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My Team Is Better Than Yours: Los Angeles Clippers Edition

Here we are for episode 3.  We know what it is like to luck out and get a clear cut  and obvious number one pick, but also know the Clippers are about the worst run sports organization just about ever.  Let us take a look back and forward at the Clippers and Spurs.  Warning: This is going to be a long one.  We played them four times and they made some off season moves.

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Manu actually got to play in 2 of the 4 games!  That's Mason so there is proof it is actually from last season.

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FSN Season Stats Head to Head

The Clippers were offensively inefficient but they were 3rd in the league in blocks per game.  ATS says blocks are a poor measure of defense.  I'd have to agree since the Clip gave up an obscene amount of points (103.9 pg).  They didn't foul and didn't get to the foul line.  Only 5 players all season were fouled out against them which ranked as 30th in the league.  Our Spurs weren't much better at 8 players though.  Like the Wizards in our last preview, they gave up a ton of assists on defense.  They scored more off turnovers and had more offensive rebounds than us, but just about every team in the league can boast those two claims.  They also slightly bested us in opposing team's 3 point percentage.

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"Dude, personal space." via www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com

 

General Notes: We sweep the season series and score over 100 in 3 of the 4 games and keep them under 100 every game.  Both road wins were SEGABABA's so there is that too.

Mon, November 17 @ LA Clippers We win 86-83. "Mason hits 3 with 8.4 seconds left to lift Spurs past Clippers"

This is obviously the game we didn't break 100 points in.  Do you have a guess why that is the case other than that it was a SEGABABA as mentioned?  Parker and Manu, out.  This game was crucial though as it got us to .500 for the first time of the season.  We lost the next game against the Nuggets and then won 4 in a row to stay above .500 for the rest of the season.  The JV played 23 minutes and shot 2 for 9 if that gives you any idea about the rotation in this game.

When Tony got injured in the Heat game, Hill got to start the games until he came back.  This was his third road start and was a continuation of his poor shooting seen in the first two (0 for 5 in the game and 4 of 17 combined).  Hill found ways to contribute though and had his season high assist game (8) to lead the team.  He only played 21 minutes.

Mason (21 pts), Duncan (20 pts), and Finley (19 pts) carried the team offensively on 25 of 40 shooting and 6 of 10 from beyond the arc.  Duncan stuffed the stat sheet with 15 boards, 4 assists, and 6 blocks, but didn't have a single foul.  Actually the Spurs were 6 of 6 from the line and the Clippers only had 10 attempts themselves.  Mason hit the game winning 3 as the headline says.  His first of a series throughout the season.  The Spurs also gave up an 11 point lead in the last 6 minutes.

Roger Mason Jr. Game Winning Three Vs The Clippers! (via Cowboys420)

The Clippers were lead by Kaman's 17 points (8 of 13), 13 boards, and 3 blocks despite Cuttino Mobley having the most points on the team (18 pts on 8 of 18).  Baron Davis had a horrible shooting night (4 of 17 and 0 of 8 for 3) but contributed 8 assists in an effort not to be shown up by Hill.  We got absolutely dominated on the boards (47 to 36).

Thu, January 8 LA Clippers We win 106-84. "Parker's 19 pace Spurs to ninth win in last 10"

Los Angeles Clippers vs. San Antonio Spurs 2009/1/8 (via MarishaMarine)

Another interesting game against the Clippers.  They dominated us or we dominated us in the first quarter scoring only 16 points.  We then scored 27 in the second, 32 in the third, and 31 in the fourth.  We were down by 1 at half, scored the first 10 points of the 3rd quarter and lead by as much as 24 at one point.

"In the second half, they hit everything they shot," Gordon said. "We have to change the way we play our game, like playing better on defense."  Wise statement from the rookie.

Duncan had poor numbers scoring and on the boards, but lead the team with 9 assists.  We had 5 players (Parker, Finley, Mason, Manu, and Bonner) that scored between 11 and 19 points.  We out assisted them by 13.

For the Clippers, Gordon and Thornton each had 21 points.  The only three players who didn't play for them were Baron Davis, Ricky Davis, and Paul Davis.  I thought that was funny.

Mon, March 2 @ LA Clippers We win 106-78. "Parker has 26 points, 10 assists in Spurs' victory"

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"Even after the Spurs kill us, we'll always have this moment" and Please don't ban me for the cheeleader in the pic.  I didn't even notice her until I was proofreading.  Digitize her out if you must. via www.nba.com

 

I'm going to make this one brief.  Parker and Duncan dominated or lead the team in a team effort domination.  We took 14 more shots, shot 11% better, and had 15 more rebounds and 12 more assists.  Eric Gordon and Manu sat this one out.  We were coming off a 2 loss streak and were clearly out for blood in this one.

This was the game where Pop really opened up at the end of the game:

"We're a team that understands that we have to be one of the two or three best defensive teams in the league to win a championship, or it won't happen," Popovich said. "On a scale of 1-to-10 defensively, we're about 7½ or 8. But we need to be a 9 or a 9½ by playoff time to be able to compete with the best -- especially the Lakers, who are the best.

"But we're not going anywhere if Manu's not healthy," Popovich added. "I do know for a fact that all four years that we won the championships, everybody was 100 percent healthy. And that's the way it's got to be. If you look at any team that's won it, that's been the case."

Fri, March 27  LA Clippers We win 111-98. "Parker, Ginobili, Duncan celebrate reunion by crushing Clippers"

Los Angeles Clippers vs. San Antonio Spurs 2009/3/27 (via MarishaMarine)

This game was a real tease looking back at it.  It was Manu's second game back  of his last stint with us, and the first one was really rough (1 of 7 for 2 points in 14 minutes of play).  This game was Manu as efficient as always or even more so.  In 17 minutes off the bench, he goes 5 of 7 overall and 2 of 3 behind the arc for 14 points.  Oh yeah, he also threw in 7 assists, 3 steals, a block, and a rebound.  You might want to read that again (17 minutes with 14 points and 7 more assists....You may even want to read it again).  Parker and Duncan were equally efficient with 13 of 16 shooting and 6 FTA's for a combined  31 points.  Duncan only played 14 minutes and Parker only played 17.   We out-assisted them by 14 in this one.  We lead by as much as 27 in the third quarter before Gooden and Vaughn completely failed on defense in the 4th.

A little coach envy postgame: "They just make shots at such a high percentage," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said. "They always seem to find the open guy."

The Clippers were without Baron Davis and Camby was injured in the 1st quarter and didn't return.  Mike Taylor, Al Thornton and Zach Randolph all had good games statistically.

Clippers Roster Changes

Zach Randolph is gone, and they haven't signed some of their crappy players back yet.  They've added some dude from OU and brought in Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith, and Mark Madsen (yes, he is still in the NBA and he makes just under what Bonner makes...I find that comforting).  I hear that guy from OU is supposed to be good, but as a UT alum, I don't believe it.  I bet he is stupid and smells funny and had Durant , Ford, and Aldridge posters pinned up in his closet behind his clothes.  Actually, he is probably too stupid to respect their games.  If he had enough sense, he would have built a secret altar to them.

Blake Griffin Highlights - Oklahoma Sooners (via soonersportscom)

Okay, the guy is pretty athletic...

 

The Match-Up

Starters

PG: Tony Parker versus Baron Davis: Advantage Spurs
SG: Roger Mason versus Eric Gordon: Advantage Clippers
SF: Richard Jefferson versus Al Thornton: Advantage Spurs
PF: Antonio McDyess versus Blake Griffin: Advantage Spurs.  He is still just a rookie.  Come on.  Next season, I'll give him the advantage.
C: Tim Duncan versus Chris Kaman: Advantage Spurs

Bench:  Manu, Hill, Blair, Mahinmi, Finley, Bonner, Haislip, Ratliff and Hairston over Marcus Camby, Mike Taylor, DeAndre Jordan, Mardy Collins, Ricky Davis, Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith, and Mark Madsen. They have some nice players but nothing to be afraid of or anything.

Coaching:  Advantage Spurs.

Result: We own this team.  I don't expect Griffin to create too much of an impact this year because they are still the Clippers.  They aren't a playoff team, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them give up the exact same 104 points per game next year.  The only thing different is that they might be more exciting in a Golden State entertaining kind of way.

So that is the Spurs-Clippers preview for next season.  Next up is the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Past entries in this series:  Wizards and Kings.

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What is the top Spurs-Clippers match-up story line for '09'10?
Griffin versus Blair! Top 2 NCAA players in PER last year.
191 votes
Duncan versus Camby. '99 Championship throwback matchup.
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I just want to rest Duncan and Manu. Let's see the young guys run up the score.
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Baron Davis and Eric Gordon vs. Parker and Manu
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The Clippers are a playoff team next season. These games are going to be great.
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Hill vs Gordon: 2009 1st Round Rookie Guard Match-Up
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I’d probably give the edge to Griffin in the McDyess matchup right now. That being said, if we lose a game to these flaming bags of shit, I will be upset.

Give a man a chicken and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to chicken and he'll call you crazy and question your command of the English language.

by Aaronstampler on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

As long as they have Dunleavy and Sterling, I’m not going to worry too much.

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+10000000000

dude that FO is so divided. no one has a clear cut role. watching them makes me appreciate the heck outta Pop , Buford, and Holt

13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.

by Duhoh on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I were unbiased, I might be able to hear you out. As a Spurs fan, rookies shouldn’t start because they are inferior to veterans. Griffin is no exception. Duncan was an exception and we all remember Parker’s rougher times.

I also have the UT bias against him so he is fighting a steep uphill battle with me.

by BlaseE on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed. I’d give Griffin the slight edge over A-Mac too. A-Mac.. that just came out for some reason.

BLAIR FORCE ONE

by FreshmakerDTM on Jul 29, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about “San Antonio” or “Saint Antonio” as a nickname for Dice? Or we can just call him Dice.

by Gino20 on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dice seems to be the quick and easy nick. But I’ve got to say that I like Saint Antonio quite a bit. Yeah.

Saint Antonio gets a JTU for sure, and a rec for good measure.

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 1, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

GRIFFIN VS. DUNCAN should be in the pool

I want to watch Duncan take this kid to school.

by spursfan87 on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

damn that Rhymed

GRIFFIN VS. DUNCAN should be in the poll
I want to watch Duncan take this kid to school.

by spursfan87 on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was already thinking, “wow, that’s really cool…”
“…he found an nba metaphor that clearly rhymes with school.”

by theonlyromeo on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

blast from the past

rec’d to the Oklahoma board of higher education

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’re right, but I still would have voted for Blair/Griffin. The option should have been: “Number 1 Pick Showdown: Duncan vs Griffin”.

by BlaseE on Jul 29, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. This reminds me of Simmons saying the Clippers are frontrunners in the LeBron race. Really, Bill? Seriously?

Good post as always, BlaseE. Keep ’em coming.

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Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Not completely, he said that he would have to be the GM

AKA: Linix129

by sw12 on Jul 29, 2009 7:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

actually that was a “recommendation” from BS.

makes a bit of sense

13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.

by Duhoh on Jul 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

LeBron to the Clippers is intriguing

Simmons didn’t even mention the fact that LeBron and Kobe would be fighting it out in the same city, which would be interesting. The funny thing is that Simmons also wrote a long column about the Clippers’ awful history and how Blake Griffin should get out of there by any means necessary. Why doesn’t he feel the same way about LeBron going to the Clippers? Isn’t he afraid that LeBron will suffer a career threatening injury?

by tandyman on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh. The media would never leave LA if that happened. It’s bad enough now, that would make it 10x worse.

I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!

by Tim C. on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hm, hadn’t read it that way. I’ll trust you – it does make some sense, but I just can’t see it.

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Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Jul 29, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just edited the post. Up next is the Thunder, not the Knicks. I plan to skip the Knicks until David Lee is sorted out anyways though. I would say the same about Lakers/Miami and Odom, but he should be signed before I get to either team.

by BlaseE on Jul 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Clips

If it weren’t for their coach, the Clippers future would be looking good. I’m not a big Baron Davis fan, but with Gordon, Griffin and the other guys there they could make a run. Of course that’s not going to happen because of the coach and mentality that teams/organization has.

by Big50 on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Craig Smith

To be honest, I had never even heard of the guy before doing this preview. Since writing it, his name was on Rosen’s top underrated players list and Truehoop on ESPN claims David Thorpe says he is the strongest player in the NBA. Truehoop then links this article on the Clippers blog.

So if you are curious, there is some additional reading. I’ll stick with our bench still though…

by BlaseE on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I do have a problem with the Clippers blog using “brilliantly” and “Dunleavy” in the same sentence, even if it is in comparison to Chris Wallace. That’s just wrong.

My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri

by CapHill on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you need to go out with the guys, go get really drunk, and watch a silver stars game to satiate your urges. Focus on Becky, she’s great if you ever feel like forgetting about Manu for a night. She’s around a lot, and she never rejects you. Manu is just not right for you. His ankles have commitment issues and you know it. First they’re out, then they come back, then they decide to leave you again. Sure, when he’s around, things couldn’t be more perfect, but you always know deep inside, that it won’t be long, before he’ll be gone, yet again. It’s what makes him even more desirable if you ask me. Blah, I can’t blame you. Stay away from old box scores then.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

BlaseE, I was just wondering, do you think we’ll ever run across a team during your My Team Is Better Than Yours Edition that will have a better bench than the Spurs? LA, Orlando, Cavs, Celtics, I still favor the Spurs bench over those team’s.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t want to spoil those previews. I’m not sure yet. I like looking this stuff up on the teams for myself just as much as I like sharing it. I’m also extremely biased to the Spurs. It’s unlikely but 26 teams to go is a lot. When I get to teams with legitimate benches, I’ll do more work on comparing them. I’m not very scared of the Celtics or Lakers benches. I need to look more into Orlando and the Cavs though. Is Z the best backup center in the league? Does anyone think Gortat is better? I’m looking forward to the good matchup previews, but doing the recaps is really fun on these weaker teams.

Coach advantage will always be the Spurs though. I hope that doesn’t ruin it.

by BlaseE on Jul 29, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhh. I hate knowing the end before I’ve read the middle. Wondering if you’d put anyone over Coach Pop was the hook that had me reading all of these!

What a ripoff.

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Jul 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously though, about Z, I don’t think Gortat’s better than he is. But I’d need to see a list of the backup centers to figure if Z’s tops or not.

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Jul 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheed? or maybe KP is the backup…

I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!

by Tim C. on Jul 29, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

well I don’t know about back up centers, but if you have a really good back up big man, chances are you’re doing a three big man rotation throughout games that’ll see the majority of the minutes, with some of them sliding from PF to C, or vice versa (Unless you have a really dominant center that is incapable of sliding to the 4 (Shaq, Dwight). The best back up big men off the top of my head would include, Sheed, Odom, Gortat, Z, ( i wanna throw Oberto in there but I’ll just mention him), maybe also Millsap if and Pachulia of they come off the bench (since I threw them in..), okay and Oberto.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 29, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Sheed going to come off the bench?

by BlaseE on Jul 29, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that’s what I think. Perkins is so much better than Sheed to start along KG. KG’s basically a jump shooter on offense now. Would Boston want another jump shooting big man to start next to KG? I don’t think so. Perkins is a banger, he’s developing some good post moves, but most importantly, Perkins plays unbelievable defense (He owned Howard). I think Sheed will come off the bench, it helps with the team chemistry too so that Perkins (who is already becoming a drama queen) won’t suffer in performance from feeling badly for not starting. That’s the least important reason though.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had read something alluding to that myself when they had just signed him. By the way, I like the pic.

by xman130 on Jul 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

My girlfriend said my series said my series reminded her of this Onion article.

by BlaseE on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

damn my stuttering type…..

by BlaseE on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s awesome. Tell her she should be proud.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your confidence in your team is high, but rest assured, you will suffer humiliation
In the past, we have defeated you on any number of occasions. Granted, there were times when your team beat my team, but those were lucky flukes.
no matter how hard you pray to a higher power or how many foam accoutrements you wear

Columns like this one are the reason that the Onion is beloved.

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Jul 30, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, great link.

Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or do people also notice a saint like halo on Manu’s head on the first picture.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

You really seem to be a Hipuks clone. Hipuks noticed that the first time that pic was ever posted, and has lengthy conversations with himself. hmmmmmmmm

I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!

by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s starting to get a little weird…

My tapeworm tells me what to do.

by Hipuks on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

have you considered the fact that hipuks and I might be the same person?! It’s simple to clone yourself on the internet. Plus, this will allow Hipuks and me (or me and me of that’s what you’re thinking) to have conversations with each other without people considering it weird. Mwahahahaha!

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is an excellent idea, now that I think about. Congratulations for the idea, me.

My tapeworm tells me what to do.

by Hipuks on Jul 31, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, the self-conversations have progressed to full-blown DID.

I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!

by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

acknowledging that this has progressed to full blown DID means that you believe that Hipuks and myself have different personalities, for:


displays multiple distinct identities or personalities (known as alter egos or alters), each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment. The diagnosis requires that at least two personalities routinely take control of the individual’s behavior with an associated memory loss that goes beyond normal forgetfulness

therefore, you are dismissing the fact that Hipuks and I are clones. So… first you say one thing… then you say the other… hmmmmmm…. we should look further into the question of who really suffers from DID.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, you got me… I’m also SiMA.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!

by Tim C. on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

GOL! sorry, i’m too drunk so I wanted to argue with you/anyone.

I am afraid.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

My alternate caption for that picture was something like “FSM seems to be breaking through the AT&T Center to watch Manu play” I decided last minute to leave it out.

by BlaseE on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha, awesome. His father would’ve been so proud to watch him play.

"He's Manu Ginobili"

by the little o on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually the arm definition reminded me of the Hill pic posted earlier this month

must’ve been doing curls while resting the ankles in november

BLAIR FORCE ONE

by FreshmakerDTM on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

FAIL

this was supposed to reply to Manu’s halo comment

BLAIR FORCE ONE

by FreshmakerDTM on Jul 31, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOL

5 in 10
I want my Manu o;—-)

by J.R. Wilco on Aug 1, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

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