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Spurs Serve Up Yucky Stew

In 2004, my wife and I took the best and longest vacation of our lives.  We went to Europe for 18 days.  12 of those days were spent in Italy with another couple.  AND THEIR 4 YEAR OLD SON.  Yes, I know, what would possess anybody to travel with a 4 year old kid?  Well, we were skeptical going in.  I'm skeptical now.

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Last year Hipuks put up a FanPost called "The Illusion Crushing Thread" in which a lot of PtR members put up pictures of themselves. Well, the esteemed Matthew Powell's picture was taken in a little Italian hill fortress town called San Gimignano.  Aka, San Jimmy.  In that 2004 trip, we spent 6 nights in San Jimmy and it was there that this happened.

We were a good week into the vacation and we had started to get irritable.  After a day of exploring Tuscany, we had decided to hang out in our two bedroom apartment and drink some wine.  The command from on top was for the 4-year old to "go entertain himself" because it was "adult time".  We were staying in this cool little place that had two bedrooms, a kitchen, a dining room, and a living room.  We were in the living room and the kid was in the dining room using his imagination.  That night, his imagination had him being a chef.

He had grabbed some pans out of the kitchen and put them on a little table.  He would move them around and make sounds like "Shhhhh shhhhh shhhhhhh".  After a little while, we asked him what he was doing.  "Cooking", he said.  "Well, what are you cooking", we asked?  "Yucky stew", he said.  Yes, yucky stew.  It is still in our everyday life to this day.  Yucky stew.  "Hey babe, what are you making for us tonight?  Yucky stew?"

On the drive home from the game, I said to myself, "Man, that was some yucky stew".  The Spurs served us up some Yucky Stew against the Mavs.  Did you like it?  I didn't.  I'm not sure how much of it I will have to eat this year.  I'm starting to get the feeling that I will get a consistent serving of yucky stew.  And it makes me grumpy.

LatinD did a fantastic job in his Quick Cap.  He hit on every major point I could make.  We were awesome offensively through three quarters outshooting the Mavs 57.6% to 41.8%.  Yet, we were only up 10 thanks to a fairly lousy call by "Ref you suck" Zach Zarba and a tip in of a missed free throw.  Then the fourth quarter happened.

In the fourth, my notes having us getting 3 stops on 22 possessions.  Yes, 3 stops on 22 possessions.  Yes, 3 stops....I'm just stunned.  There were only 3 times that the Mavs brought the ball up the court that they didn't score.  On top of that, they were 5 of 5 on 3-pointers.  That my friends is a big steaming bowl of Yucky Stew.

How do you explain it?  To paraphrase RJ, when a team scores 42, you are making a lot of mistakes and they are doing a lot of things right.

Props to the Mavs for gutting one out.  As for me, I'm tired of us getting "out gutted and gritted" by the good teams.  That's not what I'm used to seeing.  I'll know we are a contender when we start winning those games.

More from that night in Italy.  Yucky Stew is only the second most frequent thing that came out of that night.  As much as I like to make light of going on a trip with a 4-year old, he was spectacular.  Going into the trip, the wife and I thought the number one problem would be the kid.  Number two would be the wife.  Number three would be the husband.  I've known the husband since I was 9.  As it turned out, the kid was the best.  The wife was mostly not an issue.  The husband was a minor irritant.  Not bad mind you, but the kid was great.

So, we are sitting in this apartment in Tuscany having adult time.  The fact that it was adult time was made abundantly clear to the kid with a "go to the other room and do your thing and we don't want to hear you talking to us at all" type of command.  About 15 minutes into adult time, the dad asked the kid what he is doing.  The kid doesn't respond.  The dad asks again.  The kid says, "Is Chris talking to me?"  I spit up my wine.  I'm not really the best guy to have around kids when they are showing some spunk and disrespect because I love it.  This was classic.  To this day, the wife and I still say that to each other.  Not "are you talking to me"?  But, "Is Chris talking to me?"

Now you have two good little bits of sass to add to your repertoire.  Yucky Stew and Are You Talking To Me.  

A lot can change in a short 6 years.  6 years ago the Spurs held their opponents to 40.9% from the field for the season and held them to 84.3 points per game.  Yeah, really.  Those are real numbers.

Right now, I'm sitting in that kid's bed writing this post.  He's also had change as many kids do when their parents hit a crossroads.  Like with the Spurs, though, it's not that change is bad.  It's what you make of the change.  I bet the kid will be fine.  He's got a good team around him.  The Spurs?  I'm not so sure, but I am still cautiously optimistic.  But they need to know that there is only so much Yucky Stew I can eat.

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I agree, that fourth quarter was yucky, but a little vignette from my years in the classroom about “yucky”. A special education student was placed in my classroom for socialization. A delightful young man, he stayed after class the first day and wanted to talk about his dog. I asked him what his dog’s name was; he replied, “Yucky.” I said, “You really have a dog named Yucky?” " No, Ms. Craig. His name is “Yucky.” I asked again, “Are you sure?” He became insistent: " Yes, YUCKY!" I finally figured it out: he could not pronounce the letter L – the dog’s name was LUCKY. The difference in YUCK and LUCK is very small – maybe the Spurs will serve up some LUCKY stew against the Lakers. Take heart, PTR-YAND!

by janieannie on Jan 9, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like this.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Jan 9, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, janie, PtR-Yand awaits a good game against the Yakers.

Hmmm. Sounds a bit like a cross between LA’s NBA champs and NY’s MLB champs, although I guess that would be the “Yankers” wouldn’t it?

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Wonderful recap, Wayne. It’s time for us to start raising our game when we play the good teams.

We saw replays of Pop’s ejection, but the replays didn’t show the whole thing. Had Pop been agitated before the final explosion? I’m assuming so, but I’m curious to hear your impressions.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Jan 9, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

He appeared to want to talk to Zarba at the time out and Zarba waved him off, not wanting to talk. Pop had been agitated, but not more so than normal, by the ticky-tack fouls being called, particular on Blair, and then several no-calls when the same things would happen to the Spurs. (Richard Oliver of the Express News put up a Tweet after the two quick fouls by Blair:
" DO. NOT. TOUCH. DIRK. PERIOD.") If this had happened early in the 4th quarter, I would have said Pop was doing it on purpose to fire up the team, but since it happened so early, I think he was just tired of the BS calls and then lost it when he was dissed by a young ref. It hurt us not to have him there for adjusting the defense in the 4th, and also when it came to subbing for players and managing minutes.

by janieannie on Jan 9, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

DO. NOT. TOUCH. DIRK. PERIOD.

No kidding, man. Thanks, Janie.

At the time I was really glad Pop had taken a strong stand on what looked (at least to my biased eyes) like outrageously bad officiating. Of course, when the fourth quarter rolled around, I rued my initial reaction.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Jan 9, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought Bud’s substitutions were pretty terrible, and I also think he panicked when Dirk started going off. Not a good thing for a head coach to do. Can we hire PJ back?

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Jan 9, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish we would, assuming he wants to be back, of course.

Anyone know what he’s up to now?

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

haven’t you been watching our games???

he is sean elliot’s backup and did both the Wizards and Raptors games

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Elliot doesn’t need a backup. He just doesnt’!

Oh, PJ, please come back to us. We could use you.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Remind me not to change his Yucky sheets for you next time you stay in SA. From our discussion last night, the stats on Dirk was most telling. 2 of 9 in the first have and end the game 10 of 28. Going into the game knowing that, you’d think we’d win. The tendency of a great offensive quarter, and then hanging on to then end doesn’t work with good teams, especially when we meet their great offensive quarter in the 4th.

—Chris
Who is talk to you

by barsaec on Jan 9, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

We should totally bring back the illusion crushing thread. It’s kinda sad scrolling through and seeing all the usernames that aren’t around anymore.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Jan 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

You speak the truth.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

It hurt us not to have him there for adjusting the defense in the 4th, and also when it came to subbing for players and managing minutes.

This game was a hard one to lose, but the early parts of it give me hope that the Spurs will pervail in June.

by Nlclove on Jan 9, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Wayne, this recap is up there with the “pick and roll” Johnny Cash song post you did. I really dig the anecdotal stuff you do.

About the game. It’s gotten to the point where I am getting less and less upset about losses to good teams, like I’m conditioned to thinking we’ll lose.

"I will five all over this blog." - JRW

by Manuwar on Jan 9, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks. I realized on the way home from the game when I thought of the yucky stew thing that I hadn’t been doing anything of the anecdotal stuff in a long time. I’ll see if I can get back to that style more frequently.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 10, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

The Legend of Tim Duncan’s Hammer. This is still my favorite.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 10, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

this should be a featured story instead of mapping ptr 2009. esp since it’s 2010 now.

"I will five all over this blog." - JRW

by Manuwar on Jan 10, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

just listend/read it again. how fitting Ian is getting playing time tonight. crazy

"I will five all over this blog." - JRW

by Manuwar on Jan 10, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

There was a poll some time ago about when should the Spurs push the panic button.

I would like to know where that poll stands after losses at home to the Blazers B team, OKC, the Mavs after giving up 42pt qtr and 3 losses to the JAZZ.

The truth is: We are good enough to make the playoffs.

But if the goal is to win a championship, I think it’s time to panic.

As Wayne said, 6 years ago we played defense, our identity was a defensive team. Now what is our identity? Does anyone know? Do the Spurs even know?

I don’t think they do.

But I do know this about this group of Spurs. They are the most mentally weak group that I have seen this decade.

To be a defense team you have to be mentally strong. You have to be willing to dive, scratch, claw, elbow, and fight for everyball. Who on this group of Spurs is willing to get down like that. Who is willing to play defense until the rebound is secured. NONE of them.

At this point, I don’t even think we could pull off a blockbuster trade and win the Championship. Simply because if you don’t have an identity, how would you know what players to trade, so you would have the look you are going for.

This group of Spurs can’t defend. Lets not fool ourselves into thinking they can because they can’t. There are no longer any 1st or 2nd team ALL defensive caliber players on this roster.

NONE.

If our identity is a defensive team, we are doomed and might as well bow out of the playoffs in the 1st round.

However if we are truly saying our identity is a defensive team. Then we need to trade some of these offensive players and get some defenders in here.

by GhosTown on Jan 10, 2010 1:32 AM CST reply actions  

We have seen improvements (especially on the defensive end). It depends how patient we want to be though. The season is going to be a tough one (in terms of expectations). In the end, the only real test is in the post season, so it really doesn’t matter what they do now (except hopefully win enough games overall to get into the post season and show the constant improvement).

The Lakers game will provide another close look at where the Spurs are since one game is tough to look at, especially with an in state rival. Losing Pop didn’t help either, since Coach B had some weird rotations that took out key players at times.

by grego21 on Jan 10, 2010 4:10 AM CST reply actions  

The Lakers are going to destroy us on the glass. And there is nothing we can do about it.

The Lakers play every game the same. Kobe hoist up shots and the rest crash the boards. Lamar Odom doesn’t even know the triangle and I don’t think Phil Jackson cares. All he does is waits for a shot to go up and crashes the board. They don’t care about loose ball fouls because they have a ton of big men they can used. We know it is coming, so how are we going to match up with them.

TD on Gasol
Blair or Dice on Bynum = Laker Mismatch
RJ on Odom or Artest = Laker Mismatch
Bogans on Kobe = Laker Mismatch
Parker on Fisher

This game could get ugly for us, real ugly.

We need a true center to take one of those mismatches away. Then it will be a fair fight.

by GhosTown on Jan 10, 2010 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Why even watch the game then? BTW Gasol is out with an injury.

Looking at the match ups individually is a bad way to look at it. Many times there have been situations where the Spurs didn’t match up but still won. Or vice-versa, where the Spurs had the better set but lost. The Spurs have the way better bench between the two (although somewhat weaker without Finley and Bonner).

A true center is not going to change anything unless the center is good. Even then it wouldn’t necessarily solve things against faster teams (non-Boston, Lakers) like Dallas.

by grego21 on Jan 10, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Gasol may be back. Besides we shouldn’t be banking our success against another team by their lack of personnel. If nothing else, Portland should have taught us that lesson.

Many times there have been situations where the Spurs didn’t match up but still won.

Are you talking about this year? We only won 2 games against above .500 teams and on paper we are better than both of those teams. So I don’t see the evidence to your claim that we have won games that we don’t match up well.

A true center solves many of our problems. I would go so far to say all of them.

Yes he has to be good. But he only needs to be good at defending the paint and rebounding. Like one of the Lopez brothers. We don’t need them to score a point. But if they guard the paint and rebound it would be hard for us to lose.

Are you even paying attention to how the Spurs are losing these games? We can’t stop ANYONE. WE NEED SOME SIZE. All the coaching in the world is not going to change that, you can’t coach Size or Speed.

by GhosTown on Jan 10, 2010 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

We’ve won 4 games against teams over .500 and it was 5 when you wrote that comment before Boston sent Toronto to .500.

Hornets, Raptors, Mavericks, Rockets, and Miami

You’re point is still somewhat valid though. We’ve lost 12 or 17 games against teams .500 or better. Our only loss to a team currently under .500 is that first loss on the road in a SEGABABA to Chicago, their home opener. So against teams below .500, our record is 17-1.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s what I call feasting on the dregs of the league.

17-1 is quite the stat.

Also, this is called focusing on the positive.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I’ve commented this like 10 times previous to this but….

I always assume Pop is more willing to go all out against bad teams. First, you don’t have to worry about them seeing your best gameplan in the regular season and preparing for it in the post season. The dregs aren’t in the post season.

It’s also better to play Duncan 32 minutes consistently to ensure dreg beatdowns even if it costs you good wins than to play Duncan 27 minutes against the dregs and 37 minutes against the best guys. Usually teams are good because they are physical. We don’t need Duncan playing more minutes in more physical games. The same goes for Manu, Parker, and Dice.

Last, not only does Pop not want to show the playoff teams our best look, but he wants to tinker and experiment with how we can match-up. If we don’t let RJ play Dirk in the regular season, how do we know he can defend him in the playoffs? Similarly, Bowen rarely played Kobe in the regular season last year. I remember us letting Hill go after him for an entire quarter though.

Even though I already said last, this is also all justification for losing good games and I need justification.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m with you on this.

I love to give Pop the credit for always thinking in this way, whether or not he actually does. And, let’s face it, we’ll never know until he writes his tell-all memoirs wherein he reveals each and every inner thought he ever had about strategy, rotations, and … well, he’ll never write that book. So I guess we’ll just never know.

But I’m still with you.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be illogically nice if Pop ever gave all Spurs fans closure like that.

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I’ll trade closure for 4-6 championships under his reign any day of the week though.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

At this point, a Clippers fan might settle for a book about how to shop for a suit.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha. Hey I would buy that one. It is a professionally important legacy after all.

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect, and rec’d.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

In order to understand why we struggle against good teams, I don’t think you need to do any more than go to this page and look at minutes played by game. This is the best player for the team that is second in the league in scoring margin. Then you might do the same for other players.

Then go to this page. We have somebody at ALMOST 32 for crying out loud. 32. We have 10 guys averaging over 20 minutes per game.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 11, 2010 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

Here is another interesting link to add to your point.

The first Spur, Duncan, is at 76. RJ and Parker are the only other Spurs in the top 125. Manu is at 129, and then Hill is at 143.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

For the moment, this also translates to game conditioning and what happens when we play our main guys extended minutes and how effective are they in that scenario. Against Dallas unfortunately that happened, not in the way Pop would have orchestrate such an event, but it happened nonetheless and our guys gave up a 42pt quarter. So Pop is wise, and I guess everyone gets extended minutes prob very very late in the season, just enough for conditioning.

If the Big 3 played more, I can’t, at this point, conclude definitely that our record would be significantly(closer to Lakers) different(I hope it would be for sure), but we haven’t proved that yet. While I agree, less big 3 or starters etc, we are not giving ourselves all options to win games. We still don’t know if those options are effective enough. The goal kinda is to be effective going into the playoffs and just sustain it over that small period. Lets hope!

The Dallas game surprisingly didn’t hit me that hard. I just had a lot of fun watching the first 3 quarters. I can forget the fourth.

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The Dallas game was really tough for me because I wanted it so bad after Texas lost the Championship the night before, being at the game with Mavs fans which is second only to the Lakers games in terms of hostile home games, and then I had super anxiety about the Cowboys playoff game and bad things coming in 3’s.

In the grand scheme of things, that game doesn’t mean much at all though. Unlike Portland and Utah, we can still tie the season series even. Chicago, on 1/25, is the next team with a chance to win a season series against us.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah darn. Bad weekend :P

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve come to terms with the Longhorns loss. The Dallas loss sucked really bad but is pretty meaningless. Cedric Benson was awesome in the Bengals loss. JerMichael Finley was awesome in the Green Bay loss. The Cowboys won a playoff game and I finally got to see Mahinmi play which made a non-event game pretty cool. So the weekend ended up not so bad in terms of sports.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

How about if I turn it around and say that if Kobe, Artest, and Bynum were playing minutes comparable to our guys then they would have 4-5 more losses?

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

If Pau had been healthy, they might all be able to see less minutes and have maybe 3 more losses….good point.

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

my friend and I were talking about how much the Lakers would struggle to make the playoffs without Kobe and comparing that to the balance of the Spurs and some other teams….and that night, Pop didn’t start Duncan against the Raptors and we both looked like idiots in our homerism

by BlaseE on Jan 11, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Homerism will do that too you more often than not.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 11, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year with Houston, once Yao went down, I thought they were goners but there was a slim chance they might upset somebody with Artest and gang.

This offseason, once Artest left, I thought they were pretty sure goners for the regular season. But those guys have persisted better than some of the ‘stronger’ teams so far. I have no idea if schedule has played a significant role in their record so far. But it sure is a record I wouldn’t have guessed at at the start of the season.

Homerism is needed. I defend ‘old’ Spurs in my lab on a daily basis.

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the answer to this would also be the same. And, technically proving the latter is not a proof of the former :D, since the team strengths are not exactly identical for both parties.

Your original premise I could agree with but technically I don’t want to because we haven’t proved that relationship yet as a definite strength. By the end of the season, we definitely want it to be a significant jump in performance, of course.

Same applies to lesser mins by key Laker players. I don’t know for certain what it would translate to. I can agree they might have a greater chance at more losses, since apparently their bench is very weak or so. The difference is, I haven’t, in my mind, consolidated how much better our starters are from our second unit when they play extended mins. Lakers case, irrespective of mins, I think the general opinion is that their bench needs help badly, but I have barely seen Laker games, so I don’t know. But proving this is not a proof of a better Spurs record when the scenario is inverted in my estimation.

by LionZion on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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