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My Team Is Better Than Yours: Toronto Raptors Edition

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No funny caption.  I just really love the look on Manu's face in this pic.  It makes me happy.

 

Finally, we are out of the bottom of the West and on to the mediocrity of last year's Eastern conference.  Ten teams in the league finished with winning percentages between 39.0 and 52.4.  All ten were Eastern conference teams.  That is pretty crazy to me.  The West had 6 teams lower than 36% and 5 lower than 30%.  The Eastern conference only had 1, the Wizards, and I think they will be much improved next year.  The East is a place where every team thinks they can make the playoffs.  The West is a just a shakedown of how good the good teams are and how bad the "developing" teams are.  The Knicks were the team at 39%, but I'm skipping them for now.  That means we've broken into teams with greater than 40% win records.  That is the Raptors.

Star-divide

I didn't have any music about raptors, dinosaurs, Canada, or Toronto.  I could have gone with some classic Our Lady Peace, but JRW emailed me some music picks for this one.  Enjoy.

 

US3 - Cantaloop (via DreamVidz)


 

Paul Gilbert - Technical Difficulties (Racer X) (via Imitationnigger)

 



FSN Season Stats Head to Head

They were almost as bad at offensive rebounding as us (28th to our 30th).  That felt great to write that.  As bad as we are at offensive rebounding, we are tops in limiting opposing teams from getting offensive rebounds.  I bring this up because we finished the season giving up only 34 more shots than we took.  Toronto gave up a little over 150.  That is just under a 2 shots a game.

I just scrolled through all the stats looking for some gem of a comparison.  There is a general trend that the Raptors follow a lot of the patterns the Spurs follow.    The major exception is defense though.  The Raptors give up a better shooting percentage than they make themselves.  They have more assists than us but are still in a negative margin to their opponents.  One thing I really like about the stats is that the Raptors got to the line fairly well and were the top free throw shooting team in the league.  That is very un-Spurs-like.

Last Season's Games

Sat, December 20  Toronto  We win 107-97. "Parker posts 24 as Spurs spank Raptors to snap 2-game skid"

  • 100 of our 107 points are still on the roster.  KT had 4 points on 2 of 6 shooting (he was a monster on the boards though and got 12 compared to Timmy's 7, Manu's 7, and Parker's 8), and Bruce had 3 points on 1-2 shooting in 4 minutes.  George Hill played 9 minutes and finished with 1 turnover and 2 fouls.  That's it.  Anthony Tolliver and Ime Udoka combined for 0-8 shooting in 12 minutes of play.  This game is all you have to see to completely understand just how awesome our roster will be next year.  Let me put it another way.  Every player on our roster that wasn't a rookie and is still on our roster next season scored double digits in this game on a minimum of 50% shooting.  Sorry for the rant of a bullet.
  • Stat Comparison: Spurs were +10 boards (4 offensive), +13 assists, +7 blocks, -4 steals, and +6 turnovers.
  • We took 35 threes in this game and made 16 (tied franchise record).  Six misses were by Udoka and Tolliver.  Our starters and Manu made 15 of 27.  The Raptors shot 4 of 12 for 3.  We finished +36 points on 3 pointers for us.
  • They killed us on turnovers though finishing with +9 points off.
  • Parker finished with 24 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, and only 1 turnover.
  • Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, and Jason Kapono all played well enough. Chris Bosh went 1 of 7 and then made 5 of his last 7.

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Terrible Defense....
via www.nba.com

 

Wed, February 11 @ Toronto   We lose 89-91. "Ginobili scores 32 but Spurs enter break on down note"

  • 87 of the 89 points are still on the team.  Kurt Thomas had 2 points.
  • Our bench shot 14 of 30, and Manu shot 12 of 23 from the bench.
  • Finley and Bonner were a combined 1 of 7.  Mason was marginally better at 4 of 11.
  • Our big 3 scored 74 of the 89 points.
  • Bargnani (23), Kapono (21), and Ukic (22) scored 66 of Toronto's 91.  Roko Ukic just destroyed us off the bench going 9 of 13 and 2 of 3 from 3.  He also had 3 assists.  Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon didn't play either.  I feel sick....
  • Stat Comparison: +7 rebounds (5 offensive), +8 assists, +4 steals, -4 blocks, and -1 turnover.
  • Our bench (-Manu) and Finley and Bonner let us down this game.  Someone needed to step up and no one did while Roko Ukic just killed us.

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Informal Study in Facial Expressions
Parker: Where did this guy come from?  I thought I'd have a night off after having to play Devin Harris last night.
Ukic: It's great not to be on the scouting report.
Pop: ERROR....(Well the I can't crack that code but maybe something like "I remember that time I killed like 50 communist Nazis in Croatia. Shit, I hope I'm not this kid's dad."

 

  • "We shouldn't have lost this one," Ginobili said. "It's important to go into the break feeling good about yourself and on a good stretch. We were playing a team that isn't doing so well and has two injured players, so we should have done much better."
  • This was the 5th game of the rodeo road trip and last game before the All-Star break.  It was also a SEGABABA.  We beat the Nets by 15 the night before.

Raptors Roster Changes

They drafted Demar DeRozan.  I have no clue who that is but he has twice the "De"  DeJuan Blair has.  He went to USC so he is probably a really great athlete and a good player.  He is 20 years old, 6'7" and 207 lbs.  That sounds pretty solid for a number 9 pick.  He is a 2-3.  Draft Express confirms all of my USC stereotypes listing things like "lateral quickness, athleticism, size for position, and solid frame" as strengths and "lacks offensive polish, defensive fundamentals, not ready to contribute immediately, and average basketball IQ" as weaknesses.  ATS microscoped him.  I recommend it if you are interested in him.

So conveniently, a trade went down last week to get rid of the thorn in our side, Roko Ukic.  The Bucks traded for him so I think this was a secret part of the RJ trade.  We'll know for sure if he gets sent to Europe.  They also traded Carlos Delfino and got Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems in return.  Both are pretty much unproven players.  Amir Johnson has been somewhat functional in a backup role in Detroit.

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ARGENTINE SHOWDOWN!
via farm3.static.flickr.com

 

They've lost Jason Kapono, Shawn Marion, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai, Roko Ukic, Anthony Parker, Pops Mensah Bonsu, and Carlos Delfino.  They are better off without Marion.  Kapono was a great shooter, but his stock is pretty high right now so it was probably a smart move to let him go.

They've added Hedo Turkoglu.  This is the huge move.  Not just because they got him, but because they snaked him (or he snaked himself) out of Portland which is great for the Spurs.  The Raptors also added Marco Belinelli, Antoine Wright, Reggie Evans, and Jarret Jack in addition to Weems and Johnson.

It is worth mentioning that we played them twice last year when they had Jermaine O'Neal  and Jamario Moon and never played them after he was traded for Marion.

Jake Voskuhl and Joey Graham are unsigned free agents from last year's roster.

I couldn't find it listed anywhere, but they got Rasho, too.

The Match-Up

Starters

PG: Tony Parker versus Jose Calderon: Advantage Spurs:  One of them is a a better distributor and the other is a better player. Both players are great point guards.

SG: Roger Mason versus Marco Belinelli: Advantage None:   Mason is marginally better in just about every stat, but if Belinelli really starts I think he will see a jump in minutes.  Mason played almost 10 more per game last year.

SF: Richard Jefferson versus Hedo Turkoglu: Advantage Raptors: Hedo is better and is coming off a career year.  I think he will continue playing good basketball and really improve this team.

PF: Antonio McDyess versus Chris Bosh: Advantage Raptors:  Chris Bosh is better.

C: Tim Duncan versus Andrea Bargnani: Advantage Spurs:  Bargnani is a terrible rebounder for his size.  He can shoot the 3 though.  I think he is compared to Dirk and that seems fair looking at the stats.  Poor man's Dirk.  It seems like he would be awesome as a backup to Bosh at PF and then get a true center.  Maybe they should start Rasho even though he is a downgrade overall.

Bench:

Point Guard:  Hill vs Jarrett Jack and Marcus Banks: Raptors win this one.  Jack is proven while Hill isn't.

Wings: Manu, Finley, Hairston, and Williams vs DeMar DeRozan, Sonny Weems, Quincy Douby, and Antoine Wright:  Antoine Wright started for Dallas last year and is decent.  Weems and Douby have not done much in the limited minutes they have been allotted so far in their careers. DeRozan is an unproven rookie.  Manu and Finley are much better.

Front Court: Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner, Haislip, and Ratliff vs Amir Johnson, Rasho Nesterovic, Reggie Evans, and Patrick O'Bryant:  We dominate them here.  They are pretty shallow in the front court.  Hedo is going to need to get like 6 rebounds a game at least.  Rasho is the only one I see getting any sort of major rotation.  Reggie Evans can get maybe 10-15 a game.

Coaching:  Advantage Spurs.

Result: I really like the moves they've made.  Their starting unit will really compete and probably dominate some teams.  If some young guys step up then they can have a pretty solid team, but I just don't see it.  I like the Raptors  and a lot of their players so I'll be rooting for them to make the playoffs, but I'm not sure they have really separated themselves from the pack despite improving.  Rebounding could be the death of their team.

 

The Schedule

Mon, Nov 9 vs Toronto: We have a back to back then 2 days rest before this game.  It is the the third home game of the season and the first home game of a 12 home - 3 road game stretch.  We really need to prove our mettle in this stretch of the schedule in order to earn Manu and Duncan rest in the later months

Sun, Jan 3 @ Toronto: SEGABABA with an at Wizards the night before.  After this game we get 2 days of rest and then a 4 game home stretch.  I think this will allow us to go all out in these games if needed.

So that is my Spurs-Raptors preview for next season.  Next up are the Milwaukee Bucks, a team that always defies their roster and plays us incredibly well.  Plus, they now have Roko Ukic.....

For more information on the Toronto Raptors, check out Raptors HQ.

Past entries in this series: Golden State Warriors, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, Wizards and Kings.

Poll
What is the top Spurs-Raptors match-up story line for '09-'10?
PG Match-up: Parker vs Calderon
64 votes
SG Match-up: Manu vs Bellinelli
14 votes
SF Match-up: RJ vs Hedo
119 votes
Frontcourt Matchups: Duncan, Bosh, Rasho, Dice, Bargnani, Blair......
115 votes
Rookie Impact Match-up: DeJuan vs DeMar
40 votes
Cheering for Ex Spurs in defeat: Rasho and Hedo
12 votes
I'd vote redemption for the loss, but they don't have Roko Ukic anymore.
11 votes
All the international players!!!
93 votes
2 more wins for SA.
73 votes
Raptors trying to make the playoffs and prove they can beat the "haves".
109 votes

650 votes | Poll has closed

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You know I love me some DeMar DeRozan.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 25, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m interested to see if RJ can bother Hedo at all on the defensive end. And I, too, am on the DeMar bandwagon.

ACLs are like crutches. They’re only for the weaklings who can’t get along without them. -jollyrogerwilco

by Tim C. on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honest question: Why didn’t we keep Hedo again?

by theonlyromeo on Aug 25, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because he was an inconsistent underachiever when he played for the Spurs.

Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Aug 25, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

he disappeared in the laker series in 04

by spursfan87 on Aug 25, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he couldn’t even can an open baseline jumper

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 27, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, so why then did we let go of Scola? =p

by theonlyromeo on Aug 27, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad breath — Pop can’t abide halitosis.

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 27, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I hate wine.”

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 27, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

WWTD?

by Lauri on Aug 28, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that man wasn’t named Jackie Butler…..

by BlaseE on Aug 28, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, BlaseE. You keep on writing tirelessly, so kudos.

I like the Raptors a lot, and it’s painful to see them fail year after year. At this point I’m even pissed at Bosh for being such a lousy leader. Hopefully they’ll make the playoffs this year.

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Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Aug 25, 2009 7:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Bosh is the type of player you look at to lead your team. He’s a great player, but it stops there. I don’t think he’s a leader, which is not a bad thing, but I think the Raptors envisioned him as that type of player. He’d be a better fit with a team that already has a number one option and leader (ie: Heat w/Wade, Cavs w/LeBron, etc).

by xman130 on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree, Bosh is like Gasol.

by spursfan87 on Aug 25, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think Gasol is more a leader than Bosh, but yeah, those guys are better as 2nd option type players.

by xman130 on Aug 25, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I don’t blame him for not being leader material – I blame him for saying he’s a leader and then not being able to back up his words.

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by LatinD on Aug 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He actually said that? That was crazy talk, obviously.

by xman130 on Aug 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it’d be difficult to find a link… I just googled for it and failed.

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Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Aug 25, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marco Bellinelli will NOT be starting at SG. he is not even in the mix as a starter. It will be either Wright (for his D) or DeMar (for his raw spectacularless).

If you really have not heard of DeMar DeRozan…. yoooouuuuuu wiiiilllllllll.

Good read. Thanks for taking the time.

by EarthJuice on Aug 25, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really hadn’t. I mean the name is familiar from the draft, but I have never seen him play. I don’t watch that much college at all. Being the 9th pick made him not worth looking into from a Spurs draft perspective either.

Starting Wright sounds like a decent idea. I still think you should start Rasho though. That would be a nice bench rotation when you bring Bargnani and Belinelli in together. That would be some instant offense. Belinelli was a great acquisition though. He could be a really good role player on a quality team.

by BlaseE on Aug 25, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Hey, who was that guy Ginobili just dunked on?”

“DeMar DeRozan, I think.”

“Oh ok.”

:-)

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 25, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOL

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 27, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the Raptors, I have the same reaction when I look at a half-eaten plate of expensive food.

I shake my head…

“Shame. What a waste.”

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 25, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good read, thanks for the post!

by xman130 on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I want to apologize to all Raptors fans for not having an “I just want to see Bonner play on the same court as the Raptors again!” option on the poll. I forgot to add it. I doubt you have any attachment to Mason for his short stint with your team.

by BlaseE on Aug 25, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oberto looks like he is enjoying that ball…

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

…and Delfino is trying to pull him away.

It is a really funny picture.

by BlaseE on Aug 25, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes jealous of Oberto?

or perhaps the ball?

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 25, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another job well done in the “My Team…” series. I think links to each of those should be all in one post (if they aren’t already), much like the Summer League reader by ATS. And we should have more than five “Featured Posts,” if that’s possible. This series would be featured.

by Gino20 on Aug 26, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When I finish, I will do a “reader” that indexes everything like what ATS’s Summer League one.

by BlaseE on Aug 26, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another good Post, BlaseE

I am really enjoying your analysis of the teams we will be beating on our way to the championship. Keep up the good work!

by LakehillsFan on Aug 26, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is harsh man

Minnesota, Oklahoma, Toronto? Pick on a 50-win team!

by laker on Aug 27, 2009 1:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s working his way through the league in the order of games won last year.

From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10

by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 27, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lurk more.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Aug 27, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take it as a compliment that I plan on putting the Lakers last although I’m tempted to put Boston last since it is going to be the Finals match-up.

Also, the name of the series is harsh but it conveys the extreme bias and homerism with which these are written. I don’t feel like I pick on the teams that much at all.

by BlaseE on Aug 27, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When we get to the point where the matchup is with a team that had a better record than the Spurs, will the post title still say “My Team Is Better Than Yours?”

by Gino20 on Aug 27, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, because that statement is true for next season which is the focus of the series. It is “is” not “was”.

by BlaseE on Aug 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct. Last year was arguably his second best season though. Either way, he has stepped up over the past two seasons. I don’t watch every Orlando game, but I got the impression that he had more of an intangible/leadership role this year than he had last year as well. That is highly subjective, but a lot of this post if highly subjective.

by BlaseE on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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