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Revisiting the Roster

In the course of putting together the Get to Know Your New Spurs posts, I had to make some assumptions.  Understandable, as no basketball had actually been played yet.  But now, we're mostly through the preseason and those assumptions need to be revisited.

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The Spurs have an interesting mix of old and new this year, and I'm not just talking about age.  If you believe the lineups used during preseason, Pop has settled on a starting five.  Except for the game in Pittsburgh, where everyone and their dog was playing MarioParty at Timmeh's house, the starting lineup has been Timmeh, Tony, Manu, DeJuan, and RJ.  Which leads me to believe that Pop isn't going to rock the boat come games that count.  (Yes, I know that when you "assume" you make an ass out of u and me, but at this point in my life, I'm okay with that.)  So, with only two games left that doesn't matter, here's my assessment of what the roster that will be.

Frontcourt

I'm grouping all the PFs and Cs together, because realistically it doesn't matter if anyone listed here is a PF or C (in my heart, Timmeh, you are always a PF and will always be the GOATPUFF.)  At this point, we have 5 guys for the PF and C positions: Timmeh, Dice, Blair, Bonner and Tiago.  The amazine part about this group is the ability to mix and match.  Other than Bon-Bon (who should never, ever play the 5 hole), the rest of the big guys should be able to switch positions based upon who's on the court.

Tim Duncan - Yes, he's getting old, but Timmeh's still pulled a double-double in the last two preseason games.  He's not dead yet, and opponents will underestimate him at their own peril.  The only PF I'd put ahead of Duncan is Pau Gasol (and yes, that hurt to type).

Antonio McDyess - The resident old fart of the Spurs still has game.  He may not play a lot of minutes during the season, but his jumper will come in handy during the playoffs.  He's the perfect foil to Tiago, Timmeh and Blair.  Veteran savvy at its best.

Matt Bonner - Matty is what he is - a stretch 4 who shouldn't ever play with Blair.  I think Mr. Sandwich will mesh well with Mr. Splitter, adding to his impressive +/-, even though it might cause Fred's head to explode.  Let's hope he actually comes through in the playoffs.

Tiago Splitter - Even though he hasn't played a lot (read: any) during preseason, Tiago is a true Center who should play well with others.  As Splitter gets into the scheme of things, I see him anchoring the middle like D-Rob used to, at least on defense.  Please don't disappoint me (or c_deck).

DeJuan Blair - The surprise of the preseason!  DeBeast has shown some new shots in the arsenal (thanks Chip).  He's even guarded Yao.  We (PtR) discussed your possible sophomore year improvement, but no one envisioned this!  Forgive our ignorance.  The undersized brick has the ability to do whatever the hell he wants.  Screw ACLs and the horse they rode in on!

Small Forward

Some of you might wonder why I made SF a separate entry - I'm hoping that RJ doesn't play any PF this year, as last year's small ball sucks.  We don't need more small ball, although Anderson could play the 2 in a pinch.

Richard Jefferson - RJ, I love that you gave up portions of your summer to work with the coaches.  I love that you're not content with your play last year.  However, I'm at the Show Me stage of our relationship.  Prove me wrong.  Make me eat crow.  That would make me happy.

James Anderson - You've done me proud.  I won't have to shoot the naysayers with my Nerf Gun.  You've made the team based upon your defensive effort and your ability to play the big(ger) 3rd guard.  Now, stop deferring to the old farts and start shooting the darn ball!  ORANGE POWER!

Bobby Simmons - Seriously, you're on the team due to your "veteran savvy".  That's not a good thing.  Stop eating the muffins, get into shape and help Mr. Anderson become a future All-Star.  JV can tell you how it's done.

Backcourt

Tony Parker - The Blur is back.  Tony wants to stay a Spur - I say we keep him.  Not playing international ball did TP a world of good - he totally obliterated the Euros.  All you need to do now is talk to Eva about a little TP, so that our Spurs in 20 years have a PG.

George Hill - This has been a down preseason for Georgeous.  Regardless, Hill's place on the team is secure, and the female species breathes a unified sigh.  But dude, you need to at least hit the corner pockets.

Manu Ginobili - Manu is Manu.  Spending the summer changing diapers has been good for his legs.  I can understand why Argentines wished he had played at the WC, but as a Spurs fan, I'm ecstatic that he's raring to go.

Gary Neal - Well, you've reinforced the gunner stereotype.  Instant offense it is.  And you've decided to play some D along the way.  Towson is proud and welcome back stateside.

Garrett Temple- Smooth personified needs to get a kick in the rear.  Temple has the ability to dominate two positions, but he needs to believe in himself first.  Right now, Garrett, you're the HVC and that's not a good thing.

Others

I hate to list these guys under "Others", but that's what they are.  I don't anticipate RC and Pop keeping more than 13 players on the roster, especially considering the new D-League allocation rules.

I love Jerrells' aggressiveness, but he's not going to be the 4th PG.  Gee's athleticism would be a boon, but unless he improves his jump shot, Pop is going to say No.  Coo-zahn has some serious potential, and I see him as a possible 6th big.  Use your time at the Toros to learn the system, big fella!.  Sign the D-League contract and you'll be called up this year.  The GIST I have no idea.  Seriously.  He has great energy and hustle, but doesn't seem to be on the Spurs radar.  I don't blame him (or Jerrells) for chasing the Euros if they are cut from the Spurs.  Update:  The trade of Jerrells doesn't change my thoughts in any way, but we can all wish him well.

Starting Lineup

So, to summarize, this is where things stand:

C: DeBeast

PF: Timmeh (although he's probably the C on defense)

SF: Rage

SG: The Sickness

PG: Wee Frenchman

Second Unit

(Still up in the air, but I'm giving it my best guess, so don't hold Pop's wine-influenced lineups against me.)

C:Tiago (still needs a nickname)

PF: Dice/MudButt

SF: Anderson

SG: The Nail

PG: Georgeous

Obviously, Temple will play somewhere.  I hope Simmons doesn't, but that might just be me.  Tell me where I'm wrong in the comments, and I might acknowledge your brilliance (although not likely).

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Excellent revisit. I’m ready for the season now

Biggest coach Pop/Tiago Splitter homer on the internet™

by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Oct 17, 2010 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Really great assumptions!
I can’t wait for this season to start…
Still holding on to that outside chance of Big Cous making the team (still really high on him).

¡VamoSpurs! - me.

by Iullaby on Oct 17, 2010 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Crossing the line from “looking forward” to “PUMPED” in 3… 2… 1…
(And I love that the MarioParty line made a reappearance.)

by DrumsInTheDeep on Oct 17, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Whenever Pop sits one of the Big 3 (or Dice) during a BABA, I’m totally pulling out the MarioParty line. It’s better than “Hey Pop, why did you sit Timmeh and Manu?”. “Because they’re old and the Raptors stink.”

With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.

by CapHill on Oct 17, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerrells just traded to NOOCH for a 2nd round pick. Interesting maneuver; who knows if there are any more imminent?

"He has an innate ability of putting the damn ball in the hole." - Pop on Ginobili

by ZeusVizzle on Oct 17, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Oct. 26th is the deadline for getting rosters down to (at most) 15 players, so I imagine we’ll hear of additional cuts this week.

With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.

by CapHill on Oct 18, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had been a bit surprised with the contract the Spurs signed Bonner to. I think it shows their interest in spreading the defense. While Dice can help in that regards, it doesn’t seem to be one of Blair’s strong suits yet. I won’t be surprised if Dice doesn’t wind up in the starting lineup yet, though he seems unlikely to start for long stretches. Can’t wait to see how Tiago does.

by Alamo on Oct 17, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Very likely line ups. I am concerned that the second unit could be very inconsistent. Neal is new to the NBA but at least he has experience, but Andersons a rookie and some inconsistency is to be expected. Bonner doesn’t always have a hot shooting nite. Should be interesting, but I am going to try to keep my expectations in check.

by Spurlady on Oct 17, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

i’m still sticking with my offseason line up

Splitter, Duncan, Jefferson, Hill, Parker

Blair, McDyess, Anderson, Ginobili, Temple

11th and 12th are still whatever.

i like the idea of having Bobby Simmons on the roster because he’s been in the league for 10 years. He’s not a rookie or inexperienced like most of our bench is. Problem is, he sucks. He’s taking minutes from Gee who gets easy baskets and rebounds on sheer jumping ability.

Gist, Cousin, Neal show me nothing.

by r21x on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I still keep Splitter as a starter/closer. I also think Anderson is taller than 6’6", so he fits in perfectly as a SF.

by Tim C. on Oct 17, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Tiago will end up starting sometime this year, but I don’t think he’s going to right off the bat.

Everyone keeps saying that Anderson looks bigger than 6’6" – it’s good to know that he probably won’t be pushed around.

With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.

by CapHill on Oct 18, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect recap, lady. And the rotation looks balanced, smooth, streamlined. No confusion in my mind that it’s right. Now work, dammit! WORK!

I smell death... everywhere.

by LatinD on Oct 17, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Great article. You’re right to spend the most ink on the frontcourt since there are so many possible combinations. I dare say there will be competition involved once everybody’s healthy and the games matter.

One item:

Matty is what he is – a stretch 4 who shouldn’t ever play with Blair.

Don’t be so sure. Sounds crazy but it worked reliably. Here’s why

Matt’s in the game for one play. That play doesn’t even involve him (most of the time).

Duncan or Blair sets a screen for the ball handler and immediately rolls to the basket in the space created. The opponent is basically screwed now. Duncan, Blair, Parker, Ginobili – these guys are A or A+ at screen and roll.

Screwed unless they can cheat using a-the guy defending the guy in the corner (not happening, several Spurs can make that shot) or b-the guy way out on the middle of the court, defending (probably) Matt Bonner.

Nobody else on the team last year can make non-corner threes, especially if we’re using our three-point shooters in the screen and roll. Cheat now and you haven’t escaped anything.

Matt in with the starters makes the SnR more stressful on defenses. Matt in with Blair, Manu and the bench allows you to continue running the SnR with the available help pinned down, even if your other shooters go all Bogans on you.

by greyberger on Oct 18, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Very good points about the offense. But the reason I stated that had to do with defense, not offense. Even though Blair has improved defensively this offseason, and Matty still tries hard, with both on the floor, Matty often gets stuck guarding the C position, and the interior defense becomes matadorian. I’m not saying it won’t ever work, but that defensive pairing wasn’t good last year.

With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.

by CapHill on Oct 18, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect recap! Pop surprised me a lot with the starting lineup, but I like it.

"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"

by Chilai on Oct 18, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with your roster, Cap, although I’m not yet sold on the third string SF going to Simmons. With the trade of Curtis and Pop’s desire to limit the roster to 13, the last three cuts (if it’s Gee, Gist & Cousin) can be relegated to the D-League.

by TD21 on Oct 18, 2010 2:26 AM CDT reply actions  

All you need to do now is talk to Eva about a little TP, so that our Spurs in 20 years have a PG

Why not a little Tiago in the future as well?

Little TP + Gino twins (hope they grow up enough to play the SF/SG spot) + little Timmy + one of D-Rob’s sons + little Tiago off the bench= monster line-up.

Yo, I’m 6-11, but I just want to dribble through my legs and shoot jumpshots like a guard. - Marc Blucas on Tim Duncan

by TDzilla! on Oct 18, 2010 3:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Don’t forget the Bowens either.

With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.

by CapHill on Oct 18, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does the Iceman have a grandson?
And…the JV has a son right? we need someone to be the “prototypical backup point guard”

"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"

by Chilai on Oct 18, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Jerrells’ aggressiveness, but he’s not going to be the 4th PG.

Good call Cap. Looks like the Spurs FO read your recap and acted on it.

Lauri: thank goodness I have you magnificent bastards to waste [the offseason] with.

by swgeek on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Looking at Cap’s list, all five have some experience running the point. Overcrowded? Yeah.

by TD21 on Oct 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great analysis btw Cap. PtR is on fire again – some great stuff on here, I need to camp out more and soak in the magic.

Lauri: thank goodness I have you magnificent bastards to waste [the offseason] with.

by swgeek on Oct 18, 2010 3:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Why do you keep being the voice of reason, Cap? Everyone damn well knows Pop is toying with us, even in the preseason :)

Seriously though, I like how the rotation is shaping up to be. Hopefully no major injuries occur and we keep our stars fresh for come spring time.

"A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s what happens while you wait for moments that will never come." - Lester Freamon, The Wire

by silverandblack_davis on Oct 18, 2010 6:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Right on Cap. Just for fun, I flipped Anderson and Manu and a great explosion took place.

by indiancharlie on Oct 18, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Great stuff CapHill.

Does anyone know if Tiago is playing tonight?

by SaSleepless on Oct 18, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

That sucks. Hasn’t been 10 days already? He missed: open practice, rockets game, miami, clippers, cavs, his old team.

I do want him to be 100%, but damn it, I wanna see him twin towering with Tim already.

by SaSleepless on Oct 18, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 10-day time frame was just a waiting period for the Spurs to determine his status.

by Tim C. on Oct 18, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Jerrells plays well out there in New Orleans besides us. Hopefully Manu will come off the bench and we will start Andersen or Hill. I like Manu being with the second unit because he gives them a scoring boost.

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Oct 18, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

anyone have a mins breakdown by player for the 4/5 positions?

by FreshmakerDTM on Oct 21, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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