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My Team Is Better Than Yours: Minnesota Timberwolves Edition


We go from Memphis to Minnesota.  We saw one awesome sophomore in the last edition (O.J. Mayo), and now I get to look at one I like even better (Kevin Love).  I like Al Jefferson a lot too and think that Minnesota has him in a Spursian type contract of great value for the right price.  I've always had a preference for Corey Brewer as he was touted as a long armed, 3 point shooting, defensive specialist when he was drafted.  I've read his progress is sketchy though.  I know Randy Foye and Mike Miller are gone, but I'm not too sure who is new.  I'm really curious to do this one.

 

George Hill blocks Kevin Love's shot (via dvyoung05)


No research was done on Kevin Love's twitter so this may not be up to date.  Please comment if I'm wrong on anything he has updated on his twitter.  I do know Rambis is their new coach though.

Star-divide

I have a feeling most people on here wouldn't like this band, but the music for this one is Taking Back Sunday's Timberwolves at New Jersey.  It is one of my favorite songs by the them.

FSN Season Stats Head to Head

They gave up 102.7 points a game.  Can I stop there?

Guess not.  They shot the second worst at 44.1% and gave up the 5th worst percentage at 47.4%.  They are a good offensive rebounding team.  They ranked low in offensive boards given up and defensive boards per game so I figure those stats are skewed by their poor defensive shooting numbers.  They were 5th in offensive boards and 18th in defensive boards given up.

They were the second most blocked team and had the 3rd least blocks on defense.  We're number 4 though.  The Wolves were pretty average in assists and turnovers.

 

Last Season's Games

Wed, November 5  @ Minnesota  We win 129-125. "Parker's jumper sends game to second OT as Spurs win"

We had lost our first 3 games going into this one.  It took two overtimes and 55 points and 10 assists from Parker to  get our first win.  Mason and Duncan added another 56 points.  Al Jefferson (30) and Mike Miller (25) put up 55 for the Wolves.  Kevin Love was very impressive for a rookie in his 4th game.

 

Tony Parker (55 points 10 assists) (via iDarthVader)

 

Fri, December 12 @ Minnesota  We win 98-86. "Spurs hand Wolves eighth straight loss"

Al Jefferson goes off for another 29 on us.  Mike Miller is held to 3 points though.  Manu is back, and players still on our roster account for 88 of 98 points.  Kevin Love only scores 4 points but gets 10 boards (5 offensive) in 25 minutes off the bench.

Tue, December 23  Minnesota  We win 99-93. "Parker, Spurs send Wolves to 13th straight loss"

Players still on our roster score 92 of the 97 points led by Parker's 36.  Al Jefferson drops another point  from the previous match up and only gets 28, but we hold him to 6 rebounds.  Randy Foye put up 26.  Mike Miller didn't play.  Kevin Love was held to zero offensive boards.  Our bench let this one get closer than it should have losing the 4th quarter 26-16.  Anthony Tolliver got 11 minutes if that gives you any indication of the rotation.

 

George Hill's vicious dunk in slow motion (Timberwolves @Spurs) (via dvyoung05)
This dunk cost Hill many minutes in the playoffs....Nice pass by Manu though.  Hopefully this highlight serves as an appetizer for '09-'10 full of Hill and Manu off the bench highlights.

 

Tue, March 17  Minnesota  We win 93-86. "Without Duncan, Parker helps Spurs gain ground in postseason race"

No Duncan, Manu or Al Jefferson is just a gut punch as an NBA fan wanting to see good basketball.  61 of our 93 points are still on the roster.  Parker scores 24 to lead all scorers.  We are terrible from 3 and Minnesota outshoots us but we win by outshooting them on the charity stripe and getting offensive boards.  That felt weird to write that.  Kevin Love starts in Jefferson's place and goes for 17 points and 19 boards (3 offensive).

 

Wolves Roster Changes

They drafted Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Wayne Ellington, and Henk Norel.  A lot of people are crazy for Ricky Rubio.  Last I read, he is definitely getting out of his current contract, but that doesn't mean he is playing in the NBA.  I've also heard he is trade bait.  I somewhat doubt this.  Jonny Flynn is another PG, out of Syracuse.  According to DraftExpress, he led the NCAA in assists per game and 19th in points.  He is said to be turnover prone but he seems to be an offensive weapon, creating for himself and others.  Wayne Ellington is a SG out of UNC.  I'm not sure if his 3 pointer has NBA range, but by his college numbers, the guy appears to love to shoot.  DraftExpress says he was the most efficient shooter they looked at in the draft, but he had half as many possessions as some of the other guards they looked at.  Henk Norel is a 21 year old PF/C from the Netherlands.  He is 6'11" but only 212 pounds.  DraftExpress says Norel is a best case Jeff Foster and worst case Oberto.  He supposedly has great touch and movement off the ball but lacks offense.  I don't know if he will be playing in the States next year or not.  They have the roster spots but he may be better served to stay in Europe.

They also traded Mike Miller, Randy Foye, Mark Madsen, Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith, and Etan Thomas for Darius Songalia, Oleksiy Pecherov, Quentin Richardson, Chucky Atkins, and Damien Wilkins.  Mike Miller, Randy Foye, Craig Smith and Sebastian Telfair are all notable losses as they accounted for 46.1 points, 15.2 rebounds, and 14.5 assists per game.  Songaila is a solid addition.  Richardson is a decent addition.  He can score.  Atkins is a great veteran presence to back up their young guards and hopefully serve as a mentor.  Someone needs to tell Pecherov he isn't Dirk.  He is 7' and has taken just under half of all of his FGA's from the 3 only making ~30% of them.  He will see limited minutes behind their front court though.

Kevin Ollie and Shelden Williams left in FA, and Rodney Carney and Jason Collins are still unsigned FA's.

 

The Match-Up

Starters

PG: Tony Parker versus Ricky Rubio: Advantage Spurs:  Tony gets to show a 19 year old European top PG prospect what the NBA is like.  This should be a fun match up because of the international hype these two bring.

SG: Roger Mason versus Damien Wilkins: Advantage Spurs:  This is who ESPN says will start for you, Minnesota.  I think you would be better off with Ellington or Richardson here.  Wolves fans, please comment on this position.  Mason is better than all of them at this point though.

SF: Richard Jefferson versus Ryan Gomes: Advantage Spurs:  I know very little about Gomes.  On a stat comparison, I'm going with RJ.  Gomes will definitely be in a position to up his scoring and take on a big role if he has it in him.

PF: Antonio McDyess versus Kevin Love: Advantage Wash:  Looking at Kevin Love, he is a younger McDyess.  They are a statistical tie.  I give Love the advantage on athleticism and Dice the advantage on veteran knowledge. 

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That is a block. via www.nba.com

 

C: Tim Duncan versus Al Jefferson: Advantage Spurs:  Duncan gets the advantage, but this is the closest match up we have had for him yet.  As a basketball fan, I hope Jefferson stays healthy all season and that he dominates like I think he can (just not against us).  He went for 29.0 and 11.0 last year against the Spurs. 

Bench:

Point Guard:  Hill vs Flynn, Bobby Brown, and Chucky Atkins: I'm going to give this to Minnesota.  They have two players that can take good minutes off the bench.  Atkins is a smart veteran and Flynn is a top prospect rookie.  Hill is more than welcome and more than capable to prove me wrong though.

Wings: Manu, Finley, Hairston, and Williams vs Wayne Ellington, Corey Brewer, and Quentin Richardson:  Spurs win this one hands down. 

Front Court: Blair, Mahinmi, Bonner, Haislip, and Ratliff vs Darius Songaila, Brian Cardinal, and Oleksiy Pecherov:  Songalia is decent but so is everyone on our much deeper rotation.

Coaching:  Advantage Spurs.  Back in the very early 90's when I was 7-9 years old, my older brother started collecting basketball cards.  Kurt Rambis was like a bad omen card.  My friend and I  burnt one, ripped it to shreds, and flushed it down a toilet when we were teenagers upon finding it amongst our other non-binder worthy cards.  That fills my terrible Kurt Rambis/ teenage pyro anecdote quota for the year.

Result: Spurs win all three games.  We get to see some exciting front court match ups if everyone is healthy, but the Wolves back court is too unproven and just not deep enough.

 

The Schedule

Tue, Dec 29 vs Minnesota: After a back to back of @ Bucks and @ Knicks, we have one day of rest before this game.

Fri, Mar 12 at Minnesota: First of a back to back with Clippers at home next.  After the Clips, it is one day off and then another back to back (@ Heat and then @ Magic.

Mon, Apr 12 vs Minnesota:  Last home game of the season.

So that is the Spurs-Wolves preview for next season.  Next up is the Golden State Warriors.

Past entries in this series: Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, Wizards and Kings.

Poll
What is the top Spurs-Wolves match-up story line for '09'10?
Just Duncan vs Jefferson
71 votes
Parker vs Rubio (he better be in the league after all that hype)
49 votes
Duncan, McDyess, and our front court vs Jefferson, Love, and theirs
32 votes
Can Parker go for 56 and 11?
42 votes
Just 3 more SA wins.
71 votes
Sophomore Impact Showdown: Hill vs Love
8 votes
Rookie Impact Showdown: Blair vs Flynn/Ellington/Rubio
15 votes
Spurs backcourt is going to destroy the Wolves without Miller and Foye.
41 votes

329 votes | Poll has closed

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Great post!

So is Rubio confirmed to play for the TWolves this season?? I wonder how good of a job Rambis will now do as head coach. Can he get them winning? McHale sure couldn’t. What does Rambis have, like 8 rings now? 4 as a player, and 4 as a coach.

I’m all about the 3 more wins for the Spurs this year.

"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

by Ed (dfjmed) on Aug 10, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m intrigued by Rambis as a head coach. He’s the type of guy (significant role player on good teams) I can envision being a good coach. Plus, I think he’ll do well with Al and Love. We’ll see if he’ll institute a more uptempo style – which I think would be beneficial to the Wolves.

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Aug 10, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not only do I think Rubio won’t play in the NBA this season, but that he won’t suit up for Minnesota… EVER. They’re gonna screw this up big time.

by r21x on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t go that far just yet, but it doesn’t look good for them. Which makes the backcourt matchup even more lopsided.

Re-sign Bruce Bowen!

by Tim C. on Aug 10, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta agree with you on this one. Personally, I think the idea of playing Flynn and Rubio next to each other is a recipe for disaster. I think the Wolves staff knows that so I doubt they would take that risk. Right now I think they just hold on to Rubio’s rights as a trade asset.

"I've got Tim (Duncan) and you don't. That's the difference." -Gregg Popovich

by bj1der on Aug 11, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wolves fan commenting here.

I think it’s literally 50/50 at this point if Rubio will be here or not this year. But I’m fairly certain he’ll be here at some point, because I don’t think David Kahn is going to give up on this one.

Wayne Ellington should hopefully start at shooting guard. He’s the only shooting guard we have who will be on the roster next season. Richardson, Wilkins, and Atkins were acquired only as expiring contracts.

by LoveTo on Aug 11, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the insight, and welcome.

WWTD?

by Lauri on Aug 11, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You ripped up the Rambis card? That thing was like gold to me! Me and some friends even made a folder of funny drawings and stories that we wrote about Kurt. Something even better was done in the Internet age. Check this out
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by Gino20 on Aug 11, 2009 2:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rambis used to coach the lakers

anybody remember 99? he had a pretty good record after del harris was fired, IIRC. well, except against the spurs, that was a sweep.

dave mcnulla
spurs fan

by dmcnulla on Aug 11, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post, BlaseE. Hopefully Rubio will man up and sign up with his team.

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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 7:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wolves add Hollins from the Mavs.

A good move to give them more depth in their front court. This guy was super annoying against our bigs in the playoffs too.

by BlaseE on Aug 11, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dont hold your breath because youll only make things worse

i approve the music selection.
i like our PG match ups, they should be fun to watch but i would definitely give us the advantage as well. if they played both rubio and flynn, being top rookies drafted, our experience outweighs theirs, but their skill level should still make for an interesting game.

by joe20 on Aug 11, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“DraftExpress says Norel is a best case Jeff Foster and worst case Oberto.” — Those guys are wrong, Id take Oberto over Foster at any point in their careers. Foster is a better rebounder (specially on the defensive side) but overall Fabricio kicks his ass badly. Let not even talk about intangibles.

About Minnesota, The Flynn/Rubio situation is ridiculous. They need to trade one of them quickly. They cant develop both of them at the same time, and they cant play side to side. I would choose Rubio any day, the kid is nash without the shooting but with SUPERB defense. He is tall, atlhetic and a pest on defense. He could be even better than Rondo on that end.
Oh and Ryan Gomes is a nice role player, a tweener 3/4 who can do a lot of things nicely but nothing spectacular. He is a waste on a young/developing team, role players like that should be on contenders me thinks.

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by Chilai on Aug 11, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wolves fan here.

The Timberwolves will start Ellington or Brewer at SG as of now.

by KGMN on Aug 24, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Word is they are adding Ramon Sessions. Rubio is gone for sure too. Sessions is a nice pick-up.

by BlaseE on Sep 4, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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