Tony Parker's Ankle OK, But Still Not 100%
Tony says his ankle is Ok, but not 100%.
His coach says his limited minutes on Saturday was planned.
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This sucks. Tony should not be playing at all unless he is 100%. He is rolling the dice on the Spurs season for his own selfish goals.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We’ve had this discussion a million times before, but playing for your national team is hardly “selfish”.
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by LatinD on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the perspective of a Spurs fan who couldn’t care less for France (or actively hates France and “the French”) then selfish is just the term to use.
I’m not saying that if you call it selfish, then these are your views. Just that I can imagine a viewpoint where that word would fit all of the details.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we have had this discussion. In my opinion it is selfish. Tony owes all of his success to the NBA and the San Antonio Spurs. To play when you are injured (even 1%) is selfish.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 11, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was American playing in a foreign league and came home to play in the Olympics, I think fewer people would have a problem with it…..
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by Artis Gilmore on Aug 11, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tricky one you put forward here. I understand your point, but I wouldn’t CARE about him if he was playing in a foreign league. Since I don’t care about the Olympics, yes, I wouldn’t have a problem. But, only because I wouldn’t care at all about his existence.
The real issue, I guess, is whether somebody cares about national team basketball. I don’t.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 11, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, but everyone outside the US cares about their national team deeply. Including the French.
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a personal problem. I bet the Kazakhs don’t care much.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 11, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the times when he has played even 1% hurt for the San Antonio Spurs, he should have also missed those games. Correct?
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by bellasa on Aug 11, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well … he’s getting paid for those games — so it’s different. And the guys cutting the paychecks have other employees whose job it is to evaluate injuries and determine whether or not a player going at 99% is further hurting himself.
That being said, I think 1% hurt is a) too subjective to even really be argued about and b) way too careful, even if it could be quantified.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 11, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is up to the Spurs and Tony both at that point and that is the way it should be at any point in his basketball career as long as he plays for San Antonio.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like jolly sort of said up there. From the perspective of a Spurs fan, it might be considered selfish. From the perspective of a French fan, ignoring his national team would be selfish. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
In fact, that’s another reason I love Manu: he sacrificed his contract to play for his national team. Do you understand how odd it is to people outside the US that playing for his country is considered more selfish than playing for money?
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, Tony Parker owes his success to the NBA and the Spurs. And himself. And the San Antonio Spurs owes a big part of its success to Tony Parker, by the way. Gratitude should go both ways, right? It’s not like the Spurs are a charity.
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, LD. Both parties of this business relationship owes the other. Sacrifices are being made by the player and the franchise.
Once again, a franchise negotiates with their top employees and may make additional concessions based on their abilities.
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by bellasa on Aug 11, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the players tell them up front when they are negotiating the contract that they intend to play international play?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 11, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think they thought Manu was going to stop playing for his national team when he signed with the Spurs? After playing with them for a decade?
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I’m just asking in general, when negotiating a contract, do you think the players say “Yeah, I’m going to be playing this summer, next summer, etc”. I’d be curious. You don’t see many guys playing in years when they are unrestricted free agents.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 11, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren’t many examples when the teams care about the health of a foreign player, and you guys barf all over your national team, so. I don’t have a doubt in my mind that if Manu’s contract year came during the last Olympics he would’ve gone all the same.
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is Tony sacrificing? He will get paid regardless of whether or not he comes up gimpy in Italy. He might sacrifice the Spurs season in 09-10, but he is just one person of many who would suffer as a result of that.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tony has enjoyed some of the Spurs gratitude in the form of monetary compensation. Like you said the Spurs are not a charity.
Allowing a key player to play while hurt in the summer before one of the last title runs of the Duncan era seems to go way beyond any reasonable expectation for gratitude.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Manu sacrificed his contract. He was already under contract. He may have put himself at risk for a future contract though. It’s not like he gave up money last year after getting hurt and missed some of the season. He was at no risk financially by playing outside of money beyond the end of his existing contract.
I wonder if he would do it differently if he wasn’t under contract. For instance, Rodrigue Beaubois ISN’T playing for the French team because he hasn’t signed his contract.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 11, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that’s what LD was referencing. His future contract.
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by bellasa on Aug 11, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what I meant.
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by LatinD on Aug 11, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I’m wondering is, if it comes all down to who’s giving out the paychecks, can Nike ask LeBron to play in some bs summer league? They did pay him $100 million so they should have as much a right as the Cavs.
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by Hipuks on Aug 12, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he didn’t make a ridiculous sum of money playing for the Spurs, then he should play for whomever he chooses with a clear conscience. However, since Tony is making the money, then it becomes selfish for him to risk the investment that has been put into him by playing for another team. Tony isn’t sacrificing personally, he is risking his whole team’s future (his real team) to attain his own goals.
A French fan might call Tony selfish for not playing for the French team and for playing for money instead. If it were the way it should be, and it was an either or proposition, then would that fan really expect Tony to give up the fame and fortune of an NBA career to focus on playing for France every summer (even when hurt)?
To be clear I am not against athletes competing in the Olympics and other international competitions all of the time. It should be limited though and it should be at the discretion of the team that signs the paychecks. If a player needs the rest or is hurt, then his team should be able to say no way.
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by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“His real team”. I guess we’ll never see eye to eye on this, because to me national teams are as much their real teams as the others, if not more.
If it were left to the discretion of the team that pays the player, the no player would ever play internationally. If it’s “strictly business” you wouldn’t care how small the risk is.
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by LatinD on Aug 12, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite true. In some cases, the teams want the guy to play to get the experience. As is the case with Ian, but overall, I think you are correct.
Ask yourself this, if Manu had to pick one team to play for who would they choose? Would that not make that the “real team”?
Bellasa, as crazy and unintelligible as she usually is, has a really good point with the compensation of your good employees. It is in a business’ best interest to keep their employees, especially their better employees, happy. The last thing an NBA team wants to do is make their star players want to play for another team.
I believe an interesting aspect of VWolf’s argument is that he seems to equate Tony wanting to do something with selfish. I don’t think that is a fair assessment. If I have a job and want to eat dinner with my wife instead of pushing to meet some deadline, does that make me selfish? I think it is called having priorities.
Where people draw the border between their personal life and work doesn’t make them selfish to me. It just means they made an interesting decision.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 12, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think Manu would pick the national team at this point in his career. But honestly, he doesn’t have anything left to prove, and it might be better for the team in the long run if we start passing the baton to the next generation.
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by LatinD on Aug 12, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I have a job and want to eat dinner with my wife instead of pushing to meet some deadline, does that make me selfish?
What if you were a model, and you compromised your job/contract by eating out with your wife?
I think Stampler had it right when saying that it is the context of the international play. You can’t compare Manu being the flag carrier in the opening ceremonies and emotional leader of his team to Tony playing in some tournament no one can even see. In his defense though, it is good for Spurs business when international fans join their bandwagon because of their players’ international play.
by BlaseE on Aug 12, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then that’s my business. The same way it is my business if I drink after work. yeah, it can effect my job. Yeah, it can effect my job to the extent that they want to fire me. On the other hand, that’s my decision to make. You can question my decision making, but it doesn’t it make me selfish. Really, any decision you make about yourself is selfish.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 12, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBA players often do have to sign contracts that limit what they can do in their free time (motorcycles etc.). When the health of your body is essential to your job, and you are enjoying millions of dollars because people have paid you to be healthy, then compromising that health is not just your business (or at least it shouldn’t be).
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony is in a rare situation. He is an elite professional athlete. As his body goes, so does the entire Spurs organization for the near future; a franchise worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Him risking his health to pursue a goal that has nothing to do with the Spurs, is not tantamount to not putting in overtime to meet a deadline. An analogy with a common worker does not apply. A more appropriate analogy would probably include the CEO putting the entire company at risk doing something outside of work.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like mountain climbing or something. I still don’t think that is selfish or bad. It’s just part of being integral to anything. Your actions have consequences.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 12, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe an NBA player would work for the mountain climbing example since his body is truly an asset. For the CEO he would have to directly compromise the company like potentially exposing confidential information to competing interests or something like that.
I get that you have an aversion to the word selfish. It seems to fit the definition to me.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bellasa, as crazy and unintelligible as she usually is
Hey Wayne, let’s take a little fishing trip… what do you say?
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by bellasa on Aug 12, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer horseback riding.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 12, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m O.K. with that…
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by bellasa on Aug 12, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werd
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Aug 12, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then that national team should be paying Tony the big bucks and he should just be making an NBA veteran’s minimum when he plays for the club of his choice.
NBA teams would allow international competition when it was prudent. It isn’t prudent when a player is hurt and/or about to be an integral part in what might be one of the last Spurs championship runs for who knows how long. If some international teams have to go short handed rather than reaping the benefits of having free players that are essentially paid for by a professional organization, well then that’s just too bad for them.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Aug 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Tony heals quickly. If we are to have any chances of winning a championship, it is with Tony leading the helm.
"It's the ten-thousandth and one hammer blow that makes the team"
by Artis Gilmore on Aug 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spurs nightmare quote
The ankle is okay, it is still not 100% but it’s getting there, Parker said. I must go slowly … My hope is to go further. It’s still a long way.
Oh, how I wish I had only read the title of this post, and not the actual article.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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