Spurs Trade Speculation Open Thread
by Tim C. on Jan 9, 2010 10:52 AM CST
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PrintThe NBA trade deadline is approaching fast, at 3 P.M. ET February 18, 2010. There's already been a lot of speculation on some other Spurs-centric web sites. With that in mind, it's time for some discussion of our own. Nobody really knows what the Spurs brain trust is thinking right now, so we can safely assume that some of us will be wrong, but it's always fun to think about.
So, what kind of trades are most likely?
Salary Dump Trades
A lot of teams in the league want to be players in the big free agent feeding frenzy this summer. A lot of other teams want to get below the luxury tax this season. The Spurs have some trade assets that could help those teams.
So, what are the Spurs' most valuable trade chips? Why, expiring contracts, of course. Let's see whose contracts expire for the Spurs this offseason, along with how much the Spurs are on the hook for.
Manu Ginobili - $10.72 M
Roger Mason - $3.78 M
Matt Bonner - $3.25 M
Michael Finley - $2.5 M
Ian Mahinmi - $990 K
Marcus Haislip* - $885 K
Theo Ratliff - $825 K
Keith Bogans - $825 K
Malik Hairston* - $736 K
* = team option
Source: ShamSports
A couple of notes on expiring contracts
Obviously, Manu is the most attractive asset to other teams - but trading him is not something I'm willing to discuss here. If you're brave enough to face the wrath of bellasa, you can discuss it in the comments.
Also, Richard Jefferson has a player option, so technically, he could be an expiring contract. But the likelihood of him turning down $15.2 M next season is... well, almost zero. Especially if he's traded to a crap team.
Most Likely Trading Partners
Some teams that appear likely to be in fire sale mode with the trade deadline approaching are the Hornets and Wizards. Both teams are getting hit with the luxury tax if they don't dump salary by the end of the season, and the Hornets are in the especially ugly position of being hit with the tax again in 2010-11 if they don't move some of their bigger contracts now.
Here's a list of players that are probably on the block, if these teams get a good enough offer, along with the salary those players are drawing this year.
Hornets
Peja Stojakovic - $13.39 M
Emeka Okafor - $10.79 M
David West - $9.08 M
James Posey - $6.03 M
They won't trade Chris Paul - they're desperate, not stupid.
Wizards
Gilbert Arenas - $16.19 M
Antawn Jamison - $11.64 M
Caron Butler - $ 9.78 M
Arenas' contract is poison - no way in hell the Spurs(or anyone else) takes that on. Besides, the Wiz have a chance to void it anyway. As of right now, they look to save almost $5M in tax with Arenas suspended.
Another team that hasn't been mentioned as much in media speculation, but is also well over the tax, is Utah.
Jazz
Andrei Kirilenko - $16.45 M
Mehmet Okur - $9.0 M
Start the Discussion
Of course, salary dumps aren't the only kind of trade around. They're just the most likely kind of trade to happen this time of year. This is where you come in. Here's some good resources to use:
ShamSports NBA salaries page - Click on a team to see all player salaries.
Tim Varner's trade speculation thread - There's some gems in the comments.
SpursTalk official trade speculation thread - You might want to wear some protection if you head over there, but there's plenty of good ideas.
Show us what you can come up with, so that we can mock you mercilessly discuss all the great suggestions you have. Happy speculating!
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Damn, was the Quick Cap that bad? :/
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No, I didn’t realize it was already up. I’ll move it up the page.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
No. Usually it takes the rest of us at least an hour to get a Quick Cap together.
Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen
HELL NO.
I just finish watching the Lakers lose to the Clippers and its a good thing Dunleavy saw what B.Davis saw.
Camby was playing like crap. That’s why the Lakers came back in the 3rd. Camby’s defense and rebounding was terrible and he was in the way on the offensive end.
No way this dude needs to be a Spur. I think the Nuggets saw it too that’s why he is no longer there.
I’d take Dice over Camby. Camby is not a good on-the-ball defender. His strength is off-the-ball/help defense.
Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen
His strength is off-the-ball/help defense.
Translation: Gambling for blocks at the expense of team defense.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
Hey… sounds like Theo.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 7, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
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"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 8, 2010 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
Only players I would trade:
Ian, Haislip, Ratliff. For anything really.
The rest are all keepers in my book. Especially Fin and Matt. Both know the schemes very well and both are smooth shooters and our defensive system in place sort of makes up for their lack of mobility. While its hard for me to trust the effort on the defensive end or learning capacity of anyone new coming.
Call me nuts, but out of the above listed Spurs (the exception being Manu, of course) I’m pretty sure I’d give up whatever combo of contracts the Nooch or Wiz would want to match the salaries of Jamison or David West. I am really not a West fan, but the guy can play (and seems to kick our ass). I know it’s a risk adding another high caliber player into the system this late, but quite frankly, we need to win.
A Jefferson swap wouldn’t be out of the question, either.
And, of course, there’s Battier and/or Marcus Camby.
Okay. I will be your contrarian. West sucks :P
Seriously, I think West’s game is too inefficient and his bball IQ is not good enough for consistent delivery during key stretches of playoff games. He has performed against us. True. But part of it has to do with our game planning. Amare is also always monstrous against us. I have no faith in that guy in any game situation.
West is solid, but he won’t create on his own. He really needs CP3 (or another pass-first point guard) to be effective.
Amare is solid too. But he needs Nash as well.
I am not sure what we are debating right now. I agree with you he is a generally good player. But I wouldn’t want him on my team for the reasons I outlined above. But if he comes at a bargain price, then sure. I don’t think he is a good fit for our system right now. Unless the numbers prove he is highly efficient with his touches and very savvy with his passing and at least Dyess good with his D, then I will concede my eyes need checked.
I have to disagree with you on that one. West kept burning us one-on-one during the Spurs’ 2008 7-game series with the Hornets. He has a good mid-range game and I’m pretty sure he has a few more moves in the post than A’mare.
That said, he’s not too consistent, and although I don’t know him personally, I just feel his demeanor isn’t fit for the Spurs.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, I realized I agree with GhosT’s comments about West below.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think West would be a great Spur. He can defend/rebound and he has offense. Picture West playing where Dice plays.
West is a much better shooter. He plays better defense and rebounds slightly better. And the best part is he can face up and take you off the dribble. Now that would be huge for the Spurs. He also brings toughness and wants to win. But there is no way CP3 would let N.O. do that trade.
The Hornets traded Chandler for Okafor without telling Chris Paul about it. West would be really good. It’s still a tough choice for me though, Mason plays so well for us.
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No way that’s happening. As desperate as the Hornets are, they can find better deals out there because Spurs will be stingy with who they move. That and they are within the same division making it difficult to convince a former (albeit limited rival) to be a trade partner.
Nothing is going to happen with the Spurs. Although getting Okafor would be nice (but not going to happen). Spurs have to move 3 guys to get him (if he were the guy).
Battier as a Spurs is no longer with Jefferson unless he’s willing to come as a free agent (but even then I don’t think Spurs would even throw the MLE level to lure him over).
Why trade? We haven’t yet fit all the pieces of this puzzle together. More new guys to work into the system? Only trade for future draft picks, if we trade at all.
Oh we need to trade. Did you see the way we got destroyed on the glass tonite? The only way we won that game is because we had better shooters than Detriot and a better bball I.Q. plus we started attacking the basket.
But we can’t expect to win games in the future if we can’t get defensive rebounds. It doesn’t matter how poorly you make a team shoot. If they can work the offensive glass, a missed shot can be considered a pass. So we need to get someone that can clean the defensive glass with some consistency. That’s why we should be looking to trade so we can pass the corporate knowledge as Pop like to say.
There’s really no one the Spurs can get. Offseason, maybe, but right now, the Spurs will not find anyone better than what they have with Blair and McDyess.
The 3 main expiring contracts are Mason/Bonner/Finley. That’s the majority of your key 3 point shooters. All would be pretty much needed if you wanted enough expiring contracts for a bigger named big. You’d need at least 2 to match up with any MLE level deals that are beyond their 1st year.
what about Jamison?
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Sure I’ll have a shot.
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What about Antawn Jamison?
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Wizards might have gotten a break with Arenas. If his situation becomes worse and they can void his contract somehow, then they are not as deep in luxury tax as they are now. That means one additional move – Butler and/or Jamison pretty much puts them out of pretty much any tax (small enough to withstand)
Jamison would be a good fit for the Spurs, but Wizards are looking to reload with young talent probably so it won’t all be a salary drop with them. Jamison is making like 11.6 to 11.7M this season. For the Spurs to get even close to that, they’d need to give up more than 3 guys off their roster. The expiring contracts are Finley/Mason/Bonner. They’d need to throw in probably 2 more guys. That is tough to take nearly 5 guys off the team roster if they are trying to contend.
Maybe in the offseason they can try for something, but Manu’s contract will tie their hands and Splitter as well (Unless they really doubt he’s coming). Spurs payroll actually won’t be that bad even with a Manu contract (if it’s around 6-7M next year as a starting point). So in some senses, they could try to move 5 guys at the end of the season and take on a big contract. But they need to then pick up bench players.
Yes, Hailsip and Hairston will likely be back because of upside and knowledge of the system, but that still is a weak set to have off the bench with Manu/Hill and a few others. I think a lot of what happens this post season can help dictate if they try to stay active in the trading and willing to take on more contracts. It would be clearer if they gave Manu a new contract but his health puts that always in a icky situation.
Good points. What about Brendan Haywood, Yi Jianlian, Andris Biedrins, or Marreese Speights? What would be our chances of getting any of these guys?
Because if Dice and Blair is all that we have to help Tim in regards to defending and rebounding. We are going to be toast in the playoffs.
Small ball only works for us some of the time and that is mostly against teams that are sub .500 that can’t shoot well in the first place.
Elite teams are going to eat small ball alive.
Speights and Yi are not good defenders. Why would we want them?
Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen
Did you see the way we got destroyed on the glass tonite?
Last time I checked, we’re one of the best teams in the league when it comes to rebounding – particularly on the defensive end. One game a trend makes not.
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Honestly guys, I have my doubts that the Jamisons and David Wests of the NBA would be much help to San Antonio. Neither of them rebound, defend or block shots. Why take on a brand new player at the deadline who wont be of much more help than Dice? There would also be the issue of the new player having to learn the most complicated playbook in basketball in less than half a season.
It would be great to get a Mark Gasol or Andrew Bogut, but thats just a pipe dream…Looks like San Antonio is going to war with the current squad.
Okafor and Dalembert are waaaay overpriced.
It would be nice if we could pry Nazr Mohammed away from Charlotte for yawn and a bag of jellybeans
Marcus Camby is looking more like Carcass Camby.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
by alamobro on Jan 7, 2010 5:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I have to disagree look at Jamison’s stats he’s a great rebounder at his position. He’s also a better defender than Manu or Mase, I know it’s not saying much.
Antawn manages to pull down 8 rebounds per contest in 38 minutes of play ( and that is even in a relatively fast paced system, the Wizards rank 8th in the pace category) Antawn is, at best, a poor rebounder for a Power forward.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Jamison doesn’t rebound??? Don’t watch many East Conference games, I guess?
I’m sure the Spurs could get Nazr under your proposed trade…
Marc Gasol is a BEAST! Not that anyone is getting him in a trade, but I just wanted to throw that out there for all of those who didn’t know…..
But the Grizz are playing well right now, so fat chance.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
The Lakers will get him within 2 trade deadlines
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
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There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 4:43 AM CST up reply actions
Considering the basic idea of a trade is so sell high, buy low, the only players that come to my mind as good trading fodder are Mason and Bonner. I sincerely doubt the FO will act against everything they’ve done in the last 10 years and trade one of the Big 3, RJ’s stock is low right now.
However, Mason, Bonner and Finley are our three-point assassins, and Pop’s in love with the that shot. They’re also rather cheap, and have been around for a while. In Pop’s book that gives them a plus the new player would have to match. It won’t happen.
Deal with it, folks: the Spurs are stuck in the no-trade zone.
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You’re ruining the very essence of this thread, LD… :)
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Though it may seem unlikely.
But it would be very uncharacter-like for the Spurs not to consider it.
If there will be another RJ-like trade out there then pretty sure, there will be one.
You can bet the farm on that
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 4:46 AM CST up reply actions
History has shown the spurs aren’t likely to make trade deadline deals for Big dollar players. I don’t think this season will be any different in that way, especially after having one of the busiest off-seasons in team history. I think management will ride it out with what we have more or less, and I don’t think they would be unwise to do so. The talent and depth is definitely there. I don’t think any of those guys listed above would be worth bringing in except maybe Jamison (nah) or Kirlenko (too expensive). I really like the roster the way it is and I don’t think management is looking to get even farther into the tax. I would be very, very surprised if any deals were made.
You have a point about history but if you would just look at recent history. we have just broken through the scroogey budgetary tag. And then there’s the looming TD retirement on the horizon.
One thing we need to consider is that the FO is going all in. They’re doing everything to keep this team competitive and relevant. God Bless the Spurs!
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 4:49 AM CST up reply actions
NO TRADES PLEASE!!!!
If we trade away a bunch of players for one player, our bench will be extremely thin. We have the deepest bench in the league, and will be even better when Bonner and FinDog return.
And no way should we trade Mason, even when he’s having an off-night he can still make some nice 3’s and play decent defense.
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Honestly I think the Spurs have all the parts for a championship, the only thing were missing is that player with an edge, like a Mario Elie, Kevin Willis, Massenburg.
I really was hoping the Spurs would have made a trade for Jack when he was on the trade block.
We need that player that will call us out when were playing like sh*t.
Jack was the best option for us but may not be the only one. who knows? We may once again be fortunate. This will be our best year yet.
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 4:51 AM CST up reply actions
this is why, it’s all speculation
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 4:52 AM CST up reply actions
But speculating on what is actually possible is better than not. We might as well imagine Wade as a Spur then.
Wade as Spur, not bad at all. A.I. as Spur would be worst
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 15, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think I read somewhere that Pop said we are going to war with this roster. A minor trade may happen if the player involved is someone they don’t see making the playoff roster (in any way possible) or next season’s roster. A major trade means they have given up on this season’s playoff aspirations. I don’t think we can survive another “learning the system” period with some new guy.
I believe one of the beat writers quoted Timmeh as also saying, this is the set of guys they are going forward with whatever happens. Of course nothing is set in stone, but really we all can’t agree on glaring needs other than sloppiness induced problems. Not like we got much to work with without losing a lot more intangibles in any trade.
Ah, sweet trade thread
These are always too much fun.
For my part, I’m okay with the Spurs standing pat unless a can’t-miss comes there way. But the team is getting better, and ultimately the system is not great for midseason acquisitions.
Although, I’m increasingly in favor of the Spurs moving Ian Mahinmi for some sort of asset. A second round pick would be fine; someone else’s draft and stash rights would be ideal. Victor Claver? Gladyr? Llull? Preldzic? Heck, I’d take that skinny dude from teh Congo that Cleveland drafted.
Of course, San Antonio will have to wait to make sure Ian Mahinmi isn’t needed as trade bait in a larger package.
You know what else is sad? Tim doesn’t know how to use nested comments. That whole reply thing is mystifying.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 7, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I’d personally like to see Brook Lopez on the team… mostly because I want him saved from the Nets. There is so much talent there and it would be interesting to see him after a few years under/next to Duncan.
Who knows? The Nets organization isn’t too bright. Maybe they’ll trade him for Ian, a Spurs wall calender, and a pack of cheetos…
For my part, I’m okay with the Spurs standing pat unless a can’t-miss comes there way. But the team is getting better, and ultimately the system is not great for midseason acquisitions.
I agree with Tim.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 7, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions
before someone else says it
obviously a pipe dream and not realistic for this season.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 7, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I really like Lopez too. But the Nets would have to be stupid to get rid of him.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
Last I heard he was a little frustrated because they have been getting YY in the flow of things and taking opportunities away from him
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
True, but they aren’t gettin rid of Lopez. It sounds like the Nets people are really growing thin on Yi and his (lack of) potential. If it comes down to Lopez or Yi, the chinaman is gonna get booted without a doubt.
I hold out hope that NJ’s management is full of idiots…but, yeah, highly unlikely he is going anywhere soon.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 8, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Just having fun now
Jefferson, Bonner, and Dice for Nene, Jr Smith, Aaron Afflalo, and Johan Petro
Jefferson and Bonner for Anthony Randolph, Speedy, Turiaf, and Azubukie
Bonner, Dice, and Hairston for Donte Green and Nocioni
You’re gonna kill me for this, but Manu and Theo for Josh and Joe Smith
AKA: Linix129
LOL
If the Spurs can get the Smiths from the Hawks for those corpses, everyone in the Spurs front office should be given a new car
Yes I am….and that deal makes a lot of sense for the Spurs, just not for the Hawks. They have a good, young core. Manu is not the piece that pushes them over the top this year. By the time the Hawks are contenders (IF, they are), it will be a few years from now when Manu’s corpse has begun to rot. Like I said, if the Spurs can pull this off, it’s a huge steal for them.
You keep calling Manu “corpse”, and I keep trying to blink your comments away.
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I’m sure she means it as a complement.
The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."
by olf on Jan 7, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure she’s not a Spurs fan. And she definitely doesn’t know bella.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
You are correct on both accounts…
Yet I’m still right. Funny how that works, huh?
Sorry if I posted something that outright denies the dillusion you have been clinging to. Manu dropped off a lot… I hope you will still be ok. And what’s a Bella? Like the Bella the Ball? Some sort of princess?
The catfight potential for this one is off the charts.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 9, 2010 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
Funny how whenever two women disagree it gets called a “catfight,” as though gender somehow drives the conflict, but when two men disagree it hardly ever gets called something equivalent, like, I don’t know, “dick-measuring contest.”
:)
(I know you didn’t mean it to sound like that, Mark, I’m just taking the opportunity to make a point. Love ya, dude.)
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Maybe it’s because most fights among women involve a lot of scratching. If women made a fist more often it would be called something else.
And enough women do the “dick-measuring” thing. Like you just did. There’s a lot of “testosterone” jokes, too, because that’s a violent hormone, and because men are inherently violent.
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Okay, perhaps I wasn’t clear. This is a verbal disagreement (no scratching, slapping, or hair-pulling involved, EYEROLL) about the value of a certain NBA player to his team. The participants both happen to be women. What makes this a “catfight?”
My point is that we don’t call every disagreement between two (or more) men on this forum a dick-measuring contest, or a testosterone feud, or any other gender-specific cliche. Because it ISN’T. It’s a conversation about basketball. But two women disagree and it’s automatically a catfight? No, it’s not. It is also a conversation about basketball. It’s not anything to do with gender.
I wasn’t trying to be all serious and preachy about it. But so much for good intentions. . . .
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Heh. Sorry, I come across as too serious myself, sometimes. Terse, as Wayne says. That’s why I have to remember to add smilies to my posts… :)
What I meant is that I’d never thought about where the term “catfight” comes from, until now, and my theory was that it’s because of how some women tend to fight. It doesn’t exist in Castillian.
And then I brought up a pet peeve of mine, the testosterone thing. Because I often go off-topic on this site. I honestly hadn’t understood your point about women in blogs disagreeing being called “catfight”, which makes a lot of sense and you’re probably very right, you wise woman.
Didn’t mean to start a blog fight. Sorry. :)
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No apology necessary—you didn’t start a fight! It’s all pretty goofy, especially when you consider my association with you know what.
I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.
Also, I love knowing that there isn’t a term like “catfight” in Castillian. Can you tell me some gender-specific terms in Castillian? Like “chick flick” or “bromance” and such?
Oh, AWSM, Georgetown just beat UConn.
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Hm. Well, chick flick can be translated literally, as in “película (movie) de minas (chick)”. Bromance doesn’t exist.
I’m perpetually amazed at translators.
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What are some Castillian terms that don’t exist in English?
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Sorry both to get in the middle of it…but related to that just the other day I was trying to translate to an american coworker the castillian expression of “Un pelo the concha tira mas que una yunta de hueyes”, and I couldn’t really do it very clearly, wonder if they have a similar expression in english .
LD? you may know…
by spursfan_needs_counseling on Jan 9, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hah. That’s awesome… not sure I dare to translate it, though. I don’t think there’s an equivalent English saying.
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I would like to attempt a translation, but Im confused with the meaning of " Pelo the Concha"…hair of a shell….?
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
mkay……can someone please translate " Pelo the Concha" into english?
( spurfan, did you mean pelo “DE” concha…as opposed to “the” concha?)
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
haha…..ok. I think im getting the impression that its an x rated type of saying.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Creo que lo que tira la conchita es demasiado si es que tira mas que una yunta de hueyes.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Okay, “concha” is a colloquial, semi-vulgar term for vagina. “pelo de concha” would be pubic hair.
I know, I know. Banned.
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When I meant they are untranslatable I meant that they couldn’t be translated directly in one word. It can be translated as a short phrase.
Anyway, I honestly can’t think of any right now, at least not a word in Castillian that doesn’t have a counterpart in English. I’m sure there are many, though. I can think of puns, sayings, idioms, jokes and other things like that that aren’t translatable, but not a single word, right now.
In my experience, English has more verbs and Castillian has more adjectives. For what it’s worth.
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That said, English and Castillian are pretty compatible. Japanese really can’t be translated well into either. The honorific suffixes are a good example of that.
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Oh, regarding the last bit, I might be talking out of my ass.
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Hmm. Now that I think about it, “vos”, “tú” and “Usted” are all translated as “you” in English. There are different levels of respect associated to each.
Doing some research, “consuegros” doesn’t exist in English. It would be something like co-in-laws. “Ocurrencia”, too, which is a sudden bright idea. Hm, and “simpático” is difficult to translate, too. It means… a nice guy, more or less.
You should read this, Lauri.
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I’d call any fight here a “catfight”, no matter who’s involved. But it’s normally something I keep to myself.
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I can imagine you now, whenever an argument breaks out, acting like the cool younger brother of Ryan Reynolds in the Just Friends movie.
When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.
I just got Lauri’d. Heh, seriously though, no offense taken. Marry me? :)
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 9, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
My god you’re a sexist pig, continuing the despicable tradition of the man asking the woman to marry.
Congratulations, you have now oppressed every single woman dead or alive throughout history.
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You are something, all right. I’m not sure if it’s “right”.
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Bonner, Dice, and Hairston for Donte Green and Nocioni
NOooooOOooo…. That one’s just a bad deal. For us.
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Fred might kill me for this, but is Joakim Noah available/feasible? Sure, no jumpshot or whatever but that guy’s just a ball of energy and doesn’t need the ball to be effective. Spencer Hawes is also an intriguing, good young fella.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 8:28 PM CST reply actions
I haven’t watched the Bulls in a while. So is Noah at this point better than Blair? From what I remember, wouldn’t they both be sorta similar? Blair still has potential coz well, he has yet to develop any kinda moves other than his instinctual ones.
Yeah, I think he’s better. At this point. Blair has more feel for the game.
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He’s taller, although if you talk about who’s “longer”, Blair certainly can make a case for himself.
I’d give Noah the edge on D – he’d be helpful in defending the Nowitzkis, Odoms and Gasols of the world. Offensively, Blair probably finishes better under the basket.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 7, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Finn, Matty and Ian for Battier.
Why the Spurs would take it:
I know we’ll be giving away two of our three best shooters, but I have faith in Mase. Battier can hit threes too. Besides what (amounts to little) offense that the trade takes away, Shane gives back by limiting opponent points. Also, I’m pretty sure he can play and guard three positions. And, he doesn’t need the ball to be effective. Plays will not have to be made for him in the offense; thus he’ll have an easier time learning the system.
Why the Rockets would take it:
Ian is a project who is immensely talented and is a perennial All-Star in the rough. Plus, he’s French, unlike posers like Ba-tee-yay. Fin isn’t too far removed from his All-Star, Cuban-loving self, and is very professional and veteran mentor for the Rockets’ young guns. He’s a Slam Dunk contest runner-up too, so there’s that. Matty’s stock is high. He leads the world in +/-. And he might be invited to the Three-Point Shootout one day. Plus, I love ice cream, and chocolate, and cinnamon pretzels with caramel dips. So that puts it over the top. Houston pulls the trigger. Done deal.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 7, 2010 9:10 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
No thanks on any Duke player. Especially Battier. This guy is too nice. And we need our new players to be out there mean muggin people. Not thugs but people who don’t back down.
That’s partially our problem on defense now. Too many nice guys. With the exception of Manu he is the only one out there that is getting up in people’s grill. And once Manu becomes a Daddy he will begin getting nice too. Bogan tries his best to be, but he is not annoying like Manu is. I don’t ever want a team to come in our gym and be physical with us and we don’t respond.
That’s why I like David West, he knows how to bring it. Like Horry did.
I saw flashes of it from Blair when he was playing against Thabeet in college but he hasn’t brought that part of his game to the floor just yet. So that’s why we have to trade Bonner and Finley because not only are they slow and old, respectively. They are too nice, and you can’t have a bench full of nice guys. You need those guys on the bench who don’t mind coming into a game and roughing up the other teams starters like Horry showed us against the Suns.
Its call that winning edge. I am sure that is what Pop was looking for when he tried to sign Rasheed Wallace.
When I look at our bench. I see too many people on our bench that are just happy to be there. We better get some players with mentalities like S. Jackson and Horry if we want to be champs again.
You would honestly say no to Battier? The guy’s defensive versatility(can guard 2-4, like Bowen did) alone would be enough for me, without considering how fricking good he is at it. If the price was right, I would absolutely pull the trigger to bring Battier to SA.
Also, you don’t think Theo has that edge about him? Maybe it’s just been flashes, but I know I’ve seen him be mean out there. I mean, he’s the only guy on the team that’s been pegged with a flagrant this year. ::heehee::
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Theo has the defensive mentality to hold the fort, yes he has the edge. And he can still block and alter shots BUT, the only problem with Theo is he looks so fragile out there.
I know I can’t be the only one with my fingers crossed, praying that he doesn’t get hurt every time he is banging with someone. A 36yr old 235lb center scares the dickens out of me. And by the time the playoffs starts he will be 37. I just fear for his health when he is out there.
Another thing I didn’t mention about Battier. And this burns me up about him and Lebron too. They give Kobe too much respect. Especially Battier, he suffers from the Nice Guy syndrome.
Kobe absolutely hated Bowen. Because he didn’t give an inch, not one inch. If Kobe threw an elbow, Bowen threw an elbow. But with Battier and Lebron I see Kobe getting in cheap shots all the time and Battier just takes it. I can’t go to battle with a guy like that. I just can’t.
Kobe is a dirty player. And if Battier is not willing to stand up for himself? How is he going to stand up for his teammates? Now if Kobe pulled that stuff with Capt Jack or Horry, well you know the deal. It would be a tech festival. Those guys gave us that edge. We really need to get that back.
The guy I would really love to see replace Bowen is Corey Brewer. He can’t shoot yet. But I think he is going to be the next Stacey Augmon.
you have somewhat of a point with Battier, but because he’s such a nice guy, I think that’s the reason why he would stand up for his teammates. He doesn’t care about himself, you can disprespect him, push him, elbow him, whatever, but if you do something to his teammates, I’m sure he’ll stand up for them. You’re confusing his selflessness with cowardice. He’s so mentally tough, that he won’t risk getting a technical for elbowing Kobe back, because let’s face it, he’s not as sneaky as Bowen was, and he’ll most likely get caught. So because he doesn’t stand up for himself, he’s standing up to his teammates.
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We really need to get that back.
Is is too late to bring Mr. Clutch back?
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 5:05 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, too many nice guys in this team, thats why I wanted Jax early in the season. But I dont think that D.West is that type of player, plus I dont think he brings anything new to this team, we already have an undersized midrange shooter PF. IMO Haywood or Jamison would be a better option.
Also Salmons from the bulls is available. I think he would be a nice starting SG or backup SF to this team.
Spurs commit enough turnovers. Jackson would just add to that. Spurs have a decent amount of clutch players on the team though. No one can replace a guy like Horry of course. But a healthy Manu doesn’t hurt things.
Spurs are not in good position for trades though. It has to be the perfect offer, because they have no big contracts that are really tradeable. Although Battier has a decent sized contract. But yah, I couldn’t see it happening. But I’d take him in a heart beat for 2/3 expiring contracts the Spurs have.
As for Chicago, they are really trying to move Kirk and Tyrus. That’ll probably where the move first. But they want young talent back/draft picks.
No one can replace a guy like Horry of course.
Can we just bring him back? Pleeease…
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 5:07 AM CST up reply actions
Olright!
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 15, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
I’d take Mason over Salmons. But I haven’t seen him play much this season.
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Seriously? You’d turn down Battier because he’s a “nice guy”? That’s as vague as it comes. He’s proven himself the top one-on-one defender of the league, and he was great last year in the playoffs.
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He also gets respect from the refs, which is important in big games. He’s now the best Kobe defender (now that Bowen is gone).
I would not pursue Battier as my first choice for a pure defensive specialist. I would get someone younger. Like Corey Brewer or Sefolosha. Battier is getting older and he has lost a step. But he is still above avg defender, with maybe 1-2 good years left. So if he some how jumped into our boat I wouldn’t trhow him back.
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I’ve heard the spurs are going after Bruce Bowen,is it true?
I doubt it. Where did you hear this?
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 8, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Pop was pretty clear that San Antonio was no longer considering Bowen in the team’s future plans. I haven’t heard/read anything since the Pistons game and I’m sure that would have already popped up here or in spurstalk.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
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Anymore Firepower?
Will the Spurs go after another big name player before the trade deadline?
Hollinger basically says the Heat have to give Dorell Wright away. Wright can’t hit a three to save his life, but he’s long, a good mid-range shooter, tremendous rebounder, and solid one on one defender. He’d be ideal behind Richard Jefferson. And he can play/guard 3 positions.
It’s only 1/8, but my preferred scenario as of today is Mahinmi for someone’s 2nd rounder/rights. And then the Spurs take on the remainder of Wright’s deal. Those moves satisfy needs and don’t create any cap issues.
(Waits to get yelled at)
Raptors have said that they are willing to move Bosh before the deadline, soooooo
Bonner, Dice, Fin, Jefferson, and Manu for Bosh, DeRozan, Reggie Evans, Amir Johnson, and Antoine Wright
AKA: Linix129
POSSIBILITIES
As a person who does not understand all the trading guidelines, please help me.
Is it possible for the Spurs to trade for either Tayshun Prince or Joe Johnson?
I got it!
Using the ESPN trade machine it said this would work; Ian & Theo for Brook Lopez. If of course the nets wanted to get rid of one of their key players : /
Espn is reporting that the Wizards are indeed going to go into fire-sale mode.
After reviewing the roster, im not sure theres anyone on that team that could realistically help San Antonio.
Jamison seems to be a poor rebounding chucker, and Haywood seems like hes just a big stiff. I dont think Caron Butler would be an upgrade over Jefferson either. He has better stats, but he also plays more alot more minutes in a faster paced system…
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Here’s some food for thought, since the Wiz are indeed in fire-sale mode. I’m sure they’d love to have Roger back.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsnru6
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OK, getting a little greedier, how about this? Have I mentioned that I’m a fan of McGuire? We could also send Bonner instead of Finley, but the Wiz want to cut salary.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylbj3lq
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I like the Haywood trade but I would prefer that we give up Bonner instead of Mase. Mase can play PG and that is really important. What secondary role can Bonner do?
amazing!!!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylxp4e5
we get roy hibbert, amare
suns get troy murphy and haislip
pacers get RJ!
pacers shed salary, spurs get C and PF next to duncan, and pheonix finally gets to trade amare!
How about Boozer? He wants to be traded to a contender.
Then we get a banger inside, defender, cockiness, rebounder, scorer, the works.
i will trade manu (or Rage) for him. I have immunity, okay. this is a trade thread
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
also we steal one from Cuban.
and considering the recent whipping
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 6:11 AM CST up reply actions
I like
There are no sacred cows for DSL except for holy cow Blair.
by 'DSilverlining on Jan 10, 2010 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
D, I wouldnt mind seeing Boozer Boozing it up in San Antonio, but the chances of Utah letting a hated conference rival have Carlos are slim to none ( with emphasis on the none )
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
AK47 could be available.
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Trade???
I don’t see Pop and RC doing anything drastic to change the roster that he has been working so hard with. The people we have now are enough to reach the finals. The big hurdle will be getting past Dallas and LA. Now that Blair and to a lesser degree, Mahinmi have shown what they can do I expect the only guys left for a possible trade are Hairston, Haislip and Finley. Finley still has it on offense, but he is a negative on defense. Teams looking for a great perimeter shooter might be interested. Hairston is a good bench player, but he plays positions in which the Spurs are very deep. Haislip hasn’t seen much floor time, but it is obvious he can shoot and has hops, speed and length. I think he is a keeper and is serving his required bench time. p.s.: Trading Mahinmi would really be stupid. He is just 23, can jump out of the gym, is fast and has proven he can come off the bench and be effective. Pop is holding him back for a reason and I think he will be on the playoff roster instead of Theo. That ankle is still a question mark for Ian and Pop is not taking any chances. After the Nets game, the smart thing is to rest the ankle and see how it reacts to the stress. Expect to see him get a little more floor time in the second half of the season. His upside is to strong to trade him away. I would be surprised if there are any trades at all.
I agree on all ur points. These are the best candidates. although Mace can also be sacrificed for the right trading piece. We are still missing a take charge, big guy who rebounds w/ fire power and a defensive terror or maybe a Horry type circa Rockets era
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by 'DSilverlining on Jan 15, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
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