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Roster Roulette and the San Antonio Spurs

By now, everyone knows that the Spurs recently signed Curtis Jerrells and Keith Bogans.  That makes 19 players that will be at training camp for the Spurs, with one spot still left to be filled.  Let's explore the impact of this a little bit more, especially the Bogans signing.

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A Good Problem to Have

With Bogans now onboard, these 14 players have guaranteed contracts for the 2009-10 season:

[List is in order of how much the Spurs are paying each player]

Tim Duncan
Richard Jefferson
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Antonio McDyess
Roger Mason, Jr.
Matt Bonner
Michael Finley
George Hill
Keith Bogans
Ian Mahinmi
Marcus Haislip
DeJuan Blair
Theo Ratliff

In addition, these 5 players have varying degrees of non-guaranteed contracts.  This post is going to concentrate on them:

Marcus Williams(partial guarantee)
Malik Hairston(partial guarantee)
James Gist
Jack McClinton(UPDATE: The Spurs have waived Jack)
Curtis Jerrells

That brings us up to the currently known 19-player training camp roster.

NBA teams are allowed to have 13-15 players on their rosters during the season, so if they wanted to, the Spurs could tell everyone else to go to hell and stick with the 14 that are guaranteed. With the Spurs so far over the luxury tax threshold, keeping only 14 players wouldn't be a big shock.  In years past, they always seemed to keep a roster spot or two open, in case somebody becomes available off of waivers later in the season(see:  Drew Gooden, 2009).  So, keep in mind that the Spurs may not keep any of the players who are unguaranteed.

That's not to say that it's impossible for two or more of the players on that list to make the team, either.  As one of the commenters at 48MoH recently pointed out, it wouldn't cost the Spurs a whole lot of money to release Ratliff, Bogans or Haislip.  There's also the possibility of a salary dump trade for a draft pick - the primes candidates being Matt Bonner and Michael Finley.  New Orleans recently traded Rasual Butler for a second round pick in 2016, so it's not like it would be unprecedented for a team to do this.  And even though I think everyone remembers the last time the Spurs made a trade for salary-dumping reasons, I'm not saying they woulg be stupid enough to give up anything like that again - just Bonner, or Finley.

The bottom line here is that the Spurs have plenty of options, and our assumptions about what they might do may be completely wrong.

The Hopefuls

Marcus Williams

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Marcus has been in the NBA a couple of times already, doing short stints with the Clippers and Spurs.  However, last season in Austin, Marcus had a breakout year as a 6' 7" point guard(yes, I know that's not proper PtR spelling).  This intrigued the Spurs front office, since team passing is one of the things the Spurs have stressed in their offensive sets for several years.  Marcus had several triple-doubles for the Toros toward the end of the D-league season and was the unquestioned leader of that team.  So good were his performances, the Spurs actually waived Malik Hairston in order to sign Marcus to a contract and keep him away from other teams.  To be honest, his season in Austin is all we have to go by at this point.  Hopefully we'll get to see plenty of Marcus during training camp and preseason, and perhaps he'll give us a better idea of what he can bring to the Spurs.

Malik Hairston

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When Malik wasn't dunking on Vince Carter, he was quietly impressive on defense in his stint with the Spurs last season.  This is a particularly surprising given how long players typically take(1 to 2 full seasons) to learn the Spurs' defensive schemes.  Williams missed summer league this year due to a minor wrist injury, but Hairston was quietly(there's that word again) the most consistent player on the Spurs' SL team.  Most impressive to my mind is his utter lack of ego: after all of those games, he wasn't asking for any attention - he let DeJuan, George and Ian take the credit while accepting his role on the team with incredible poise and efficiency.  He shot at or near 50% in every game, with a great number of those shots coming from behind the arc, and this addressed the biggest prior weakness in his game - the utter lack of a jumpshot.  The improvement was remarkable.  This man can play, and the Spurs would be wise to keep him around.

James Gist

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James is coming off of a pretty good season with Angelico Biella, the Italian League team hand-picked by the Spurs to aid in his development.  He's a bit undersized for a PF, but he's an athletic slasher who also shoots well from beyond the Euro arc.  What remains to be seen is whether James has the ability to play SF - he seems to have a lot of the skills required for the position, but there are questions about his ability to defend the wing at the NBA level.  His all-around game has improved in Europe, but it may not be enough to earn him a spot, especially with the amount of talent he now has to compete with in training camp.  Also, Haislip is very similar as a basketball player - but 2 inches taller and more polished.  It's going to be extremely difficult for Gist to prove that he belongs on the team, but stranger things have happened.  I mean, the JV happened... right?

Curtis Jerrells

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We all know that the Spurs FO seems to have a knack for finding the diamond in the rough.  This is not one of those times.  Curtis Jerrells was a decent player for Baylor, but his four seasons in Waco didn't see a significant improvement in any one area of his game.  He took a lot of shots, which meant that he had a decent scoring average, but his shooting percentages were decidedly average.  When looking over his stat sheet, the only thing that says "Spurs" is the 77% free throw shooting.  This is Jack McClinton without the shooting ability, and unless he's inexplicably improved almost every aspect of his game over the summer, Jerrells is going to be cut quickly.  However, this won't be the end of the line for Jerrells - a season with the Toros might be the help he needs with his game to get his career off the ground.

Your Input

Now, the ball's in your court.  Metaphorically, of course.  Tell us who you think will make the cut in the poll, or in the comments.  If you think more than one of these guys will make it, there's an option for that, too.

Poll
Which of these players will make the Spurs' opening day roster?
Marcus Williams
241 votes
Malik Hairston
377 votes
Jack McClinton (Waived 9/23/09)
17 votes
James Gist
23 votes
Curtis Jerrells
21 votes
More than one of the above
71 votes
None of the above
94 votes

844 votes | Poll has closed

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IMO Hairston deserves the spot, he’s NBA ready right now, but I think M.Williams is going to get that spot, only because the FO is pretty high on him.

and alsp, dont sleep on J.McClinton, he’s got an outside shot of making the team, he’s got one thing going for him, he’s the best shooter of those players, we all know how pop loves shooters. If he gets hot during training camp and the preseason, is going to be hard to cut him.

by spursfan87 on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Three step process to finalize the Spurs’ roster:

1. Tell Finley that if he retired this season, he would be eligible for the Hall of Fame as early as 2014. And that Peter Holt, with his renewed status among the rich and powerful in the NBA, can easily appoint him as an inductee. Tell him that if the Suns’ owner can pay enough people to make Nash a back-to-back MVP winner, then Holt can definitely make him a first-ballot HOFer. (They used to play together, so there’s the emotional angle too.)

2. Dupe Bonner into believing that he is exactly the type of player that professional basketball leagues in Yugoslavia need. Don’t forget to mention that redheads are considered gods in those places, that he will be paid in pure gold, and that “Red Rocket” is such an endearing term for them. Reinforce how Yugsolavia almost beat the team from Atlantis for the World Championship of the Universe.

3. Relate to Gist, Jerrells, and McClinton the true story of how Bill Russell was once cut by the Celtics, and was thus forced to play in the D-league, but shined so much that he was voted NBA MVP, DPOY, and ROY in the same year—despite not playing in the big league. If they see through your bluff and point out that Russell was never MVP-caliber, then say the magic words: Leroy Smith.

What’s all the fuss about? It’s that easy. If any of the previous steps fails, then there’s always plan B: trade Williams, Hairston, McClinton, Gist and Jerrells for LeBron. Threaten to take back Ferry’s ring if he doesn’t agree.

Damn, I’m bored.

"Yes, it's important that I have good numbers, and I'm well-respected as a player. But I think it's more important that I'm respected as a man." - Some Tall Guy Who Wore #50

by theonlyromeo on Sep 23, 2009 3:16 AM CDT reply actions  

ei

guys i made some “trade” using http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
last time and there are trades using finley and bonner that really went well to tell you…try kevin durant,micael beasley,oj mayo,i think d.rose,rudy gay,raja,and battier…but hey its more like a game but we hopeful fans would love to see a gasol type of trade not losing something for one good trdae…well not all of them are made from a bonner finley but try things with this guys or other spurs except that of the big 3 dyss and blair…and good trades may come…but its too futuristic though…

by tp_09 on Sep 23, 2009 5:56 AM CDT reply actions  

ei

wel to tell you malik did well and i really think that he can be good for us…but marcus…his having that inch over him so why not give hairston like a 30day contract?!and marcus a 30day contract and you know b4 the playoff comes or the day wer you need to have the guys for playoffs why not choose who’s better…if ever theres a 30 day contract…hahaha

by tp_09 on Sep 23, 2009 6:06 AM CDT reply actions  

bonner...loooser?hmmm

dump bonner or trade him away…or with fin i mean his playing his last yr and hey i dont ant him to go but for a better team to improve we even sacrificed bruce bowen right…try using espn trade machine and you’ll see some trades using bonner/finley that are way too futuristic but hey we might have a gasol type of trade here!

by tp_09 on Sep 23, 2009 6:10 AM CDT reply actions  

jack

jack is a shooter i really do believe he just had those george hill type of summer but hey idk if he can bounce back like hill maybe ave 5-9 pts for him wont hurt…and hey get hot when playing for pop ok?!cuz u got williams and malik who are ready to pop out(malik so underrated IMO in the Fo…marcus…yeah idk hy still they signed other guys if there too high on him…hmmmm….smells so fishy…)

by tp_09 on Sep 23, 2009 6:11 AM CDT reply actions  

i disagree with the assessment of curtis jerrells. his shooting accuracy and general offensive ability very much increased during his time at baylor. he also went from straight gunner to PG and ball handler in his last couple of years.

he is the type of guy who COULD (not will) be an eddie house type scorer in the league. he is accurate from long range and has the knack for hitting the timely big shot – he also knows how to shoot the jumper with someone in his grill. i like him and i like the invite. however, i think is is more the rough cut at this point and needs to face NBA caliber opposition to see if he can raise his game. my take is that the jerrells invite is basically an insurance policy in jack mack.doesnt turn out like we all think he will.

by bones on Sep 23, 2009 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Can Jerrells play D because isn’t that one of the things that drew RC and Pop to Jack Mack in the first place?

by BlaseE on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

and jack mac wasnt so much of a defender in his college days – so im not sure what they were looking at there. i would say that jerrels, like jack mac, have the skills to defend…..if they want to.

the difference in jerrels and mac is that jerrles is prolly better at putting the ball on the floor on his way to the hoop, whereas jack mac was more of a pure shooter……jack mac….we barely knew ye…..

by bones on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I for one, will miss the potential that Jack Attack carried around his person like so much B.O.

Too bad he didna agree to play in Europe for a year.

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Sep 28, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you need any hlelp with your typing, jrw?

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ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Sep 28, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frequently!

But in this case I was attempting the Irish accent thing with “didna” instead of “didn’t”. Perhaps it should have been “did’na”?

Don’t know why I went Irish there, but that’s how I heard it in my head as I was typing. Maybe it was the European thing.

Anyway, any reason’s a good one to use new Lexicon fodder.

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Overall, this has to be the best/deepest training camp roster we’ve ever had. I mean we are having a debate over our 15th man who might see maybe 5 minutes per game or even split time with the Toros. I love it.

by BlaseE on Sep 23, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

But wherrrrrrrre will training camp be?

WWTD?

by Lauri on Sep 23, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

San Antonio, I believe.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney

by bellasa on Sep 23, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to be a naysayer but I really hope all these new players and the potential we get so hyped up on comes to fruition. I mean all these guys have one little thing they can do right it seems but they’re all really fighting for the same opportunities (I’m including guys like George and Ian in this)

I would LOVE to see Marcus Williams doing his point forward thing but what I’d REALLY like to see is George handle the backup point guard duties like we drafted him for. We don’t have the minutes for 4 different point guards/offense initiators to get time.

I really appreciate the FO using these extra roster spots to get some young guys with potential instead of old guys that are useless (I’m looking at you JV) but they need to finish the job and ship off Bonner. Love the guy but we got Mace and Findog and San Antonio Mcdyess can even hit from over 20 feet out. And I’m not ok with trading Finley until we know that Hairston, McClinton, or Bogans can shoot in the NBA. I like how well Jack shot in college but the line just stretched out 3 feet fella.

by Rich Town on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I’m with you on Finley, even though the guy can’t guard anybody on defense, the guy can still shoot and he’s shown that he’s clutch when it comes down to it. Bonner, while I like the guy, he definitely overachieved last year. Guys like that have a spot in NBA rosters (Look at Jason Kapono) but they’re not go-to players.

I too hope some of these younger guys can contribute, but I’m trying to be both realistic about it while I am obviously excited about the additions.

by xman130 on Sep 23, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah remember the final game of the season against the Hornets? He hit the game-tying 3 and we won in OT. We could’ve/would’ve been the 5 seed but we ended up the 3 with that win. The rest is disappointing history but still… the old man is clutch.

by Rich Town on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Sep 23, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we can say goodbye to McClinton the spurs have anooced they have waived him.

GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)

by Manu-20 on Sep 23, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep… just fanshot-ed it.

"If you think Tony Parker is better than Manu Ginobili, you need to stop drinking before you come in here." - Charles Barkley, to Kenny Smith.

by Ed (dfjmed) on Sep 23, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post, Tim.

Honestly, I still can’t make sense of the Bogans signing. There has to be a trade we’re not seeing.

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by LatinD on Sep 23, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, the thought’s entered my mind… especially now with the Jones signing. Why invite another big to camp when you already have 7 under contract?

::hoping Bonner is gone::

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Sep 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for another “state of the Spurs” post, rik. I’m gonna go all-Stampler on this one: there are no trades coming. They’re just camp bodies.

by silverandblack_davis on Sep 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hairston or Williams???

One of these two will make the team this year and one might not. In a straight up evaluation between the two, Hairston probably would get the not based upon prior NBA experience. But it isn’t as simple as that. Unless they trade Finley or Ginobli can’t make the planned comeback the Spurs are pretty loaded at the two guard and small forward spot. Hairston can play those two positions well. Williams on the other hand has begun to prove that he can play the point with ever increasing expertise. The Spurs were thinking of trading for a third string pg, but with Williams showing considerable promise that he can direct the team, the support he is getting from Tim Duncan, Williams will probably get the shot. Hairston will only make the team if some oldler player is traded or released. A lot of career making or breaking decisions are on Pop’s and Buford’s plate this upcoming training camp. It is probably the toughest thing for a coach to have to do. My prayers go with ol’ greybeard.

by jimjule on Sep 26, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, I tend to agree that Williams makes the most sense for the team. Even though I think Hairston is going to end up being the better player in this league, he sort of becomes the odd man out with Bogans aboard as a wing. Unless there’s a trade, of course.

9.20.21.24.34
ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Sep 26, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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