Should the Spurs Trade For Amare? If So, What?
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 27, 2010 8:36 AM CST
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PrintThe report from Yahoo! is that the Spurs are looking at Amare.
It seems like these are the options:
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Haha. You dislike us that much, huh?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 27, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Is Seth Pollack the former Phoenix Stan?
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 27, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I voted no, but I’m not entirely opposed. My conditions would be no big 3 and no Hill, Blair, or Splitter. Amare is gone after this season so it seems pretty stupid to trade away our future and players we like for him. If we could get him for any combination of expiring contracts, draft picks, RJ, Dice, and Bogans, then I’d have to really think about it.
If Tony was really on the table for Paul, maybe we put him up with others to get Amare with Dragic. If the FO was looking to trade Tony then they might know something we don’t. Possibly injuries or where they want to take the team in the next year or two.
by BlaseE on Jan 27, 2010 9:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
None of the above
I say we should try but not with any of the above options, but i dont see how we could get him without letting go Manu or RJ, and as much as we all love Manu, RJ is younger and not nearly as fragile. Splitter is the future, and Hill may end up replacing Tony once Eva says its time to go to a bigger city.
Seems to me...
That Amare isn’t what this team needs. I’d rather have a defensive minded rebounding big guy. I don’t think this teams needs more offensive fire power and that’s all Amare really brings to the table. Get me a defensive big man.
EN.OH.NO.
We might be desperate but are we stupid? Too many question marks to mortgage not just this season but our future as well. I agree with BlasE and Big50’s points. But it will be amusing to see Pop shave his head after a couple of bouts of frustration-induced acts of hair pulling after telling Amare to play some D.
If it happens . . .
I think this deal would work best for us: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhm97qf
Stoudemire & Grant Hill for Jefferson, Bonner, & Finley. We could toss Splitter and/or a draft pick in there as well, if need be.
Obviously, I want to keep Manu because so much runs through him. RJ would work better in PHX because he pretty much always had a pass-first PG in Kidd to distribute to him and get him touches, which isn’t happening here. Bonner has already become a diminishing option for us (even before his injury), and I think he would have to be a staple of the trade. Grant Hill is old and might retire next year, can’t really say, but he’s still useful. Same can be said about Finley. Overall, Suns gain RJ while shedding $2.2 mil & have $5.7 mil expiring instead of $3 mil expiring.
I don’t think I need to explain what we gain from Stoudemire.
I posted this on 48minutesofhell already, FYI.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 AM CST reply actions
Wow…you throw in Grant Hill for Jefferson, Bonner and Finley and I’m am absolutely on board. We’ve all said Hill would be a great Spur. I dunno how long it’d be for (isn’t he expring?), but he’s seen somewhat of a career revival the last two seasons, and has been nothing short of a class act his entire career.
No. He has no defense and he’s not the brightest bulb in the box either. What we gain in athleticism, we’d give up in basketball IQ.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
Someone on 48MoH just said they heard on WOAI that we are willing to enable an Amare trade, so it sounds like a 3 way deal. The question is, which will be the 3rd team?
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions
So we basically have no idea what might go down.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Remember when GSW almost got Amare in a trade during the offseason? Maybe they’re revisiting that. GSW has been rumored to be interested in moving players that the Spurs like.(Bell, for example)
suicide > RJ
Maggete is a hell of a lot worse than RJ when it comes to playing defense.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 27, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
As bad as he is… it can get worse.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 27, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
You know Pop has always had a major hard on for Raja Bell. I’d do that trade. Not for the big 3, Hill or Blair, but anybody else is O.K. in my book.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I’d like Turiaf as well, but he’s injured right now, sprained ankle I think. Is Bell injured as well? I know he was at some point this season, and he’s only played 6 games.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Silly me, didn’t read about Bell down below.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
He’s supposed to return in early March. Because he doesn’t really do much on offense, I still think it would be worth it to integrate him into the system over the last 5-6 weeks of the regular season, just for his D.
suicide > RJ
It will take longer than that for Pop to trust him on defense. Hell he would trust Finley more in that short a period of time.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 27, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
CIA Pop
I have a feeling this is just Pop putting fire under some asses before the Rodeo Road Trip.
by Josh Guyer (completely deck) on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions
I was tired last night.
If we trade for Amare we need Manu. Amare is a great pick and roll big and Manu can run the play better than any of our guards.
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
I don’t think Amare’s great at defense but he’s had moments were he’s had monster blocks where he looked like Dwight Howard and with another towering big man that’s young and not fragile in the middle maybe it’ll make pg’s and other player’s from trying to just walk into the lane.
What’s frustrating about Amare is that the ability to be a great defensive presence is there, but he seems to lack any desire to play D whatsoever. Would that change with the Spurs? Who knows, but it’s an awfully big risk.
suicide > RJ
He won’t play defense any better than he is doing now. On a consistent basis. That at least I am sure of.
Until Timmey kicks him in the nuts and tells him to…
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 27, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he probably assumed Timmy does that to all the new guys.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
A’mare still wouldn’t. Shaq couldn’t persuade A’mare to play D (not that Shaq wanted to play any defense, either).
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 27, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody ready for a coup d’etat of the front office? No one has mentioned trading RC! If you thought Joan of Arc was tough, just wait for Janie of Austin if any trades for Manu go down.
I say we chain ourselves across the front of the ATT Center. We can take ’em, JA!
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I say we chain ourselves to Manu… if he does not play for the Spurs he does not play for anyone…
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 27, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
A few of us have been trying to do that for a couple of years now.
For completely different reasons though…
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jan 27, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
The way we are playing now I think Amare would be all positive…. our defense will still suck but our offense would be more consistent and possibly capable of avoiding those big scoring droughts.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Not that Im endorsing the trade proposals… they all suck…
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 27, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
HOLD ON A MINUTE
posted in the SA Express – no conversations between Spurs and Suns regarding a trade for Amare – see my post in Fan Shots
You buzzkill.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 27, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
See, the mere threat of my revolt got results. Never underestimate the power of a woman whose favorite player and trade are mentioned in the same sentence!
See, you are so wordy. I count 11 too many words.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 27, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hell hath no fury like a woman who types comments in bold.
by silverandblack_davis on Jan 27, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
I can never make the link thing work
Here’s the URL – cut and paste or go to Fanshots
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/01/amare-a-spur-no.html
Wojo never said SPURS and Suns were in discussion, just that the Spurs FO was debating whether or not they should persue Amare. I’m sure they’ve discussed many players with out contacting the players team.
Just a little thought: how fun would it be to see Nash and Manu side by side?
"I will five all over this blog." - JRW
Amare is not what the Spurs need
Everything that the Spurs need at this point is mental:
toughness, effort, communication, paying attention, etc.
Amare doesn’t bring any of those things. Avery Johnson (currently unemployed) does.
I hate Amare but I’d love to have him on this team, even at the cost of Manu. If we can land him or Bosh, RC should be GM of the year
AKA: Linix129
by sw12 on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Trade RJ, Bonner, and Mason
I love Mason but if we won’t use him than why keep him?
Hell throw in our second as well.
If the defense is starting to suck, it might be because of the age of our personnel. Duncan isn’t playing D, Parker isn’t playing D, really only Hill, Finley, and Manu play halfway consistent D.
If the team is incapable of playing defense, then load up the offense and try to simply outmatch team’s offenses. Amare is a great offensive big, and while I’d prefer to get Bosh next year, Stoudamire is a great opportunity to build on.
I’m 100% for it and at this point the only players I wouldn’t trade are Duncan, Blair, and Hill. And I’m even a little iffy on Duncan. Also, don’t trade the Splitter rights, I think he’s going to be valuable for our future.
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The rumors i’ve heard are of a three way trade involving the spurs and the suns, not necessarily with the spurs ending up with Amare. For example, this trade has the spurs essentially trading Bonnor and Mahimi to phoenix, Amare to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas to the Spurs and Brad Miller to the Suns. Like this one…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh4sm7z
It would work money wise, and seems like the most reasonable scenario i’ve seen cause each team has a reason to do it, Phoenix gets 16 mil in cap relief, Chicago gets armare and gets rid of brad miller’s salary for the price of Tyrus thomas, spurs get a legit post defender at a good price.
The trade that I love for the spurs is this one
RJ for anyone
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by theonlyromeo on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Trade parker for Amare
Parker leaving as soon as his contract done……..Guess where he’ll be heading to……..Hollywood?
im very hesitant to give up manu, because hes our only dynamic option at the 2 guard position. parker mans the 1, but at the 2 all we really have is mason, finley, and bogans, none of which are very exciting. the exception is if hill starts at sg, but this gives us no backup pg, unless we put mason there again, which is isn’t exactly good at. right now, hill and manu basically back up parker.
i suggest that if they do move manu, they have to put hill on the bench. i would start finley against all teams except those with elite 2 guards, in which case start bogans. otherwise. in all cases, have mason and hill off the bench for firepower
If you knew Manu was incapable of playing much better than he has been thus far….would you still be so hesitant to trade him ?
I think thats the major question the FO is stuck with….
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
I don’t think it’s feasible to try and re-sign Manu and Amare. Too much risk there. I think it has to be one or the other. Regardless, I think we need to make a move and Manu’s expiring contract is a big bargaining chip.
I love Manu, I own his jersey, wear it with pride and he’s kept me watching the Spurs on a Wednesday night in January. Unfortunately, I’m afraid his time as a Spur is coming to an end. He doesn’t have the explosiveness around the basket and has yet to develop into a consistent threat in the mid-range and long-range game. He has lived on his athleticism and I believe it’s the injuries that have not allowed him to develop other aspects of his game. Yes, he does make some key plays on D for us but he also turns the ball over while trying to create for himself on offense and gets burned with his gambling on D quite a bit. See the last two minutes of the Bulls game for evidence.
Whether or not Amare can play D is a big question mark brought up numerous times in this thread. I can’t speak to Amare’s individual game but I do believe in the Spurs system he could be a physical, athletic presence next to a reliable Duncan on the defensive end. Shoot, if Bonner can do it then why not Amare? Amare also would bring an explosiveness on the offensive end that we have not had at the 5 since Robinson. I think Timmy would be the first to consider himself a 4. Timmy could play for many more years in this league being a serviceable big man at the 4 who can hit a bank shot from 20 feet, guard effectively in the Spurs system and rebound. Having another game changer on the low blocks for years to come would be huge for us.
Amare is a risk. But if the price of Amare is a role player (yes, a great role player, my favorite one!) but a role player on the other side of 30 nonetheless then I am willing to assume the risk. Taking sentimentality out of it and looking at this as a basketball decision this seems like it would be a good move for the Spurs.
he [Amare] could be a physical, athletic presence next to a reliable Duncan on the defensive end. Shoot, if Bonner can do it then why not Amare?
Somehow I see Bonner having a bit more BBIQ (Basketball I.Q) than Stoud.
Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10
I thought for a second you wrote BBQ… I GOLed for an instant
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 28, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think BBQ has a bit more BBIQ than Stoud too.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 29, 2010 2:06 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
SPurs defense is already terrible
OK it’s not terrible, but it’s terrible by Spurs-standards, which is superior defense.
So why add a players who has consistently shown his disinterest in playing defense? We don’t need Amare. We need to stay healthy, and we need to get back to playing defense.
Now, if the Suns would take Bonner and Finley – our two weakest defenders right now – for Amare, that would be OK. But I suspect they would not.
AND – no way in HELL should the Spurs give up Hill, Blair, or Splitter for Amare. I’m mixed on Manu – he’s a proven clutch player and could torch us if we let him go – but he is injury prone. And obviously, no Duncan or Parker.
Is it just me, or does anybody else see a potential rift between gender mates on the horizon?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jan 29, 2010 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Ankle_likely_to_shelve_Spurs_Parker.html
Rumor mill: Asked before tipoff about a Yahoo! Sports report that the Spurs had "researched and debated" getting involved in the bidding for Suns All-Star center Amare Stoudemire, head coach Gregg Popovich said he had no knowledge of the report.
"What the heck is Yahoo?" Popovich said. "Is it one of those computer things? Is that like Twittering?
"It’s that time of year, I guess. Trade deadline. Everybody’s going to come up with something."
League sources insist the Spurs have had no direct conversations whatever with the Suns about Stoudemire.
No one has talked about him but I really like Mickael Pietrus. A lot of people would disagree but he seems to be the only guy in the league that does a good job on LeBron. (just from what I have seen)
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I don’t disagree, but I think Orlando giving him up is less likely than OKC giving up Sefolosha.
suicide > RJ
if ever..just this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=meveb9
then un-retire bruce…easy right…where now 14 in the roster…then he and finley can work the sf position…its just bruce that’s the missing piece…i would even go for no trade,which i do…we just need bowen…BADLY!
RC Buford was at the Toros game in Austin last night, where PTR had a meet-up. Matthew wanted to go ask him if he had a personal security plan in place in case he traded Manu.
Did anybody try to convince him to write one fanpost as the formerly famous Sungo?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Actually, I told him that I loved his writing, that it’d gotten me to this site, and that I’d love to see something by him one of these days.
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Amare trade 3 way w/Cavaliers and Spurs
Amare to San Antonio
Tony Parker to Cavaliers
Mahimi, Finley and Ilgauskas to Phoenix
This is a joke right? There isn’t a point guard or player worth trading TP for. NONE.
Kobe, Paul P., DWade, Shaq, Billups NONE of em.
There are only 5 players with a finals MVP and I wouldn’t take any of them over TP. Ok Maybe Dwade is equal but I still wouldn’t do it.
I personally saw TP light up the Hawks for 42 last year while TD was sitting in street clothes( Pop owes me for that game too). He looked like he was running a layup drill. TP is the real deal. He didn’t sweep the Cavs and be the finals MVP by accident.
I like Tony, I’ve defended him at times, I even like Eva a lot</strike,> but I’d have to disagree with you. Tony’s the real deal, yeah. He’s good, yeah. He’s a former All Star, yeah. He’s a former Finals MVP, yeah. He’s carried our team at times, yeah.
But no way in hell do I decline a trade of LeBron or Wade for Parker. No way in hell. Fuck, I would give them RJ free, if the Cavs or the Heat agreed to the trade.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 31, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Where’s the goddam delete button? Should’ve previewed, dammit.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 31, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Here‘s what I’m saying. Or this.
I’d like to think that even the biggest Parker fans would say these deals are steals for the Spurs.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 31, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
This trade makes no sense
There is absolutely zero incentive for any of these teams to make this trade. ZERO
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
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