Spurs vs Clippers "Juego en Mexico" Quick-cap and Observations
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 9:46 AM CDT
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PrintMany thanks to the NBA for providing us with the best broadcast duo in the history of sports; Bob Neal and Steve Smith. For those of you who couldn't catch the game (or were forced to watch the feed via ESPN Deportes), allow me to sum up the experience of listening to these two commentary prodigies.
Take a small piece of jagged wood, shove it into one of your ear canals, and then repeatedly smash the side of your head against a wall for several hours.
Make the jump while I clean the blood out of my ears.
Although I believe the commentators were exploring the intricacies of a different universe, there was a game played at Palacio de los Deportes last night. Its just a damn shame the Spurs decided not to show up until the third quarter.
The first score for LAC, a spectacular Davis to Griffin alley-oop dunk, took roughly three seconds to manufacture. Add several more LAC highlight dunks along with some hot 3PT shooting late in the first half (6/10) and its easy to see how the Clips held a lead as high as 18 points. The Clips took advantage of a sloppy Spurs defense (slow rotations and poor communication) and stayed aggressive throughout the entire night. Fortunately for Spurs fans, Griffin and Co. became too aggressive.
The Clippers held a 17 point lead with three minute remaining in the third quarter. Errant passes, rushed shots, and other mental errors allowed the Spurs to find an offensive rhythm. The third quarter ended on a 13-2 Spurs run, 80 - 74.
Three 3PT shots helped Los Angeles slow a Spurs early 4th quarter attack lead by Jerrells and Duncan. Blair, who had a stellar game on the offensive end, came up with two jumpers to put the Spurs up 93 - 89 with about five minutes remaining. The Clippers aggressiveness at the basket, even with a few bonehead plays, tied the game up 95-95 with under two minutes remaining. A clutch Simmons 21 ft jumper from the corner put the Spurs up with just 31 seconds to go.
Then it gets a little strange.
On the Clippers next possession, Hill takes a swipe at the ball during a Gordon drive and is whistled for a shooting foul. Hill also receives a Technical for reacting in disbelief (he ran halfway across the court) to the shooting foul. Hill fouls out and Foye sinks the free throw to cut the Spurs lead to 1 point. Gordon proceeds to miss both free throws but a poor job of boxing out (or a shove by Kaman) leads to a Kaman rebound and easy layup. Neal misses a 3PT opportunity and forces the Spurs to foul in order to have another offensive possession. Gomes misses the second free throw attempt, the Spurs call a timeout, and Manu draws up the last play for the Spurs who are down 97 - 99.
The last play in detail: With Anderson sitting in the near corner, Jerrells in-bounds the ball to Neal at the top of the 3PT line. Jerrells drifts towards Anderson leaving Blair the only Spurs player on the far side of the court. Neal then lobs the pass to Simmons who is posting up at the near elbow of the free throw line. Neal then immediately cuts towards a Blair screen at the top of the key. Simmons passes the ball over and behind Blair's head to Neal who proceeds to hit an unbalanced 3PT shot.
Spurs win 100 - 99.
Spurs players of the game:
1. DeJuan Blair: 21 PTS on 10/17 shooting, 6 REB, 2 AST, and 2 STL. Pure energy. His passing has really improved.
2. Curtis Jerrells: 11 PTS on 4/6 shooting including 1-1 from 3PT. Had 3 AST, 1 STL, and was great late in the game. He had a beautiful turn-around hook/tear drop in the 4th quarter.
3. Tim Duncan: 17 PT, 13 REB, 3 BLKS, 3 AST, 2 STL. Played way too many minutes (28:38).
Honorable Mention: Manu Ginobili (great job, coach)
Other Spurs notes: Gee did not play (coach's decision) and Gist didn't even break a minute which does not bode well for either player. Simmons looked lost on offense several times but played well on the defensive end. Anderson didn't make an impact on the offensive end but showed good hustle on defense towards the end of the game. I really can't get a proper read on this kid (time will tell). Neal made his only shot in the last seconds of the game but was excellent on the defensive end. He deserved more than 9:32 minutes in this game. Cousin was solid but let several inside passes get behind him. I think we will see him called up a few times during the regular season. Dice (NWT) and Splitter (foot) had the night off.
Last note: The Clippers are a dangerous team but will most likely lose more games than they should because of their reckless aggressiveness. They will see a big jump in their win total from a year ago but will still struggle against smart defensive minded teams like the Lakers, Jazz, and Blazers. Griffin is an offensive and rebounding monster. He needs to expand his outside game a bit and focus more on post defense (pretty decent on help defense).
Sorry for the hack job. I wrote this in small segments while at work.
EDIT: I know "Juego en Mexico" is incorrect. Thus the quotations.
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I’m thinking the commentators must have been sitting somewhere with a somewhat obscured view. Either that or they had a few drinks before the game, because they had no idea what was going on half the time.
I think the commentators were in New Jersey watching the feed.
by doggydogworld on Oct 13, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Some negative points
While Blair put up some nice looking numbers, I can’t help but wonder if the usual offense was sputtering because of his presence? I’d like to see what a shot chart would look like. The first “jump shot” made by Blair in the play-by-play was from about 3’. I’m not sure what the two late jump shots he made looked like, as by then I was switching channels to catch the mining rescue.
Tony had a couple of layup attempts when pushing the ball up the court, but otherwise it did not seem either he or Manu was driving into the lane much. Tim briefly looked dominant inside early in the 4th Qtr, while Bonner was in for Blair. Early in the game RJ got open for a drive to the basket, but Blair’s man was there to prevent him from scoring while fouling him. Blair was supposed to work this summer to improve his outside game, he looked like no threat whatsoever outside the key. Will opponents be able to stick a big defender on him to completely clog the lane for others?
It seemed as though the Clippers early in the game were taking advantage of their height advantage on Blair. Griffith’s Alley Oop dunk followed a Blair missed shot where Griffith seemed to easily outrace Blair back down the court. I believe the Spurs tried using a zone to help compensate for Blair’s shortcomings on defense.
I was thinking part of the reason Duncan played so many minutes late in the game was to test how he worked with Bonner vs. with Blair. The other reason was Tiago out injured, and Dice given the night off. Shouldn’t there be more of a priority of getting Tim rest than Dice? Is he only playing in home games this year? As I’ve heard Dice say many times how complicated the Spurs system was for him to pick up, why isn’t he out there a bit more at this point?
Tiago pretty much needs to live up to expectations for the Spurs to have much of a chance at a title. While still early, the other newcomers are still “promising” and have not yet had much impact. The surprise for me has been Jerrells. He has looked to be the most competent guard off the bench at running the show. None of the other guards off the bench have shown much this preseason, Jerrells may have earned himself a roster spot.
George Hill was supposed to have worked on his 3 point shot from spots other than the corner this summer and many were projecting him to be the starter at SG. Coming into the game 0-6 in FG attempts, he went 2-10 (1-5 from 3pt range).
It’s hard to figure what is going on with Gee, who for the second time had a DNP. Has he played so poorly in practices that he doesn’t deserve a chance to show what he can do in games? The others haven’t exactly outperformed him during their time in games. I keep wondering if there is a trade in the works where someone wants him and they don’t want him injured.
Blair had two shots from outside 10 ft (13 & 18). Several other of his shots started from about 12-15ft away. The man can get to the basket but most of his scoring comes from second chances and inside cuts.
Pop has been experimenting with zone the last few years to compensate for the defensive weaknesses across the board. We don’t have the same talent to play hard-nosed man-to-man as in years past. The biggest problems in last nights game were positioning and communication. Blair’s size wasn’t much of an issue.
None of the other guards off the bench have shown much this preseason, Jerrells may have earned himself a roster spot.
I agree.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone see Blair do his Timmeh impersonation? I could swear I saw a bank shot and-1, and had to do a double take when I realized who had done it.
saw it and cried.
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Oct 13, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Was able to watch the game again, and Blair’s longer jump shots in the 4th quarter didn’t look too bad, especially the one he made. Earlier in the game Griffith seemed able to stay close to the basket to help on Tim. He stayed fairly close to Blair on the shot he made with 6:20 to go. He’ll be great if he can simply make a few of those each game to go with the rest of his game.
Too early to tell. So far I haven’t noticed anything glaringly wrong with Timmeh and Blair side by side. On the contrary, I think Blair has been using his quickness advantage quite to his benefit. The slow start yesterday was a result of ‘zone’ usage by our guys. Everyone looked lost trying to play zone and the Clips moved the ball well.
Did anyone else notice that Blair was releasing the ball too quickly? for some of the shots he took, it looked as if he was tossing it out there real quick even when away from the basket. This works when he rebound and tip it in, but from a distance, he may need to be more patient. He said in an interview that he is learning to be patient from Tim
Given his height, or lack thereof, DeJuan would have to be quicker with his release than most players. I think it’s just something he’s accustomed to at this point.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
fado, Blair’s shot to make it 91-88 (around 6 min left in the 4th) was a 17 footer from the elbow, and it looked like he barely flicked his wrist to let it go. To call it a quick shot would be a gross understatement. It was a smooth release, very compact, and over as soon as it started.
You can see it here at 53 seconds. If he can make 4 out of 10 of those this year, I’ll be ecstatic.
The point with intangibles is that no one can see them.
I think what you are referring to is Blair’s version of Tony’s tear drop. Blair has been trying to do the tear drop from the free throw line and so far it hasn’t gone in in any of the games I think. But the idea is the super quick release and catching the defender off guard to get off a reasonably high percentage shot(at least in Tony’s case).
It's Griffin
I think Hill looked a lot better at setting up the offense than he has previously, and I think down the stretch he will be a great 3 point threat. He’s penetration will also be much improved this year from what I’ve seen.
I think once Tiag shows up so will our defense. Without McDyess in there as another legitimate defender we’ve been seeing a lot of Bonner and Blair, sometimes at the same time. This isn’t exactly a defensive minded unit. Once we get Tiago in there to relieve his Tim Kness, we will see a very solid second unit that can pick up stops and get a good half court game going.
Hopefully our guards will pick up their play and stop the lackluster shooting. Neither Manu, Tony, Hill, Temple, or Anderson have been dominate in the preseason. Toss RJ into that category as well as he could always use some improvement. We can give TP and Ginobili a break cause they are proven, but consistency from Hill and RJ is something we will need to see more of. Temple, previously a favorite of mine, looked timid out there last night. His D wasn’t spectacular and he could not run the offense.
Jerrells, on the other hand, just made the team imo. He was quick and constantly active on bothe ends of the floor. He looked fearless and when he had the ball on the offensive end I trusted his decision making. I think this kid is a solid back up to the point, a position that has been somewhat in question after Hill has been on the roster. Giving Jerrells this spot opens it up for Hill to be a scoring two guard off the bench, and allows us to have a very quick backcourt off the bench. Plus he’s a lefty with flair!
As far as gee goes I hope some sort of trade is still in the works. The three postion is such a weak spot for us, I don’t think I can stomach so much peanut over the course of the season. I had hopes RJ would be better, but I don’t think we are going to be very accomidating to his playing style so I don’t see him excelling with us this year. Solid competition at the three would be nice, but so far Anderson looks timid and Booby looks old.
Neal’s play put a smile on my face, and I love the fact that he was able to step in there and take that shot. If he can get some swagger to his game and start knocking down shots off of screens, he’ll be a superb role player.
All in all I couldn’t be more excited for the season to be over. Let’s get a look at splitter and finalize this roster. Go Spurs GO!
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Oct 13, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Griffin
My error. Must be something about him that reminds me of Andy Griffith and the town of Mayberry. He looks like he could play the part of a grown-up Opie Taylor better than Ron Howard.
+1
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice recap with I will disagree on only one thing: the jazz and blazers are not that good defensively. They are about average
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Utah was about the 10th best defense last season. They were one of the best in causing turnovers (4th in steals) and they improved their perimeter defense over the off-season. We’ll have to see what Al can do in the place of Boozer.
When healthy, Portland is very tough inside. Batum is also a good perimeter defender (team was 6th best in opponent 3PT percentage last year). This has to do more with pace but Portland also had the 3rd best opponent ppg avg last season too.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Utah’s D shouldn’t be as strong as it was last season. They definitely improved offensively, but went down defensively with some of their changes.
Utah’s D shouldn’t be as strong as it was last season.
Explain.
The only real question mark is Al. He has shown he can be solid defender but has disappeared at times. How will he react to Sloan and a more disciplined team? He is not as good of a rebounder or scorer as Boozer but Al is a bigger presence on defense (in the paint) and a better blocker.
Raja Bell is a great replacement to Brewer (another good defender) and the only question on Hayward is if/how his athleticism (or lack thereof ) will hinder him on defense. He is an incredibly smart player on both ends of the floor but you need much more than that to be a successful defender in the NBA.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 14, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Utah is a top 10 defensive team, so I will concede that they are good defensively (not great). But Portland always sucked on defense, their glaciar pace fools everyone
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
They were 13th overall in defense efficiency last season. Considering how injury riddled they were (and most likely will be again ), that isn’t too bad.
They are smarter than average defensive team and that is basically all you need to shut down LAC. That and at least half of your players not dressed in suits.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 15, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Big Al for one. More often than not he’s disappeared on the defensive end. Even though Boozer wasn’t a great defender, he was quicker and used that to his advantage.
Bell is definitely a good piece to bring back with the loss of Brewer. But he’s not as young as he used to be. Brewer would at this point in time be the better option, if you were looking at pure defensive prowess.
That doesn’t stop Utah from still being a top defensive team (due to Sloan), but I don’t believe that it’ll be as strong as it was last season.
+1 for “due to Sloan”
And yes, I agree with your points about Utah’s personnel changes.
Hey, if posting a sharp, insightful, yet non-sarcastic comment were that easy, even olf would do it.
by freshtunarightofftheboat on Oct 15, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I was concerned by Hill’s, Manu’s and RJ’s clangfest. They combined for 5 of 23 shooting or 22 percent. It won’t matter how well the newbies or others do if 3 of the first 6 on the floor don’t produce better than that.
My main fear is Hill’s performance. I know Manu can pick it up, and RJ well.. RJ, not expecting much from him although I like him and I think he will rebound down the road.
I hope his performance does not drop this year. There are many players who play great one year, then drop. Simmons is an example. Won Most improved, then went bunk. Hill was second runner up to Most Improved.
The other surprise is Neil and Anderson’s performance. I thought we counted on those two as excellent lights out shooters. I think they will rebound, but will they be consistent?
I agree Jerrell is standing out as a better unasigned player. Will he take temple’s spot?
So far Simmon, Gee, and Gist seem to be the cuts.
The best thing about that game is two NBA teams played in Mexico and nobody got kidnapped. Everyone’s a winner.
Asked before the game how Parker has looked, Popovich said, "He’s still cute. "
+1 – i am sure security was extra tight
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Oct 13, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My gosh, but Mexico is having some rough times. I have never felt scared to visit Mexico until these last couple of years. Man, oh man.
A head of a government employee was recently found at Falcon Lake.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone noticed any explanation of why Dice has been given off both road games while Tiago is still out injured?
Though he wouldn’t seem to need to earn a spot, it did seem like he needed some work himself on meshing in the system. If he continues to be a NWT status on road games, Cousin will need to stick around.
Dice is fine…let the man rest. Remember how he played in playoff’s against Dirk. He is fine…trust me…:)
Keep the faith!!
What I was trying to remember about Dice is whether or not it had been said if he is available to play the next game. I can recall hearing that Splitter would not. I expect he’ll get a lot of rest during the regular season when all the other bigs are healthy. If he needs to be rested when the Spurs are short a big due to injury, it could be they actually will need a 6th big.
Did anyone catch the explaination for RJ’s suckatude on offense and Bonner’s complete-lack-of-defense-while-getting-facialed-multiple-times?
I didn’t either.
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
You referring to Jordan’s slam (replayed multiple times) when Matt didn’t get over quick enough after Blair walked away from him while he was in the key and his hand in the air?
yeah, that was one of the facials – explained. I suppose the other one and the wide open threes were missed rotations.
As far as RJ goes…….?
"The A-Train deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame damnit. Highest field goal percentage EVER"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilmoar01.html
by Joe deLarios on Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Well there was one when you might blame Matt for not boxing out well enough, the others looked to me that he was following his rotation and a missed coverage.
Suckatude likely covers RJ as well as anything, though I didn’t notice much of a problem with his shot selection. Next time he plays they might all fall.
oh and btw…
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Oct 13, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Oct 13, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
all around fail…
Hey, I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule.
by UkraineIsGame2u on Oct 13, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bobby Simmons completely sucked on defensive rotations. A lot of open shots came from his late rotations. I remember guys had to make up for his mistakes. Other than that, this was a solid game all around for the team.
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I agree but damn near everyone sucked on the rotations. I liked what he did when he was on somebody though. Good but not enough to earn minutes on this team.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
or “should not be good enough” anyways…
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw, come on. The announcers were not that bad. I actually thought Smith had a lot of good basketball insights.
But this is rather subjective. You know who I can’t stand, and I may be alone on this one: Verne Lundquist. I know. He looks like a harmless, chubby little gnome. But his voice voice and his corny commentary make me shudder. If I am assigned to some lower circle of Hell, Verne Lundquist will be my eternal, jovial narrator.
by quincyscott on Oct 13, 2010 4:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
See, I was so distraught, I typed “voice” twice.
by quincyscott on Oct 13, 2010 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i’m an SEC guy, so i’ve just kind of gotten used to him. He seems to get most all of Bama’s games on the SEC network/CBS.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Oct 13, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell me about it. Last week Alabama was getting pummeled by South Carolina in the fourth quarter. Danielson was giving us lots of long silent pauses, like he’d just lost a bet. And Santa Verne was still preparing us for the Tide comeback, long after that game was all but decided.
Ok. I’m letting it go. Deep breath. I’m sure Verne Lundquist is a wonderful human being, and I do have a mute button.
We WERE getting pummeled, but we made it a game for about 5 minutes in the third quarter before we got put away again. In all honesty, it looked a lot like the Arkansas game which we came back and won.
I seriously thought we were going to pull off the comeback until we tried the fake field goal. That was the end of the game right there.
Rim Rockin' Red Rocket -silverandblack_davis
by SpursfanSteve on Oct 13, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No one, and I mean NO ONE, can approach the college announcing travesty that is one Craig James.
To quote Hirschof:
Take a small piece of jagged wood, shove it into one of your ear canals, and then repeatedly smash the side of your head against a wall for several hours.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
James is pretty bad. But he’s no worse than say Phil Simms. Most ex-players suck in the booth. But I think the best college color commentator right now is Matt Millen. He knows every facet of the game really well, his observations are insightful, he isn’t mean or condescending, he isn’t full of fluff. He takes the games seriously and does his research on those specific teams, unlike a lot of these guys who just sound as though they’re going through the motions.
I have a soft spot for James because when I was sixteen he caught a little screen pass and ran it for a sixty-four yard touchdown right in front of me and my dad at Memorial Stadium. The Pony Express.
On the flip side, I really like Rich Gannon as a sports commentator.
I also find the backup Monday night football crew of Mike Golic and Mike Greenberg to be really enjoyable. Because its just listening to two regular guys talk about the game. They don’t talk down to the fans or spew out any cheesy half-hearted lines.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Oct 13, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as new and/or young players go, I am very enthused by Anderson. I know the stats are not impressive, but I just have a feeling he is going to be special, this season. Maybe I’m just drinking the preseason Kool-ade. Damn, how do you spell Kule-aid?
by quincyscott on Oct 13, 2010 5:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Homer Alert!
So far, Anderson has played well on the defensive end for a rook. He’s also actively trying to box out and rebound (even though the #s may not show it). His offense hasn’t been good, but I think once he stops deferring and gains a little more confidence, the shooting will come.
I’ll join you in drinking the Kool-Aid.
With all due respect, gentlemen, we're not as crazy as she is.
offense———————→Kool Aid<——————-defense
by indiancharlie on Oct 14, 2010 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone needs to front page this fanshot. The Big 3 + RJ won’t be playing or even be in Pittsburgh for the Cavs game.
"I like the fact that he’s a man." – Hubie Brown on DeJuan Blair
by Manu ex Machina on Oct 13, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions
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