Jane Austen Critiques: The NBA Coaches Edition
From the sweet soul of jollyrogerwilco and the twisted, yet brilliant, mind of CapHill:
Some of my favorite moments in nationally televised NBA games are the sideline interviews, especially those with Pop. His facial expressions and terse answers are priceless, requiring transcripts in the Pounding the Rock game threads for those unable to watch. Pop's responses to the usual questions about the Spurs system always me make me think of this Jane Austen quote, "One man's ways may be as good as another's, but we all like our own best." Earlier this summer, while perusing PtR, my mind went into tangent land and started contemplating which character from Pride and Prejudice Pop is most like.
And then came the brainstorm - why not use the wonderful characterizations of Jane Austen to further explore the qualities of all NBA coaches? Are not all NBA teams microcosms of society, with the associated multi-layered relationships? And who better to help us understand this society than Jane Austen, with her mastery of the ironic and her biting commentary? Seriously, any person who writes the following in a letter to her sister deserves a place in the hearts of all PtRers:
I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them.
So enter the world of a beloved novelist after the jump.

To add to the already tangential nature of this post, jrw (my fellow Austen admirer and co-conspirator) and I decided to focus on only a few aspects or qualities of the character when trying to find a match for each coach. So, sit back, relax, and get edjumacated on the relative merits of the head honchos of the National Basketball Association, and perhaps this will inspire you to pick up a good book (like this guy).
For many of you, this will be very appropriate music for reading the following ramblings. Plus, they're British.
Led Zeppelin -- Dazed and Confused
JRW suggests the melodious vocal stylings of Julie London for those seeking a more mellow musical selection.
Julie London - Cry Me a River
Mary Musgrove (Persuasion)
Mary Musgrove has a pretty damn good life. She's married to a nice man, has two lovely little boys, and lives close to (but not with) the relatives. However, when Mary feels she is not getting enough attention or feels slighted, she becomes "ill" and whines persistently. She's an early 1800's version of the modern day hypochondriac, who also happens to be useless. Which brings to mind Mike Woodson. Woodson had a career 37% winning percentage before the Hawks won a playoff series last season, yet he's upset because he and his staff haven't been given extensions? Mike, you might want to spend your time and energy convincing Josh Smith not to shoot 3-pointers instead.
Henry Crawford (Mansfield Park)
Henry Crawford is a player. He flirts back and forth with both Maria and Julia Bertram, even though Maria is already engaged to a Mr. Rushworth. After Maria marries, he turns his attention to Fanny Price, the poor dependant cousin who lives with the Bertram family. When Fanny rejects Henry because he is a cad (not to mention the torch she's carrying for her cousin Edmund) Henry renews his flirtation with Maria Bertram, resulting in an affair and scandalous divorce. What coach has skipped from team to team, never content, until he finds the perfect situation that ends with an acrimonious split? Larry Brown, of course, who is now stuck with the Bobcats and MJ as his GM.
Mr. William Collins (Pride and Prejudice)
Mr. Collins, a long estranged cousin, comes to the Bennet house solely to find a wife from among the five sisters. He is mocked incessantly throughout the book as naïve, stupid and supercilious. He is prone to making prolonged, inappropriate speeches in the middle of parties, while pandering constantly to his societal superiors. I bring you Doc Rivers. This is a man who has never met a microphone he doesn't like, who never has anything critical to say about the Celtics organization, and who follows the Tao of Cliché while taking incomprehensible coach-speak to previously unrecorded levels.
John Dashwood (Sense and Sensibility)
John Dashwood is the only son of Henry Dashwood; therefore, he inherits everything. On his deathbed, Henry makes John promise to provide for his half-sisters and stepmother. John agrees, but is slowly persuaded by his domineering and money-grubbing wife that nothing whatsoever can be spared, thereby forcing the Dashwood sisters to move out of their childhood home and live in near-poverty. Mike Brown has had his own experiences with a force-of-nature type personality, in LeBron. Adding Shaq to the mix isn't going to make it easier for the Cavs' Coach of the Year, who might need to dodge the the moving vans that will be circling his neighborhood if he can't finally exert some authority over his team.
Sir Thomas Bertram (Mansfield Park)
Stern and patriarchal, Sir Thomas Bertram breaks the father figure mold in Austen books. His daily heavy handedness is so immense, that when Sir Thomas leaves on a year-long business trip, three of the four Bertram siblings use the opportunity to rebel and act out (literally) by staging a homemade version of a slightly scandalous play. This is the vibe I get from Scott Skiles. He seems to be a decent coach, but I wonder if maybe the youngsters on the Bucks might perform a little better if he would just loosen up a tad?
Sir Walter Elliot (Persuasion)
Sir Walter Elliot never met a mirror he didn't like. He regards flash over substance, ignoring his daughter Anne's sensible advice when he isn't overlooking her altogether. And Sir Walter is so concerned with societal perceptions, that he spends his way into bankruptcy, having to rent out his home to get by. The Seven Seconds or Less Suns, although fun to watch, were ultimately a doomed experiment. Yet, Mike D'Antoni thinks this crowd-pleasing system is a perfect fit for New York, even though the Knicks lack the proper personnel, namely one Steve Nash.
Captain Frederick Wentworth (Persuasion)
When we first meet Frederick Wentworth, he is a young, poor naval officer. Seven years later, through his intelligence and ambition, he has worked his way up to the rank of Captain and has made his fortune. Newly minted Captain Wentworth is well-liked and easily accepted into society. After being a long-time assistant with the Raptors, Jay Triano has finally made it to the top rung as a head coach. Many think he will succeed, citing Triano's basketball knowledge, passion for the game, and good rapport with the players. Plus, where does the first Canadian-born head coach land? The only NBA team in Canada. I think Jane would appreciate that irony.
George Wickham (Pride and Prejudice)
George Wickham, the smarmiest cad in Austen literature, gets his comeuppance in the end. After convincing Lydia Bennet to run off with him (but with no intention of settling down), Wickham is found out and forced to marry her. Now, how is this punishment? Lydia is silly and headstrong; her only concern is the next frivolous party. People tire of her quickly -- much like Mark Cuban. I don't know what Rick Carlisle did to deserve dealing with Cuban on a daily basis, but could it ever compare to the sins of Wickham?
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Elizabeth Elliot (Persuasion)
We all know that former beauty queen who thinks the world revolves around her. Meet Elizabeth Elliot, whose self-absorption meets epic levels. Instead of looking for happiness, she pursues only the approval of the upper reaches of society. I think we all know how I feel about George Karl, but it would be nice this year if he would acknowledge that it's not all about him. The Nuggets' players kinda have something to do with winning, right?
Mrs. Smith (Persuasion)
Poor Mrs. Smith. After her husband dies, she is left impoverished. She then becomes ill and is essentially bed-ridden. But despite all of her trials, Mrs. Smith remains in good spirits and continues to appreciate life. Poor Rick Adelman. First, it's McGrady's injury. Now, Yao's out for the year, and no one knows if he'll be back. Despite the numerous injury issues over the last several seasons, Adelman has adapted to his ever-changing personnel, instilling a scrappy, never quit attitude in the Rockets. Can they compete this year without their biggest stars? Just ask the Lakers.
Lady Catherine De Bourgh (Pride and Prejudice)
The picture of arrogance, Lady Catherine De Bourgh's nobility and wealth cow and intimidate those around her, almost with exception. Her ego knows no bounds. Her slightest whim must be obeyed and her slightest comment never questioned. The Golden State Warriors have a young, athletic roster that should make the playoffs. However, the crazy coaching of Don Nelson often impedes the ultimate goal. Players are either benched or played out of position, based upon Nelson's whim of the day. Or he could just decide to not coach at all.
Mr. Rushworth (Mansfield Park)
Mr. Rushworth is incompetent and boring, yet always well-dressed. Two words: Mike Dunleavy. Need I say more?
Colonel Brandon (Sense and Sensibility)
In his youth, Colonel Brandon falls in love with his father's ward. However, she is married off to his brother, who mistreats and eventually abandons her. Not until he meets Marianne Dashwood, who reminds him of his childhood love, does Colonel Brandon fall in love again. Nate McMillan was "Mr. Sonic", spending his entire playing career in Seattle and then coaching in various positions with the team. However, McMillan seems to have found a new love with the Blazers. During his coaching tenure, the Jail Blazers have ceased to exist, becoming instead a young, talented team generally regarded as a top team in the West. Now, if he can just find some Youngevity for Greg Oden.
Mrs. Bennet (Pride and Prejudice)
Mrs. Bennet is the over-the-top, slightly crazy matchmaker of a mother whose only concern is marrying off her daughters. How is this related to Lionel Hollins? It's not, except that I think Hollins is slightly crazy to want to coach the Grizzlies again. Is it possible to shoot an entire franchise and put their fans out of their misery?
Charlotte Lucas (Pride and Prejudice)
Charlotte Lucas is a sensible 27 year old woman, which in Austen's time meant she was fast approaching old maid territory, if she wasn't in it already. When her friend Elizabeth Bennet refuses Mr. Collins' marriage proposal, he quickly turns his attention to Ms. Lucas. Charlotte determines that the security of marriage is an ample inducement to settle for a less-than-completely-desirable husband. Unable to wait for Phil Jackson to retire, Kurt Rambis has decided that it's worth it to settle for being the head coach of the Timberwolves, instead of waiting for the plum Lakers job. Jumping ship might work out for Rambis, by why not just wait a while longer for the LA position?
Emma Woodhouse (Emma)
Born into privilege, Emma Woodhouse has grown into a spoiled young woman. She views the world as her oyster, making huge errors in judgment along the way. Emma may be an Austen heroine, but I find her supercilious, whiny and just overall annoying. Byron Scott is whiny. Byron Scott annoys me. It's possible this is due to the fact that he coaches Chris Paul and the Hornets, but I doubt it. His stint in New Jersey got under my skin too.
Yes, Gwyneth, you are extremely annoying.
Edward Ferrers (Sense and Sensibility)
Despite being trapped in a secret engagement made in his youth, Edward Ferrers is always trying to do the right thing. He is perceived negatively by others, since he can't pursue his obvious feelings for Elinor Dashwood. Scott Brooks also is trapped by the feelings Sonics fans have towards the ownership of the Thunder. Although, so far, Brooks has proven to be good at his job, he and his team will be always be viewed with a critical eye by NBA fans in general.
Anne Elliot (Persuasion)
Anne Elliot is often overlooked in her sphere. Everyone subconsciously relies on her dependability and good judgment, without appreciating Anne's qualities. She is the only one in her family with any sense. One of my favorite coaches has always been Jerry Sloan. Year after year, he gets the Jazz to compete at a high level, despite roster turnover or drama. Sloan is so dependably good at his job, that his work is often discounted (perhaps somewhat attributable to the forgotten time zone). How has he never won Coach of the Year?
Mrs. Norris (Mansfield Park)
Meet the original overbearing relative - Mrs. Norris. With her constant complaining and unwavering stream of snide remarks, she makes Fanny Price's life a living hell. With his asterisk comment concerning the Spurs' 1999 championship, his questioning of Paul Pierce's injury in the 2008 finals, and his overzealous whining with regards to NBA officiating, Phil Jackson has entered the pantheon of the truly annoying. At least he has been spared the ignominy of being used as a character name for a cat.
Gregg Popovich
And that brings us to Pop. Why no character name? Because honestly, I couldn't decide.
In many ways, Elizabeth Bennet would be the perfect fit. She is intelligent and witty, often using ironic humor in dealing with others. Yet, she also tends to make judgments based solely on first impressions.
Or perhaps, Fitzwilliam Darcy. The male protagonist of Pride and Prejudice is introduced as aloof and arrogant, but those in his inner circle value his friendship and judgment. As the novel progresses, you begin to understand his actions more and more, although Darcy is still never going to be the life of a party.
Or even possibly, Mr. Bennet, Elizabeth's father. When the silliness of his wife and younger daughters gets to be too much, Mr. Bennet often sits back and laughs at them mockingly. He also prefers his own company to the company of others.
Personally, I'm leaning towards Elizabeth as the best fit, but in the true spirit of PtR, I'm going to let you vote. As we all know, you can never have too many polls.
I hope you enjoyed this extended visit into the land of one of my favorite authors. If not, at least you were able to kill some significant time at work. Just be glad this wasn't written by a true Janeite, as they can be just as obsessive as Trekkies.
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i am both scared and confused by this post.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Sep 29, 2009 4:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then my work here is done. This post may appeal to only a small demographic of the world, but I feel the more exposure the world gets to Jane Austen, the better.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Sep 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You crazy, Cap. In a good way. I think.
I voted for Elizabeth, because I believe Pop would definitely be the life of the party.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Sep 29, 2009 7:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the only person in the world who could love this more than I do is Popovich himself. ‘Cause you know he’s read Austen.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i love what this site is becoming.
who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder? there are some who call me ... tim.
by ptruser on Sep 29, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally would like to know what Jane Austen would say about the Axe ad currently featured on SB Nation. Because I can muster nothing more eloquent than “ewwwwww.”
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sexist!
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Sep 29, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say that? I’m all FOR sex!
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Sep 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A pianist is someone who’s all FOR piano. A chemist is all FOR chemistry.
Maybe a sexist is someone who’s all FOR sex.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “8 seconds” one?
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Oct 2, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lauri just vomited a “yes” into her mouth.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Oct 3, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That ad makes me feel stabby.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Oct 3, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been biting my tongue for weeks, but since you guys brought it up, here’s my two cents.
I find it incredibly hypocritical ironic that the SB Nation folks accept all sorts of racy advertising (I especially love the Evony “Come play, my lord” crap with the overflowing cleavage). However, the occasional racy language had them running scared in the past. Is this still the case or does each blog still police itself?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 3, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about SB Nation, but I read Pharyngula,an incredibly atheistic site, and they get extreme right-wing or religious ads all the time. If SB Nation has a deal with Google Ads, they don’t actually get to control the content of the ads, Google does.
If you haven't lived with a squirrel, you haven't lived. - Bob Ross
by Hipuks on Oct 3, 2009 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Each blog polices itself. SBNation really only has two rules. No profanity in the titles and a general no hating on a group thing.
I actually asked for that particular ad to be removed from parts of the site.
A funny aside, the web site that I own manages volunteers and we have a lot of churches that use us. We got a couple emails about the “I’m ready to serve My Lord” (or whatever the second one that came out was) as being SLIGHTLY inappropriate for their crowd.
You can’t control which Google ads get put on your site, but you can keep ads from being put on your site.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Oct 3, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So… I can’t title a BITCH SESSION post this season? I"m totally bummed. ;-)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 3, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a general no hating on a group thing.
Awww… that’s so sad, Olf… we hardly knew you. ;-)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 5, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does tie our hands a little, bella. Although, with olf being the lone Laker fan who regularly hangs out here, does he qualify as a “group”? And do Laker fans need that additional protection?
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking No hating on a (Spurs fans) group kind of thing. But mostly I’m just doing it to annoy Olf.
I think it’s working… is it working?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why FSM invented AdBlock and Firefox. I didn’t know PTR had adds till I checked it from a cybercafe that had IE.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Oct 3, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve just come to ignore everything that’s to the side of what I’m reading. That’s why I didn’t know about the fanposts and fanshots sections for such a long time … because I assumed they were advertisements.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 4, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use FIrefox and I see the ads. . . .
WWTD?
by Lauri on Oct 5, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go get AdBlock then. It sounds like it is a Firefox plug-in.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Oct 5, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is. Probably the most popular one, too. Crawl out from beneath that rock, Lauri.
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by LatinD on Oct 5, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There should be an option there for us ignoramuses that have not read it.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm… read it them
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 29, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But doesn’t the last option kind of cover that category ex vi termini?
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right… I withdraw my request.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen King Characters could also be good...
Wow… just… wow.
I could imagine a Melville-centric analysis of Popovich’s coaching style, casting Pop as an overbearing Ahab beneath who’s stare all reporters and commentators wither and fade while he drives his men relentlessly before him with hubristic demands for an unachievable perfection… I can easily envision a Cervantian tale in which the aging but proud Spurs charge headlong towards a distant windmill in hopes of one last glorious victory before Time itself comes to collect it’s due… Perhaps, one could even pen a sprawling Tolstoy-style epic of the Spurs’ organization, starting from the drafting of Robinson to the uncertain future of the present day; instead of War and Peace, Victory and Defeat.
But of all the literary metaphors, similes, and allegories possible… I would perhaps never have thought to use Austen characters. Kudos for the high degree of difficulty.
emmm… I have to go with Mr. Bennet… Bottom line, I don’t think any of Austen’s characters, except perhaps for DeBourgh, are overbearing and gruff enough to be a good fit, and DeBourgh is too spiteful to be anyone but Mark Cuban. I say Mr. Bennet because he’s at least the right basic character, but he’s got the wrong temperment – Bennet is almost infinitely patient, while Popovich is well-known as a hot-head. Darcy, by comparison, superficially matches Pop’s temperment in lack of patience and short manners, but in little else. And Elizabeth… well, if you have to match her with anyone, it has to be Duncan. He already called the part.
chaos... panic... pandemonium... my work here is done.
by rick.2g on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for E. Bennett, but you, sir, have changed my mind.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 29, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words. Maybe I’ll have to make this a continuing series. Tolstoy would be good, but would also require numerous flowcharts, and the re-reading of War and Peace. Hmmm.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Sep 29, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All happy basketball teams are alike; every unhappy team is unhappy in its own way.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 29, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you’ve gone and made me want to read it again! And I probably ought to.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anna Karenina is way up there in my favorite list. Maybe at the top.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me, it seemed like W&P was kind of a warm up for AK.
I wasn’t able to get through AK the first time I tried (and it was a library book, had to be returned) but after I’d finished W&P it was such an easier read b/c I could see so much easier where Tolstoy was going. And I didn’t get bogged down with the parts where Levin is traveling on his own, and during the voting section where he seems so foolish. Neither of which I particularly enjoyed, but I’m sure Leo had his reasons.
But the internal dialogue where Levin’s experiencing all of the build up to proposing, and the pre-wedding bits, as well as the ceremony itself; those (and the passages like them for Anna, Karenin, etc) are simply nonpareil. Tolstoy’s ability to speak from the mind of a character, reveal his/her thought processes and carry on in that mode for extended stretches while simultaneously telling their story and making them sympathetic — and doing that for so many, and such different characters — is astounding, enjoyable and just about everything you could want from the kind of novels he wrote.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I alerted an English teacher friend who is also a basketball fan to this post. Very clever, indeed!
by janieannie on Sep 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a blog devoted to Spurs basketball must be in want of an extended Austen metaphor.
I can see persuasive (heh) evidence for Elizabeth, Mr Bennet and Mr Darcy…but adding up all I know of Pop, and voting my heart here, I’d pick Capt Frederick Wentworth—for the Capt’s personal confidence and professional boldness and success, his admiration for getting shit done, and (IT’S BEEN TOO LONG SINCE I READ PERSUASION) what I think I’m remembering correctly as generally having little use for twits.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Sep 29, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wentworth may be an inspired choice. But the one catch, for me at least, is that I just don’t see him as a captain that screams at his rookie greenhorn poing guard cabin boy in order to get him to do his job correctly.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I don’t know. Maybe under the right circumstances. I can’t really see Mr Bennet or Mr Darcy unloading in such a manner on their—I don’t know, cabin boys analogous—either.
Elizabeth, maybe. If nobody was looking.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Sep 30, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elizabeth would be absolutely brutal. But it would be behind their back in a conversation with Jane. And there would be scathing barbs.
Oh, the barbs.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great first line, Queness. And you should read Persuasion again. It’s truly underrated.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Oct 1, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should. I love Persuasion, maybe even more than P&P. I’m not sure I could honestly pick between the two.
But for great opening lines, P&P’s got it. :)
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Oct 1, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. they’re both at the top of my list. 1A and 1B, if you will.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 2, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I be ashamed that I’ve never read Jane Austin?
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by dmcnulla on Sep 30, 2009 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Sep 30, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, just wow.
The funny thing for me is that, although I’ve read Pride and Persuasion, Sense and Sensibility, and Emma at least a couple of times each, I only just got around to reading Persuasion a couple of weeks ago. I guess it’s time to read Mansfield Park as well.
I totally voted for Mr. Darcy: abrasive to people he doesn’t respect, respected and beloved by people who know him.
If you keep the series going, the mind boggles with what you could do with the Inferno. Avarice, sloth, fraud, treason — what’s not to love? Plus, I think there should be a rule that the Grizzlies locker room has to have a sign posted on the door, “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.”
by wanorris on Sep 30, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I havent read any of these but isnt it Pride and Prejudice?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shortened the title. He’s talking about two different books…
- Pride and Prejudice
- Persuasian.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright Im slow today, but I keep occasioning interesting things. I also love persuasians. The mixing of Peruvians and Asians yields wonderful looking babies.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good catch, LE!
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Inferno is looking more and more likely as that idea wanders around my skull. Thanks for the suggestion.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Oct 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep misreading that boxed quote as “I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of killing them.”
Which doesn’t make much sense in the context of Austen, but kind of does in the context of Pop.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Dexter.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Sep 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dexter needs the troubled, but deep down Harry taught him the average man is good. That is what makes the show so awesome. He is a serial killer who loves and believes in humanity (even if he doesn’t experience all of the feelings a “normal” person would).
by BlaseE on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hyped for the new season?
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 7, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been watching it. It started good but last weeks episode felt like filler. To avoid any spoilers, Angel’s new relationship is completely unneeded and annoying.
by BlaseE on Oct 8, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when they dive into useless and un-entertaining relationship drivel instead of moving the narrative along.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 8, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaagghhh! Stop it… I haven’t had a chance to watch Episode 2.
BTW- I don’t like Angel’s new relationship, either.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 8, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m absolutely incapable of spoiling anything as I haven’t seen any of the episodes yet.
I’m just intrigued with the idea of the show and know that I’ll likely watch it all eventually.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 9, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first season is epic. If you tell yourself the show can never match that level of greatness, the other seasons can be really really great too. By comparison though, they aren’t half as epic. It is like comparing a really good player to Manu or Duncan. Yeah, they are really good, but they aren’t Manu or Duncan. Yes, I just said season 1 of Dexter is like the Manu or Duncan of television show seasons.
Jimmy Smits does one of the greatest television acting performances ever in Season 3 though. His character is just amazine.
by BlaseE on Oct 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I’d hear that said about Jimmy Smits. I’m not arguing. I’m just saying.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 9, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never really seen him in anything else so I don’t really know what you mean. I mean the only two things I can name off the top of my head are terrible Star Wars and NYPD Blue.
by BlaseE on Oct 10, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He first made it big (relatively speaking) in L.A. Law, and 80’s TV show that, at that point, was the first lawyer-based prime time drama in ages. Then he was the bad guy in Running Scared which is actually a pretty funny cop-buddy film with … Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines.
Yes. You read that correctly.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree, Blase. The relationship between Dexter and Prado was one of the highlights of the 3rd season. I went from hating Prado to loving him to just being wowed. I loved the interaction between these two characters… they just kept feeding off each other.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 10, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
::nod::
9.20.21.24.34
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by Tim C. on Oct 9, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOL!
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Oct 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when people go all out literary and I cant understand a shit of what they said.
I demand a version of this fanpost with child tales.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
by Chilai on Sep 30, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Once upon a time there was a mean old man with a heart of gold. Almost everyone was scared of him because he told Craig Sager to go f*uck himself. But those who knew him well knew of his magical powers. He shared his wisdom with a group of worthy men who then won the championship 4 times and the mean old man was even seen to smile. But he still hates Craig Sager.
The end.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Sep 30, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that story. Dickens.
"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50
by theonlyromeo on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, that dude that dresses like he’s been staring at the sun? That’s awesome.
Hilariously maladjusted. But for all the right reasons.
by Queness on Sep 30, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that’s some literature i can get behind
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
by Chilai on Oct 1, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, “Where the Wild Things Are” is a great children’s book that happens to be coming out in movie form soon …
by Gino20 on Oct 1, 2009 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a sequel to the classic “Why good girls go bad. . .and where to find them.”?
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by olf on Oct 1, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I thought this post was great — even though I am not well-versed in Jane’s ish.
by Gino20 on Oct 1, 2009 5:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pop is definitely Mr. Darcy.
He is the best coach in the NBA, doesn’t care about his critics, & his players respect his judgement.
If less is more, imagine how much more more would be.
by JonnyJam on Oct 1, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ, nice take.
And an even better sig.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 1, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got around to reading this last night (using ATS’s iphone app), and it is awesome even though I went all the way through high school and college (engineering) without ever reading a single Austen book. My girlfriend won’t even let me watch Pride and Prejudice. She watches it all the time, and turns it off if I come in the room. She fears I’ll ruin it.
The only experience I actually remember of Austen is an episode of Wishbone (Pride and Predjudice) I saw about 13 years ago.

Wishbone as Darcy….It really was a decent show if you have kids. Growing up, we didn’t get cable until my junior year of high school. I think that was only because my dad wanted to watch shows about the stock market (a new hobby) at lunch.
Ivanhound, anyone? If a dog with a mace and shield isn’t cool, I just don’t know what is.

by BlaseE on Oct 6, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just saw about this on Austenblog; you’ve officially been outed.
As a card-carrying Jane-ite type, I salute you, gentlemen.
I’m not a huge NBA fan, but you don’t have to be to enjoy the brilliance of your critique.
If only those morons who keep producing lame Austen paraliterature had half your wit.
by OriginalCyn on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to PTR. Caphill is actually a gentle-woman. You say you aren’t much of an NBA fan, but if you ever wanted to be, the Spurs are your team. If you appreciate the intelligent nature of this post, it characterizes the spirit of our team and our coaching. Plus, we are winners.
by BlaseE on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OriginalCyn, thanks so much for dropping in, and taking the trouble to sign up for an account in order to post. (Something I’ve not yet done on over there.)
But, as PtR’s resident pedant where spelling and punctuation is concerned, I find myself compelled to ask: isn’t it supposed to be “AustenBlog” ?
;-)
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 7, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Scare the new person away, why don’t you JRW.
Ignore him Cyn, he’s just one of our most OCD members. Oh, and welcome to PtR and your new favorite team. :-)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Oct 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Janite who frequents AustenBlog, I think OriginalCyn would appreciate the reference I made to the detail (tongue-in-cheek though it may be) with which they specify the way the name of the blog is preferred to be spelled.
To summarize: this was more an allusion to their affectation of OCD, than it was a busting on Cyn for lack of attention to detail.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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