Trade Speculation Open Thread: Part II
by Tim C. on Jan 23, 2010 4:38 AM CST
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PrintThe Spurs are broken.
Of course, not everyone is going to agree with that statement, but I've run out of patience. Hope is still there, but my expectations are gone. At a certain point, I've got to read the writing on the wall. This team, as currently assembled, just isn't working. Instead of getting better as time goes on, they've actually started getting worse, especially on the defensive end. The regression has become unacceptable, and something has to be done.
A couple of weeks ago, we had the first trade speculation thread, with plenty of good ideas springing forth in the comments. It was fun, but it wasn't meant to be serious. Today, I'm going to outline a scenario that was a lot of fun working out on the ESPN Trade Machine. Except that this time, there's a sense of urgency.
We'll start this by pointing out the Spurs' areas of need. Keep in mind that these are my opinions, and lots of folks may disagree. But, here goes:
1) Perimeter stopper - Bogans was an unexpected novelty when he first cracked the starting lineup, but teams are gameplanning for him now, and even though he's pretty physical, he doesn't play nasty defense like Bruce would. He doesn't get in the opponents' heads, and we need someone that can do that. Someone that would get called "dirty" on a regular basis - I miss that.
2) A good post player - Blair and Duncan are too similar in their areas of strength to be as effective when they're both on the floor together. Therefore, we could really use a reliable option in the high post that can do more than just sink jumpers. But, Duncan is still pretty effective in the high post, so a true center would definitely be a good option as well.
3) Another SF - Richard Jefferson is not performing the way we'd all like him too, but even worse is the fact that he's the only true SF on this team. This means that "smallball" becomes "tinyball", and when Jefferson is in foul trouble or hurt, the team doesn't have any good options.
A Hypothetical Trade
First of all, I've gotten extremely tired of defending Jefferson. I didn't write about moving him in the previous trade thread because I didn't think it could be done, but now I'm not so sure. He's definitely a good player, but he needs to play with the right type of teammates, and those aren't the guys he's currently playing with. Still, unless the Spurs can find a trade partner with the right type of teammates for RJ, they're stuck with him. The "right type" of teammates will most importantly include a point guard with great court vision to take advantage of his explosive abilities in the open court. Which is why I came up with this:
Scenario 1
I'd also throw in a pick and Splitter's rights to get this done, if neccesary.
Why it works for the Spurs
Remember that list of needs up above? Every single one of them is addressed with this trade. Posey could be the perimeter stopper who isn't afraid of getting dirty(see the Spurs' last game against NO for an example). West is one of the most effective high post players in the entire league on offense, and is even a capable defender when he needs to be. And Wright is a very solid SF who could do a great job of backing up Posey. Best of all, there would be NO reason to play smallball - ever.
Why it works for New Orleans
If you'll remember from the previous trade thread, the Hornets haven't exactly been shy about their desire to avoid the luxury tax. They're currently about $1 million above the tax line, and this trade would reduce their payroll by about $2M. Lots of savings for them, but a salary dump alone isn't enough to make them give up one of the cornerstones of their recent teams. RJ's stats would likely surge playing with the most complete PG in the league, and he would actually help them out quite a bit. Having Okafor and gaining a talented prospect like Mahinmi means that their frontcourt wouldn't suffer too much.
Scenario 2
Instead of being happy with that first trade, I decided to go a step further. What if we opened up the trade to Oklahoma City, and gave them Mahinmi, a guy Sam Presti lobbied for when he was an assistant GM with the Spurs? Well, that was the start of a rather exquisite trade scenario. Check it out:
It's important to point out that involving a third team in the trade complicates things, and makes it less likely to happen. However, just get a look at that beautiful, beautiful trade. And yes, I know Sefolosha is listed as a SG, but he's the perfect size to play SF, with a terrific wingspan to boot, and I think he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league already at only 25 years old.
Why it might work for OKC
The emergence of Harden, coupled with Durant's continuing development, has really cut into the time Thabo spends on the floor. Even though they signed him to an extension earlier this year, I think Presti might move Sefolosha for the right price. And Mahinmi definitely seems to have a higher ceiling than White, but his real advantage to the Thunder is his size - Ian is taller than White, and has a great knack for blocking shots. He'd be a perfect fit for them, if he gets enough playing time to control his fouling.
However, I question whether New Orleans would still go for the trade in this case - maybe Splitter's rights and a pick could seal the deal.
Your Turn
I was going to do a few more hypothetical scenarios(and might still post those later), but I wanted to open this up to all the good folks who read PtR instead. Fire up that trade machine, and show us what you come up with. If nothing else, it'll make for good fun. Also, feel free to rip apart my proposals and priorities for the team.
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( This is a cut and paste job from a comment I made after our loss last night to the rockets )
Its 240am and I have nothing else to do but speculate. So here it goes.
I truly believe that the Spurs may take up to 60 games, 70 games, hell…the ENTIRE season to gel.
I do not believe this to be far fetched when you consider that half of the damn team is new, and the Spurs run maybe the most complicated sets of any team in the league. I dont think Im looking at this situation with rose colored glasses. We got one major cog coming back from a serious injury, and another battling plantar fasciatis.
In addition , this team traditionally doesnt play serious basketball until later in the season.
That being said, If a trade had to be made for whatever reason….i think it should be for another small forward. From the sound of things, Bogans does not belong in the starting lineup. Getting someone to approximate the Bruce Bowen effect at the Small forward position, and sitting Bogans in favor of Mason at the starting 2 slot seems to make sense.
I havent given up on RJ, but right now the experiment is beginning to look like a failed one. RJ had most of those high scoring season playing an uptempo style with one of the best passing points of all time leading the break. Maybe we just need to face the fact that RJ is just not as good a basketball player as his stats indicated. So perhaps replacing him with a defense first forward would tip the scales. Cause we suck at defense right now….
As far as any workable trades, your suggestion is better than mine ( seeing to how I dont have one ) Getting D west and Sefelosha seems like a stretch , but it sure looks nice on paper.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Did my ears deceive me?
during the Hornets games, I thought I heard them say there were rumors of trading Parker for Paul…..
Pull the trigger on that!
Also, I would like to see Sefelosha in a Spurs uni. He’s a better version of Bogans.
I did not return empty handed. I came back with two huge handfulls.
As soon as the Paul-Parker trade rumor hit Tony told a reporter about his plantar fasciitis. Even if there was something to the rumor it’s dead now. That plus the fact that New Orleans is not stupid enough to trade their franchise player and Paul, even though he probably wants a trade, is too classy to go all Stephen Jackson on them and force one.
by doggydogworld on Jan 23, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Its too bad the warriors wanted too much for stephen jackson….
He would have fit neatly in that three or two slot.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
The warrior wanted too much for him??? They traded him for an injured (probably for the season) Raja Bell and Radmanovic, that’s a steal.
The Spurs probably could had him for MAson, Bonner and a Pick(or Splitter) and cash ( a better deal that the one they got from charlotte), but they did not want to take the JAx risk.
spursfan87…the last I heard about the Jackson to San antonio rumor…the Warriors wanted Manu for Jax. ( but we both know that might be utter bs, hearsay )
Come to think of it, that is one hell of a steal for the Bobcats. Look at them now. They are 8-2 in the last ten games.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
NO would never give up West for Jefferson, even if West is probably overrated because of Chris Paul.
Then there are always surprises (Look at how Nazr Mohammed is playing this year) so a bet could be worth it.
The ideal would be to get somebody like Haywood or Gortat but I can’t see that happening. So I think that we are better off playing Mahinmi, especially if no matter what we are going to lose in the end. Anything would be better than small ball. If our frontcourt is not there to help when speedy guards drives, we will be getting killed like yesterday.
Most of our problems stem form, imo, a wrong mindset on defense and bad coaching. I am not advocating a change of coach, but even legends grow old. When team USA had Lebron, Carmelo (one of the best FIBA players in the world)), Duncan and they got a bronze medal, while being beaten by teams like Puerto Rico, it was not so much a problem of persons (even if among the players you could find Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury, who were at the time near their peaks) as a problem of coaching (Brown and Pop). That’s also another evidence that Jefferson and Duncan are not so great together.
So Pop, the best trade you could make is get another assistant, one who could help you to make this team successful. Nobody questioned the brain drain from the Spurs FO that we have observed over the years. But maybe there is a point at which you can’t replace everybody without a loss of quality.
bio,Team USA lost to all those other teams not because of coaching but because those other teams have been playing together for years. While the squad we sent was a collection of allstars who had played a handfull of games together.
I know the US ultimately won the medal, but lets not forget that they had few close contests and nearly lost to Spain in the final.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
I’m not quite sure if I’ve reached the point of wanting a trade and blowing things up, but this was fun, none the less…..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhd7ljg
Jefferson, Bonner, Finley, and Yawn to Washington for Butler and Jamison
Why SA does it….Butler is tougher and better than RJ. He actually has a post-up game(something we wanted Jefferson to do all season long) and would bring some much needed toughness to the team. Jamison is more of a perimeter player, but actually rebounds well. And he actually has a pulse, which is more than we can say for McDyess most days. This allows us to move Mace into the starting lineup with TP, Jamison, Butler and Duncan. 3 of the guys played together in Washington, so they should have some chemistry. And then our bench is Hill, Ginobili, McDyess, Blair and maybe Bogans or finally give Hairston some run. This keeps our bench solid and gives the starting lineup a little more toughness. If we need Hill to start for a defensive matchup, that is fine also.
Washington does it because they clear payroll getting Jamison and Butler off the books. They aren’t going to be good this year and are hoping to void Arenas’ contract, so now they have plenty of cap room. RJ probably wouldn’t pick up his player option for next year because he’s on an awful team, giving Washington 4 expiring contracts. They will have a high draft pick this season and can truly start rebuilding. Or even sign a free agent or two this off-season with the myriad of cap space they have and make a run in the clearly inferior Eastern Conference.
I am way on board with getting West into a Spurs uniform. He’s a better than average defender, is built, and can hit the j. While I’ve always despised Posey, he’s definately a good guy to have in your fox hole, and seems to (with the exception of the Nooch) provide his teams with a little bit of, dare I say, LUCK?! (I’m desperate here.) He too can hit the dagger.
I know I sound like a broken record here too, but if we’re all so adament about getting Yawn out the door, Pop might want to give him some minutes. Some teams might want to see the goods before they take the plunge. Except maybe, the Mavs.
ok, this is a bit of a pipe dream trade, but i wasn’t around for the first trade thread. its a variation on a trade i posted a month or 2 back…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjz9gwv
mini-ears for danny granger, jeff foster, and roy hibbert (older trade had a.j. price instead of hibbert)
hibbert is developing into a nice young player, foster gives you boards at an excellent rate, and granger is better than jefferson (in my opinion). spurs take a hit financially though, an extra $3 million over the luxury tax, and someone has got to get waived. but other than that…of course, whether granger would work in the spurs system is another matter.
pacers of course wouldn’t do this in a million years. downgrade at SF, lose their starting centre and their backup centre.
yes, a pipe dream, sorry to clog the thread with it.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Jan 23, 2010 9:10 AM CST reply actions
Getting a Roy Hibbert would be so tremendous for our team right now that it’s not even funny. Duncan plays his best when alongside a center (see 2003, 2005, 2007 championship teams) and he needs someone else to pick up the slack on the backboards and blocks. I’d say all we need is a Roy Hibbert and Dahntay Jones to help us with our defense, so parting with like a Ian Mahinmi, Bogans, Finley, or Mason should do the job.
Right now I say shut Tony down until after the All-Star break, that way he could heal up his wounds, and I’d rather lose with him curing his ills than him playing gimpy and forcing a bad pass or bad shot .
And I’d say these trade speculations are somewhat on the money, with us needing a dominant low-post presence and wing defender, but I say now one of our priorities is a three-point shooting point guard. I mean, George Hill has been missing his patented corner three and it cost us during the Rockets and Jazz games. I’ve been hearing that the Pacers are willing to unload T.J. Ford, so how about attaining him and a Dantay Jones, or a Samuel Dalembert, Tyrus Thomas, or Andres Nocioni? Any of them would be suitable right about now.
But, sadly enough, I think the Spurs will be playing the same classical music all the way down with this sinking ship. Any of these trade scenarios will probably not happen because the FO chose these players specifically for this team, but now they have to bite the bullet and hope that this team gels until the last moment. Right now things aren’t looking so hot since we aren’t that far from dropping out of the playoffs entirely.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see. But how many more losses will it take for the FO to make a dramatic, yet positive change?
I doubt there is enough time to assemble new parts into a cohesive unit. The time to make a major trade was two weeks ago, and even that would have been hard to justify. Although, I like the Sefolosha idea.
by Timothy Varner on Jan 23, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions
I too love the idea of Sefolosha. If Presti still likes Mahinmi, why not send him and Finley to OKC for Thabo. The Thunderclusters would get rid of a long term contract and would have the rest of the year to see if Ian is worth it. I’m not sure Finley is going to play much more this year, but it’s an expiring contract, so no harm for OKC.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygbsafd
Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen
Does anyone not remember the Rodeo road trip and how it has always helped our team gel? Does that not get any consideration when playing out the rest of the year? In my opinion, we keep the team together, and let it play out. varner is correct, anything now would be too much change too late.
The team is supposed to turn it around right BEFORE the rodeo trip, or at least, that’s how I remember it. And there’s usually consistent improvement throughout the first half of the season, another thing I haven’t seen.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
I should add: It’s certainly possible that the team simply needs an attitude adjustment, but Pop’s comments after the Houston game make that seem inprobablee.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
What comments? I missed the game, and when I found out that we lost, I didn’t want to read anything about it.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 24, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
You got to play a lick of defense if you want to win in this league. Our defense against Utah and against Houston was very poor. 60 points in the second half against Utah and 61 in the second half tonight. That’s not going to win basketball games. It looks like the effort and all that sort of thing is great, but way too many mistakes…not enough focus…not enough execution. We’re scoring enough points to win games. We’re scoring more points than we’ve ever scored in our lives, but our defense is really sub-par and it’s killing us.
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
Oh how sweet, he didn’t mention Dallas.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Jan 24, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
The grass is always greener. When was the last time the Spurs brought in a key player in a trade? Most everyone thought RJ was a terrific addition and McDyess was a great signing at the time.
The #1 problem is the Spurs have not gelled. Bringing in new players at this point would only exacerbate that problem.
Here's another one that won't happen outside the sterile confines of the ESPN machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfdtocw
(The trade is Iggy and Dalembert for Finley, Bonner, Mason and RJ.)
The benefits for both teams are quite pronounced, but the 76ers won’t know if RJ will pick up that final contract year or not, and so they won’t want to take him on. Maybe we could add a draft pick or the rights to Splitter, but it probably just isn’t feasible.
I suck at this type of things but I came up with a trade that might help:
It’s Jefferson and Mason to Golden State for Maggette, Bell and Turiaf.
It works for the Warriors because they get out of Maggette’s awful contract and get back a guy that could work for their fast pace team in Jefferson.
We get back a decent post defender and shot blocker in Turiaf, a guy that can do everything we wanted RJ to do in Maggette and, if he get’s healthy, a defensive stopper in Bell. If he doesn’t, he is an expiring contract.
There are reasons not to do it, of course. Maggette’s contract is awful, but the Spurs have shown interest before. And as many of you have mentioned a big trade would disrupt the little chemistry this team has build.
But overall I like this one.
I would rather watch Manu Ginobili go scoreless than 98 percent of the league get career highs
If this goes through the Trade Machine, hell I’d lobby for it in a heartbeat. Maggette has something that Jefferson doesn’t have but Manu does: A slashing game that creates contact, and contact that brings free throw attempts. RJ isn’t meant for our system, as we have surely seen, but maybe we do need a selfish type player like Maggette to take over late in the game and get to the stripe when the clock winds down. And I am a huge fan of Turiaf, who does in fact have a high block rate in limited minutes; and if Raja Bell can come in and help us in the playoffs, holy crap this will be a scary Spurs team.
But this is just false hope, I’m sure.
I forgot to add the trade machine link. Here it is:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygryaw7
I would rather watch Manu Ginobili go scoreless than 98 percent of the league get career highs
edge…
How do I put my ESPN trade into a link format like yours? Whenever I try, all that pops up is the introduction to the trade machine page, and the trade I made is lost….
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
I think Bonner would have a heart attack with the run & gun Warriors.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 24, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
In terms of trades, the Spurs could still tinker with the edges. I agree with Tim C. that small forward is a concern. The Spurs could find 10 to 12 minutes a game for a player to spell RJ. It would have to be a combo forward, because of Pop’s love for playing small. There are players available who could fit this need.
I think the Spurs are also wondering if, given that PF gets worse, not better, unless rested, Parker’s production will fall even more between now and the playoffs. I’m curious. If that’s the case, maybe adding a reserve pg at 15 makes sense.
Finally, the Spurs are probably wondering if the RJ thing will actually have been the first step in a more comprehensive makeover. If that’s the case, then trading one of Ginobili or Parker would seem appropriate. But the Spurs only go there after deciding their current roster is not going to get it done. I can’t see them pulling the plug.
The advantage to making a major move like that yet this season is that it obviously takes time for new teammates to gel. So, just as an example, Parker and parts to Philly for Iguodala and parts….that gives Iggy half a season more to develop chemistry with Duncan and crew. I can think of a half dozen scenarios like that. Scenarios where the Spurs are actually putting the pieces in place for next season, without officially saying so.
Hey Tim,
What about maybe trying to get Darrell Wright from Miami? Not sure if this is a realistic scenario, but we would get Wright and Arroyo for Finley and Mahinmi. I’m sure there could be a pick or something sent as well. We’d get an athletic wing/defender in Wright and backup PG in Arroyo. This would seem to address our most pressing needs, while not resetting everything and trying to start over.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygmwjgk
Also, to go along with your backup PG thought, what about going after Ramon Sessions from Minnesota? Maybe adding Ryan Hollins into the deal (a younger version of Ratliff maybe?). The numbers work out with some combo of Finley/Bonner/Mason/Mahinmi. We’d get a good PG to help with Parker and get a defensive center who is younger and more athletic to at least help Duncan.
Obviously, neither deal is a huge overhaul, just ways to try and adjust the roster as currently composed. My gut tells me that the Spurs just aren’t ready to give up on this season to start an overhaul for next year quite yet.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfkzyw7
This isnt adressing the perceived current needs of the team.
But its a great step into the future, and may even pay huge dividends this same season.
The Raptors get a tough guard with championship experiece. They get Ian to help fill the void and Fin is thrown in to help the trade work. More importantly though, the raps get three expiring contracts to land a franchise player this summer.
The Spurs get the corner stone player they will be needing, in Chris Bosh.
If the Raps dont go for it, we can dangle this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjcwag4 in front of them.
Toronoto has stated that they would like talent in return for Bosh. With this deal, they get an allstar caliber pointguard who is younger than Ginobili. I think the Spurs season is shot if we trade Parker, but at least we get that corner stone and rebuild this Summer with Bosh/Duncan/Ginobili/Dejuan/ RJ
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
by alamobro on Jan 23, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yea , Banned. I know.
What is it worth it? No. But it was still fun to throw this out there, lol.
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
So long as we’re treating anyone but Timmy as expendable…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjwrng8
The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!
and heres one i came up with.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz8ugba
wiz dont really lose anything by doing this. you could even add nick young, who i’m pretty sure hasnt been playing much this season, in spite of his promising year last year.
why not,td can be c.with that we can have 2 threepeat=6 rings.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl3zv6e
lebron and gasol…..i could tinker with this trae thing all day http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf9u78o
I would like for us to get either Marcus Camby or Thabo Sefolosha. Either one, in my opinion, would help us out A LOT.
i would agree, but with our luck and Camby’s injury history, as soon as the deal goes down he’ll get hurt. I’d much rather have Thabo.
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 23, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Another trade that’s plausible is this one:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg2c3tv
Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and the rights to Splitter to Houston for Battier and Budinger.
The Rockets do it to get a legit 7 footer to back up Yao next year and to get two guys that are not afraid to take big shots. Plus a try-out for Yawn.
The Spurs get the stopper they need in Battier and a cheap 3 point shooter in Budinger.
We can also exchange Finley or Mason for Bonner and Budinger for Andersen.
That way the Spurs would get a C that can strech the floor in Andersen
I would rather watch Manu Ginobili go scoreless than 98 percent of the league get career highs
WE NEED A 7 FOOTER
my first time here and really like it . one thing ive noticed afetr reading all these comments is the most obvious thing this team needs isnt being adressed enough.
WE NEED A 7 FOOTER TO GUARD TIMS FLANK!!. all our titles came with twim towers of one kind or another. every contender in the nba then went out and copyed us. now we’er the only team that doesnt do it. this is the most glaring difference between this team and teams in the past. last night i logged the rockets games. we gave up 13 layups in the second half(i didnt even count the first). thats 26 point in the half on layup. 7 in the the 3rd quarter. thats 21 points in one quarter on fucking layups!!!!!! every team in the league treats our interior like there in pregame layup drills. START RATLIFF,,,,,START MAHIMI,,,OR MAKE A TRADE FOR A SEVEN FOOTER. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL THEN FALL INTO PLACE. our team is built to funnle guys into 2 seven footers, why are we not doing that anymore.
Thumbring, I agree that a legit 7 footer would be great. But there are no legit 7 footers out there that can realistically be had. Camby is pretty much done, and also super expensive….
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
then why not use ratliff???? what do you have to lose, weve had far less athletic guys at that slot than him, and won rings with them
Theo is old and done. He can block a shot here and there but thats about it.
Mahinmi though, its really mistifying that he hasnt gotten more time..
...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
i dont believe i’m saying this…but i think Ratliff is our secret weapon for the playoffs. I dont think he’s done at the defensive end. On offense, youre probably right, but i think Pop knows all he has to do is put Ratliff in the game and layups stop. Pop has made comments about how Ratliff knows the system so he doesnt need to put him in the game to get playing time now. And we all know Pop doesnt care about seeding or the regular season.
I still dont believe i just said that. Ugh.
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 23, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
at least for once he has shown that he can block reb and score 15…he and blair are so foul prone..that’s what i thnk he needs to improve…hope pop gives ian 10starts as c right next to td, for “discovering what he has” and maybe for trade values?and then start blair 10 more and more time,let’s see what he can do.in fact we all know,but i guess pop doesn’t see it.
GREAT POST BY THE WAY/ ED RUCH CAN SUCK IT
loved all your points.
and one of them expecially. pop needs to defend his players against asshole refs who clearly have an agenda. and if anybody out there thought crawford was the ref with the burr up his ass fore the spurs, theres one worse. ED RUSH. this guys intire career, he has been sticking it to duncan. So much so that duncan once said after a game , when he retires, his bio will have 1 whole chapter devoted to …….ED RUSH.
da only players da spurs need to get rid of are mahinmi, dice, and bogans, and maybe mason i think da wizards would give us butler or jamison for nothing, also da cavs may want more combos so we could steal danny green, a great defender, and J-Moon. also sacramento has donte greene a sf with pf size, he is probably da next danny granger or rudy gay.
Tolliver is having a nice game tonight for GS
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Okay here’s mine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk6p9mb
RJ + Ian for Jamison +Haywood
I know that it is not going to happen but the wizards said that they want to reward Jamison for attitude, work ethic and so on. You can throw Splitters rights too.
I think that any trade at this point in the season is essentially conceding the season. Pop is not going to concede the season.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
depends on the trade
a trade like this means that we’ve given up, and we are looking for some cap relief
Still, unless we get somebody that has played in the system before (or a similar system) it is going to be a long time before said player feels comfortable with the rest of the team.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jan 23, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
how 'bout this!PLSS READ...AND COMMENT ON MY TRADES!TY
1.you’ll love this!(but fin is our only back up sf/sg for rj,still small ball)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfof4fk
2.how about this…+7 on our wins and just made this team,the worst team in nba history,what can i say…(more)worst?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl5nz9h
3.a funny trade,but in reality it’ll be such a foolish act, 4 thunder players for rj…see who’s on it and you’ll laugh!and its +12 on us -19 on them!FUNNY!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykn9unk
4. you’ll love this, a former spur,his an sg and a really good,soon to be all star sf…guess who!but in reality brown would pass this trade.(now u know)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygg5uk6
5.this can help us. a really good c and good sf for rj…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzts53a
6.the center many spurs fan wants.you know him!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf8fcxb
7.4 players for rj which includes casspi,another argentine and d.greene and thompson.man that’s better.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylnlvch
8.who wants some mayo and gay?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfw9bj7
9.from phoenix…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj6h22f
10.from chicago..the only trade i’ve done that has a – on our part.but not bad.tyrus and kirk?! for rj?!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzv2yho
11.ok why not no more rj eh?from indiana..kobe knows his "dirty"and he blocked 6 shots from our previous game with indiana…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzugqob
12.FINDOG FOR ORLANDO PLAYERS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzh77eu
13.blazer’s players for rj
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylgdr97
14.haywood for mattand fin
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhnxhs8
15.finley and t. young
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhnrtzb
16.from houston,landry ariza,shane.i think it fills what you want from this thread,a stopper,post moves,and another sf…whAT you think?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygm4lhd
17.the birdman and afflalo for bonner and keith.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfpnzmm
18.oops another – for us…second time..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjnqdcx
19.switch of point guards, this might work?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylamkkx
20.joakim for fin that’s impossible thoguh.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg9ffgm
comment my trades plss…which is more realistic?…thanks!
can someone plss....
whose close with a spurs f.o. pls suggest a move..we suck and i hate it..i hate this team!
huhuhu!
:’(
well i agree
i agree on your points to have a trade,but we play hard when playoff time comes, but if we don’t play seriously this January to just even show the fans that they can do it…then i guess…what will happen when playoffs come?i think you know what will happen.at least show us that you can beat denver,l.a with a healthy kobe, celtics with a healthy kg,orlando,and miami with a unfatigued wade…okc with no ginobili saves,plss beat playoff caliber teams,beat them in a blowout,to prove to us that what the paper said can be true.
if not,then i guess san antonio needs to make a move before trade deadline. but if not, i just hope this team will be a new team after trade deadline or on march.i still got hope for this team,with a trade or no trade.
:)
we can have bosh if u want
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl3zv6e
or even..lebron james in our dreams
good bye frenchie...say hello to bron and paul
ok its just fantasy and i hate lebron and sometimes paul is a punk but if this might help us why not eh?
what we need is to get a star for nothing. think Detroit getting Rashid from Portland. think Lakers getting Gasol from Memphis. those were really game-changing trades, and that’s what we need – a game-changer. but you can only get this kind of trade from a desperate rebuilding team. west is a pipe dream IMO, so is Sefolosha. I’d look for good players on bad teams. Like Jamison and Butler in Washington:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhgrt6u
Or may be Brand in Philly:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzvvbt5
Sadly, New Jersey do not have players I’d take (I assume Lopez is not for sale). May be:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg8cxk5
Same with Indiana (Granger is not for sale).
Detroit doesn’t look too promising as well:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl49tp5
And I don’t see much of anything that might work with western teams. I think, getting Jamison or Butler (or both) is probably the best more or less realistic scenario.
I have seen a lot of bogus trade s(no offense) are we just throwing any and every kind of trade out there? because we should have a more serious/realistic discussion over our trade possibilities.
Personally I would rather not make any trades. If we had any chance of winning this year it wouldn’t be because of a mid-season trade. And everyone is so quick to blame RJ for the team’s struggles but we all need to look at this more closely. I’m sorry. It hurts me to say this but the Spurs are not the Spurs anymore. This season was supposed to be Timmy riding his teammates to a championship and injuries, chemistry, and lack of focus and most importantly heart changed those plans. Lets face in, no one is playing the way they should and Pop isn’t coaching the way he should either. As much as i would love to see another banner raised, we need to wake up from this dream and start looking towards the future. Hopefully it is a better one
"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich
I don’t believe a panic major mid-season trade is going to fix the problem, unless it’s for a player with with a basketball IQ so high he could fit on any team at a moment’s notice. But players like the are valuable commodities and few teams would be willing to part w/ them, unless their ownership was having a fire sale.
I think we’ll see the Spurs front office bring in a D-Leaguer or make a trade for another warm “practice body”. It’ll likely be something to trim down the tax hit the Spurs are likely to pay come July.
...!!
Is this great or what
Spurs Get: Al Jefferson, Thabo Sefolosha
Thunder Get: Yawn, Bonner, Wayne Ellington, Ryan Gomes, Pecherov, Corey Brewer
Wolves Get: RJ, DJ White, Nenad Kristic, James Harden
AKA: Linix129
A. Jefferson for a Jefferson? Lol, we could make Big Al’s number 24 and pretend nothing ever happened.
by Manu ex Machina on Jan 24, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
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