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My Team Is Better Than Yours: Memphis Grizzlies Edition

Before I start, I want to say I'm going to be playing with the format a little bit.  You're going to see more of a focus on the future and less on last season.  I'm going to be trying out some different things over the next couple so leave any suggestions or complaints in the comments.

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Our team this time is the Grizzlies, and their franchise is in serious trouble.  If it is any consolation to Memphis fans, you are the worst team in the best division...Oh, this is going to be rough.

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The music choice is all about timing and nothing about Memphis, Grizzlies, Bears, leaving Canada, youth, or putting your faith in the draft.  Anchor and Braille (lead singer of Anberlin side project produced by lead singer of Copeland) just released his/their first album yesterday.  Here is the best version of any of the songs I could find on youtubeThis one isn't bad either.

FSN Season Stats Head to Head

Last season, they were a poor defensive rebounding team.  They rank 28th in defensive boards and 7th in offensive boards given up.  Not good.  There biggest problem though was their lack of scoring.  They scored the second least of any team at 93.9 per game.  They were dead last in assists too.  LD, my gag reflex is already acting up.  I guess they really had a tough debate between drafting a point guard or getting a big with those awful stats.

 

 

Last Season's Games

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Who will guard this guy next year?  Hopefully not Mason or Finley. via 3.bp.blogspot.com

Mon, November 24  @ Memphis  We win 94-81. "San Antonio gets boost from Ginobili in win over Memphis"

Fri, November 28 Memphis  We win 109-98. "Parker solid in return, sparks Spurs to fourth straight win in reserve role"

Sat, December 27  Memphis  We win 106-103. "Parker's late baskets, Finley's block lift Spurs in double overtime"

Fri, January 2  @  Memphis  We win 91-80. "Duncan-led Spurs pull away from Grizz in third"

Three double digit wins and a double overtime win equals four good Spurs games in my book.  OJ Mayo scored 26, 32, 29, and 12 in the 4 games for a 24.8 average on 53.2% shooting.  Hakim Warrick was their best bench player in the 4 games scoring but wasn't very good on the boards.  They shot a combined 14 of 52 from 3 in the 4 games for a measly 26.9%.  Kyle Lowry lead them in assists and steals per game against us.  They traded him to Houston.

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Manu played in all 4 games.  Tony only played in 3 and only started for 2 of those.  Bruce, Finley and Mason started the games Tony didn't play.  Duncan, Parker, and Manu were good as usual.  George Hill was excellent.  He played 19.5 minutes per game scoring 9 points per.  He added 2.8 assists, 1.75 steals, and only .8 TO's.  He also had almost 4 FTA's per game which tied Manu.

 

Grizzlies Roster Changes

They waived Jerry Stackhouse.  They traded Darko Milicic, Greg Buckner, and Quentin Richardson.  They lost Quinton Ross and Hakim Warrick in free agency.  They have not signed Chris Mihm, Darius Miles, or Mike Wilks.

They drafted three big names in the draft:  UCONN's Hasheem Thabeet (2), Missouri's DeMarre Carroll (27), and Pitt's Sam Young (36).  They really tried to improve their front court with Thabeet (C) and Carroll (PF).  I mentioned the rebounding problems.  Thabeet was a good rebounder, 11th or so in college, but he wasn't even the best rebounder in his conferenceI think it was some guy from Pitt.  Carroll had fair rebounding stats in college, but is a  dynamic scorer. Draft Express says he is an NBA PF.  ESPN says he is a SF.  I'm siding with Draft Express.   Sam Young is an athletic SF and was taken one pick before Blair.  When he was drafted is when we went crazy in case you don't remember.  If Blair had been taken at 36 and we got Young, I probably would have still been excited.  He is a good player.  If he does not pan out as a good role player then I place the blame for that on Memphis's staff.

The only other player they have added is Zach Randolph. They only started playing last year's rookie Hamed Haddadi after our 4 games with us.  He is another center.  That puts them at 12 players by my count.  They are  in serious money troubles and will run at the league minimum of 13 I figure.  They need to add a player.  I think they desperately need a veteran PG.

*Edit.  They signed Marcus Williams (The Evil One).  I missed it as both ESPN and NBA.com failed to add it.

 

The Match-Up

Starters

PG: Tony Parker versus Mike Conley: Advantage Spurs: Parker just wins this one.  Conley isn't as good as people thought he would be or maybe he is...

SG: Roger Mason versus O.J. Mayo: Advantage Grizzlies:  O.J. Mayo was likely the runner up to Derrick Rose in last year's rookie of the year votes.  He is a serious talent.  He scored a lot last season on Mason too.  Hill and Manu need to defend him.

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SF: Richard Jefferson versus Rudy Gay: Advantage Spurs:  RJ is the better all around player.  Gay is super athletic and a descent player, but he lacks consistency.  He needs to reduce the number of games he has shooting under 35%.  He can hit the 3, but I'd like to see a coach tell him he isn't allowed to shoot it, really force him to put his head down and be aggressive to the goal every time he touches it.  He would get more FTA's too.

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PF: Antonio McDyess versus Zach Randolph: Advantage Spurs:  Both players were about the same at about 10 rebounds per game last year.  Zach Randolph scores a lot more, but he was playing on the Clippers.  McDyess is the better defender and the better team player.

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C: Tim Duncan versus Marc Gasol: Advantage Spurs:  Not as good as his brother and that means he is even further from the greatness of Tim.  He is not quite ready to be handed off to the Lakers yet, but he is very promising.

Bench:

Point Guard:  Hill vs No one....oh not good for Memphis.....*or Marcus Williams.  This is actually a really good match up for Hill, but I think Williams won it in Summer League.  That is summer league though, and who knows what our coaching staff was asking him to do, especially in that final game.

Wings: Manu, Finley, Hairston, and Williams vs Sam Young, Marko Jaric, and Greg Buckner:  I think Manu could beat them 1 on 3 in a halfcourt game.  Full court, I'd have to give them the advantage.  At least on offense and the glass.

Front Court: Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner, Haislip, and Ratliff vs DeMarre Carroll, Hasheem Thabeet, Hamed Haddadi, and Darrell Arthur: We now what happens when Blair and Thabeet play.  We also saw Mahinmi play well against him in Summer League.  ATS said, " Ian Mahinmi really played well, or at least aggressively, going after Hasheem Thabeet.  Ian had 15 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocked shots."  Bonner can hit 3's as most of their bigs are young or slow and won't close out.  Haislip is probably more athletic than most of their bench.  Ratliff will prey on their youth with his timing as well.  Memphis, your bigs are really bad, but they have potential.  Maybe they will develop into legitimate stars in their next cities, whether they get traded or the team gets moved....

Coaching:  Advantage Spurs.  It is like Harry Potter and Defense of Dark Arts professors.  You have a new one every year like the position is cursed.

Result: Spurs won't drop a single game.  It is the division and they will step up to sweep all four games.  These will be brutal beatdowns.  I expect Manu or Duncan to not even play in these games.  Memphis doesn't have any sort of depth and our young players can keep up better.  Ratliff and Dice will dominate them in the paint on defense too.

 

The Schedule

Sat, Jan 16 at Memphis: SEGABABA (first game @ Charlotte) and third game of a four game road trip.  Also our 4th game in 5 days.  We have a Lakers-@ Thunder back to back before this one.

Fri, Jan 29 vs Memphis: Fifth game of a six game homestand before the RRT.

Sat, Mar 6 at Memphis: SEGABABA (first game is Hornets in SA).  First game of a 2 game road trip (Cleveland).

Fri, Apr 9 vs Memphis: First game of a back to back (SEGABABA is @ Nuggets).  Second to last home game and second to last division game.  4th to last game overall.

We play them four times and they are all Friday and Saturday games.  Three of them are back to backs so we can definitely rest Duncan or Manu in those games.  So that is the Spurs-Grizzlies preview for next season.  Next up is the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Past entries in this series: Thunder, Clippers, Wizards and Kings.

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RG vs RJ: Rudy Gay vs. Richard Jefferson
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Battle of the M-A-Consonant-Vowel: Manu vs Mayo
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Pitt/Draft Reunion: No. 36 Sam Young and No. 37 DeJuan Blair
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Randolph/Gasol vs Duncan/McDyess
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Summer League Redo (w/ Blair): Blair, Mahinmi, Hill, and Hairston vs Thabeet, Haddadi, Young, and Carroll
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Just had to mention… Memphis has a backup PG: the other Marcus Williams.

Re-sign Bruce Bowen!

by Tim C. on Aug 5, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

and Carroll played SF in Summer league… at least, from what I could tell.

Re-sign Bruce Bowen!

by Tim C. on Aug 5, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn, he wasn’t on nba.com or espn…..

by BlaseE on Aug 5, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I edited it to add him but also left it in its original form.

by BlaseE on Aug 5, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even though he dissed our RJ, but I’m not connected enough to him yet to get truly upset about it.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 6, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the new format, Blase. After reading this, if we don’t sweep the Grizzlies this year, than I’ll be upset. And I think Carroll will end up being a better pro than Hashame. In college, he was one of those great garbage post guys, just finding ways to score.

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Aug 5, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. This works, is easier to read and enjoy.

Here’s a JTU for you.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 6, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post Blase. Show me those 4 Division wins, and keep em comin’!

"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

by Ed (dfjmed) on Aug 5, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Great write-up. I think this year’s Griz will be different in one respect: their problem won’t be scoring. With Mayo, Gay, and Randolph, they’ll be able to put up some points. But they won’t defend anyone. At all. Ever. The key, as you pointed out, is their bench. They let Hakim Warrick go, who was probably their best bench player last season.

Every time I get discouraged about the Spurs not winning in 04 or 06, I think about a friend of mine who is from Memphis. He hates me discussing SA because every year for 20 straight years (except the Admiral-injury season, which netted us TD) we have been in contention for a title. Pity the Grizz fans. Both of them.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

by spurchief on Aug 5, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Grizzlies

Just a few points of clarification. DeMarre Carroll is playing SF not PF. Greg Buckner is not on the team (traded in the deal to acquire Stackhouse who was bought out) so he should be replaced by Sam Young as the bench wing. Marcus Williams has not been signed by the Grizzlies yet (although it is imminent). Finally, the Grizzlies are not in serious financial trouble mainly because of the willingness of the front office (meaning owner Mike Heisley) to do financial deals like the one with Dallas where Memphis actually made money buying out Stackhouse and a ridiculously low payroll.

Those are all facts.

In my opinion I don’t see how you can say McDyes is a better player than Zach Randolph. Randolph averaged 20.8/10.1 last year. McDyes averaged 9.6 and 9.8. It’s your blog but that is a bit overdoing the homerism in my opinion. Randolph was 14th in the league in double-doubles last season despite playing on two very different teams and missing 32 games due to injury or misdeeds. McDyes is a fine player and as you say a much better teammate but when you are talking about head to head matchups I think you have to view them head to head.

Oh and I think the games will be closer this season but Memphis would have to get very lucky to win against the Spurs who have had the best off-season of any NBA team. It is interesting that you reference the Gasol trade (that got Memphis 3 #1 draft picks in essence plus a starting center) but fail to ridicule Milwaukee for trading Richard Jefferson for Bowen, Oberto and Thomas. Are any of those guys even on Milwaukee any more?

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by chipc3 on Aug 5, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Both trades were complete steals. Both teams that got robbed did for the sake of saving money. The difference is that Gasol is a MUCH better player than Jefferson. He is a perenial all-star, he deserves to be at least on the third team all NBA each year. I loved the Jefferson trade, but Gasol (a player who I hate) is a lot better.
About the Randolph/Dyess matchup: its hard to do a comparison like that. There’s no doubt that Zach will score more. But he is a proven loser. A black hole who will make his team worse. If you compare them by stats there’s no doubt that Zach is the superior player. If you have a lousy team which spends a lot of time losing, then its better to have a guy like Randolph because he can have some scoring explosions and net you a couple of wins. Now if you want a role player to contribute on winning frequently, then Dyess is a better player. What im trying to say is, the spurs would NEVER swap Dyess for Randolph (even if their contracts where the same) and Memphis wouldnt do it either. You guys need scoring for that young and unproven team, we need a team player for our championship contender. Who wins the matchup? the guy who contributes more to winning that specific game. So I think its a tie. Zach will have more points but Dyess will set better picks, defend 10X times better and will share the ball.

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by Chilai on Aug 5, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have watched all this nba, and I can’t remember who Zach Randolph is :O But those averages look good. So what is he..like another Boozer?

by LionZion on Aug 5, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah. Just a shot-happy big with a streaky stroke and a bad case of nopassitus.

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 6, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There’s no doubt that Zach will score more. But he is a proven loser.

+1

by spursfan87 on Aug 5, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thomas is still on the Bucks, and they saved tons of money in general and even more time and money on RJ.

Randolph was 14th in the league in double-doubles last season despite playing on two very different teams and missing 32 games due to injury or misdeeds.

32 missed games which included misdeeds….He contributes stats which I said, but McDyess is the better defender and the better team player. Head to head doesn’t mean one on one. Within our team, McDyess is a better player than Randolph in yours. He’ll contribute on every play he is in the game and in the locker room before the game. Randolph will score more but he gives up as many as he makes. Honestly, I hope Gasol is your starting PF and Thabeet is your starting center by the time we play you. You can have your own twin towers thing in Memphis.

My bad about the Greg Buckner thing. NBA.com is listing him on your active roster and as traded.

Thanks for commenting and calling out my homerism which is somewhat the point of this whole thing.

by BlaseE on Aug 5, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my opinion I don’t see how you can say McDyes is a better player than Zach Randolph

Maybe he was referring to the fact that McDyess isn’t a cancer on the team.

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by Hipuks on Aug 5, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another great post, BlaseE. You’re a tireless posting machine. I’ll make a note of pointing out you did barf all over the poor Grizzlies, who would do much better if they were in another division/conference.

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by LatinD on Aug 5, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m looking forward to watch the lakers farm team,oh sorry, the memphis grizzlies this season, especially i’m looking forward to watch the other Marcus Williams, I think the guy is going to be the starting PG come opening day. This guy is a run and gun PG, and he has a lot of athletes on the team, so this should be a “fun” team to watch.

by spursfan87 on Aug 5, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 about the Evil Williams starting

by BlaseE on Aug 6, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, not buying

that 35-year old Antonio McDyess wins in the matchup with Zach Randolph. Thing is, the Spurs are SO much of a better team, it was an unnecessary stretch. Cause he’s a better teammate, you say? Earl Watson may be a better teammate than Allen Iverson, but you don’t say advantage Earl Watson, right?

by hueyproductions on Aug 6, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Right now Iverson doesn’t even have a job right now, so advantage Earl Watson

by spursfan87 on Aug 6, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Randolph is an awful defensive player. There is a reason he’s on his 4th team in 3 years. He’s a guy who is a KNOWN chucker with piss poor shot selection and puts out no effort defensively at all.

In fact, now really think about this, he was playing for a coach in Mike D’Antoni who embraces chucking, poor shot selection, and lack of defensive effort (see Amare Stoudemire) more than any other coach in the league and HE still didn’t want him.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 6, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is McDyess is smooth. And he is nasty. And will prob eat Zach’s lunch for real.

Seriously McDyess is a proven performer. More importantly, he is very efficient.

by LionZion on Aug 6, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is not quite ready to be handed off to the Lakers yet, but he is very promising.

GOL

by Gino20 on Aug 6, 2009 4:02 AM CDT reply actions  

That is a great line.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 6, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Bynum turns out to be injury prone or something, we could see Shannon Brown and Adam Morrison on Memphis….

by BlaseE on Aug 6, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s funny how whining about this just never get old.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

True. Have I mentioned that you have a very nice sig? You do, worthy of a JTU in fact.

by Big50 on Aug 6, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely understand chipc3 defending Zach Randolph. Just curious, would anyone have argued McDyess if I had put Randolph?

by BlaseE on Aug 6, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Sat, December 27 Memphis We win 106-103. “Parker’s late baskets, Finley’s block lift Spurs in double overtime”

Certainly unexpected.

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Aug 7, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

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