Game #12 Preview: Cavs @ Spurs - Who's missing Tiago?
by Big50 on Nov 20, 2010 12:00 PM CST
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So, the Spurs win again. That's nine in a row for those of you who are counting. One of the most interesting things is that Splitter didn't play again. It was a coaches decision. I haven't heard anything, granted I haven't done much checking, but it makes one wonder. In other news the Spurs are 10-1 for the first time ever! The Spurs are now coming off a very nice road win just in time to play a SEGABABA against the Kingless Cavaliers. Cleveland is also coming into this game as a SEGABABA and they are now below .500 after getting punked by the Hornets last night. Cleveland is now a team full of role players who managed to shoot a blistering 35% last night. Let's see if the Spurs can play some solid defense against these Cavs. Who knows, maybe there will even be a Splitter sighting.
Ever since LeBron left, the Cavs remind me of this song:
I can not help but laugh when I hear this song and think of poor Cleveland.
So for indaincharlie's sake I'll keep this short and sweet. Well at least short. I for one am wondering what is going on with Splitter. Is he nicked up? Did he mouth off to Pop? An interesting fact, the entire Spurs bench was minus in the +/- against Utah. That means the starters played really well, but this team is going to need to bench to play better than that throughout the season. They should be able to dominate this Cavs team.
Timmeh has had two really solid games in a row. With him playing back at the level we are used to seeing makes me not really miss Splitter that much. All the starters scored in double digits against Utah. I'm hoping the bench can contribute a little more tonight and give the starters some much needed rest in the SEGABABA. On to the preview.
 San Antonio Spurs vs Cleveland Cavaliers Where: AT&T Center When: November 20, 2010, 7:30 p.m. Spurs Time - Timezone Converter Watch: CW35 HD
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PG: Parker is playing really well. Williams is a nice shooter, but he is far from the complete player that Parker is. Parker by a wide margin here.
SG: Manu has been clutch for the Spurs. Coming up with a couple nice buckets and a steal late in the Utah game. Anthony Parker is a nice player, but he's not even in Manu's league. What's that? They play in the same league? What are these useless facts?!
SF: RJ is just playing solid. His stats haven't been amazing lately, but he's getting clutch rebounds (see the Utah and Bulls games) and just playing smarter. Jamario Moon can jump, but again he's just a role player, of course so is Rage, but he's Rage and that just makes him better.
PF: J.J. Hickson is having a very nice season. He leads the Cavs in scoring at 15 ppg. Blair is getting better, but he still has a way to go. Maybe Pop is just giving him all of Splitters minutes so he will continue to improve. Right now, the edge goes to Hickson.
C: After a few rough games Timmeh is back on track. In the Utah game and the Bulls game he has taken advantage of the oposition. Anderson Varejao is still annoying, but Duncan and Co., have to make sure they get a body on him or he will cause problems on the boards.
Bench
Splitter? Didn't we sign a guy named Splitter? Two straight DNP's because of a coaches decision makes no sense to me. You know what? I trust Pop. I'll trust that whatever he's doing, he knows it. Jamison and Gibson are the Cavs two big bench guys. Jamison can go off at any time. I'd like to see Hill, Neal, SAM and hopefully Splitter come out and take some pressure off the starters.
Coaching
Yeah, did I mention that the Spurs are 10-1 and their best off season acquisition hasn't played in two games? I guess Pop might have an idea about what's going on. Byron Scott, not bad, but Pop owns him.
Intangibles
Somebody woke up Tim Duncan or maybe he just got over his cold. Either way, he's playing very well and the Spurs are just getting better
Mojo
Spurs are off to their best start ever. Cavs, not so much.
Prediction
This could be a trap game. I think the Spurs are just playing to well for it to matter. Spurs win.
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interesting that Tiago is not playing. I seriously doubt that he mouthed off to Pop though. Maybe something else………..
Should be a gimme game with lots of garbage time for the bench players
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by ojsimpsondidit on Nov 20, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
The last game that Tiago played in, he had subbed in before Bonner (not counting Matt’s lunch). He got into quick foul trouble, and then Bonner had a huge game. I’d guess that Pop liked what he saw with Bonner in so Bonner has earned the minutes. It’s tough to find minutes for 5 bigs, particularly since Pop likes to go with a small lineup from time to time.
For the time being, I think they want to leave Blair as starter, though that may not last much longer. Blair needs time to be evaluated. I think Tiago has pretty much passed his evaluation. He needs time just to sharpen up, but I think there’s less hurry there. His time will likely mainly come when either Tim or Dice pretty much sit out an entire game. My guess is that will happen tonight, so I think Tiago will see some minutes. If Blair and Bonner both look good, fewer minutes for Tiago. If Bonner starts by missing a few more shots, than Tiago will likely get more minutes while Bonner drops down closer to 10.
+1
I was about to say everything you just posted.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Nov 20, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is probably close to the truth. I was particularly fearful of Tiago disappearing after Bonner’s good game, because, in spite of his great track record, Pop just can’t help himself in cases like this.
Pop kept Bonner out there to “space the floor” in a game where spacing the floor was peripheral to physical post play and defense. The Jazz stuck to Bonner like glue at the 3 point line, eliminating his one asset, while completely abusing him on the other end (which was fairly easy to overlook given that the rest of our bigs dominated). In other words, he was basically useless out there tonight beyond “knowing the system.”
This was the type of game (a physical opponent who plays lots of P&R; likes to single cover on D) well suited for Splitter’s skill set. I’m always inclined with give Pop the benefit of the doubt, but I think he made a mistake here—for the sake of Splitter’s development, anyhow.
Actually, it worked perfectly in the Jazz game. They stuck to Bonner and Spurs took advantage on the offensive end.
Splitter will likely see big minutes tonight.
I do think Pop is playing it safe with Splitter since he has played all year as well. Summer ball is not kind to the Spurs, so I can see Pop trying to balance out minutes and rest in a long season.
Umm…how was that? Was it because of all of the 3s Bonner hit? Or because Bonner impacted the game in other ways that don’t show up in the box score, as exampled by his wonderful +/- (lowest on the team at -10)?
The team won because Tim and Blair dominated in the paint, and because Tony won his matchup with Williams. They won in spite of Bonner’s horrible game. I fully understand that Bonner’s floor spacing is useful at times, and there are games where his offensive contribution’s outweigh his negatives on the defensive end. This wasn’t one of those games.
I just failed to see the need to keep him out there when the team has a player, Splitter, needing reps to get further acclimated, specifically when Splitter’s style of play was better suited for the type of game the Spurs were playing.
Unless that is you think Splitter isn’t good enough and would served as a bigger detraction to the overall team play than Bonner did.
I think that Pop is going on the theory/belief that Bonner, if he worries the other team outside the arc so much that his man can’t play help defense in the paint, opens up the interior for Timmy/Tony/Manu and even RJ 2.0 to go to work. Even on nights Bon-bon’s triples aren’t falling.
Of course, in such games (like last night’s), the other team needs to recognize it early enough and dare Matt to take the open three. I’m guessing Utah wasn’t going to risk it (their assistant coach admitted as much before the game) since Bonner entered the game having made his last nine three-point attempts.
Tonight may be a different matter, the Cavs may be counting on him to miss. Then again, it’s possible that Matt shot poorly against the Jazz because of back aches (suffered late in the previous Bulls’ game), and that he’s feeling better and will take advantage of his opportunities.
And if not… I’m sure Splitter is eager to show coach that he’s prepared to play.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 20, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think that Pop is going on the theory/belief that Bonner, if he worries the other team outside the arc so much that his man can’t play help defense in the paint, opens up the interior for Timmy/Tony/Manu and even RJ 2.0 to go to work. Even on nights Bon-bon’s triples aren’t falling.
I believed this was what happened during the 3rd quarter of the game against the Bulls.
:)
by day_late_friend on Nov 20, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. Splitter was prepared, and he brought it against the Cavs. I admire the way he performed, but it’s nothing less than what I expected from him…. he’s a special kind of player imho.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 5:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, the team won because Tim and Blair dominated inside and Tony won because he’s been stellar this season.
But that’s part of the reason why Pop stayed with Duncan and Blair. They both dominated inside. Pop seemed to stay with momentum. I didn’t think Bonner played that great, but he did ok despite his +/-
Also, because it was the first game of a back to back, I think he conserved the playing time. If it wasn’t a back to back, Splitter probably would have played.
I’m sure Splitter will play against Orlando as well.
Pop also knows that he has a few more games against the Jazz this season. He can utilize Splitter more at a later time vs a potential playoff opponent. Had the Spurs’ offense or defense been awful without Splitter, he could’ve gone to him at ay time. Fortunately it was never needed.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Shouldn’t be the other way around, given that Splitter is new and needs to get acclimated? We know what Matt Bonner brings, and can turn to him if the team needs floor spacing and someone to hit some 3s. Same could be said for McDyess.
Granted, I agree that it’s still early in the season, and hopefully Pop will phase Splitter in as the season progresses. I just hope we don’t see Splitter end up getting the George Hill treatment simply because Pop is enamored with the Red Rocket. Given the precedent, I think it’s ok to have a little bit of “appropriate fear”, as Pop likes to say.
It’s a balancing act though. Pop also needs to get guys like Hill (early struggles), Blair (early struggles) and Bonner (coming back from injury) up to speed since there are other guys who need to get their games going.
Splitter will definitely see more time as Timmy and Dice will see more time cut/DNPs.
82 games to get acclimated. Why overplay your hand in game eleven vs a conference opponent you’ll play again and may play in the playoffs? I’m thrilled that we dominated a team that swept us last season even though we went with almost the same guys from last season (swapping out Neal for RMJ and RJ 2.0 for his former self). Perhaps Pop wanted to see how the same cast did with improved execution.
Or, my idea may be way off base. Pop just wanted one rested big for the second night, knowing that he would limit Duncan’s minutes regardless of game score. He did it with Dyce last week and Splitter this time. It worked well, as they blew out the Jazz without Splitter, then dominated Cleveland with Splitter having a career night. Good coaching move.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Perhaps Pop wanted to see how the same cast did with improved execution.
Oooooo, great point. That would just be like CIA-Pop to do something like that. And you’re 100% right about the long season and not overplaying your hand against a team like Utah.
That said, it could be that Pop was making sure he had a rested big against the Cavs… it certainly worked out, Splitter had a breakout game against Cleveland.
The management of a team’s player’s minutes is an underrated coaching skill imho, and Pop is proving (again) to be a master of it. The depth and versatility that this edition of the Spurs has is a luxury, and while it may cause Pop some headaches to find enough PT for everyone to stay sharp, I have to wonder if it’s kinda fun for him at this point to be able to throw different rotations and five-man units at opposing teams to see if their coaches are able to come up with units that can counter the matchup problems the different Spurs ‘looks’ present.
A good indication of this might be to look for different players to shine each game, and for the team to have different ways to win (as they have been doing since the start of the season). When a team can beat you in so many different ways, it becomes a real problem for opposing teams, especially in the seven-game format of the playoffs.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 6:02 AM CST up reply actions
Good points. I also think that if the Big Three had not come to Pop to ask him to let them compete to win early-season games, he might be playing Splitter a bit more. But the games have been close, and the units on the floor been effective enough to get the job done, that it’s been difficult to find Tiago meaningful playing time. But it’s a long season, and he’ll get his opportunities for court time.
Can you imagine our predicament if we had gotten a sixth big, as many of us were lobbying for over the summer? If it weren’t someone like Fab who knows the system and doesn’t need time to acclimate (and also doesn’t complain about lack of PT), we’d be in a pickle. It would be even worse if the sixth big were a player who needed floor time for his development. It’s a good thing for Cooz (and the Spurs) that he can work on his again in Austin this year; a season on the Spurs’ bench would set him back.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 20, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Cousin has 40 points and 24 rebounds in Austin’s first two games. I’d think the FO might be wondering if they shouldn’t sign him to a roster spot soon (while assigning him to Austin) before another team grabs him.
If they’re worried about it, I think they’ll do it (just) before teams are able to sign players to 10-day contracts (early next year).
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions
this game worries me a bit also. Hopefully we get up big so the starters can rest because Monday is a big game versus Orlando
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Nov 20, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Big game against Orlando on Monday? I think you’re right, this one is a tarp. Anyone up for a little surfing?
Tarp surfing? It’ll never be an Olympic sport.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 20, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
“Maybe Pop is just giving him all of Splitters minutes so he will continue to improve.”
I think that’s exactly what Pop’s doing. If Blair were playing better, I think Pop would feel fine with giving Splitter more minutes. As it is, Duncan and McDyess are the only dependable posts we have right now. Blair is getting better, but pretty slowly. Frankly Splitter is the more polished of the two players, although not as Beastly.
Like a lot of Spurs fans, I am anxious to see both Splitter and Blair develop. But I think it’s going to take a little time, require patience and balance on Pop’s part, and have its ups and downs. If we were the Clippers, this would be a no-brainer: give them both lots of time on the floor in games. Fortunately, we’re the Spurs. We’re also 10 and 1. I imagine it’s a tough call to balance current success with future rewards, but I am glad we have these kinds of problems…
It makes sense from Pop’s perspective. I think he understands that Tiago is dependable and is giving the time to Blair to help him improve. Pop is clearly thinking long term here because if Blair is able to become more comfortable in his role, then come playoff time he should be able to help the team more. Pop has obviously seen all he needs to from Tiago and is using this opportunity to give him more rest.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
While you are waiting…
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"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Nov 20, 2010 2:38 PM CST reply actions
Stamp put this up @ 4:57 CST this morning in his recap.
by indiancharlie on Nov 20, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
didnt see it
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Nov 20, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
The moment I posted that I felt like a critical turd. Sorry about that.
by indiancharlie on Nov 20, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
It’s OK… we’re all critical t*rds here.
Exhibit 1: The Lexicon
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 21, 2010 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
Pop may do the counterintuitive and play TD tonight to ensure a victory against what should be a mediocre opponent and one where Timmeh shouldn’t take too much of a pounding and sit him out Monday against Orlando where DH has length, strength and athleticism. After all, a win counts the same at year’s end. Just a thought.
I expect this being the first home game after Tim setting his record (if you ignore ABA points), that Tim would play long enough so that he is introduced as a starter.
It often seems to me that some games stay close due to the starters being in the game, which results in them staying in the game due to its closeness. It also seems like the rotations often result in 2-3 starters in the game with different sets of reserves, so that the reserves as a platoon do not get that much of an opportunity to play together. I’m hoping that tonight’s game will give a chance for some big minutes for the reserves to play together while protecting/extending a lead.
Honestly, that’s how it’s going to be when the roster gets tighter. There’ll always be a starter with some of the bench players.
Hill is not a PG and needs a Manu/Parker with him for the most part. And up front, you’ll want a starter. Although Blair might eventually be in the 2nd unit so it’ll be interesting to see how it fits up front.
Yeah, we’ll definitely see Tim in the first and the third, at minimum he’ll get 20 or 25 minutes I think
With Blair’s early struggles I thought Tiago would start taking some of his minutes. I still think Tiago should. Tim, Tiago and Dice are our most complete bigs and are by far the better defenders all things considered. Blair and Bonner are specialty players. They have a unique skill set but when Blair isn’t getting offensive rebounds or Bonner’s shot isn’t falling there seems no reason for either of them to be playing over any of the other three bigs. Tim and Dice are up in age so their minutes need to be watched carefully but Tiago is young and we’re going to need his size against the Lakers. I don’t understand why Pop is not playing Tiago. I mean he hasn’t even dunked that much…
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
Blair was struggling in general. He matches up well against the Jazz. Against the Bulls, he did not. However, it is early in the season and the goal is to get him to a comfortable level. He is very young.
With Tiago, he’s just coming off an injury and has played all year. Spurs have had bad luck with guys who played all year long. I think it’s a combination of getting guys like Bonner and Blair into the system and utilizing Splitter.
The minutes for Duncan and Dice are still reasonable actually. With that said, I expect Splitter to play and also see Dice and Duncan sit a lot if not the full game.
Pop will play Timmy, hopefully push a lead and then rest him later.
My theory regarding Splinters two DNPs: Pop wanted to go with more “knowns” the last two games vs relatively tough opponents. While er all know Pops tendency to go for long term over immediate wins, I don’t think he’s ignoring the affect of this early streak on the teams confidense, especially for the new kids. Continued wins raises the bar for them to come out and perform at a high level. Splinter, in his limited minutes thus far, has seemed to be a bit almost hesitant at times, or pensive (shades of RJ1.0?). Pop benches him the last two to give him some time to watch and learn, and hopefully fire him up a bit to come out more aggressive when he returns. So he will return tonight, at home vs what should be an easier opponent.
The Chicago game at first I was wondering about no-Splitter like everyone else, but then yesterday at Utah again, and I think I figured it out, and it now makes sense. Splinter missed most of the first two weeks. When he returned he just didn’t look ready at times. Pop is doing what needs to be done.
Complemented this, Blair, already relatively proven, was able to get more minutes to improve. And when Blair was getting abused, Bonner got the minutes to go crazy FTW at OKC, continuing vs Chicago.
To conclude, Timmy will come out to play, and get an ovation for his scoring/games milestone, limited minutes, and Splinter will return tonight to begin easing his way into the hopefully more permanent rotation.
Or I could be wrong, Pop could totally not do this. You know, just to spite me. In which case, he’d still be right.
If you’re a casual boxing fan this fight might thrust you into becoming a hard core fan like myself. Sergio Martinez (Argintine dream boat) vs. Paul Williams tonight. It’s a rematch of what was a fight of the year last year in my opinion. It will be on HBO and should start just about when The SPURS game ends so it’s going to be a great sports night. What do you say Cap? Excited as I am for this one?
"It's Manuway or the Highway" - tlo
It also has the Pacquiao replay. This should be a helluva fight. The first one was a doozy; plus, both of these guys are seriously skilled boxers. After putting in over 50 hours of overtime that last two weeks, it’s been nice getting reacquainted with sports today. I’m really looking forward to actually watching the Spurs tonight.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
Line is 10 and a half for SA… the only cause for worry, for me, is that they beat us without Lebron last year. Varejao usually plays good defense on Timmy, but I think all in all we’ll be fine
Cap, you’re one sick puppy. I love you. Thanks for the preview.
I’m pooped after 6 hours of paintball, but I’ll be around tonight.
I smell death... everywhere.
I love you too, LD. However, Big50 did tonight’s stellar preview. I did last night’s crap preview that didn’t give Timmeh the outright spur. ;)
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
I expect Splitter to play 20+ minutes if he’s not in foul trouble. Pop usually rest one big man on the first night of a b2b so that he’s fresh the second might. Last Saturday it was Dyce who barely played before playing more on Sunday.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Please Pop, get me all hot and bothered, play Tiago 30 minutes tonight !
[ "Duncan, the Spurs' 34-year-old captain, was aghast when Splitter told him he used to watch him as a kid."]
"I didn't enjoy that at all," Duncan said
Wow, sorry about the 3x post. It kept showing my post not there, so I kept trying again.
Someone with god powers want to erase the doubles?
Let’s Do Dis Chit!
"Sometimes the Spurs make you play ugly. That's just the way they are." - Gary Bender
Feels like a TARP. But we got Green from these Cavs, so I think we have the insider’s edge… if the Spurs are behind by double-digits going into half-time, CIA Pop will start Green in the 3rd quarter and he’ll have a monster game against his former team.
No, really. :)
Would like to see more Splitter, but I’m not worried. As others have mentioned, it’s difficult to find meaningful minutes for all 5 bigs. We’re lucky to be in the position of having 5 quality big men that deserve more playing time than is available in a regulation 48 minutes.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
Mike Monroe: ...the uninformed presume Parker is expendable.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Nov 20, 2010 6:51 PM CST reply actions
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