Back to Backs Analysis: Should Spurs Fans Worry?
As is my habit, as soon as the Spurs released their schedule I immediately scanned it for back to back games. I always dread the back to backs. It turns out we have 17 this year, which as far as they go, is a low number. At that I was able to breathe a sigh of relief. But then it occurred to me, I have never actually seen statistics on back to backs to verify my fear. Logically, it makes sense for Spurs fans to fear them and that had always been enough for me. After all, the Spurs have an aging roster that cannot recover as quickly as younger teams. We also have key players that are injury prone which results in Popovich cutting their minutes during back to backs as a precaution. And if a player is ailing, Popovich will sit him without hesitation for the back to back as we saw him do with Duncan last season. So, we have to be significantly worse, right? Glad you asked. Continue reading to find out.
In order to obtain a decent sample size, I decided to analyze back to backs dating to our first championship season in 1999. There were several questions I set out to answer. Do the Spurs lose significantly more back to back games than their regular season winning percentage would indicate? As the Spurs have aged, have they become significantly worse at back to back games? Have the Spurs been better at back to back games during their four championship seasons? And most importantly, are these games worthy of the amount of stress they cause me, (and you?)
Directly below is a summary of the data I derived using raw data from Basketball Reference.
While the Spurs do have the second least amount of back to backs in the NBA this upcoming season, as you can tell by the chart, it is nothing to get too giddy about. It's not like we have 10 less or anything. If we had just 4 more, it would be tied for the most back to backs the Spurs have had in more than a decade. Below is a graph that visually represents this same data. Please note that I chose to use winning percentages because in 1999, the lockout shortened the season so simply using wins and losses would have skewed the data.
The gold circles represent how the Spurs fared during their championship seasons. The green line tracks the Spurs' back to back winning percentages over the years and the blue line tracks the Spurs' regular season winning percentage. The black lines are the Spurs' average back to back and regular season winning percentages from last season to 1999. So, what does this data tell us?
Well, for one, I expected the difference between the two averages to be much greater. Since I have feared the dreaded back to backs for so long, I could not imagine the percent difference to be less than 12%. Obviously, I was wrong. On average, over the past 11 seasons, the Spurs have lost only 7% more when playing back to backs as compared to the regular season average. Is 7% worth having no fingernails by April?
Interestingly, one could make the argument that as the Spurs have aged, they actually have improved in back to back contests. At the very least, we can agree that the Spurs have not become significantly worse over the years. I think this can be attributed to experience. Going into the tail end of back to backs, experience allows the Spurs to better mentally prepare for them. They know that they need to come out strong from the start so their opponent does not gain confidence. If their opponent stumbles early, the Spurs know they must immediately pounce so Popovich can rest his starters with a comfortable lead. And experience gives the Spurs confidence that they can keep the game close and secure the win in the fourth quarter with defensive stops.
Have the Spurs performed significantly better in back to backs during championship seasons? Pay attention to the gold circles as they signify a championship year. As you can see, there is no trend between championships and back to backs. In '99, '03 and '07, the Spurs fared decently in back to backs. However, in '05 the Spurs recorded their second worst back to back win percentage and still brought the trophy home. So to state that the Spurs must perform well in back to backs in order to win the championship is clearly false.
Obviously, I have come to the conclusion that I have spent far too much time worrying about back to backs in my life time. Although we generally lose the tail end of back to backs more often than other regular season games, it is only 7% more than our regular season average and the results vary widely each season. The results of back to backs definitely do not reflect whether the Spurs will win a championship or not. So next time the Spurs have a back to back, sit back, relax, crack a Bud, and know it's not as crucial as most make it out to be.
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Good stuff, Fred. I had wondered how much correlation there was between back to backs and the Spurs winning percentage, but lacked the patience to find out for myself. Thanks for clearing that up – it also surprised me that there was so little difference between the winning percentages overall and in B2B’s. I’m curious, did you try looking at the stats for both games or just the SEGABABA’s?
*SEGABABA = second game of back to back in PtR-speak.
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by Tim C. on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can get those numbers but it will take a minute or two….hold on….
by Fred Silva on Sep 4, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
69.8%. I was not expecting this number to be so intuitive. But between last season and the ‘02-’03 season, we won 70% of the front ends of back to backs. Which coincides with our regular season average winning percentage since ’99. Seasons ’02 through ’99 are on a different computer, but I think ’09 though ’03 is a decent enough sample size to give a reliable answer.
by Fred Silva on Sep 4, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Fred, welcome to the FanPosts section. Nice you see you posting here. I think this post will also help me put that fear of back to backs behind me…
However, it’s a bit sad. This is yet another interesting myth destroyed by the cold, hard, unfeeling stats. Sniff.
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by LatinD on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought somebody said it was a mage.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 4, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Fred, you just made the numerous engineers here on PtR extremely happy with the numbers and graph. I too expected a worse winning % for the SEGABABAs. Great work!
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Sep 4, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha. I’m an analyst by day, still a nerd by night, I guess….
by Fred Silva on Sep 4, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you still want to care, older players that play significant minutes in the tail end of back to backs are still more likely to get injured. So your heart should still skip a beat every time TIm, Tony, or Manu hit the floor. Sounds like the beginning of a drinking game…I guess that’s the Friday of a three day weekend talking….
by Fred Silva on Sep 4, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the beginning of a drinking game…
Now you’re talking the PtR language.
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco
by Tim C. on Sep 4, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Fred. This is a well thought out, excellently written post with great ideas and terrific data presented in an easy-going, yet compelling way.
Are you sure you meant to post this on PtR?
Seriously though, I’ve always done the same thing when the schedule comes out — immediately count up the back to backs. What I’ve never done is sat down to see whether there’s any need for the exercise. It’s good to know that I don’t have to do that anymore, but do I have to crack a Bud?
Thanks for the post and welcome to the ranks of the rank and even worse smelling.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 4, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post and welcome to the ranks of the rank and even worse smelling.
You really have a way with words. Have I told you that before? :)
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco
by Tim C. on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danke, rikiddo. When it come to the scents of things, I suppose I can wax aromatic. =]
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 5, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Fred, that was a good read. The only nit I have to pick with you is your choice of beverage. Why would anyone crack open a bud for any reason? Much less when we are watching a team that, like a fine wine, gets better with age?
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Sep 5, 2009 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. Tonight I was drinking Jack and Coke until I was going double Dewars on the rocks…. Thanks for the love everyone. This is also my official drunk post. I have revised this at least 29 times. Ask Faulkers.
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. Personally, I don’t get giddy and nervous just during SEGABABAs—I get giddy and nervous before every game they play.
After all, the only time I want the Spurs to win is when they’re playing…
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Sep 5, 2009 2:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I’m with you there. I debate whether or not to attend every home game, and then decide to go. I’m rewarded 70% of the time, as long as it’s not the tail end of back to backs…..
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one. I happen to love self-reference. Ask Hofstadter.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 5, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred, did you manually retrieve the data or did you mined out of the web with a script?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 5, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I manually retrieved it. But I work with excel a lot as I’m an analyst. So it did not take very long.
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved it. Recc’ed it.
Constructive Criticisms:
- I would have liked that outlier 38% explained. What was the deal that year?
- 7% is huge. A 7% chance we are more likely to lose, it is a 19% increase in our chance to lose. In Vegas, casinos make money on minute percentage advantages (if you know what you are doing). 7% and 19% are huge numbers to me. If a player went from a 80% free throw shooter (Grant Hill, Michael Redd, RJ and Hedo) to a 73% free throw shooter (Zach Randolph or Glen Davis), how would that effect your confidence with him at the line?
- I also am curious about opponent strength of schedule those seasons and how home and road effects this. I can’t fault you for not including it though. That is some serious research to compile all that data.
- With a smart coach like Pop, I think first game of back to backs are effected. I know you put a % for those games in the comments and it matches the regular season, but do we lose to OKC last year by 1 or 2 points if we don’t play the Wolves the next night?
- Your general assessment of the franchise aging doesn’t seem right to me. Yes, Duncan, Finley, and Bowen were all aging, but Manu and Tony are peaking during your sample size. Duncan’s aging is overrated as well (Read number 6 and he is dead on). Maybe a graph showing average age of the 9 players who get the most playtime vs our regular season record would convince me one way or the other.
- This next idea is a dream only Hollinger with all his stat machines, monkeys, and drones could actually complete, but I wonder how the entire league fairs on back to backs vs the opposing team’s days of rest leading to the next game.
Very thought provoking article, but this is one Spurs fan who will be “cracking a beverage of choice” to relax and not because I am relaxed. The numbers do show that in 7 of 11 seasons, we lost at a higher percentage in SEGABABA’s, and last year one loss cost us the outright 2 seed. Maybe that was our loss to the Bucks or maybe that was our loss to Denver when we benched the whole team.
by BlaseE on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, if this were my full time job I would love to answer every one of your questions, while keeping enhanced stats for each NBA game. But, alas, I do not have the time. And as far as the 7% goes, I think it depends on your mindset before reading the post. I was expecting a much worse percentage, so 7% did not seem so bad. If you were expecting it to be even with our regular season record, then 7% is awful. I fully expected the second game of back to backs to be worse, just much worse than it actually turned out. And that is why I will not be so worried when these games come around in the future.
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, if this were my full time job I would love to answer every one of your questions, while keeping enhanced stats for each NBA game. But, alas, I do not have the time.
I am incredibly sympathetic here. I wish there was some site that posted excels of box scores. I think someone could make a nice site by just transferring html table data to excel and making it public.
Good point about it being unfair to expect an equal percentage. You do throw out that you expected a % of 12% of more. I think the 19% increase in loss percentage might qualify you to cross over to the worry side if that was your “line in the sand”.
by BlaseE on Sep 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still on the edge of my seat waiting for the statistical revolution to take place. You know that teams like Houston already keep enhanced stats, they just will not share. Blocks, steals, rebounds…. That’s all I get for defense? No deflections, challenged shots, altered shots, forced shot clock violations, etc…. Now that would be a nice site. One that kept every stat imaginable for every NBA game.
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL started recording pass deflections recently and are adding QB-hits as a stat this year. Tackles for Loss are really interesting too.
A guy I work with was telling me about his NFL fantasy league and how they are adding defensive players this year. The problem is that if you’re a really good cornerback, your guy doesn’t get thrown to so you have limited opportunities for tackles, interceptions, and even pass deflections. How many possessions for an opposing player ended in a pass because of Bowen? How many passes are made on each possession before a made or missed FG?
by BlaseE on Sep 5, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they have a csv file or some other file of the season stats that you can download from basketball-reference.com? But still no excel format for boxscores, I guess.
by silverandblack_davis on Sep 5, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
comma separated values, it should open nicely in excel
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 5, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We use .csv format to transfer between different types of traffic software every day. It works extremely well opening in Excel, without having to do hardly any manipulation (unlike say, a delimited text format). Man, we are a bunch of geeks. Welcome to the pack, Fred.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Sep 6, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your idea of including the team’s average age over the years. Or maybe just the 7 or 8 players that average the most minutes so we do not have guys like Kevin Willis polluting the data.
by Fred Silva on Sep 5, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me wonder how many things guys like Kevin Willis have polluted over the years. I’m sure it doesn’t stop at just data.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 5, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case anyone is interested
I looked at four years of data, league-wide, on the impact of back to backs.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/23/734327/back-to-back-games-are-the
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
by jscot on Sep 9, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Just wow. Nice post, man.
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco
by Tim C. on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope that paid the bills for the next 12 months. Awesome post!
PS: I’ll read it later.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did take a little bit of work
but I do Excel in my sleep.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
by jscot on Sep 10, 2009 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good stuff, sir. I love the conclusions.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 10, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found some of the comments on it very interesting
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
by jscot on Sep 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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