lighten up, Valerie Solanas” Simmons:

Tommy Craggs
“The Secret: A hopelessly banal point about chemistry and sacrifice.”

I’m glad Jonathan brought up the sexism, because, well, it’s pretty astounding (this from a guy writing next to the stripper pole at Deadspin HQ). Let’s just pass over the story about the “mediocre Asian with fake cans” and head straight to this little pearl, provided by Simmons’s buddy Bug: “Every time I watch Jason Kidd play, initially it’s like seeing a girl walk into a bar who’s just drop-dead gorgeous, but then when he throws up one of those bricks, it’s like the gorgeous girl taking off her jacket and you see she has tiny mosquito bites for tits.”
Ben Mathis-Lilley
“Some thoughts on the book’s horrible sexism.”

 
First, some thoughts on the book’s horrible sexism. In my notes on TBOB, I actually stopped bothering to copy down the most egregious comments and figured I’d just note when Simmons mentioned a woman for any reason other than evaluating her appeal as something to put a penis in. I’m open to correction on this, but I believe it was when he praised Meryl Streep’s acting somewhere around page 500.

The annoying thing about Simmons’s sexism in this book is that it’s not only abhorrent—we probably all look up to writers and artists and Shawn Kemps who have personal attitudes we don’t agree with—it’s intrusively abhorrent. I’m not a Puritan. I don’t mind battle-of-the-sexes banter or bachelor-party anecdotes and I’m not, presently, wearing pants. But Simmons gets into weird, pathological territory. Here’s a selection from one of his columns that the book prompted me to look up:

I flew to San Fran to hang out with my buddies Bish, Mikey and Hopper (the heart of the original Vegas crew) for a few days. The weekend started off with Mikey showing us a then-legendary porn scene—one where Rocco Siffredi randomly decided to dunk a co-star’s head into a toilet—which we analyzed like it was the Zapruder film for a good two to 10 hours. Then we flew to Vegas and gambled for three straight days, and every time someone got killed by a blackjack hand we made a variation of a joke about someone getting their head rammed in the toilet by Rocco. Vegas is the place where you beat the same joke into the ground, but this went to another level—flushing sounds, gurgling, “No, no Rocco, not again!” and everything else. It just never got old.

Jeez, man. Jeez. I didn’t realize guys like this had friends; I assumed they were all rapey basement loners. We reviewers and commenters seem to be in agreement that it’s not cool—so who’s out there egging him on? Am I misjudging the sleaziness of the American male?

All I can say in answer to that last sentence is, “God, I hope so.”

I don’t get why you need this insidious and constant flow of misogyny to write about sports or to appeal to a vast audience. I don’t get it, and it depresses me that it works so fucking well.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Nov 25, 2010 2:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Blarg, change “so” to “not” in that penultimate one-sentence paragraph.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Nov 25, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope so too. But I’m pretty sure not many men find the idea of dunking a woman’s head into a toilet either funny or arousing.

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Nov 26, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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