The Spurs Roster and Front Office - Method? Or Madness?
Theo Ratliff is a San Antonio Spur!!!! Fire up the outboard on your river float. Another championship is coming our way! What? You don't think Theo is the missing piece of the puzzle?
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Now, About That Roster
With the signing of Theo Ratliff, the Spurs have 15 guys under contract for the 09-10 season. However, the common belief is that Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams have unguaranteed contracts. Odds are, the Spur have the option on these until after training camp. However, that is just speculation on my part. I'm not sure when their contract guarantee dates are. The current roster is:
- Tim Duncan
- Tony Parker
- Manu Ginobili
- Richard Jefferson
- Antonio McDyess
- George Hill
- Roger Mason
- Michael Finley
- Matt Bonner
- Ian Mahinmi
- DeJuan Blair
- Marcus Haislip
- Theo Ratliff
- Marcus Williams
- Malik Hairston
Why Theo?
Lots of discussion has arisen regarding Theo being our 7th big. I'm not sure it really can be seen as much of anything. I don't think it is an indicator of future moves. I think it was more a case of something that was the best thing to do at the time. Here's why.
I can't speak to Theo Ratliff's skills and whether or not he fits the Spurs system. If the Spurs front office signed him, I have to think they think he will be useful. You know, because that is what they do and it is NOT what I do. I give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to evaluating talent and how it fits their system. I'm benevolent like that. You may bow before me and my magnanimosity (I spelled that correctly without even looking it up. Score).
What I can say, is that he was CHEAP. He signed for the veteran minimum. He's an old vet, which means the league picks up the tab on like half his salary. Maybe it doesn't even count against the luxury tax which makes him that much more of a bargain.
The Spurs System and Balance of Skills
Before bashing the front office for signing a 7th big, I think you have to look at how the Spurs seem to put pieces together. In general, over the last few years, the Spurs have constructed the roster so that we didn't have many duplicate parts. Different people brought different things and nobody was redundant.
In many ways, the Spurs consider their 4's and 5's to be interchangeable so I don't think it is worth breaking down into PF and C. The fact that we call Matt Bonner a center is proof enough.
In the front court, Kurt Thomas was a banger and had a mid-range jumper. Fab was a banger with passing ability and no jumper. Matt Bonner had 3-point range. Francisco was a jumper who could run.
Last year we had: Tim, Matt, Kurt, Fab, Ian, and Drew Gooden
This year, up front, with Tim are Antonio, Matt, Ian, DeJuan, Marcus, and Theo. We have quite the variety of skills and a little more depth. In addition, Haislip can be considered a 3/4. Last year we didn't have a 3/4.
The Spurs also use their 2's and 3's pretty interchangeably. On the wing, Bruce played tenacious D and hit the corner three. Ime was a power defender who could handle the rare powerful small forward that gave Bruce problems. Brent Barry was the 3-point specialist who could pass and was good if the other team didn't have a wing that required a good defender. We were as likely to see Manu and Finley as Manu and Barry or Finley and Bruce.
I think the place we got the extra room for the 7th big is at the point guard. We have always carried three point guards. Three true point guards. Tony, Nick, Beno. Tony, Beno, The JV. Tony, George, The JV. Ok, I'm busted. George isn't quite a true point guard, but I think he is close. NOTE: I use true point guard and not pure point guard. By true point guard, I only mean somebody who adept at getting the ball up the court and the team into their offense. For all the knocks we throw at Tony, you can't pressure him. He would destroy you.
This year, we have Tony and George. In addition, two of our wings are capable of running the point as well. Both Roger Mason and Manu can get the ball up court and the team into their offense. With that flexibility, I think the Spurs front office felt they didn't need to sign the third point guard. NOTE: I know Tim at 48MoH is big on Marcus Williams as a point forward. I'm not hopping on that bus until I see him do it a few times. Even if it is in the preseason. I'll acknowledge that Tim has me intrigued and I would like to see it, but I'm not counting as a yardbird just yet.
I Declare
I think it is method. I think we used the extra point guard spot freed up from the flexibility of our guards to add some flexibility and insurance to our frontcourt.
We have a lot of youth in our frontcourt and we have a lot of age in our frontcourt. I don't think we can expect a lot of production out of Blair, Mahinmi, and Haislip. I'll take it. I just don't think we can count on it. I don't think we can expect a lot of minutes out of Tim, Antonio, and Theo. And, in fact, I won't take it. I don't want them a logging a lot of minutes this season. I want them to be healthy at playoff time.
If you think about it, their isn't a lot of redundancy. Maybe Theo and Ian would be providing similar things. Maybe Haislip and Bonner are providing similar things. If Ian and Marcus end up being good enough to make Theo and Bonner not useful, that's a good thing, right?
I think the 7th big is a very good thing. I don't think it is costing us anything from our squad by doing it.
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Good post ATS and completely agree. I liked the Theo signing when it happened and the more I think about it the more I like our depth in the front court because as you stated we have two shooting guards who can do the ball handling duty if Tony or George go down with an injury.
Just call me The Profit
by Manuwar on Jul 30, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We just did not have enough depth in the frontcourt going down the stretch last season. Even though we grabbed Gooden, Pop distrusted his defense so much that Drew wasn’t playing. At least both Dice and Rat have shown defensive prowess in the past, making it a better bet that they can handle the Spurs’ defensive rotations. Or that’s what I’m hoping.
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by CapHill on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I’m pumped on the defensive toughness and ability Dice and Rat bring. If we have Tony, Manu, RJ on the floor together we don’t really need much more scoring anyway-just some bigs who are williing to set picks, rebound and whoop ass.
Just call me The Profit
by Manuwar on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I’m pumped on the scoring Tony, Manu, RJ bring. If we have Tim and Dice/Ratliff on the floor together we don’t really need much more inside defense and rebounding anyway-just some wings with defensive toughness and ability and can whoop ass.
i think the lakers fan has a valid point. we can live with kobe chucking shot after shot in the fourth. but whos going to hound him the 1st three quarters? i just hope rj can do it. thats why i miss bowen—or another really good defensive wing.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can live with Kobe hitting clutch shots but RJ is still a decent deffender. Im also getting a little worried about Tony getting hurt in France.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
by Manu-20 on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(not unlike what happened with Rat’s agent and SA FO)…you had me at CHEAP.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 30, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Theo is this year’s Kevin Willis, but without the T Rex arms.
"Give me chonchon."
by Slowpoke Rodriguez on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither
SPARTA!!
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
???
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 30, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the whole madness thing. Terrible joke I know, but I enjoy entertaining myself.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team looks a lot like the 03 spurs.
by spursfan87 on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Minus the greatest center to dawn a Spurs uniform.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah … Except for that — um, little thing, there.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean?!? Matt Bonner’s still on the team, isn’t he?
by Gino20 on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, yeah…funny, but not, all at the same time.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post ATS, agree with you 100 percent. One thing I was interested in knowing though. considering how the team uses it’s Toros call up throughout the season, this means that we should have 14 roster spots available. Who gets cut? Judging by you not buying in on Williams yet, I think your choice will be williams right? Or does the organization stop doing call ups since there doesn’t seem like there will be anyone in the Toros that we will want to evaluate this season (McClinton is a year or two away, if not more).
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said it before… McClinton can make more money in Europe. Unless the Spurs have promised him something, I’d imagine his agent is already working on a deal with a European club, with the Spurs involved in trying to make sure it’s only a one-year deal(a la Gist).
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can get more money in europe but I dont think that would help his game, even though Europe is tougher that the NBDL.
I want Jack to get used to the Nba game, the NBA three point line, and the spurs system, he can do that playing with austin. Maybe the spurs can sign him (he will make like 500K) for a year and send him to the toros. I expect Jack to be with the Spurs next year.
by spursfan87 on Jul 30, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if anyone can verify or refute this for me, but… in order for the Toros(or any D-League team) to sign McClinton, I believe the Spurs would have to renounce his rights or sign him to the big-league roster. If they sign him to the big league roster, they have to free up a roster spot by renouncing either Williams or Hairston, who would likely be snatched by another team. I think they’re better off to let him play in Europe for a year, then have him take Mason or Finley’s vacated spot next year. Our talent pool is overflowing, which is a good problem to have, but still a problem.
Anyway, barring any more roster changes this season, I’m hoping the roster turnover next summer goes something like this:
Mason —> McClinton
Finley —> De Colo
Bonner —> Gist
Ratliff —> Splitter
But, that doesn’t take our draftees next year into account.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like all that but I hope we resign Mason instead of bringing in Jack.
Just call me The Profit
by Manuwar on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to resign Manu next year, Jack for Mason make sense economically. But I’m sure that if Mason has a big year the spurs will retain him, and replace Finley with jack
by spursfan87 on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it. If they decide to keep Mase, De Colo stays overseas.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you only put one “-” and then a “>” the post automatically links them into a neat arrow….
→, see
Finley, Bonner, Ratliff, and Mason ~ 10 million outgoing
McClinton, De Colo, and Gist would make about 3 million combined. Splitter will make 3-4 million per I think. 4 million saved is big when considering RJ’s contract and Manu’s negotiations. For that same reason, all 4 of those players will become very valuable at the trade deadline of next season.
by BlaseE on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, do you think the spurs keep their roster at 15 then?
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if they keep Hairston and Williams, they could probably assign either of them to the Toros. However, if they think they are guys that can contribute there is no reason to save that roster spot for some other random guy.
You don’t cut a good player in order to have a chance to look at a lesser player. Not if you think that good player can contribute.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn’t Williams been with Austin the last 2 seasons? I thought that meant he can’t be sent back without being cut(like Ian).
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure because Williams wasn’t a on an NBA contract for those years. He was on a D-League contract. Ian, on the other hand, is on his rookie contract.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 30, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I think you’re right about that, and they could send him back if they want.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes a lot of sense. thanks.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post – I’m slowing coming over to the “this is the final roster” camp.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love our squad, so far. I just want the Spurs to get back to being tough a nails again- and I think we will be. I want us to be rebounding beasts, and I think that lock-down D will be back.
"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
by dfjmed on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not too many bigs
I agree with your analysis and think we won’t need a third point guard (yet).And the interchangeable structure is needed in today’s NBA to manipulate the changing matchups. I would add I THINK the FO/Pop also want to get back to our old strong team read interior defense after last year’s fiasco. I believe Pop wants at all times under any scenario AT LEAST TWO of the frontline three to be great defenders AND rebounders. Optimally, I can see Tim, RJ, and Dice starting with Ratliff, Haislip, Bonner second unit normally; Haislip playing some 3 to create nightmares like LAL, Orlando, Cleveland did last year. If Mahinmi is our 13th-15th man and gets to play he might anchor Blair and Finley on a third unit; Just a thought but keepinig that 2 outta 3 bunch on the floor.
by comsys on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both Roger Mason andManu can get the ball up court and the team into their offense.
There, I fixed it.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mason can get the ball up court. He can’t pass it, though, so they should limit him for going behind the screen and then shooting an off-balanced three that will invariably go on. Of course, it’ll count for 2 points only, because he will be stepping on the line.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One great post after another.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet I can’t help but feel that’s there’s one more trade in the horizon.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep I think so too
Finley, M.Williams,Bonner for Posey or Battier
by spursfan87 on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get LD on Battier, it gets embarrassing for him.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we somehow miraculously by the grace of goodness acquire Battier, I do not ever want to hear about – from either a sports analyst, Mark Jackson, a coworker- or any other Laker fans out there that the Spurs have no one that can stop LA down low.
"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
by dfjmed on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odem staying
First, here’s the link.
ttp://tinyurl.com/l8vgw9
2nd, does this change things? New big man that can d?…etc…
I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?
by JonDough on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re OK in the frontcourt. I would like a defensive specialist on the wing, though. It just feels naked to not have Bruce or a “new” Bruce.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!
by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would really like Posey as the defesive specialist, he is a proven winner.
by spursfan87 on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw JonDough, your avatar is pure awesome.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the FO is expecting/hoping that Marcus Haislip, that was acquired from Europe during this offseason can become our big that is capable of defending mobile 4’s
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope he fits the bill. or we really need a defensive wing. bruce was able to guard anyone from kevin martin to dirk nowitzki.
i hate that the previous sentence is in the past tense.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 30, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
I liked this line:
I
’m benevolent like that. You may bow before me and my magnanimosity
I think you’re right. Another thing to note is that our PG is Tony Parker and he’s what, 27? He’s young and can still log a bunch of minutes. Also, Hill has gained the trust of Pop and the FO, and he can log a bunch of minutes as well.
The front court is not young. TD and Dice are going to be the main guys and they will both need rest. Clearly if there is a spot on this team that needs to be deep it is the front court.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff adds one thing none of the other bigs have proven capable of yet...
Blocking shots. That was a pretty big part of the first two championships, where Robinson and Duncan in the paint were both shot blocking presences, so the Spurs could afford to play tighter defense in the perimeter, if the defenders get around the wing guys they get funneled base-line to a shot blocker.
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by Jaceman on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting article. I was wondering what the Spurs FO was up to.
One challenge will be getting everyone enough playing time to get acclimated to the system and get used to playing together. Perhaps (OK probably) the Spurs are good enough to beat most teams while some new additions are on the floor learning. . .which also allows them to rest the key assets. Hmmm, crafty.
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by olf on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They were good enough last year to play without there best players for large chunks of the year and still be the 3 seed in the West. I think you are right about the new guys getting playing time. That will be important.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about last year. Plus there are so few meaningful games during the season that it is hard to gauge where a team stands. I mean does it really matter if a contending western team wins or loses to a lower eastern team (Bobcats, Philly)? The Cavs went 41-1 at home and had the best record but it wasn’t enough for them.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Jul 31, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olf, please forgive me for blog profiling you. I must admit I like your insight, even tho we may agree to disagree. No pun to current events intended!
by JaySo on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks dude. But make no mistake I am as big a Laker fan as there is. I like to come here to keep an eye on what those wily old (though recently refurbished) Spurs are up to. I’m not above posting a humorous or snarky comment but I don’t shoot for the incendiary or agitating ones.
I also try to keep an eye on the Blazers since they have been a challenge for the L’s too. But going to their blog with hopes of gaining some subtle insight is like trying to get a sip of water from a fire hose. They’re not fans they’re frickin’ maniacs up there.
I also hear I should keep an eye out for the Mavs but Dirk, J-Kidd & Sean Marion will have to beat us a couple of times before I take them seriously.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Jul 31, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason, the Clippers aren’t on your list. I’m surprised.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha. I do think they will be much improved and will maybe make the playoffs for the first time in forever. And the funny thing is, free Clipper tickets are seemingly always available so I’ll go with the family or whatever but when I get there the Clips just make the eyes roll back in my head. So I usually end up ignoring the game and yaking. The home games for the Clips & Lakers have a completely different vibe.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Jul 31, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically enough, the Clippers have finally gotten better and drafted some good young players. However, as long as Sterling and Dunleavy are the guys pulling the strings, I have the strong urge to tell Gordon and Griffin to run away.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they’ll be a “night off” for visiting teams anymore. But yeah Dunleavy needs to fire himself as coach and then have Sterling fire him as GM & sell the team before they go anywhere.
(funny youtube)
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by olf on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Blazersedge is so busy, it’s hard to find the truly meaningful insight among all the other stuff. The guys that run it and post on the front page do a good enough job, though.
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It’s not the guys who run it. They do a pretty good job managing the chaos. I mean 4500+ votes on a poll and posts/articles regularly have 400-600+ comments. Takes a lot to wade through the garbage. And I don’t even like the Blazers.
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by olf on Jul 31, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucks just cut Bruce Bowen. I know the roster is full but anybody see him coming back to the Spurs?
by BigSexyTC on Jul 31, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. It’s been FanShotted.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
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by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff adds nothing, sorry folks.
Facts:
Ratliff has not played an entire season in 5 years and is 37.
Ratliff’’s per game averages last year are: 2.8 rebounds per game one point and one block per game.
This guy is not even close to a difference maker as a roster addition. Personally I think he will be cut before final rosters are determined this year.
by snpflr on Jul 31, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When you were looking up those stats, did you bother trying the per-48 minute splits? I’m guessing no. Also, I don’t think his value as a player is going to be as much as the value he brings in mentoring our younger bigs.
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of us expect him to be a huge part of the rotation. He’s a decent option for 5-10 minutes a game and he’s cheap, signing for only the veteran minimum.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for a fact check.
Theo Ratliff is 36.
He averaged 2 points per game. We here in this establishment round 1.9 up to 2. It’s just how we roll.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 31, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, nice choice of music for this thread. I’ve been listening to it off and on all day. Bajka’s got this lazy-cool vibe to her voice which I quite like and the rap’s flow is infectious.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. I like her stuff quite a bit.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 31, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
My bad he’s 36 but will be 37 when the coming NBA regular season/Playoffs come around in 2010. Because of that sir I will agree with your point on your post and also give over the .1 to his 1.9 avg making it a solid 2 points. Thank you for correcting my errors. I have no doubt Theo will be a major difference/force. Especially as a benchwarming cheerleader. So when he gets his chances to go in, (for example when the Spurs are up 30 pts with 5 minutes left in a game or to finish the last 24 seconds or less of each quarter) I’m certain we’ll see what a difference maker he is.
In all seriousness, McDyess, though 36 is in my view more signiificant a move to the Spurs frontcourt than Theo or whomever the nobody Haslip is on the current roster. McDyess though 36 and 6 9 but a solid 245lbs and can SPell AND/OR play along side Duncan if needed as he is a fine all around power/forward/center and has been his entire career. For old guys like myself we remember McDyess awesome ability and potential and admired it before he badly injured his knees in Denver and was robbed of ever reaching his peak with 100% health before entering his prime. The fact that he was able to carve out a career with those very early rookie and sophmore season’s unfortunate injuries is further credit to his resolve and ability and basketball IQ. He’s also won a title with the Pistons and make no mistake he was an important part of that roster his entire tenure. He is still a solid defender, has a sweet outside shot, can rebound and block a few shots too. So I think he’ll make a better mentor than the one dimensional Ratliff by example and b/c he’s been and played on a champion ship team.
Now, the rest of the Spurs potential frontcourt players for the coming season:
Matt Bonner- can play NO “D”, is only good if he’s hitting outside shots, poor rebounder for his size
Hairslip- too green to tell what if anything he can contribute, muchless even make the roster.
Ian Mahinmii?- don’t think he’s quite ready to take on signficant minutes or make this roster even. He’s got some athleticisim at 6 11 and 230 per scouts but he’s played in France only and it remains to be seen if he can adjust to playing in the NBA as quickly as Spurs staff would like. Even Tony Parker, with all his athleticism and overall talent took about 2 full regular seasons before he began hitting his stride and gaining confidence in the NBA. Plus Ian’s from France, like Tony Parker and you just know that THAT alone, (being a Frenchman) is enough to have doubts (though Tony’s French born I believe he’s actually Belgian if my Spur Fan best friend’s telling me this correctly) I mean the French don’t even have a WORD for victory or bravery in their language right? lol… regardless, this has been fun.
by snpflr on Aug 8, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
snpflr, thanks for your post.
There’s a lot here that I agree with, but I think that the Rat will be able to do a bit more than play in blowouts. His value comes in being able to play a few minutes worth of tough defense on the opposing team’s scoring big man, when Duncan is resting or forced to the bench due to foul trouble. He’s obviously too old to play much, but he’s still capable of playing at a high level, albeit for limited minutes.
As far as Maninmi’s concerned, whether he can contribute this year is one of the biggest question marks the Spurs have going into this season. Most of us waited in vain all last year to see what, if anything, he could do against NBA talent (he’s played quite well on the Austin Toros D-League team) but his ankle injuries kept him from being able to show us anything.
Hope to see more thought/conversation provoking posts from you.
From under the radar to hanging in the rafters - Big50
5 in 10
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 9, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Ratliff isn’t worth too much. Bowen might be able to help the Spurs more.
In fact, McDyess did not win an NBA championship. He joined the Pistons after the 2004 title, then lost in 7 to the Spurs in the ’05 Finals.
by Gino20 on Aug 10, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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