Just finished watching the Lakers' Championship DVD....
So my dad basically guilt-tripped me into watching the Lakers' commemorative title DVD with him today (he said it was only fair, since he'd watched every one of my Spurs' vids at least once with me), and I must say I enjoyed it in spite of myself. Of course, my enjoyment was increased partly because Spurs-Lakers game footage was not featured once during the entire film (not even a mention of Spike Lee's "Kobe Doin' Work" project), which at first surprised me, then made me feel less unclean by watching the video. Like any team that hasn't had an all-star big man gift-wrapped to them, the LA went through their ups and downs during the season and responded well to adversity when they absolutely had to. While my respect for Mr. Bryant as an individual was hardly elevated, I did come to appreciate his approach to the game even moreso than before. No, he's nowhere near the caliber of player that our own Timmeh is, but his focus and intensity left nothing to be desired during this most recent postseason. Oh, and though this is hardly news to anyone who has any ties whatsoever to the Silver and Black, Derek Fisher is one cold-blooded mother!
Naturally, though, I had to re-brainwash purify myself by pulling out my collection of Spurs media and remind myself that the basketball glory days of the Alamo City are still very much upon us. No, I'm not saying that a "Spurs Champions 2010" DVD is coming soon to my video shelf, but as long as Pop and the FO keep working their magic and #21 rules the hardwood in his inimitably unassuming manner, it's easy to believe that more treasured memories-to-be are just around the corner. Here's to even the remotest possibility of "5 in 10," Lord willing and the creek don't rise!
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Five in Ten
cinco en diez
five in 10
pheyev N tin
5 in ten
0×05 0×6e 0×0a
5 in 10
ˈfīv ənˈten
cinq dans dix
101 in 1010
#5 in ’10
5N10
nickel & dime
Now that we’ve been over what this means can we agree that any of these variants will work?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 30, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would also like to propose
khamseh bil 3ashereh
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it. I wanted to do a number of different languages, but (in the interest of time) I decided to keep it to the ones I knew were represented by the players on the roster.
What’s the language, and does the “3” really belong?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 31, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Arabic. The 3 stands for the letter “ayn.” You make it by constricting your vocal chords and trying to make an “ah” sound. There is no equivalent in any western language, so when transliterated you have to use a number or other symbol.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Aug 1, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have images of the words or letters that you can post or send to me? so I can see what it looks like all together
also is it read from right to left?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 1, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allright! Keep ‘em coming people and we’ll have enough for a t-shirt.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 31, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One for the thumb that has been casually been sitting up the team’s ass for the past two seasons.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Aug 3, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hirschof, no offense, but I’ve previously made my feelings known about that particular phrase.
Much less having it on a PtR t-shirt. =]
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only said it for the “thumb up their ass” part.
I don’t give a damn what people call it.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Aug 5, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objection!
=]
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you’re back at it — and just last night I was thinking that we’d seen so few of these from you recently
perhaps the whole drive for five in the year -ten thing just brings out the worst in you
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it did. Perhaps I should let it all out after all the ignominy I’ve been through. (goes to a corner to cry)
T_T
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished watching the Lakers’ Championship DVD…and I must say I enjoyed it in spite of myself.
One love, my brother.
Now you just got to work on getting a new name.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be the definition of “the worst possible time for olf to log in to a post.”
sf4e, if you think you’re not going to be hearing about this during the season (or at least whenever the Spurs play the Lakers) then you’re sadly mistaken.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 30, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, I just enjoyed the way the vid was put together, not the subject matter. I can appreciate good bball, and I give kudos to any team that plays well enough to win an NBA title.
…..but be not deceived—watching Spurs’ vids (yes, even the low-quality youtube ones) is far more enjoyable than anything the purple and gold mob can dish up. Still SpursFan4Ever! ;)
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas." -Davy Crockett
"Give me an army of West Point graduates, and I'll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war." -Gen. George S. Patton
by spursfan4ever on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just finished watching the Lakers’ Championship DVD…
Why does this remind me of a certain scene from Clockwork Orange?
by 4Him on Jul 30, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking The Grudge
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!
by Tim C. on Jul 30, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to any Spurs fan
who can handle watching an opposing teams Championship DVD especially of a Lakers Championship. I could not the same…not for any anger or negative feelings but the pain is too great to see my beloved Lakers loose.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to any Lakers fan who can actually give kudos to a Spurs fan, and mean it.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to any Spurs fan that can give Kudos to a Lakers fan for giving Kudos………….aw forget it.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I regularly trade kudos with a certain Lakers fan.
by Lauri on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youch! In that case be careful with the Spurs lady. You don’t want to permanently damage the guy.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Aug 1, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it a good thing, for your team to be loose? :-)
by 4Him on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d think it’d be better than having his favorite team all tight.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your team is the Laker girls..............YES.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No, he's nowhere near the caliber of player that our own Timmeh is......"
Come on now! That’s just S&B bias! Yes I’m an LA fan but I give credit and respect to the fine Spurs organization (players and coaching and office staff), particularly over the last 20 years in putting a good competitive team on the floor. However, to say that Kobe is “nowhere near the caliber….” is simply ignoring fact. Right now, as great as the “Big Easy” once was, he is in decline and any NBA fan can see it regardless of favorite team. Kobe has been to 6 Championships and won four and he is every a nightmare matchup at his position as T.D. is and more so at this stage of their careers. My opinion of course but Timmy’s knees are expediting his decline. R.J. was a good addition and made San Antonio slighly improved, but the Spurs current roster when fully healthy against L.A.‘s roster when fully healthy is the weaker one and won’t be able to take L.A. out this year.
by snpflr on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1. T.D. may appear to be on a decline or maybe you read that somewhere, but his numbers are incredibly consistent (including last year). T.D. plays for Pop who monitors minutes and never asks players to play when they are even remotely hurt. Also, Playoff T.D. and regular season T.D. are two completely different beasts. Sadly, we didn’t get to see enough of Playoff T.D. last season so people think he is on some major decline. If you want to see just how much T.D. hasn’t declined, rewatch our overtime against New Orleans in the last game of the season.
2. “R.J. was a good addition and made San Antonio slighly improved” is absolute garbage, which is coincidentally what the players who we traded played in terms of minutes. Trading 3 guys that don’t get 20 minutes a game for a 82-game starter who was his team’s leading scorer the year before is not a slight improvement. Solidifying a front court with two veterans that specialize in two of our weaknesses and a rookie that specializes in our biggest weakness is also not a slight improvement. Hill’s improvement will also be greater than slight.
3. Kobe is a great player. He lead a mediocre, uninspired team to a championship last season. If we’re healthy next season, I pray we play the Lakers in the playoffs because not only will we beat them, it won’t be close. The only thing the Lakers have to put any hope in is Bynum improving. I’m sure Odom is ecstatic to come play for an owner who undervalues him and tried to short change him. Awesome offseason. It’s usually not a good offseason when your biggest stories are “our head coach only wants to do home games”, “we got one of the biggest egomaniacs on our team and we locked him in for 5 years!”, and “we were barely able to keep a player who really only wanted to play for us and by wanted to play for us, I mean wants to live in LA and not be a Clipper.”
by BlaseE on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werd
Also, note. Tim Duncan is THE best player to ever play his position. Kobe might be 3rd. One place I disagree with you BlaseE is that the Lakers were mediocre last year. No, they were the most talented team in the league. I think it speaks to them, Kobe and Phil Jackson that they had such a tough time beating teams with much less talent (see: Denver and Houston). If Kobe Bryant had taken this team without Gasol and won, you’d have to give him props, but he didn’t, he couldn’t. Kobe is one of the greatest offensive players ever, but he’s not the leader of men that Tim Duncan is.
by Big50 on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers roster is way overrated. The only players they had last year that weren’t overrated were Kobe and Ariza. I guess Shannon Brown and Morrison too. Odom is given way too much credit. Pau Gasol is a good player but way overrated. Bynum has been set back by injuries so he is problably accurately judged right now. Fisher, Walton, Vujacic, and Farmar don’t put any fear in anyone’s hearts. That roster doesn’t beat any of the championship teams from the last decade except maybe Miami and even that is a maybe.
by BlaseE on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gasol overratted?
Arguably the best PF in the game last season. And he only made the All-NBA 3rd team? That’s called underrated, in my book.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 31, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, gotta agree with Tandur here..............
Gasol overrated?? Not by a long shot. He was basically equal to TD this year so what does that make TD, extremely overrated? Sorry, but no way. He is a top 3 PF in this league right now and will be for a while.
I intended to come here to peruse, but I sense a few more posts before I go.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry but Gasol is in no way equal to TD. Let me give you one example, TD can play defense.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron is in no way equal to Kobe.....
Let me give you an example, Kobe has a mid-range game. See two can play that game.
I said “basically” equal. According to the devil Hollinger, Pau is #2 Power Forward behind Dirk and Duncan is #2 Center behind Howard.
http://tinyurl.com/NBApowerforwards
According to NBA.com Pau is slightly ahead of Duncan in efficiency for last year.
http://tinyurl.com/duncan-gasol.
I won’t be as arrogant as a Blazer troll on SSandR who claims B.Roy is just as good as Kobe because of some BS stats, but I do think at this point in their careers, Duncan’s decline and Pau’s incline are getting very, very close to each other.
P.S. Pau’s defense is not as good as Duncan’s, but it’s underrated.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That decline is overrated and BS. Pau’s incline? You mean being rescued from a horrible franchise to a team that has an FO that cares?
Pau gets a double-double in 41% of his career starts. Duncan? 72%. That is in 320 more starts too. Pau averages 1.2 less mpg on his career if you think that is holding him back. I’m not saying Pau isn’t good. I’m just saying he is overrated. If Kobe hadn’t picked up his option and instead left as a free agent, would you be happy if the Lakers retooled the team to play around Gasol as your main player?
by BlaseE on Aug 1, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you comparing career stats???
What did I say about career numbers. I said right now they are about equal, or similar. Look it up. I am not disrespecting your GOD Timmy, those are just the facts.
Secondly Pau is not Overrated. He really is that good. For the record I though he was overrated until I saw him play the last 150 or so games for LA. He is definitely not overrated. Nowitzki on the other hand…………….
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nowitzki on the other hand
Yay! We agree on something!
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Aug 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Tim Duncan decline is what is overrated if you would actually look at his stats. Last season was almost dead on his career numbers. Pau is overrated because he couldn’t do anything with Memphis and once his role was reduced in LA. His numbers (other than FG%) are almost identical to when he was in Memphis. He isn’t any better than when he couldn’t do anything with that team. I’m not saying he isn’t good. I’m just saying he is benefiting from his situation and the LA media. He is overrated.
by BlaseE on Aug 1, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Pau is no better than he used to be.......
and Tim is no worse than he used to be, then why were they almost statistically equal this year? That would mean they are about equal for their career which is certainly not true.
The truth is that Pau is better than he used to be and Tim is worse, sorry but the numbers don’t lie.
Nowitzki on the other hand is still the most overrated player in the league….MVP my ass.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pau played 500 more minutes than Duncan. We are also trying reduce Duncan’s role and increase Tony’s. That is more of the reason for Duncan’s slight stat decreases in scoring. The only stat that is really deteriorating with his age is his blocking. Other than that, the aging decline is overrated.
As I’ve said like 4 times, Pau is a good player, but he is overrated by the media. Take Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh is putting up better numbers than Gasol but he is the leader of this team. If Chris Bosh continues with Toronto and retired there and never did anything more than put up some 20 and 10’s, it would be a debate whether he was even in the HoF discussion. Gasol was in a very similar position with Memphis (with worse numbers), and now that he is in LA, the media acts like he is this top tier superstar.
So again, Pau is good, but because he plays in LA on a good team with one of the best players ever, he gets more credit than he deserves hence overrated.
by BlaseE on Aug 2, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but.....
The stats don’t back up your argument. I am not a big fan of PER, but it is a good way to compare like players.
Bosh and Pau have equal PER and Pau’s is better per 48 minutes. He also plays on a better team (which seems to matter though I don’t know why). He also plays with one of the highest scoring players in the league.
I suppose you can say he is a better player as a 2nd option than he was as the first option, but I don’t really think that is relevant. I still don’t see how he is overrated. He is 7th in PER in the entire NBA and 3rd among forwards behind LeBron and Dirk, just ahead of Bosh and Duncan.
I suppose because he played on the NBA champs this year you could say the media hype made him overrated, but I don’t think the average fan would believe he was 7th in the league in PER.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is he 7th in PER? Your link to NBA.com ranks him in EFF. Do you know how that stat is calculated? I didn’t see it.
Hollinger’s PER has him at 14. I think your point is still valid at 14 though. I did notice David Lee is 34th in PER but 12th on that EFF list.
by BlaseE on Aug 2, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This discussion between you guys has been really interesting to follow, but I have to chime in and say that it’s difficult for Spurs fans to agree on how “overrated” or “underrated” players are — how much more so for fans of rival teams, like the two of you are?
It’s just so subjective that one person could point to stats to show how a player is overrated and another person could look at the same number and feel that the player is underrated. So much depends on your own feelings about what the media says, how often they say it, whether it’s the national media saying it and whether they say it well enough.
Again, it’s fun to see this conversation progress, but I can’t help wishing that you were battling over something with a somewhat better chance of reaching some kind of conclusion — as if such a topic even exists. =]
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk Nowitzki is overrated....
Now that’s something we can all agree on, right.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody alert the Mavs Moneyball guys that their Hasslehoff-loving sweet-shooting forward’s honor is being besmirched by the combined efforts of SS&R and PtR.
It’s time for them to come to the defense of their guy. Otherwise … um — then there will be, uh, well … I’m sure something bad will happen. Right?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s time for them to come to the defense of their guy. Otherwise … um — then there will be, uh, well … I’m sure something bad will happen. Right?
by Lauri on Aug 2, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure they will throw a rock or two....
Then run like hell.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
already done. Of course, there’s a link fail before that which I don’t think they’ll understand.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that
it’s not just us Mavs fans who “throw a rock or two” and then run like hell.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Aug 3, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you’re admitting that Mavs fans only throw a rock or two? jk. you said it though. Anyways, hope you join in on the discussion.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends.
I’ll admit that there are Mavs fans who do that, but every team has those types of people who act obnoxious.
As for Dirk being overrated? It’s a weird thing. I don’t hear anything about him getting more credit than he deserves: moreso, it seems to be that he’s a “playoff choker” which is just a completely stupid argument, based on…two series? That MVP came from “best player on the best team”, and there wasn’t a clear-cut alternative. I say he deserved it though, but maybe it was partly because nobody really had an amazing season that time.
As for Lakers/Spurs, I’m picking LA for now. I don’t have the time for a lengthy breakdown of the entire thing, but for now, I’m not expecting Artest to be a headcase and screw things up in Tinseltown. I think they won’t miss a beat with him over Ariza, considering from what I can tell, he’s still a perfectly good defender and a bigger scoring threat (Ariza has no handles whatsoever). Spurs are gonna get a boost getting Jefferson and Ginobili back and that’s going to make them more dangerous across the board, considering there’s still Duncan, Parker and Mason, but I’m still tipping the Lakers for now.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Aug 3, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a Spurs fan, and there’s no way Dirk is overrated. I’m with you, Jon.
WWTD?
by Lauri on Aug 3, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Dirk is overrated either in terms of play.
If he lacks anything, its leadership skills i suppose. Other than that, he is a guy who plays hard and pretty much can outscore anyone on a given night. Defense, well, its not horrendous.
Lol, not trying to stir a hornets nest here, but I think Dirk is coupla levels above Pau “Shaggy” Gasol.
by LionZion on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of hatred going on
Maybe you guys think he’s overrated because he never won a ring, but we all know why he didn’t.
Can a player be overrated when he puts playoffs career averages 25 ppg 11 rpg 2 apg 1 spg 1 bpg, when he arrives to a bad team and in a couple years they’re in the Finals, when he keeps his team in the elite of the NBA for so many years, when every year he’s in an All-NBA team and in the All-Star game, when he does something like this???
by mg4tx on Aug 3, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cringe every time I look at that video. Great video for a mavs fan though. But still, a careless play by Ginobili. Anyways, I thought Dirk was a overrated two seasons ago, but I think he’s underrated now, he’s still putting up stellar numbers but people having forgotten about him for some reason. The only thing I don’t like about his game is that I wish he would develop some kind of post game. Then he would almost be unstoppable instead of teams just putting a smaller defender on him. He’s still a match up nightmare, but I can’t help but see him as a 7 foot shooting guard and it bothers me, I don’t know why.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like
I cry still when I think 2003 WCF, Game 6.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Aug 3, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Mavs fan! That’s rare around here.
Welcome, man. How do you feel about your team this year?
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mildly confident
But I’m not expecting a lot more than maybe a second-round exit, yet again. They might get to the WCF if they get good matchups and have results go their way. Losing Gortat definitely burned.
My tip for the season: Spurs win the Southwest with the Mavs trailing just behind them.
I smell another second-round playoffs meeting between the two teams, somehow. The teams go toe-to-toe for six games and it goes to Game 7 in San Antonio.
In the game, the Mavs trot out to a 20-point lead by halfway through the first quarter but then get burned by foul trouble. The Spurs sneak it back to 15 at the half and 6 by the end of three.
Of course, San Antonio’s all over the Mavs in the fourth, on the back of their home crowd. They tie it up with five minutes left, and get ahead on a Tony Parker layup. Dallas doesn’t fold and they keep going basket-for-basket for the next four minutes.
With forty seconds left, scores tied, the Spurs move ahead on a shotclock-beating three by uh…Matt Bonner. Dirk gets the ball in a similar situation to 2006. He goes to the rim in the same way like 2006. Manu seriously considers fouling him again for the helluva, but chooses against it, and Dirk makes the layup.
The Spurs get the ball with just under thirty seconds left and a one-point lead. They kill time before throwing up a shot that bounces off the rim.
And finally my Mavs homerism comes in: JJ Barea gets the ball to Matt Carroll, inserted in because Howard, Kidd, Ross and Beaubois have all managed to foul out, and he promptly lands a half-court bomb over Tim Duncan, beating the buzzer. Series over.
Then, in an anticlimatic finish, the Mavs lose in five to the Lakers after Kobe score 60 in a Game 4 win at the AAC.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Aug 4, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re wrong, but good luck anyway. :)
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Aug 4, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we land another quality guy...
like a tough defense-minded big or a versatile 2 guard
55-60 wins
by mg4tx on Aug 4, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
we won’t get that with what’s left on the market, unless we deal Josh.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Aug 5, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u can't compare a season to career numbers
usually, if a player, late in their career, have season stats similar to career stats, that implies that they have declined. It’s called balance. The career numbers are lower than their best seasons, and TD is nowhere near his best seasons.
I do believe Duncan is even MORE efficient now than he was in his best years.
And let’s not forget, while Duncan has declined, it’s from an extraordinarily level, one which Pau will never reach, as Gasol is approaching, if not already, at his peak.
In terms of careers, there’s NO DOUBT that Duncan is a better PF than Gasol. But last season, and next season, and the season beyond, I’d take Gasol over Duncan because of their current play.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 2, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
That was my point………..I guess.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense?
Gasol defense is better than any other front man on the Lakers. And considering the number of points given up by the Lakers in the paint last season and in the playoffs, Gasol is a main reason for that. Gasol also was one of only a few players capable of bothering Howard last playoffs.
Duncan is better at defense, but Gasol isn’t Big Z. Gasol is very effective at altering shots, and getting quite a few blocks of his own. Name one other big man in the league who can close out on a jump shooter and get the block from 10 feet away? I saw Gasol do that atleast 5 times in the playoffs alone.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 2, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than your Walton mancrush, we are starting to agree.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u know I like Vujacic and Farmar too?
how dare I as a Laker fan actually like the bench players? GASP!
Actually, I don’t like Powell at all. His scoring is nice, but the rest of his game blows.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
That’s like saying I’m not too big on oxygen or water, but cyanide is kinda nice. Which part of Vujacic’s game is appealing to you? The 3 point shove shot? Or is it the fouls 40 feet from the basket? Maybe the whining after EVERY whistle? Or could it be the decline in defensive intensity?
You crack me up Tandur.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Magic is the best player to play HIS position too, but what does that mean?
Does that make Magic better than TD? Or equal? I don’t know, but I don’t think you can say that if one guy is the best at his position then he is better than the second or third best player of another position (Kobe is 2nd best by the way, not third, and it’s not even close. Jerry West is 3rd, Ha Ha Ha)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW......
the 4 highest scorers in NBA history per minute are (in order):
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Not saying scoring is the only thing, but I find it interesting to note. (Especially West and Baylor considering they played most of their careers TOGETHER)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jordan also shot closed to 50% during his career, he would’ve if he didn’t decide to come back and play for the Wizards. Kobe is nowhere the efficient scorer Jordan was. People tend to forget the paltry percentages Kobe shot during his first few playoffs.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not arguing that at all..........
I am just saying it is interesting that when divided by minutes played the All time leaders list changes quite a bit. For the record Kobe, West, and Baylor are neck and neck, but Jordan is way ahead.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Kobe has actually logged more minutes than Timmeh. Even though Kobe is younger, and a guard instead of a post, there’s still a lot of mileage on those legs.
2. We definitely got more talented, now it’s a matter of getting all the new parts to mesh, which is imperative and not automatic. Plus, even with resigning Odom, I have to disagree with snpflr. The Lakers starting 5 might be better than the Spurs, but our bench will be better.
3. The Lakers were a talented team last year. However, they have two MAJOR issues going into next year: Will Bynum continue to improve and be worth his paycheck? And can Artest not disrupt the chemistry of the triangle while running around in his underwear?
I think both teams are about even, although injuries could always reek havoc on a roster. Right now, I think LA and SA will end up 1 and 2, with hopefully, an epic WCF battle.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And can Artest not disrupt the chemistry of the triangle while running around in his underwear?
GOL
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOL? Gagging out loud?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guffawing Out Loud
it’s a term used appropriately here at PtR, created by JRW.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary things for the Lakers.....
1. WWAD………….What will Artest do?
2. Bynum’s health
3. Where did Vujacic, Farmar, and Walton disappear to?
Scary things for the rest of the league….
1. We didn’t have Artest last year.
2. Bynum wasn’t right most of the year.
3. Vujacic, Farmar, and Walton all underperformed.
And we still won the Championship.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Farmar’s going to show up for you guys this year.
by Lauri on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. If his game was half as big as his attitude, he'd be Tony Parker.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I started reading your sentence I really thought you were gonna say “ears” instead of attitude.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 1, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't call him Ear Jordan for nothing.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhh, he can hear you. And the rumor mill says he holds a grudge.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 1, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
while I agree with all the points you stated, here’s my counter point.
The Spurs weren’t a healthy last year.
The Lakers barely scraped by a depleted Rockets team because of their lack of focus.
The Lakers had a great defender to put on Parker
The Lakers vs. Magic series was much more close than it appeared (two overtime games and a complete coaching blunder by Van Gundy)
The Magic made it to the finals thanks to a one dimensional team in the Cavs, and an injured team in the Celtics.
This season:
The spurs will start the season off healthy and hopefully continue to be healthy all season
The Spurs have added depth to their rotation and should be able to still be a good team in case of an injury because of their depth.
You can bet that Pop will make sure that by playoff time, the Spurs will be as focused as they can possibly be (and always be more focused than the Lakers).
Parker will be able to run circles around the Lakers now that they don’t have Ariza.
Pop is twice the coach that Van Gundy is so he won’t make the stupid mistakes Van Gundy did.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all I love posting here because I get great responses....thanks.
“The spurs will start the season off healthy and hopefully continue to be healthy all season
The Spurs have added depth to their rotation and should be able to still be a good team in case of an injury because of their depth.
You can bet that Pop will make sure that by playoff time, the Spurs will be as focused as they can possibly be (and always be more focused than the Lakers).
Parker will be able to run circles around the Lakers now that they don’t have Ariza.
Pop is twice the coach that Van Gundy is so he won’t make the stupid mistakes Van Gundy did.”
I agree with all of this except I don’t remember Ariza being a “great” defender on Tony Parker
“The Spurs weren’t a healthy last year.
The Lakers barely scraped by a depleted Rockets team because of their lack of focus.
The Lakers had a great defender to put on Parker
The Lakers vs. Magic series was much more close than it appeared (two overtime games and a complete coaching blunder by Van Gundy)
The Magic made it to the finals thanks to a one dimensional team in the Cavs, and an injured team in the Celtics.”
OK, here we have a few disagreements.
I still don’t know about the great defender on Parker, but maybe you can clarify.
The Finals could have been closer, but it could have also been a sweep. Also remember the entire Laker bench (except Odom) was atrocious for the entire playoffs.
Your last point is what we call revisionist history. Coming into the Finals the Magic were considered the team that was “playing the best” basketball at the time. Only after the Lakers beat them did everyone all of the sudden say that they weren’t that good, and by extension neither were the Cavs and Celtics.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember Ariza being a "great" defender on Tony Parker
Ariza is long and quick. His length most importantly is what was able to disrupt Parker when they he defended him. I think 95 percent of people here will agree with me about that issue. Since I think that that will still not be enough to convince you of it, I hope that at the very least, we can agree that Ariza was the best player that the Lakers could put to contain Parker. The next best person is Kobe, but Phil didn’t want Kobe to waste too much effort running around chasing Parker on defense. It’s best for the Lakers if Kobe saves his energy for offense since he’s the most vital part of your offense. With Ariza gone, the duties for Parker will probably go to Kobe. Artest, while an excellent defender against anyone in his prime, has certainly lost a step. He’s still able to defend stronger, power perimeter players, but quick point guards doesn’t seem possible at the moment. This will certainly create a match up problem with you because Fisher is in no way capable of guarding Parker because he’s lost about 3 steps with his age. I’ll let you decide how you’ll defend our line up and then point out any potential problems if any.
While it is true that Odom seemed to did a great job coming off the bench (i’ve always believed that the championship for LA is up to Odom), to say that the rest of the bench didn’t show up for the entire playoffs is a bit of a stretch. Brown played solid minutes behind Fisher during the Jazz series while guarding Williams. Once Fisher got ejected from the Rockets series, Farmar started playing not well, but formidable. And perhaps that most underrated bench player you guys had is Walton. Walton isn’t a lot of things, but he’s always consistent and does a lot of the little things that help a team. His passing is hugely undervalued and he gave good minutes even during against denver and in the finals. He won’t wow you, but as a bench player with limited minutes, he’ll never disappoint. That is why I don’t feel like saying that the entire Laker bench was atrocious throughout the whole playoffs is correct. (Vujajic was nowhere to be found, but despite being useless, I never question his desire and grit, just his mind. He’s probably the most scrappy and feisty player on the Lakers, but he’s dumb as hell sometimes, I still appreciate that though. But yeah, he performed a magic act during the post season).
Your last point, the Celtics weren’t considered a bad team by extension only after the Magic lost and people. The celtics were without KG, and everyone knew that you couldn’t judge them as a team without him. Yet, the Magic struggled to beat the Celtics, and began steam rolling during games 6 and 7 against the celtics. They were playing the best possible basketball they could. If it weren’t for a miracle 3 by LeBron that has been overblown as one of the greatest clutch shots ever, the Magic would’ve swept the Cavs. The Magic exposed the Cavs during that series, it was not after the Magic lost that the Lakers that people saw how vulnerable the Cavs were, it was as soon as the Magic beat them. So anyways, the Magic played their best possible basketball during games 6 and 7 against the Celtics, and during the Cavs series, that’s 7-8 games of playing to their potential. If you remember, the Cavs did that too with 8 great games against the Pistons and Hawks, before coming back down to earth also, but seeing how the Pistons and Hawks were much weaker teams, that doesn’t really count that much.
Now, if you think about the Lakers, their first series against Utah, they played well (as expected it’s an 8th seed), agaisnt the Rockets, atrocious, and against Denver, towards the end of that series, games 5 and 6 is when they started playing their best basketball, that momentum carried over to the Finals. So when you say that:
Coming into the Finals the Magic were considered the team that was "playing the best" basketball at the time.
it’s important to note that the Magic had already been playing their best basketball for 7-8 games. while the Lakers had just started playing their best basketball. Now, I’m not saying 7-8 games is the maximum amount of games that a team can play to it’s potential, but it’s really difficult to keep that up and your performance is bound to slip sooner or later, while the Lakers momentum was still on the rise. My second argument for this is that the Lakers playing to their potential will beat out the Magic playing to their potential any day of the week.
So, it was a combination of the Lakers just being more talented, and peaking at the correct time, while the Magic already had peaked and had nowhere else to go but down. The decision to bring back Nelson for so many minutes didn’t help either, but that’s another story.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh gosh, this looks intimidating, I hope LatinD doesn’t scold me.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don’t watch many Spurs games, and I am sure you don’t watch many Laker games (more on that later) so we may both be right or wrong here. I think Artest can guard Kobe’s guy and Kobe can guard Parker and solve that problem. However maybe we do what we do with N.O. and just let the PG do his thing.
I am in a bit of a minority here (and at SSandR), but I think Artest will easily be an upgrade over Ariza on both ends of the court (crazy pills notwithstanding). Most people (non-Laker fans) only remember the 2009 playoff version of Ariza and are overrating his game. In truth, Artest is, and always has been, the better player on both ends. The defensive differences are much bigger than you would think. I also see Artest keeping his crazy pills in the cabinet on this team with so many people he respects around (Kobe, LO, Phil Jackson, etc.).
Unfortunately we just waived the only player who could easily guard Parker……………Sun Yue (the Chinese Magic Johnson). LOL
From someone who watched EVERY Laker game during the season and the playoffs, let me tell you about our bench. Everyone on the bench had a good game here and there and probably made SportsCenter. However as a group they were atrocious throughout the playoffs. For the record I am excluding Lamar Odom from the bench stats considering he played the 3rd most minutes on the team in the playoffs (see Ginobili, Manu). As an example the Laker bench had a shooting percentage of 35.1% for the ENTIRE playoffs. Our best bench player was Shannon Brown and he played 13.1 MPG, shot 43%, and scored a whopping 4.9 PPG.
"And perhaps that most underrated bench player you guys had is Walton. Walton isn’t a lot of things, but he’s always consistent and does a lot of the little things that help a team."
That sound you just heard was the entire Laker nation trying to suppress uncontrollable laughter. Please trade us anyone you have for Walton. Anyone. Seriously. Not trying to pick on you, but it’s true.
I asked rival fans on various teams this question sometime last year;
Does your favorite team have a player that most of your fans can’t stand, but other teams fans and the media seem to think is great? Our guy is Luke Walton. We cringe when he hits the floor. Occasionally he hits a 3, or makes a cool pass, but day in and day out he is AWFUL. He had a couple of good games late in the playoffs, but out of the roughly 105 games we played last year he had about 5 good ones. Really.
Since I asked, who is your guy? I would guess maybe Michael Finley, but it is just a guess based on previous comments I have seen here.
"Vujajic was nowhere to be found, but despite being useless, I never question his desire and grit, just his mind. He’s probably the most scrappy and feisty player on the Lakers, but he’s dumb as hell sometimes."
Other than the word "sometimes", I agree with you completely here.
As far as the Celtics, Cavs, and Magic stuff, there is really no way to know whether the Lakers were underrated of the Magic were overrated. I do take issue with one thing though (this is a Laker vs. Celtics issue). I don’t want to hear any crap about KG being injured. Every Celtics fan in America last year said Bynum and Ariza being injured didn’t matter and we still would have lost. So if we can’t use our injuries as an excuse then neither can they. (Like I said that is between Lakers and Celtics, but it HAD to be said, LOL).
It seemed like every team we faced last year in the playoffs was considered good until they lost to the Lakers (well not counting Houston after Yao went down). After they lost suddenly everyone says they must not have been very good. No one says the Lakers must have been better than we thought.
In my asshole Laker fan humble opinion the only team that could beat the Lakers last year was the Lakers. When they played with purpose they usually destroyed the other team. I am actually glad you guys improved quite a bit in this offseason because as far as I am concerned a championship isn’t a championship unless it goes through San Antonio. Beating Orlando last year instead of Cleveland or Boston was like kissing my sister. OK, I don’t have a sister, but whatever.
I guess my post looks intimidating too, but no sweat. It’s not the size, but how you use it………..at least that’s what I tell my wife.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW. Nice Keystone hat......
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit, those are some nice wall-of-text responses there. I wonder what they say.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 1, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone please read TLO’s and ps’s posts and tell me if they’re worth it… :)
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Aug 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read them, and they are at least as good as the book you’re in the middle of.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reading “El Libro de Manuel” (“Manuel’s Book”), by Cortázar. Kicks ass. Recommended, if you’re a lefty with some insight into the 70s youth movement in France.
My favorite Argentine author. Is he known in the States at all? Or Borges?
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Aug 2, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefty???
You’re no longer my favorite PTR guy.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you live on Orange County by any chance?
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 2, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually No..... Us righties are everywhere.
Palm Springs……….hence the PS in pslakerfan.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose you are in San Francisco?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, San Fernando Valley, A.K.A " Porn Valley". I went to Palm Springs once, hot as freaking hell.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 2, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's been about 112-115 for about....
3 or 4 weeks straight. You get used to it. Do you get used to the porn?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I laugh at your low temperatures.
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Aug 2, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do, in fact. During Thanksgiving we usually watch Jenna Jameson Greatest Scenes, it has become a family tradition.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 2, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn....
We have so much in common. Actually Ron Jeremy’s Christmas Special is a classic.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, ps, being a “lefty” in South America is far worse than being one in the US. :)
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Aug 2, 2009 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes certainly, one of the reasons why I had to leave south america.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t know you were from there — where’s you grow up?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I was born and lived in new york my first two years, then LA for my next two. then back to NY for 1 year. Then moved to Bolivia for 2 years. Then back to NY for 4 years. Then in Bolivia for 2 years. Then stayed in NY since then for 8 years… mostly.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you one of those NY people who always go on about the " energy of the city"? God I hate that shit. Oh, it’s not that we’re packed like sardines and the streets smell, it’s the energy of the city!
Oh, you should check out this blog by the way, bet you’ll find lots of places you didn’t even know about:
http://www.scoutingny.com/
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 2, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t live in Manhattan, I live in Queens, but I do visit the city often. I like it, and love some of the crazies there, but I run into nuts all the time wherever I go (SUNY Binghamton for college). I do appreciate that (because of the population) you just run into more nutty people more often in New York, specially during the times when I hang out (early sunday morning trips back home are always the best).
That’s a cool site, I wanna check out the Atlantic Beach, and as much as I love that sign-eating tree, I don’t think i’ll go all the way over there just to see it in person, but I might one day if I feel spontaneous enough, who knows.
No, I don’t go on about the energy of the city, that’s really annoying.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you one of those NY people who always go on about the " energy of the city"?
No, I don’t go on about the energy of the city, that’s really annoying.
That’s because you squirts are too young to have lived there in the mid-80s when it still really DID have a special energy and Times Square hadn’t been turned into a Disney theme park, and they still showed old movies at the Regency, and Sweet Basil and CBGB’s were still open. I moved up there not knowing a soul, and it was the happiest time of my life.
Tsk. So young, and yet so cynical, you lot!
WWTD?
by Lauri on Aug 2, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man these last 3 posts remind me why I am glad to be from California.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool...
Just noticed your post here and wanted to chime in.
I was born and raised in southern Ca, but I spent 5 years in NYC while getting my bachelors and masters. I also lived in Bolivia for 2 years when I was very young, and I go to visit there at least once every couple years. (My mother is from Cochabamba).
Anyway, just thought it was kinda cool to meet someone who has spent their entire lives in the exact same places I have.
by RCollier27 on Aug 3, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, there aren’t as many Bolivians here in the states as much as other latin countries. Nice to see others. My father is from La Paz but I did visit Cochabamba before, beautiful city.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Definitely not a lot of Bolivians in these here parts. Nice to meet you. I have some cousins in La Paz and I’ve been there to visit, but man, that elevation takes some getting used to.
Even though you’re a spurs fan and I’m a Laker fan, I’m sure we can still get along. :-)
Actually I have no animosity towards the Spurs at all. I’ve always thought they were a classy organization and I’ve rooted for them in the past when the Lakers have been eliminated. Anyway, here’s to a healthy season.
by RCollier27 on Aug 3, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The elevation does take about 2 weeks to get used to. I got really sick every time my first week there.
Nice to meet you too, i know we can get along.
I also root for the lakers, but only after the spurs and rockets are eliminated.
Yes, please, to a healthy season.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I saw today that Chavez shut down all “non-socialist” radio stations. Classy.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’m not a fan of Chávez, but his political enemies are pretty bad themselves. It’s a consequence of a history of military coups (many of them encouraged, founded and organized by the US). Opinions are radicalized, and violence is always quick to be used.
What’s needed is a democratic tradition, and the only way to achieve that is strive for stability in the region.
I don’t mind discussing this, ps, but maybe we should take it to private e-mails? I was originally talking about Cortázar, who really is an amazing writer – if you haven’t read “Rayuela” (“Hopscotch”) you really should… :)
But seriously, latin_d@gavnet.com.ar, and we can Chávez the night away. Love you in a manly way.
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by LatinD on Aug 2, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to think about that one....
Once I get going, I find it hard to stop.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading? Or arguing? Because if it’s reading, I totally understand that feeling… There’s nothing quite like finding a good book you can’t put down.
If it’s arguing, I give up pretty quickly. :)
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by LatinD on Aug 2, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem....
when I start, I don’t give up. That’s why I don’t want to start. Arguing that is, I love to read.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's more typing than I did in college.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will respond soon, unfortunately it’s saturday, and you’re keystone comment read my mind. Haha, thanks, you’re welcome to friend me if you please. Your response will come, but for now, and for the most part I agree with your statements.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 1, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, I call the ’00’s the zips. it’s quick to say and makes you sound kinda cool and only sometimes kinda jerky, but as a Laker fan, i’m sure you’ll have no problem with the latter. =] <- (that means friendly joke)
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bite me
=] <-
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The i’m-just-joking/i-can-be-an-ass smiley is a success. :)
Seriously, ps, you’re still my favorite Lakers fan. Sorry, olf.
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by LatinD on Aug 1, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that a lot..... =-)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t take me for granted, mister!
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by LatinD on Aug 2, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, olf — for what it’s worth, you’re my favorite Lakers fan.
Well, second-favorite. But you’re ahead of ps!
by Lauri on Aug 2, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Lauri. I always enjoy reading your amusing posts.
Although you did start to piss me off when you started saying my almost favorite, and now former Laker (Ariza) would look good in Silver & Black. But I’m over that now.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Aug 2, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone looks good in silver and black. The benefit of having the coolest team colors (or lack there of).
by BlaseE on Aug 3, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. It takes a certain flair to rock the purple & gold properly.

Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Aug 3, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for thinking of me LD but you go and enjoy all the Laker fans you want. No problemo mi amigo.
Haters beware: Kobe's drive for 5 starts now!-SLAM Magazine
by olf on Aug 2, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignore pslakerfan about Walton
he’s a Luke hater. There’s actually ALOT of Walton lovers in LaLaLand. We recognize Walton’s consistency and blue collar work.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 2, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you love Walton. You're a Spurs fan...........
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at that
shows how much u know!
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only in PtR are we shrewd enough to get Laker fans to begin arguing against each other for an easier execution of them. =]
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We bend.
But we don’t break. See ya in late May.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I know you are Laker fan.........
You have been around SSandR as long as I have. I guess it was my poor attempt at sarcasm.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never can tell
people often confuse my favorites. Is it safe to admit I’m a closet Spurs fan since my childhood growing up there? Always liked the Lakers tho.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I knew you were a bit of a Spurs fan because you are here alot.
However I have seen your profile and know you say Lakers are your team. Either way our bench sucks……….or I guess I should say sucked. Hopefully they improve this year. Don’t want to sound like a pessimist.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a consistent, blue collar worker too. But I suck at basketball just like Luke.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOL
I know I don’t have a horse in this race, but I sure am enjoying you guys fight it out over Walton. Much more fun than seeing a couple of PtR guys discuss whether Finley is a fully dessicated corpse, or whether he’s merely in the beginnings of rigor mortis.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that answers my question from above.....
“Does your favorite team have a player that most of your fans can’t stand, but other teams fans and the media seem to think is great? Our guy is Luke Walton. We cringe when he hits the floor. Occasionally he hits a 3, or makes a cool pass, but day in and day out he is AWFUL. He had a couple of good games late in the playoffs, but out of the roughly 105 games we played last year he had about 5 good ones. Really.”
“Since I asked, who is your guy? I would guess maybe Michael Finley, but it is just a guess based on previous comments I have seen here.”
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charley Rosen really likes Walton, he says he’s one of the players in the Lakers that best understands the triangle offense.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Aug 2, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosen also said:
A note to long-suffering Cavaliers’ fans: Don’t get caught up in the LeBron James pipe dream. The best King James can ever be is an average NBA player.
and said recently that Chris Paul was overrated
by shoothoop on Aug 2, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's kinda my point....
The media loves him, but not many others do.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Artest can guard Kobe’s guy and Kobe can guard Parker and solve that problem.
it wouldn’t help you guys because that would leave Fisher trying to guard Richard Jefferson. Jefferson is both so much stronger and faster than Fisher (not to mention much taller). This will allow Jefferson to go off and will not be good to you guys. Of course, if kobe guards parker and Artest guards Jefferson, Manu will take Fisher to school once again (start at the 1:10 mark). It’s also important to note that Fisher will be 3 years older from the last time he had to guard Manu in the playoffs in 07. Manu is also 3 years older, but not as much as Fisher since he hasn’t played nearly as much and has just been resting or recuperating for the past 2 years (he’ll be fresher). I think what you mentioned about implicating the same strategy as in N.O. will have to be the best strategy for you guys. Let Parker have his, and focus on locking down the other guys. this worked for the Mavs, but we also didn’t have RJ and Manu, so we’ll see how it works. Besides, after Chris Paul, there’s really no other threats in the Hornets after West, everyone else feeds off of Chris Paul. That is not that case with SA. If you make the terrible comparison of trying to shut down West as being equivalent to shutting down Duncan, I’ll give that to you, you still have to worry about Manu and RJ, N.O. doesn’t have players like that, only two players to contain that can get their own. SA now has 4. it’ll be much harder.
I agree with you that Artest will be a better defender than Trevor, but it seems to me that the Lakers have geared up mostly to defend their chances in the Finals against an East team, and have counted San Antonio out. Artest is better at guarding Pierce and Lebron, but not Manu or Parker (he is at guarding Jefferson though). At offense is the place where I think he’ll be at the very least detrimental to your team. Kobe, Pau, and Odom, those are your 3 offensive options last year in order, for the Lakers. And for good reason too. Trevor was 4th at most, even though he’s not capable of getting his own offense. Artest will disrupt that and try to be 3rd. making Odom 4th and having him sulk throughout games. Artest will be better at knocking down open 3’s, something Ariza was known to do. But, something Ariza was also known to do was not shoot contested 3’s and disrupt that flow of the offense. That is something I see Artest doing, and Kobe getting mad at him for. I do think that Artest will be kept in check throughout the year. It’s just his disruptive influence on the offensive end where I see him hurting the Lakers more.
Chinese Magic Johnson, haha, I could definitely see that comparison.
Concerning Walton, I wasn’t aware that he was so disliked by many Lakers fans. From what Tandur pointed out, he is liked by few, if not more LA fans, so we’ll just agree to disagree. I thought he was always solid, not a starter but a decent bench player. As far as your bench, I agree with you that the bench underperformed, specially when compared to the 08 bench mob you guys had. Your bench will never be as good as it was during 08, but you mentioned how every bench player had a good game here and there, and I think that’s what you should expect from your bench. As long as you’re getting a good performance from a player in the bench, for a game here, and from another for a game there, you can’t really ask for more. There’s a reason they’re on the bench (inconsistency), and not starters. Again, I agree that your bench underperformed, but I think you’re holding the standard for a bench to the 08 bench you had in which they were firing on all cylinders, and that’s a lot to ask for.
I don’t not like Michael Finley, I acknowledge his deficiencies (rotting corpse) but the man is an assassin. I would not mind seeing him be a back up to RJ although I would prefer Hairston to do that. What would be ideal for me is for him to come in for plays in which we need a 3 at the end of any period or game (I hope the NBA would allow a shooters practice area kinda like how in the MLB there’s a pitcher’s cage for them to warm up and be inserted into the game with a rhythm).
I said possibly with Sacha because I wanted to be nice, but he really is dumb as hell all the time.
If I were you, I would blame not winning the 08 chip to the celtics because of injuries. if i were a celtics fan, I would blame not winning the 09 chip because of injuries. Of course, this is because I’m a spurs fan, and I blame almost every year that we don’t win a chip because of injuries. SA goes through this every year, and most fans know that we when healthy we always have a good chance at a title. You can’t tell us that we can’t that we can’t blame not winning chips on injuries, it’s in our ankles/knees blood.
After they lost suddenly everyone says they must not have been very good. No one says the Lakers must have been better than we thought.
That’s because everyone already thinks beforehand that the Lakers are a great team. The Lakers are way too talented, and people judge them based on talent, expecting them to be play to their potential. But the Lakers never do because their main obstacle is themselves. So when a series is dragged out to longer than expected, people will always point out, with good reason, “wow the Lakers aren’t as good of a team as I thought, they should’ve beaten this team handily” instead of “the lakers must have been better than we thought”. People already expect them to be as good as possible, but the Lakers always disappoint. Kinda like a genius kid that doesn’t study or go to class throughout a semester, and passes with a C-. They get by through talent alone. Occasionally during the a tight fourth quarter or a game 7 will the kid pick up a book and begin studying his ass off. After they win every series, people always pick the Lakers to win the next one by saying “I think the Lakers finally get it, they showed in that last game that they’ve gotten focused and are just beginning to tap into their potential” but the Lakers prove them wrong all the time. This is why people never say that the Lakers must be better than we thought, because they’re not. At least not as good as they should be on paper.
Granted, it will be an epic series if we meet.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
summary for lazy people:
-Spurs pose several mismatches for Lakers. They’re best strategy will be to let Parker get his, but still we have too many weapons for them to try to contain.
-Artest will disrupt the offense more than Ariza. In defense, he’ll be better against East teams, but not SA.
-Laker bench is certainly not as good as 2 seasons ago, but still a decent bench.
-Finley is a useful rotting corpse.
-Sacha dumb
-Spurs fans love blaming not getting a title because of injuries for good reason.
-Lakers never play to their potentials and that is why they are never as good as people think.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, why couldn’t I just write that before.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch what happens when I switch the teams
-Lakers pose several mismatches for Spurs. Their best strategy will be to let Kobe get his, but still we have too many weapons for them to try to contain.
It sounds just as good my way, LOL. I guess that’s why they play the games.
“I agree with you that Artest will be a better defender than Trevor, but it seems to me that the Lakers have geared up mostly to defend their chances in the Finals against an East team, and have counted San Antonio out.”
Sorry, but I don’t get this part at all. What do you mean geared up for an Eastern team? We have almost exactly the same team this year as last year. Didn’t we do OK against the West last year? Also, who on the Lakers has said they have counted SA out?
“-Laker bench is certainly not as good as 2 seasons ago, but still a decent bench.”
Take out Odom and I would say that decent is a big stretch, but we can agree to disagree here. (Tandur doesn’t represent most Laker fans views of Walton at all)
“-Lakers never play to their potentials and that is why they are never as good as people think.”
I can show you 15 banners that say otherwise =-)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you can change it around and the Spurs have lots of mismatches against the Lakers but the most important one for me is Odom. Anyways, this is what will make it a good series if we meet.
Perhaps geared up was not the right word. What I meant to say was that LA sacrificed a good defensive player against the Spurs in exchange for a good defensive player against the Cavs or the Celtics. In doing so, they have changed their priorities and focused more on beating a team in the Finals instead of getting there. You guys did do well last year in the West, but SA has improved so much from the team that played in last season’s playoffs and I’m sure LA at the very least will struggle against us.
Take out Kobe and the Lakers an average team. Why I am taking out Kobe? He’s part of the damn team! Why are you taking out Odom from the bench analysis, he’s part of the bench. Manu is part of the Spurs bench, he was put there to make the bench better, without him, the bench won’t be as good! Same thing with Odom, don’t exclude him from where he is.
15 banners, I thought we were talking about the last 2 seasons. Quite frankly, if you wanted to argue about all of the NBA’s history, I have neither the effort, nor knowledge to do so.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Testy, testy.
"-Lakers never play to their potentials and that is why they are never as good as people think."
Never? I guess it didn’t look like you meant the last 2 years.
I took out Odom because that has always been the point that I am making. My point here has always been that other than Odom our bench was atrocious.
I guess I see your point about Ariza vs. Artest. Artest being more of a bruiser (East) and Ariza being quicker and more athletic (West). I just don’t think the difference between the two makes us that much different.
Here’s a new argument. Is Richard Jefferson overrated? I think so.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every NBA player not named Timmeh, Manu or Tony is overrated! ; )
And yes, Jefferson is overrated and overpaid relatively speaking. However, if you’re talking about improvement, you do know who our starting SF was last year? Right?
And I agree, other than Odom, your bench sucked, including Walton.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Aug 2, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine, other than Odom, your bench play was poor last year. I won’t say atrocious because there are a lot of NBA teams that have an atrocious bench and the Lakers aren’t one of them (excluding Odom).
I shouldn’t have said never, just in the last two years.
I agree the difference is not that much although there is a difference.
Yes, Jefferson is overrated. As caphill said, the upgrade is huge though.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
counter point(s)
The Lakers had a great defender to put on Parker
Defeating San Antonio wasn’t an issue for the Lakers winning the championship, so having a great defender against Parker is irrelevant. The Lakers defeated the Spurs in 2008 who were without Ginobili, while the Lakers did not have Ariza, or Bynum. So again, irrelevant.
The spurs will start the season off healthy and hopefully continue to be healthy all season
The Spurs have added depth to their rotation and should be able to still be a good team in case of an injury because of their depth.
The Lakers were not fully healthy last season as well. There’s Bynum, of course, but for a time the Lakers also spent time without Farmar (before Brown showed up, leaving the team with only 1 PG, Fisher.), Luke Walton, and Sasha Vujacic. And there’s also the long standing injury to Kobe’s torn ligament.
You can bet that Pop will make sure that by playoff time, the Spurs will be as focused as they can possibly be (and always be more focused than the Lakers).
Phil Jackson is 18-8 versus Pop in playoff games (4-1 in the series matchup), so if any team is more “focused”, I’m gonna say it’s the Lakers.
Parker will be able to run circles around the Lakers now that they don’t have Ariza.
See the 2008 Western Conference Finals. No Ariza. Or better yet, how about any series that the Lakers have played against Parker, or any other speedy point guard. They might give us troubles, but speedsters don’t control the paint, and that’s always been LA’s key to victory under Phil.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 2, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit, I was unaware that it would be 2 against 1, but I have half as much of a life as you guys, so i’m up for the challenge.
The Lakers defeated the Spurs in 2008 who were without Ginobili, while the Lakers did not have Ariza, or Bynum. So again, irrelevant.
Bynum and Ariza do not equal the impact that a Ginobili has on the Spurs. If you’re saying that them being absent for the Lakers is equivalent to Ginobili being absent for the Spurs, then you know nothing about Spurs basketball. Try winning without Gasol, Ginobili is still more important than that. Besides when healthy, Ariza didn’t even receive meaningful minutes during 08, neither did Bynum.
The Lakers were not fully healthy last season as well. There’s Bynum, of course, but for a time the Lakers also spent time without Farmar (before Brown showed up, leaving the team with only 1 PG, Fisher.), Luke Walton, and Sasha Vujacic.
I’m sorry if I confused you by saying that I hope the Spurs will continue to be healthy throughout the whole season. I meant post season included, and should’ve wrote that. If anything, as long as we’re healthy during the post season, I could care less how many injuries we having during the season. Spurs fans don’t care about the regular season as much, so to complain about having injuries to players during the regular season is just being a baby in my opinion, try having your star players injured during the postseason and then we can talk more about that.
Phil Jackson is 18-8 versus Pop in playoff games (4-1 in the series matchup), so if any team is more "focused", I’m gonna say it’s the Lakers.
I would like to see the record for when both teams were healthy (either during the playoffs or regular season, but even without the injury asterisk, I still can’t agree with you. I’m sorry, but focus is just something that the spurs team have more as a whole, than the Lakers team as a whole.
They might give us troubles, but speedsters don’t control the paint, and that’s always been LA’s key to victory under Phil.
Agreed, the pain is the key to victories. But seriously, try controlling the paint with the red rocket being your starting center for the whole season/post season, you won’t be able to. We’ll have Saint Antonio this year and the improvement will be 3 fold when establishing paint dominance. That is just something we’ll have to see though.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too lazy to write summary, sorry.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too lazy to respond as well, but I will say this............
I hope we get to play in the WCF with all players healthy. Then the Lakers one of us can finally claim true dominance.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and finally, a one line response. I feel naked.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
“The Lakers defeated the Spurs in 2008 who were without Ginobili, while the Lakers did not have Ariza, or Bynum. So again, irrelevant.”
Bynum and Ariza do not equal the impact that a Ginobili has on the Spurs. If you’re saying that them being absent for the Lakers is equivalent to Ginobili being absent for the Spurs, then you know nothing about Spurs basketball. Try winning without Gasol, Ginobili is still more important than that. Besides when healthy, Ariza didn’t even receive meaningful minutes during 08, neither did Bynum
The point I made was about what you said here:
The Lakers had a great defender to put on Parker
You totally avoided the point, and went instead into typical Spurs diatriabe about how health cost the Spurs. We were talking about Tony Parker. While any mention of the 08 WCF seems to always degenerate into “We didn’t have Manu,” that’s not what we were talking about. You said that having Ariza made the Lakers better than Spurs in that TP could be contained. I countered that having Ariza made no difference, because it never was a factor. The two teams didn’t meet in the 09 playoffs, and when they did in the 08 playoffs, it was Fisher, Farmar, Vujacic, Kobe, and Odom at times defending Parker. And all of those players are back. So forget about Ariza. Most of us are already in the process of doing so.
And I’ll get back to you on Phil’s record against Pop since coming to Los Angeles. And once again, I’m going to ignore “if both teams were healthy…” bit, because this is professional sports, and injuries are both part of the game, and convenient excuses.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck!! I had a response almost ready to post but firefox kicked me out for some stupid error!! I shall type it again though, at least what I can remember of it,
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right. The Lakers did not have Ariza during the 08 postseason. therefore they did not have a capable defender agaisnt parker during that time. I’m sorry if I strayed off, but I did not understand your point. My point is still valid however because Ariza was a great defender for the Lakers against Parker during the 09 regular season. I was trying to mention how the Lakers lost that, and on top of that, even though you were without Ariza and Bynum, we were without Manu. Another thing that I must also mention if we’re talking about the 08 playoffs, is that Parker has gotten better. Last year he just started hitting some 3’s every once in a while, and hitting the midrange consistently. So basically, while I agree with you that the Lakers didn’t have a capable defender against Parker in the 08 postseason, I’m also adding that we didn’t have Manu and that Parker got so much better.
As far as injries. if regular person asked me “who won the title last year?” I’ll say “the Lakers” and nothing else, I won’t even mention injuries to other teams or anything like that. If an NBA knowledgeable person asks me the same question, I’ll include the things other than the Lakers that helped the Lakers route to a championship such as Van Gundy’s terrible coaching deciion, Cavs on dimensionality, Celtics injury, Spurs injury, etc. If the same person asked me about the 08 title, i’ll mention that the Lakers didn’t have Ariza or Bynum who would’ve been a good body to throw at Perkins to help the Lakers, I would also mention Manu’s injury. Injuries have always been an important piece to winning a championship if you’re a spurs fan. I still don’t believe that the Spurs will win it all unless they get lucky because they’re old and injury prone. Sure, in professional sports injuries are part of the game, but true sports fans acknowledge that it takes more than just being a good team to win a title, it takes luck, and injuries are mostly about luck.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil vs. Popp (LA vs. SA)
Ok, so since 2000-01, when Phil arrived in Los Angeles, here’s the head-to-head records.
Regular Season: 16-18
Playoffs: 18-8
Combined: 34-26
That implies to me that the Lakers are better prepared, and more focused, when it really counts. It should also be noted that the first go around, Phil’s Lakers were much like the Spurs, and often coasted through the regular season, some of which can be blamed on Shaq. Since Phil’s return post-Shaq, the Lakers and Spurs have split 14 regular season games between them, while SA held the edge during the Shaq era, 9-11.
Finally, a little bit more. Here’s the records of the teams versus each other in years when Phil was not the coach of the Lakers, but since Duncan was drafted by SA. This will be from 97-98 to 99-00, and 04-05.
Regular Season: 7-8
Playoffs: 0-4
Combined: 7-12
And here’s the grand totals, Phil or not, since Duncan arrived:
Regular Season: 23-26
Playoffs: 18-12 (4-2 in playoff series won)
Combined: 41-38
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but I’ll better believe your stats when it includes when both teams were healthy. Call it a convenient excuse all you want, but when I get sick on the day of a test, any person who takes that test is going to get a better grade than me. I will then have a chance to take the test, but only when I’m healthy. Regardless, this doesn’t point out to me that the Lakers are more focused, just more talented with the players that they had available at the time. Take the Rockets series for example, the Lakers were 4 and 3 agains them. Does this point out that the Lakers were more focused than the rockets throughout the entire series? Hahaha, of course not, just that they won from the talent that they had on the floor alone. Talent on the floor is so much more important in the NBA than in other sports.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i give up
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to sound obnoxious. As LatinD likes to put it, I was heavily medicated through most of it. I did agree with you for the most part though, I just kept trying to pull it slightly towards a (spurs are better) side.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 3, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so....
If the Lakers are a mediocre, uninspired team capable of winning the championship, then what were the Spurs in 2008 when they got beat by a worse Lakers squad, and both teams missing a major minute player?
In other words, if the Lakers are so bad, how come San Antonio couldn’t beat them missing only one key player? Maybe that means the Spurs aren’t as good as you believe?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He prolly means that we were playing too many old guys that post-season. Because I know that he can’t be meaning that the no-call on Barry was a root of that loss you mention.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 1, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I see and agree with a point or two of your reply sir but.......
L.A. s 65 wins including 2 easy victories over a healthy Spurs squad and one last second loss to S.A. due to a Roger Mason prayer and ref foul call with no time on the clock means that L.A was the “unispired mediocre team?” Not seeing that one.
R.J. played for a VERY uninspired mediocre team last year, and for that matter he has played for mediocre teams all his career and in the Eastern Conference which as any NBA fan knows is NOT as good as the Western top to bottom and hasn’t been most of the last decade save for one or two teams each year at best. YES he can score, but I wonder how he will be against Artest or Kobe on him for entire game? And we can stop with the “he’s not that bad at defense” baloney I’m reading. Check his career defensive stats, not just one season’s worth. He will have 30 point nights with that outside J for sure, but he’ll give up that many to Kobe too if he has to guard him major minutes. Additionally, he’s not going to just weave his way to the hoop easily with L.A.s front line who cause problems for any player trying to score down low including Timmy of the last 2 years (especially when a healthy Bynum is guarding #21).
I’ll agree that maybe I understated RJ being a slight improvement, as for the Suns’ Jazzes, Clippers’ etc… of the league it is a big improvement. I should have posted RJ is a slight improvement when comparing both L.A. and S.A.‘s current roster’s possible matchups for the upcoming season. Regardless, I am praying for a healthy Spurs and Boston roster as well as L.A.‘s so if/when L.A. plays these teams and defeats them in the playoffs and Championship we won’t have to hear and read the constant “injury card” excuses from Boston and S.A. Spurs fans should understand, people still bash their first strike season shortened championship and dismiss it. I on the other hand do not as my feeling is every team had the same amount of games to play so it was fair. Of course would have been interesting and more competitive if Ewing hadn’t missed the Championship I’m sure.
by snpflr on Jul 31, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Spurs fans think that RJ is a big improvement when you consider both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. He’s not a “Bruce Bowen in his prime” defensive presence, but he’s also not going to have to be the 1, 2 or 3 option on the offensive end. And I’m fine with letting Kobe get his and cracking down defensively on the rest of the Lakers, which should be possible with the current roster. Health came more into play for the Spurs last year than this year – as with the Lakers and Bynum’s injury. The Celtics can claim the same thing this year. It doesn’t discount from the Lakers Championship. Any team that makes it through the grind of the playoffs in any sport (whether it’s a shortened season or not) deserves the win. I think the disagreement comes down to next year’s rosters. We (Spurs fans) don’t believe that Crazy Pills can behave for the whole year, and you (Lakers fans) don’t believe that our roster has improved enough to challenge yours. I think I’m right – but we’ll see next spring!
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh??..... (in my best AFLAC duck impersonation)
Let Kobe get his and crack down defensively against Odom, Pau, Artest, and Bynum? That strategy was brilliant in 2004-2007, but now it’s called suicide.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jul 31, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can still be effective, but no other team has the personnel to pull it off, excepting maybe Portland.
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland is an enigma. They seem to be better than a lot of teams on paper, but....
It doesn’t translate on the court. Youth? Chemistry? Who knows?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you Kobe and Pau, but I’m not a believer in Artest, and Bynum hasn’t yet proved that he can contribute night in and night out. Guess we’ll have to disagree.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take away the antics and Artest has consistently been much better than Ariza.
I loved Ariza, and he had a GREAT playoffs, but he has never been better than Artest in almost every facet of the game other than Athleticism.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the "take away the antics"
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed that, but that is like saying “not counting his pick and roll defense, Shaq has proven to be a great defender.” You can’t separate the two. Ariza was a great team player for the Lakers and they more or less traded him for an egomaniac. Artest will get bored playing with Kobe and ask to take time off to do another rap album.
by BlaseE on Aug 2, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to throw a “count on it” in there?
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will count on the fact that he won't.
Besides being older and wiser, he is on a shorter leash, and is surrounded by better influences now. Not to mention people he respects like Kobe, LO, and Phil Jackson.
I am not saying it is impossible, just that it is less likely with the Lakers than anywhere else.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “count on it” was a reference to this recent exchange between another LA fan and me.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, OK
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you can separate the two.
One is on the court and one is off the court. Shaq’s troubles are with his ability on the court. Artest’s issues are off the court (sometimes not too far off the court).
What I mean is that most people say he is a great teammate. Other than a higher than average number of technicals he has done nothing on the court in the last few years that is any worse than most other players.
Your Shaq example just isn’t a good analogy.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Artest is as good as the average player at separating off the court and on the court. If I played with Artest or any player, I wouldn’t say he was a bad teammate even if he was. I think there is unspoken rule about that. He has never played with Shaq, so we don’t know how good of a teammate he really is….
by BlaseE on Aug 2, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone that plays with Shaq is a bad teammate....
Wait till he leaves Cleveland. LeBron will be the anti-christ.
The big bridge-burner strikes again.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the way the media views each LeBron and Shaq after The Cleveland Experiment ends badly.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 2, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, something we can all agree on. How does having Snaq clog up the lane help LeBron, when finishing at the rim is one of his strong points? Unless LeBron suddenly stumbles upon an outside shot.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
by CapHill on Aug 2, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did he trash Phoenix?
not sure if he did. If so, it’d be a first.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 2, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He trashed Phoenix while he was here, endearing himself to the locals. Not sure about what’s happened wince he got traded away, though.
Re-sign Bruce Bowen!
by Tim C. on Aug 2, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him trashing someone would be a first???
Either that is a joke or I am missing the point.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 2, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it as a joke. but I do usually miss points around here. but still it had to be a joke.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Aug 2, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually its just Pau. Crack down defensively on Pau and its more than an even game from there.
Bynum, who gives a quack, unless he kills one of our players with his gorilla sort of intentional foul hug.
Odom, as long as he isn’t going for 30pts, its cool.
Lol, and Artest, well, who can say anything bad about him. He is a good guy :)
by LionZion on Aug 1, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES he can score, but I wonder how he will be against Artest or Kobe on him for entire game?
If Artest or Kobe has to guard him the entire game then he is already a huge improvement. No one had to guard Bowen unless he moved to the corner for a 3. That is one less good defender on Tony, Manu, Mason, Finley, or even Hairston and those guys can all score.
Also, I’m saying injuries contributed to our failure last year, but we had a weak rotation and a front court that couldn’t block or get an offensive rebound. That was a bigger factor in our demise. We have addressed those needs along with getting a potent 4th and 5th scoring option.
by BlaseE on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
The “Kobe Doin Work” video by Spike Lee was shot at the end of the 2007-08 season, after the Gasol trade. It was not filmed this past season, which was the 08-09 season.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Jul 31, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love these lakers-spurs threads
Ok let me give my opinion
If the Spurs are healthy they are going to win. Every time the spurs are healthy during the post season they win.
Lets go back to the last time these two teams meet in the playoff
The lakers beat us in 5 games, but lets take a closer look. The Spurs blew game 1and Joey Crawford had his vengeance in game 4, that series could had been 3-2 spurs easily. Ginobili clearly was not healthy, he played like crap 4 of the 5 games. Also the spurs were tired because of the series with the hornets, basically the spurs were running on fumes in games 5.
by spursfan87 on Aug 2, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you just whine about refereeing in August??? LOL.
Do we all agree that if you beat us this year and win the title that you are the team of the decade? And if we beat you and win the title this year we are?
Lakers 5 titles and 7 appearances. vs. 4 titles and 4 appearances if we win.
Spurs 5 titles and 5 appearances vs. 4 titles and 6 appearances if you win.
I am being generous and giving you the 98-99 title and calling it this decade.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, meant to go under spursfan87......damn SBNation.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about 'team' of decade...
Perhaps it is really only semantics that I am arguing as I would concede “NBA franchise” or “organization” of the decade under your aforementioned scenario. In my mind though, I do think it is an important distinction that 4 out 5 Spurs titles would have been won with the same “team” while the Lakers will have won 3 with one “team” and 2 with another.
The 2000-2002 Lakers were a completely different beast, namely in the fact that they had Shaq putting up 30/15, 29/13 and 27/15 in the playoffs during that run. That was a team with one of the most dominant centers ever in the prime of his career.
The Lakers of last year and this year did not/will not have Shaq, nor any similar nucleus (Fisher, Kobe and Phil??) to that of Duncan, Manu and Tony, who would have four titles as a ‘big 3’ should the Spurs win next year.
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
by Zeno of Citium on Aug 3, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the term "team of the decade"...........
Is meant to imply “franchise of the decade”. Obviously each year the team is a little different. Of course the Laker team now is a complete overhaul from the early ’00’s.
Speaking of Shaq (who I am not a fan of and never really was). Do you remember his consecutive 40/20 games against Sacramento in playoffs? Ridiculous.
Actually it was 44/21 and 43/20.
P.S. When I say I didn’t like Shaq, I meant personally. I loved what he brought to my favorite team.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaq vs Tim vs Subjectivity
I do remember his domination of the Kings that year and all of the historical comparisons to Wilt and Kareem.
However, I also remember those SAC teams featuring Vlade Divac and Scott Pollard as their primary defenders on Shaq. Had he not utterly destroyed those two…um… defensively challenged? bigs during the peak of his career it would have been shocking. But Shaq did, in fact, “eat their lunch” and does deserve proper adulation.
I too have never liked Shaq and have always found his arrogance and his dismissive personality to be extremely off-putting (in contrast to national media outlets who find him whimsical and entertaining).
Not to devolve (or perhaps evolve) this thread into a Shaq vs. Duncan debate, but I would put Tim’s back to back performances in the 2003 Finals above Shaq’s 40/20 feats.
In games 5 and 6 Tim went 29/17/4/4 and 20/21/10/8 after the series had been tied 2-2 to wrap up the title. He was also facing at least marginally better defensive competition than Shaq in Mutumbo, K-Mart (athletically superior to either Pollard or Divac if their inferior defensive equal) and Aaron Williams (probably equal to Pollard in ‘suckitude’).
Do you remember his consecutive 40/20 games against Sacramento in playoffs? Ridiculous. Actually it was 44/21 and 43/20
While Shaq did hit numerical milestones superior to Tim’s, the cyborg from St. Croix to had two forceful and domineering performances to close out a tied series and clinch a title, which ranks higher on my subjective scale of ‘back to back playoff game domination.’
My relative ranking is reinforced (at least in my mind) when considering that Tony and Manu went a combined 26/5/4/1 in game 5 and 14/9/3/0 in game 6. Tim single-handedly out produced the second and third best players on his team combined in every statistical category in both games to claim the crown.
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
by Zeno of Citium on Aug 3, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zeno speaks — and all else remain silent.
5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)
by jollyrogerwilco on Aug 3, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, the eternal 'team of the decade' debate
Being an arrogant Laker fan drunk on champagne and his inherent sense of entitlement, I’d have to pick the Lakers as the team of the decade. However, I do bring facts to back up my argument!
1) since Wikipedia is always right, “The 2000s decade runs from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2009”
2) Robert Horry won more titles with us
3) Our floppy, long haired foreign bench player is more hated than yours – even some Laker fans hate Vujajic
.4) Even if we elimated even-numbered years from the discussion, the Laker still have 2 titles in 2001 and 2009.
5) Jeanie Buss has posed for Playboy, Eva Longoria has not.
Anyways, in all seriousity, ‘Team of the Decade’ is an arbitrary title that no one gives awards for. I do think we’re the team of the decade for all the usual reasons, but it’s definitely arguable and the Spurs have some legit arguments of their own. Still… Jeanie will make a fine cougar some day. Just sayin’.
by Kung Pau on Aug 6, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3) Our floppy, long haired foreign bench player is more hated than yours – even some Laker fans hate Vujajic
Just because Manu is more loved doesn’t mean he is less hated. Opposing fans detest him. Opposing fans are annoyed by Vujacic.
by BlaseE on Aug 6, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs























