Spurs Hire Dream GM
You know, I was thinking the other day that maybe the Spurs COULD hire some random web site writer to be their GM just like Bill Simmons has been lobbying. Of course, if they did their research, they would immediately rule out Simmons for being a dumb ass based on his "We'll give you Foye, our No. 6 pick and Brian Cardinal's 2010 expiring contract for Parker."
Let's see, the Wolves turned Foye and Miller into a #5 pick and some expiring contracts. You mean for Parker we could have gotten the #6, Foye, and Brian Cardinal? Awesome.
Follow me in, the Spurs just hired me, ATS, as their GM and I'm building a championship team. Let's start some internet rumors together. It will be fun and feel dirty, and you can't ask any more from life than that.
ATS, you high, nobody would hire you.
That's true. I'm pretty much unemployable in any field, but definitely in the NBA genius realm. Never stopped me from having an opinion though. Or saying said opinion out loud. Several separate discussions and news items have set off a firestorm of roster building ideas in this wee noggin of mine. It hurts, it's distracting, and I feel the need to share.
First and foremost of the items that brought me to my current A.D.D. state, the Spurs front office declared loudly last week with the Jefferson trade that they are willing to go into luxury tax range to win NOW. Other things that got me going were posts by Jaceman and Rikiddo, and an email exchange with Timothy Varner from 48MoH. Not everything I have is original. But, hey, there are great covers tunes out there. Like this one of Bob Dylan's 'Maggie's Farm' and this one of Bruce Springsteen's 'The Ghost of Tom Joad' by Rage Against The Machine (an awesome live version but the volume is too low, so if you like volume, listen to this one). 'The Ghost of Tom Joad' started to have a lot of meaning for me when I learned a couple years ago that my mom left home in 1955 at the age of 15 and worked as a migrant worker through the Southwest and West coast. It gives you a little extra something when you think about somebody sleeping under an underpass and that somebody may be your mom.
Let's not just win this year, let's win every year.
I don't want to mortgage the future for 1or 2 years of contenders. I want to build a team that will win a couple more titles for TIm AND be in a good position to compete 4 or 5 years down the road. I'm not a dreamer though. I don't expect the Mavs to trade us Dirk for expiring contracts, George Hill, and the rights to Tiago Splitter because they need to start over and Dirk needs to win a championship because he is such a great guy. I may not be able to get trades and signings done, but I think they are reasonable things to expect.
What is the budget?
This is the real wildcard for what I can do in my new role as GM. Right now (based on numbers from ShamSports), the Spurs are at $72 million for this year and appear willing to give Rasheed Wallace the MLE which would push us up to $77.5 million. I'm going to give myself another $5 million to play with (the Spurs still have to fill out there roster with vets and rookies at about $1 million a player) and cap us out at $82.5 million. You know why I can do this? Because I'm giving them HUGE savings in the front office where they hired me for $20 and canned RC.
What do we need?
A dominant front court. Our back court, as Rikiddo points out, is in good shape. It is certainly one of the top backcourts in the league. Tony and Manu are all-star caliber players. Roger, George, and FinDog provide a variety of great qualities off the bench. Shooting, defense, clutchness, athleticism, age, and veteran savvy. Richard Jefferson looks like a hell of a fourth wheel to me at the small forward. We are set there for the next two years.
My goal, as GM, is to get us a dominant front court without moving Tim, obviously, or any of Manu, Tony, and Richard either.
What about Manu after this year?
Yes, he could be considered a tradeable asset. Not by me though. I consider him a Spur. As the new GM of the Spurs, I plan on resigning him next season on a 3-year deal at $7 million/year. I'd sign him this offseason Right Here, Right Now (watch out, it's a Jesus Jones reference) to a 3-year extension. However, I wouldn't do it until all the other roster moves have been finalized. I could write an entire article justifying this value for Manu. Let's just say this is what I think he will be worth for the next three years. If he won't resign for this value, then I am going to let him play out his contract and see what the market bears for next year. I will NOT trade him. He's an extraordinary competitor and there is no WAY I am trying to get something else for him. I'm hoping I can resign him and I want to maintain the trust and camaraderie on the team and in the organization. Plus, my good friend Bellasa would shiv me, curb stomp me, throw me into the SA river, and set me on fire if I traded him. Not only would it be justified, I would deserve no less.
Ok, ok. Enough with this crap. Build us a contender. What are YOU going to DO?
Goody, goody. We are into the nitty gritty.
First, I'm signing Rasheed Wallace. Period. I want him for the mid-level exception for three years. That's probably one more year than he's got in him, but if that's what it takes to get him. I'm doing it. I would possibly be willing to pay more for him on a 2-year deal, say $7 milllion/year. I'll explain how shortly, but I don't think I will have to go there. Because before I sign him, I want to prove to him that he's coming to a winner.
You're a winner ATS? How so?
Because I'm a crafty mofo, that's how so.
Well, before I sign Rasheed, I'm getting myself another quality big man. What, that can't be you say? I say it can be. Here's how. I'm going after one of the young big men on the free agent market, and I'm doing a sign-and-trade.
I have some assets I can trade. Bonner has an expiring contract and is a semi-decent situational player. Roger Mason has an expiring contract, is a good shooter, and is clutch. FinDog has an expiring contract and can be bought out. Marcus Williams has an un-guaranteed contract and can be cut, OR, crazy as it seems, is maybe a good value at $800K. We also have Ian and the rights to Tiago. Oh, and a first round picks in 2010 and in 2012 (I have 2011, but I can't trade it with 2010 or 2012).
Yes, the sign-and-trade.
I, if I can make the right deal, can go out and get a $8 million/year big man with a sign-and-trade. Consider the following contracts:
- Matt Bonner - $3.26 million
- Roger Mason - $3.78 million
- Michael Finley - $2.5 million
- Marcus Williams - $0.83 million
Since the I'm over the cap, in order to pull off a trade, the salaries involved have to be within 25%. For instance, in order to trade for a player making $10 million, I have to give up $8 million in salaries. To trade for $7 million, the Spurs have to give up $5.6 million. Read that again, $5.6 million. Ok, read it again, $5.6 million. Do you know that Bonner plus Finley equals $5.7 million? If I throw Marcus Williams into the deal, I go to $6.53 million which means I could trade for a salary of (6.53 * 1.25) $8.125 million. So, I can add an $8.125 million free agent in a sign-and-trade by increasing our salary by $1.63 million.
Oh, ATS, I'm all excited. Tell me more.
At the top of my list is Anderson Varejao because of a combination of skill, youth, and availability. He's not my favorite, as I'll explain later, but he's who I think I have the best chance of getting. Nobody out there is going pay him $8.125 million. I can. Now, I have to convince Cleveland to accomodate the deal. You can convince a team to accomodate a sign-in-trade by making it worth their while. How can I make it worth Cleveland's while?
Well, I have to give them something. Expiring contracts aren't as enticing in a sign-and-trade (because they weren't going to have Varejao's contract anyway. If they wanted that much money on the books they'd sign Varejao themselves) so I have to give them something they want, not something they can get rid of. In Cleveland's case, I think Bonner is actually a decent fit and they might like him. He's somebody that can spread the floor for LeBron and Shaq. That's not enough though for them. If I kick in next year's #1 pick though, that might be enough value. Remember, they aren't getting anything for Varejao anyway if they let him walk. So, let's say I can agree to terms with big AV for a 5-year deal at $7 million per year (which is more than just about anybody can offer him and I'd go up to $8 million/year), I can give them Bonner, Finley, and a first round pick. They buy out FinDog for about $1.2. They have a rather reasonably priced 4th or 5th big, and a first round pick. Is it enough? I don't know. I could throw in the rights to Tiago, Ian, Marcus, or other parts. You know, I'm thinking, Roger Mason would be a really good fit for them. A clutch shooter, keeps Gibson on the bench, hmmm, what about Bonner and Mason for Varejao? No, ok, I still might throw that #1 pick in there. The upshot is, the Cavs have to get something they want. I think I can make it happen.
Just to give you something solid. I'm saying Bonner, Mason, Marcus Williams, and the #1 pick.
But what if you can't get Cleveland to do the deal?
Well, there are other teams with young big men I can target with a deal that have the same parameters. Marvin Williams comes to mind. I'd sign him to a 5-year deal at $8 million/year. I think Atlanta might take a first round pick, Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, and FinDog -- as a buyout -- for him. It just depends on whether they want to invest long-term in him given they have Pachulia and Childess to sign, and Horford who's really a 4.
Why Marvin ATS? Why?
Marvin, or somebody like him, as an athletic 4 is who I actually prefer. Why, because if I am signing Rasheed I want somebody who can play better on the perimeter defensively. Tim's days of being a real 4 are over. With Rasheed, Anderson, and Tim I would have three post defenders. None of whom are good perimeter defenders. I want a Marvin Williams-type to guard the Dirks and Amares. In addition, I still want to bring Tiago over next year. Now, I would have four true centers.
Ok, Atlanta doesn't bite. You didn't get Marvin, ATS. Well?
I go after Paul Millsap. Especially if I think I can get him at about the full MLE. If I can get him with the MLE, then I'd be willing to do a sign-and-trade with the Pistons for Rasheed if I can pay Rasheed a little more to convince him to come to San Antonio. Maybe I get Sheed at $6.5 million for 2 years.
If I can't get Millsap, then I will explore obtaining a young power forward who is not a free agent from a team looking to salary dump. If that fails, I go to signing a veteran guy like Marion or Gooden on a 2-year deal in the 3-4 million range. What I WILL NOT do is go out on a limb to gt an older guy. If he wants to play for a chance at a ring for two years on the cheap, I'll take him.
Ok ATS, we have Rasheed and Marvin, where does that leave us for 2010?
Let's assume I gave up Bonner, Mason, Marcus, and a #1 for Marvin. I'd be willing to throw Tiago or DeJuan in to this deal to make it work. I'd have to be bowled over with Marvin to put George in it. Our 2010 roster is:
Up front
- Tim Duncan
- Manu Ginobili
- Tony Parker
- Richard Jefferson
- Rasheed Wallace
- Marvin Williams
- George Hill
- Michael Finley
- Ian Mahinmi
- James Gist (at 800K)
- DeJuan Blair(at 800K)
- Jack McClinton (if he can make the team at 800K)
- Bruce Bowen (or other small forward) at the vet min
I like my chances with that line up. For about $81.3 million, with two roster spots open. I'll take it. I don't have to sign all of those young guys, but I do have the option. That last roster spot, if I traded Mason, will have to go to a third point guard or ball handler. Maybe Marcus Williams, if as the 48MoH guys, he is really a point-forward.
Sounds good ATS, but what about our future?
Assuming Manu at 7 per, Marvin at 8 per, and Sheed on a 3-year deal for the MLE, this is what we have for 2011:
Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Jefferson, Wallace, Williams, Hill, Mahinmi(assuming I exercise his option for 2011 at $1.6, which isn't a gimme), Gist, Blair, McClinton for $73.9 million. If I still have the rights to Tiago, I'm trying to bring him over on a 3-year $3-million-per deal. And, I still have the rights to SpurNando.
After 2011, Tony's and Richard's contracts are up. Tim and Sheed are in their last year. I have Manu with two years left on his deal. I have a bunch of young guys I'm very high on in Blair, Gist, Ian, George, and Tiago. The only player I have with a long-term commitment of big money is a 25-year old Marvin Williams.
ATS, you still high.
Yeah, but that's what I would be trying to do if I reigned over the kingdom. This is my team. Six studs and a bunch of potential. Has a little bit nicer ring to it, doesn't it?
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hey… i’m with you on sheed. i always thought that if it takes a 3yr offer to persuade him to play for the spurs, FO should make it happen… (this is hoping, of course, that you weren’t being sarcastic, because then, I would just look foolish.)
but i just can’t stomach the idea of letting Ian or Tiago go (perhaps Blair too—I wanna see him play in the NBA first); I still have nightmares that involve Scola.
RC/Pop, make the Sheed and AV thing happen! the mere thought is making me giddy…
by theonlyromeo on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying. But, if I have to give up Ian or Tiago and a first round pick to get a proven player who will contribute heavily over the next two years AND be there afterward, then I’m doing the deal. I’m attacking the next two years and spending to do it. I can’t hamstring myself by holding onto somebody’s potential. There is no room for the timid in these next two years.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, proposing this kind of stuff takes guts on paper – imagine in real life, when there’s not “undo” command. That said, at least you’d be getting something for the young-player-who-became-a-stud, instead of what the FO did with Scola.
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by LatinD on Jul 4, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had a budget guideline, a scouting team I had confidence in, and Pop liked the way the player would fit, I’d pull do this in heartbeat with no regrets.
What’s cool about this offseason is that the Spurs have a chance to lock in some players for several years without overpaying them. Next offseason, people are going to be overpaid.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would wat till mid season to do that.
If Timmy is good to go, if Manu is okay, then yup.
by LionZion on Jul 4, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you high, I must be, too.
Throw it down, young ATS, throw it down!
by Lauri on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, this is hilarious. I just posted this 30 minutes ago or so. I start up RadioParadise and Jesus Jones doing Right Here, Right Now is on.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it must be a sign
Brucey come back, any kind of fool could see. There was something in everything about you.
by TDzilla on Jul 4, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved me some Jesus Jones for about 20 minutes. I also LOVE the go-for-broke attitude here. Can’t understand the we-can’t-do-this-if-it-stops-us-from-signing-Splitter talk. What’s he done for us? So far, all we know about the guy is that we think he might be a reasonable NBA starter and that he stiffed us last year for a ton of Euros. All potential means, people, is that you ain’t worth a crap yet.
Still have to disagree on Varajao. Watched a handful of Cavs games this year and when AV was on the floor offensively, his man was playing free safety and helping on every one of LBJ’s drives. I like the Marvin Williams idea or Paul Millsap better.
Since you brought up remakes, my wife has been listening to the Across the Universe soundtrack, which has a woman named Dana Fuchs doing Helter Skelter, which is amazing. She’s a dead vocal ringer for Janis Joplin.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
by spurchief on Jul 4, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about AV offensively. But, he’s a seven footer who can move his feet and D up in the blocks. Plus, he’s 26 right now.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Jones? Grandpa, you are way cooler than I thought.
I want you as a GM (not that the Spurs FO is bad or anything, but your master plan is genius)
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
by Chilai on Jul 4, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
recc'd
preach on brother. i f’n love this post and the options you are presenting.
by FreshmakerDTM on Jul 4, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I looove the Rage cover of Ghost of Tom Joad.
AKA: Linix129
by sw12 on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You had fun with this post, eh, ATS?
What I liked the most about it is that it shows some of the many possibilities open to GMs, which sometimes we forget. Great work, and recced to DeJuan’s trim physique.
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by LatinD on Jul 4, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did have fun. One thing that struck me, though, is how few players are out there that I like.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I realized after I stirred up the whole “what could we get if we traded Tony?” hornets’ nest, last year.
The dust settled and I realized that there just wasn’t anybody available who I liked who was making anything close to Tony’s pay.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 5, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Spurs front office has done a great job of getting good talent at a good cost. Once you start looking at salaries of guys on other teams, you just think WTF?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But by the time I got to that point, the momentum on PtR was such that there was really no way to stop it — and the rest is history. He went on to his best season ever and I went on to be known as the "Trade Tony’ guy.
Peachy.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 5, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least you weren’t the “Trade Manu” guy. Talk about a delusional loser.
Anyone remember who that was?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jul 6, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link? What link?
I have forgiven him, and therefore will not divulge his identity.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure why, but the following words com to mind when I read that: shiv, curbstomp, river, fire.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 6, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are not WoW abilities. Except for shiv for a rogue.
by LionZion on Jul 6, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My company just put out WoW Blues Alerts for the iPhone. If you are into that kind of thing.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. I will check it out. It will be a useful utility to have.
Haven’t played in a long time though. Ugh…where is the time!!
by LionZion on Jul 6, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marvin WIlliams is in Atlanta’s long term plans. I don’t see them letting him go now.
The Jazz plan to match any offer for Millsap provided it’s not excessive. Millsap is seeking 10 million per year and the Thunder are expected to offer next week. Thus he seems like a longshot for 8.5 million.
The Varejao trade seems to be the most reasonable, but we’d be taking on an over-priced contract and likely giving up a 1st round pick.
Getting Sheed is the key.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jul 4, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had thought so until I read more. I’m not really sure now.
They have a LOT of free agents and have to make a lot of decisions.
Free agents: Bibby, Murray, Pachulia, Childress, Marvin
They have Josh Smith locked up long-term and they have Horford (who is definitely in their long-term plans).
I think that they might be willing to trade him if they get some servicable stuff back and a pick (or two). Really hard to say who is available and who isn’t.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Mavs fans I talked to seem to believe they can trade with Atlanta for Joe Johnson, but it is really hard to say who Atlanta’s willing to deal.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 4, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id give up a pick for Williams
for sure; he’s barely scratched the surface
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 4, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I’d rather have Williams than Varejao. I think he has more offensive potential and could also provide the perimeter defense ATS is advocating (on which he’s correct).
Hell of a post, ATS. For such creative thinking, you get a rec.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 4, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Varejao, I’d think anything in the 6-8 mill range wouldn’t be over-priced.
I’d put him on par with Biedrins who is at 10 mill. Or Gortat who is getting the full MLE right now and Diop last year who got the MLE. There are a LOT of guys in the 7’ defender only range who get paid more that I wouldn’t want.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to get Bowen back somehow. Surely we should be able to do that.
by Lauri on Jul 4, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We won’t know about Bowen until August. Right now, MIL is shopping him as trade bait, but they have to cut him by Aug 1 unless they play on paying his full annual salary.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s my #1 option for backup small forward.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*plan
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 4, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post ATS. I see the genius in your GM capabilities with the deft use of the sign-and-trade option. You made me realize how that makes it possible to sign a player above or equal the MLE even when you’ve used up your MLE. Of course, it’s a given that you have to have the assets to pull it off and be willing to go well into luxury tax territory, but I think it’s an option that hasn’t been discussed as much in the interwebs.
Not a Varejao fan and I’m not sure if it will convince ‘Sheed to come. I like Marvin Williams though. He’s already a decent contributor but still has some potential there. Maybe if you let the free agent market run its course, the money gets tighter and then we can get some quality vets like Anthony Parker to sign on the cheap. But of course, that’s so pre-2009.
I’d like to speculate on a three-team deal but I’m too lazy to check figures. Maybe I’ll just go on the BSPN Trade Machine later.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 4, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt pay Varajeo 8M
I dont see what the big deal is with this guy, and I certainly wouldnt mortgage our future, in the form of Ian and Tiago anyway, for a guy with limited skills when Ian is probably more athletic as is
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 4, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, as a cost conscious GM, I would prefer to pay him 6 mill. But if I have to go to 8, I would. My intent there was to provide a high-side, or worst case scenario, for salary impact.
Like I said above, mobile 7 footers who can defend and not score, like Biedrins etc., go for a LOT of money. Shit, look what David Lee wants. So I don’t think 8 million is unreasonable.
At this point, Varejao is WAY better than Ian or Tiago. And I clearly stated I wanted to win in these next two years. For winning now, Varejao is far more help than Tiago who is still in Spain this year. Plus, he’s still fairly young. He’d be 31 in the last year of the contract. He’s 2 years older than Tiago and three years (I think) older than Ian.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just spent some time browsing salaries:
Tyson Chandler – 12.2M
Samuel Dalembert – 12.1M
Interesting tidbit, after next season, if Miami cuts James Jones and is unguaranteed contract they will have $0 signed for 2011 if they don’t exercise team options on their players (and assuming Wade opts out): Beasley, Cook, Chalmers. Obviously, they won’t let those guys go, but if they cut just James they are only committed to about $8M.
Other 2011 salary commitments: The Knicks, at most 23M, lowest is $0. If Curry opts out, but he won’t. Portland, 23.7M (but they’ll have to sign Aldridge and Roy to extensions). Grizz, probably up to 35M now with Zach. Clips, about 32M. TPups, 34M. Hawks, 29M right now. Celtics, 25M if Pierce opts out. Bulls, less than 35M. Cavs, less than 20M. Mavs, less than 20M if Dirk opts out, they cut Damps unguaranteed, and they don’t pick up the team option on Josh Howard. Houston, depends on Yao’s health. If Yao’s opts out, they are at 10-14M. If he doesn’t, 25-30M. Bucks, 23M if Redd opts out. Nets, less than 25M.
There are a crazy number of teams with tons of cap space. There are going to be a lot of players who get paid too much. Now is the time to Buy Low and lock up a decent player on a reasonable contract for 5 years.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant dig through that at the moment, but
Does your plan include Sheed and Varejao? Which one plays the reserve role? My point being, if we’re going to splash even 6M on a guy just for energy/D, why not give Ian a shot?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 4, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, both of them. I think the one that plays the reserve role depends on matchups.
You have 96 minutes between the two positions. That’s 32 per guy. Regular season, I’m thinking they all play about that. Playoffs would be determined by matchups.
Ian is completely unproven. I’m not putting championship hopes on him helping this year.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 4, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If youre looking for pure athleticism and energy
I think Ian can provide that at a far cheaper cost to boot.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want somebody with some proven skill. AV has proven defensive skills. He is also good enough to provide energy and athleticism. As opposed to James White, say, who has energy and athleticism out the wazoo but not the skills/knowledge/whatever to make it work.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard that there’s a medical procedure that can help people who have athleticism out the wazoo.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 5, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just gonna go ahead and say it, I’m afraid to click that link.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 6, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s completely G rated. Whenever I post a link that’s in any way questionable, I try to provide an appropriate caveat. As with yesterday’s “concur” link.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're not looking at Ians D League numbers enough
they were really good, the kid can play, and whatever his age is, his legs have limited mileage on them….his pure athleticism is probably the reason behind the Spurs drafting him in the first place.
I suppose my objections lies in that I believe we can win w/o Anderson, so why mortgage what little future we have in terms of prospects?
Now if you could get Marvin Williams, by all means trade one of them
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 4, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D-League competition is not good. Not when compared to the NBA. I don’t think the numbers translate in any meaningful way. Ian does have potential, but Varejao has proven he can play in the big league. Ian has not. Nor has he stayed healthy. I think expecting Ian to contribute as a rotation player in the playoffs (as the third big), or betting on it, would be foolish. I don’t think signing Varejao mortgages the future. I’m signing him for 5 years. He’s part of the future.
But yeah, I definitely would prefer Williams and his future might be even better.
Really, it all depends on combinations. I think Tim, Wallace, Varejao is about the worst and I would still take it. Tim, Wallace, Williams would be good. Tim, Varejao, Williams would be good. Tim, Wallace, Millsap would be good.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood, but I wouldnt discount Ian
And I hope the powers that be dont either, he was a first round pick and hasnt even been given a chance yet. The Dleague isnt on par with the NBA, obviously, but the point of it is to develop players for the NBA, and Ian has nothing left to prove there, so he’s got to be given a real shot, and at the very least, he can use his physical abilities to contribute on the glass and on D until his skills catch up.
Has Cleveland indicated theyre going to trade Anderson? It seems they would need him given the age and health issues of Shaq and Illgauskas.
I would do backflips if they could get Williams, that would be massive
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varejao is a free agent. They are already over the luxury tax limit and have two pure centers on the roster. I’m not sure how gung-ho they would be to sign him. That’s where I think a sign-and-trade could work. They get something back for a guy they might not to sign anyway.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im confused a bit
if hes a free agent, cant we just sign him outright or is he restricted?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can sign him outright. Or could if we weren’t over the cap. But since we are over the cap, we can only offer the MLE or a minimum contract. In order to give him something over the MLE, or anybody else for that matter, you have to do a sign-and-trade.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think Varejao would help on the court, but I would have to brace myself for a redoubling of the “Spurs are cheating floppers” stories. At 6 or even 8M per, he’d be a comparative bargain.
One question you didn’t address, though, is how good would Cleveland be if we traded them Bonner and Mason? They were already a 65-win team, that just upgraded their center position. Do you think adding Varejao (and FA-PF-TBD) makes us better than Cleveland with Shaq, Bonner, and Big Shot Rog?
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jul 5, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I think Cleveland would pull the trigger on that deal without hesitation. Which should tell us something. Then again, if Boston’s healthy next year, we may not have to worry about Cleveland.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 5, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I have some really off-the-wall ideas about our PF situation. Like getting one from Europe. That last one is a combo forward, but I’ve had the pleasure of watching him play a couple years back – looks a lot like Kirilenko.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 5, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don’t think Cleveland upgraded much if they lose Varejao. Shaq is more powerful inside than Ilgauskas, but Ilgauskas can shoot from 18’. If they lose Varejao, they lose what interior defense they had.
I don’t know that Cleveland would want BOTH Bonner and Mason. I don’t think they want to take on the additional salary. If they did, they’d probably just sign Varejao. I think they would only want Bonner OR Mason — since they have West, Williams, and Gibson — they might prefer Bonner as their floor-spreading 4, and instead take somebody they can buy out like Finley or cut like Williams. That’s just a guess obviously, that’s where the random picks and rights to people come in. It all depends on what each front office’s goals are.
I’ve got another post coming to cover a bunch of these conditions and strategies.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mason goes
who is our designated three point taker guy? Finley? McClinton, who by the way needs some sort of TV Cop related nick name
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d call him Highlander, just because of the “Mc” and to make people ask why I call him that.
Bring back Bruce!
Pounding the Rock - where young and ath-uh-letic happens.
by Tim C. on Jul 5, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is completely random, and I approve.
Interesting, rik, I had no idea you were a non sequitur kind of guy.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
((accidentally posted this in the wrong forum before * rolls eyes * ))
Hey all, I’ll be on vacation, camping for the next week, til Sat, July 11th! I’ll try to check in via mobile phone (really roughing it, eh?) and see if there are any updates in Spurs land. I’ll be checking for mobile updates via ESPN too. I hope everyone had a safe and happy 4th of July! Go Spurs!
-Ed
Hi, my name is Ed, and I despise the Lakers.
by dfjmed on Jul 5, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ghost of Tom Joad, Johnny Cash, Jenny Lewis…jesus ATS you really tug at my heart strings.
Just call me The Profit
by Manuwar on Jul 5, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I feel like watching The Wizard now
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This wizard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCjspyo-_aI
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be ‘This Wizard?’
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 5, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what your talking about
I was referring the the 80s classic starring jenny lewis and fred savage
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jul 5, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this it, Bren?
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATS (and for 2 reasons--all of which include because I like this place)
I have to correct you.
Watch yourself when proposing S&T’s. Unless that player is getting a raise (and most S&T’s involve that), that means the player will become BYC and when that happens that player’s trade value is now half of what the contract is (and for trading purposes during the S&T).
ATS, you still high.
Yeah, but that’s what I would be trying to do if I reigned over the kingdom. This is my team. Six studs and a bunch of potential. Has a little bit nicer ring to it, doesn’t it?
I did enjoy the read. Even though you know Sheed has committed to the C’s by now.
Of the remaining guys, I think Marvin Williams is the most interesting for San Antonio cuz he can play the 3 & 4. That is something SA definitely needs if it’s going to play multiple styles and ways.
Enjoyed it ATS.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This should read: unless that player ISN'T getting a raise
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 6, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info. I’ll do some research on the sign-and-trade angles.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck
I can’t remember a successful scenario where a S&T happened without the other team having cap room. The last successful S&T that happened in my memory (just my memory) was Rashard Lewis to Orlando in 2007. Before that? I believe Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady did that under different rules.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, ATS. However, I’d rather hold on to Tiago. I think his potential is enormous and I would hate to lose out on another possible diamond in the rough. (e.g. Luis Scola).
Plus, my good friend Bellasa would shiv me, curb stomp me, throw me into the SA river, and set me on fire if I traded him. Not only would it be justified, I would deserve no less.
Just one question. How on earth did you get access to my journal?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jul 6, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One of my many skills. Do you know you sleep with your mouth open?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First anyone who knows me knows I don’t keep a journal… those are just notes.
Second, you blog in chaps… who’s embarrassed now?
:: wiping the drool off the side of my mouth ::
Check the 1 minute mark… that’s right… I rock!.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jul 6, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bella, I did not expect you to jump from sleeping with mouth open to FBDO.
Well done.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 6, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, JRW. ATS didn’t give me much to work with, he saves all the soft pitches for Sima. I was also trying not to offend my future BFF Mrs. ATS.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jul 6, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magic for you and JRK, since you’re always linking to videos. And this is not me OCDing.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jul 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is absolutely NOT you OCDing, LatinD. Not at all.
What this is, is no less than a revolution of posting vids on PtR. Do you know how many times I’ve NOT linked to a vid, b/c it was a 3 minute clip and the part I wanted to reference was at 2:15?
Thank you. This is too cool.
Finally, who is JRK?
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 7, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like JRW and JFK, Marvel team-up style.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jul 7, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jollyrogerkennedy, eh? Please don’t be offended if I don’t switch to that immediately. ; )
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 7, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa. This should rate high on the usefully useless chart. Good find, LD.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 7, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow… way cool. I can’t wait to use that.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jul 7, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did. It works, and it’s the reason the came up with the word “awesome.”
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you, on the one hand, are an intelligent woman with great mental agility and creativity. SiMA is a man.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 7, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

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