The Spurs Aren't Done Making Moves This Summer - What Comes Next?
by Tim C. on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 AM CDT
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With the Spurs' apparent signing of vet big man Theo Ratliff(big thanks to Stampler for the find), the time has come to wonder what else the Spurs' front office has up its sleeve. The reload is apparently not finished, which is exactly what some of us were hoping. There will be another trade this offseason for the Spurs, there's just no way around it now. An inane attempt to make sense of this, below the fold.
Oh, Yawn, we hardly know ye. [photo from Ridiculous Upside]
The Frontcourt Logjam
Why do the Spurs have to make a trade? Because there are now 7 big men on the Spurs roster, and even though we don't yet have the details on what Ratliff is getting(likely the minimum), there's no way in hell the Spurs head into next season with all of these guys:
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
Tim Duncan
Marcus Haislip (not a SF)
Ian Mahinmi
Antonio McDyess
Theo Ratliff
Before moving on, I do want to mention something about Ratliff himself. He's a true center, and even though he's old, he's been an excellent defender/shot blocker in his time. If he still has anything left in the tank, I actually like this move.
Something's Gotta Give
With that out of the way, which big man is on his way out? I've given it a bit of thought, and don't like the answer that seems to emerge. I think there are 4 guys who could possibly be involved in trade talks(possibly more than one of them could be involved in the trade, but let's keep it simple for now). Either way, the Spurs are probably going to act on those plans fairly soon. Anyway, I'll start with the guy I see as most likely to be traded - who might that be?
Mahinmi. Did anyone notice how the Spurs sat Blair for two games in the Summer League, but gave big minutes in every game to the guy who got injured during summer league play last year? That smelled fishy to me, but I didn't really understand why they would do that until now: the Spurs were showing Ian off. They've probably been contacted about Mahinmi by a number of teams who would love to have a young, athletic C with his upside. The Spurs may have given up on him after the last 2 seasons of injury, and started shopping him. Also, he's not what I would call a good post defender, since his thin lower body allows him to be pushed around quite a bit. I'd like to keep Ian, but knowing how Pop operates makes me very nervous about this whole thing.
Bonner would be the second most likely big to leave, and if I was the GM, he's the one I would be shopping. He has the biggest contract(read: largest potential trade return) of any Spurs big who isn't named Tim or Antonio, and there are some teams who could use a perimeter-shooting big on their roster. However, Pop has also fallen in love with having such a perimeter-shooting big in recent years. It's a totally unnecessary wrinkle in the offense, IMO, but I just don't see Pop agreeing to a Bonner trade, unless he thinks Haislip can fill the role(with more ath-uh-leticism to boot).
Haislip and Theo(sign-and trade?) could also be involved in a trade, but I think the Spurs actually see something in Haislip, and Ratliff fits the Spurs normal M.O.
Roster Situation
Now, there's also a second point to make about the current roster - the Spurs will have 15 players under contract with Ratliff on board:
Duncan
Jefferson
Parker
Ginobili
McDyess
Mason
Bonner
Finley
Hill
Mahinmi
Blair
Williams*
Hairston*
Haislip
Ratliff
* = unguaranteed
15 players is the max you can ever have on an NBA roster, and the Spurs always like to have one or two roster spots open. And we haven't even mentioned the other players the Spurs hold rights to. These guys could be treated as trade assets to sweeten the deal for a rebuilding team:
Nando De Colo
James Gist
Robertas Javtokas
Jack McClinton
Tiago Splitter(damn it Pop/RC, you better not)
What Do The Spurs Want/Need?
A point that has been brought up in several other threads is that the Spurs could use a perimeter defender. The Lakers have 2(Kobe, Artest), so it would be nice to have at least one guy who makes opposing wings/guards have serious trouble getting into a rhythm. Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, and Shane Battier are all names that come to mind. Bowen would be my first choice, but I'm fairly certain we can't re-acquire him via trade, so he would have to come back as a free agent. I also like Bell, and think that a Michael Finley/Bonner or Roger Mason/Mahinmi package might get him out of Charlotte, but I'm not sure just how stupid MJ is in his current role. Battier is priced a bit higher, but Houston could be a willing trade partner, due to the Yao situation(not to mention that they owe us after we practically gift-wrapped their current starting PF for them).
A third PG would also be useful, but I can't think of who I would want to trade for right this moment.
The last possibilty I can think of is a very large man(7' or more) with an interior presence being brought in, which would mean trading multiple bigs. Once again, Ian and Bonner are the most likely to be traded.
The Two Inevitable Questions
Every time the Spurs make a transaction that causes speculation, these two questions come up. So, without further adieu:
Might Manu be traded?
There's always a chance, but it's nowehere near likely.
Is Splitter coming to SA this year?
No. Stop it already - he'll be here for 2010-11, if his rights aren't traded.
Share Your Thoughts
As usual, site participation is encouraged & appreciated. Please feel free to discuss any trade ideas you have, or think the Spurs might be looking at. Don't be afraid to be creative with it. Also, if news appears of an actual trade, please post a link for everyone.
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I think the Bonner finely deal would be the best. Espically if we get Raja Bell in return. Im pretty shure that the sprus brougth Ratiff here for a reason. To deffend the big’s out in the west. Im pretty shure he could be in our roation come playoff time.
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There is no freaking way Larry Brown is going to trade Raja Bell. He traded a major offensive weapon – JRich – to get Bell and Boris Diaw from Phoenix. He has a deep mancrush on Bell and there is no way he is leaving a Larry Brown coached team.
If anyone is traded from Charlotte, it’ll be Gerald Wallace and he don’t have the minutes / cash to make that deal.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
i dont know anything anymore. i voted for a lockdown perimeter defender primarily because i want bowen back.
re: the bigs, i wouldve preferred to have a bonner-type warming the bench. but yes, i like ratliff’s D too.
like others, i dont think we need a third pg, since manu and (please no…) mason were sometimes given that task.
with theo in, we get interior defense, and as you said, more than enough big bodies. we also already have inside and outside offense thanks to the big four. i think the only thing that the team lacks is a lockdown perimeter defender and/or a 3pt shooting big. if bonner is retained, then a wing defender is all i think we’re lacking.
i dread the thought, but i think yawn and fin are going. unless it’s yawn and fin and bonner. do we get a better deal somewhere with the three? but we need six bigs. right? five is not six. so i think it’s gonna be yawn and fin—unless you factor in gist, nando, and mcclinton.
shit. i dont know anything anymore. incoherent ramblings, these all were.
I think this move is to deepen the rotation. I agree with what VWolf wrote on the other thread. If he signs for the minimum, there is no reason for a trade. McClinton and Gist didn’t impress and who knows about Williams. I like this move a lot.
I actually think there is a huge benefit in keeping Bonner and Finley as they have been with the big 3 since our 2007 championship. Chemistry is the biggest factor for the Spurs this year and we know Bonner and Finley fit in with Pop and the team. Bonner is not a bad player, he is just a horrible starter.
This ++
Bonner can be a end of the bench kind of player that comes in when we need some shooting and spacing of the floor. He can probably play as a 4/5 when trying to go small.
I too think Ratliff can give us that one player to defend some of those bigs that we don’t want Duncan/McDyess defending all game long. This whole thing of trading Ian, really? He’s showed some promise but hasn’t even gotten a chance to play! I would want to give him at least a year under the Spurs to see what he can do.
If we’re trading anyone, I would want it to be Finley/Bonner, as it looks right now, those are two of the guys that are probably not going to contribute as much. This is me thinking that Hairston will be part of the rotation more so than Finley.
Bonner is not a bad player, he is just a horrible starter.
To me it seems that after getting bounced out the first round we decided to crucify someone to appease our frustration. Apparently we, as a unified force of digital anger, decided that “the Ginger must suffer.”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jul 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
amen man. the spurs got way more out of bonner last year than anyone ever imagined. when he played a role that suits him (long range gunner/pick up some misc. hustle plays) he excelled. when the spurs had to rely on him for more than that, his play suffered.
I agree with Blase though. He isn’t a starter but he is a good off-the-bench player. Better than quite a few bench level FA floating around out there.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
Personally, bones, Hirschof, I think you guys are bananas. But in a good way.
Bonner wasn’t crucified because we needed a scapegoat, he was crucified because he became virtually useless from the moment Gooden come to San Antonio. He had plenty of opportunities in the second half of the regular season and during the playoffs to rise up to the occasion, and he failed every time. By the end of a season he couldn’t make an open 3 to save his life, and I would have to check the stats to see if I’m exaggerating or not. That’s how bad he was.
Why do we want him on board? He’s not a good defender, he’s not a good rebounder, and when push comes to shove I prefer Mason, Manu, RJ or even Timmy taking a triple. Haislip supposedly can bury 3s, too. So… why?
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I have yet to see any other player criticized as much as Bonner since the end of the Spurs playoff run. I wouldn’t say he is a scapegoat but he has received more of the fan’s frustrations.
He is a good (not great) offensive player who does hustle and displays the work ethic Pop seems to be attracted to. Is there a guy out there I would rather have than Bonner? Sure, but I’m not so high on throwing him overboard for anyone.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
He was criticized more harshly than others because he had the worst quality drop from regular season to playoffs. And hey, hustling and having a commendable work ethic are great for Bonner as a person and a professional, but why should I care when said hustling and work ethic gains the team no rebounds and lackluster defense?
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Gotta side with LD on this one. First, there’s the dropoff in play once Gooden was signed, and also, he was atrocious from behind the line — even open — against Dallas.
If we keep him, fine. I’ll cheer for him when he’s in an hope he’ll be able to turn it around, but until he comes through in the playoffs, I’ll have a difficult time expecting the best from him when it really matters.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Jul 25, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
LD, you’re wrong here. Gooden was poison and now he is rumored to be going to Dallas after he drifted in free agency for months. Bonner isn’t a starter but give me a list of every other team’s 4th PF or C and I’ll guess that Bonner would be in my top 3, especially when you consider his 3 point range to stretch the floor for Timmy and clear the lane for Parker. Even if he misses the 3 point attempts, the defense has to respect his range.
Hey, I also loved Bonner a little during the first half of the regular season. But we all know that doesn’t really matter. In the playoffs he couldn’t buy a bucket, and the moment he had to fight for his minutes (when we signed Gooden) he crumbled like a cookie.
I don’t trust him to be productive when it matters the most, personally. And for the record, no one was respecting him in the playoffs, and in fact I remember many wide open triples given to him by Dallas that he missed.
Actually… let me check his stats. He was 5-23 from the field and 3-13 from beyond the arc. That’s why I don’t want Pop to have the option to play him. I also know he’s in love with the big man with tree-point range, and I can already see him giving Bonner important minutes in the playoffs.
Perish the thought.
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I agree whole-heartedly with your points, LD. We gave Bonner a lot of credit in the regular season, but when you don’t hit wide-open “tree-point” shots in the playoffs, you’re going to get criticized. Especially when you aren’t providing any defense or rebounding. I don’t mind having Bonner on the bench, but only with spot minutes, not as a starter.
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If Bonner misses a tree in the forest and there’s no one around to see him, do we still lose to the Mavs on the first round?
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Based on those stats we should trade R.Mason too. He had a great regular season but was no where to be found during the playoff. I dont like Bonner’s game but this is unfair. The guy is bench player, he had no business in the starting lineup, this is no bonner’ fault, it is Pop‘s fault. HE put players in uncomfortable situations last year. HE did not trust Hill after a good showing in Parker’s absent. It is unfair all this Bonner hate.
Mason was asked to play the point in the playoffs, which was obviously beyond his abilities, so we cut him some slack because of it. Bonner was asked (by the fans) to shoot triples. We didn’t even want him to rebound of play D, because we all knew he sucked.
Also, Mason’s not part of a suddenly crowded frontcourt. But make no mistake, Mason’s not seen as the second coming of Horry any more after the offseason. Do you remember the sheer amount of love he received after those regular season clutch shots? I assure you that if we had popularity polls Mason’s would’ve taken a huge hit after that first round loss.
For the record, I don’t hate Bonner – I just want to trade him. That’s it. Of the 7 big guys we now have, he’s the one I like the least. At least with Haislip, Ratliff and Ian we don’t quite know what we’re getting (well, I don’t). Bonner is a known variable and I simply don’t think he’s all that helpful.
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Like I said I don’t like Bonner’s game.Like you said he cant rebound or play defense. But Bonner is the type of player that should not be playing in those kind of situations, he’s not Robert Horry. I really don’t care if he is traded or not, i think the kind of job (shoot when you’re open) that Bonner was doing can be easily done by guy like McClinton.
The thing that bothers me is how everyone has turn his back on him just because of the playoffs, when he was not the only one who play poorly on both ends of the floor. Everybody played poorly in the playoff except for Duncan, Hill and parker ( he was not the same after Dampier comments),and even Pop decision making was poorly.
I’m not even sure this is Pop’s fault anymore. Clearly Holt and the FO realized they were playing all these trades too safe at the deadline and they settled on Drew Gooden. Pop had no control about Manu being injured. We were gone before the Dallas series even started just as Stampler predicted and I couldn’t admit. I think Holt and the FO are being so aggressive because they saw Bonner wasn’t a starter and they realized they were keeping Pop, an all time great coach, on a short string.
You mean the role he played the first half of the season? Starting next to Timmy, shooting three’s and guarding the other team’s center for some stretches of time.
He folded like a cheap lawn chair as soon as we needed him. He was given his due when he played well, but that Boston game was a looooooong time ago.
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He was not defending the center, he was defending Nowistki who is a big match for him, because he don’t have neither the height or the speed to guard Nowiztki. The spurs should had started with Gooden instead, he cant guard dirk either but at least he could score in the post against him.
And why don’t you mention Mason, didn’t he folded like a cheap lawn chair too?
Like LD said Mason was playing the point which isnt his real postion. Did you notice how well he was shootgin. Then he goes to the backup pont and his 3 point% drops. Mason will know his role next season and will be shooting the 3 as well as he did earler last season.
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Did mason play the point the entire game or just for some minutes????
He was missing wide open shots, just like bonner, just like finley
Just wait tell next season Mason will be fine. He didnt exactly know his role with manu coming bakc and then leaving. I bet next season Mason will shoot lights out from three the start of next season.
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hey i love mason’s game, i just trying to cut some slack for Bonner, because he was not the only one that struggled vs dallas. I know ( i hope is better ) that mason is going to have a good season shooting the ball once everybody returns to their naturals positions. Mason returning to be a spot up shooter and Bonner to the bench to be our 12th man, the guy who plays in blowouts.
All this talk about dealing with Houston makes me cringe. I hope they dont send Mahinmi or Splitter over to Houston. We know they need bigs and we know we need a Bowen replacement.
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I still have faith in Yawn but getting Battier (keep dreaming) would be phenomenal. If they somehow managed to get him (without taking a big hit) I would petition the city to build a sacrificial temple to honor RC and Pop.
There we could drain the blood of Suns fans to appease them.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As soon as I read Raja Bell
I got goosebumps. When LA brings back Odom (still haven’t yet but the talks are “productive”), we’ll be down one rotation player. As it stands, (that means no Odom on Lakers) the Spurs are pretty much a tie with them. Bring back Odom and it’s advantage Lakers. Trade Finley and Bonner for Bell, and we’re back at a tie. And this for me is without a healthy Manu since we were still fairly even with LA without him last year (except that one win where Manu tipped the scale as he often does)
However, I see two viable trade options for Bell. Any combination of a Mahinmi/Bonner with Finley deal. One of the big men is out and Finley seems out for sure. Each trade option brings it’s advantages and disadvantages.
Mahinmi to me isn’t going to be that athletic center that’ll be paired up with Duncan. To me, he’ll be that athletic center to be paired up with Blair/Splitter. When the Great Transition does finally arrive, Mahinmi could be a big piece of keeping the Spurs a playoff team during those times while we search for our next winning pieces. I really don’t want to see Mahinmi go. But if the Spurs want to trade Mahinmi, then he obviously wasn’t right for San Antonio after all. I trust in the judgment of RC and Pop and will be fine since they’ve yet to make a bad decision this offseason.
Bonner meanwhile is a great character and chemistry piece in San Antonio. Plus he’s one of the premier 3-point shooters in the NBA. The Spurs will still be relying on that 3-point shot a lot this year and trading away one of the best 3-point shooters in the league wouldn’t be smart in my mind. But being one of the best 3-point shooters brings a level of trade value. As does his championship experience (‘07) Bonner doesn’t fit in well with the Great Transition in my mind either because during that time the Spurs will be a much more athletic team relying more on interior play and less 3-point shooting.
Like I said both have their ups-and-downs, so who knows which San Antonio will choose. Bonner could have effect on this year, Mahinmi on the Great Transition. I’d much rather see Bonner go, even if team chemistry will suffer.
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And this for me is without a healthy Manu since we were still fairly even with LA without him last year
Huh????
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
sorry for the confusion
I’m saying that if we added Bell, we’d be pretty much tied with the Lakers in terms of talent and ability. I’m also saying that this would be a tie without having a healthy Manu. In games against LA without Manu last year, we weren’t exactly blown out, but we still lost. Now if Manu only misses about 10 games or so (which I think it’ll be more) and is able to play against LA, you’ll see that San Antonio will probably win. We have LA matched blow-for-blow, but Manu is like a Floyd Mayweather jab. He’s fast, he has great technique, he’s a gamebreaker the likes of which no team in the NBA possesses but San Antonio ad the likes of which no one can truly contain.
To sum it up: in my opinion, the Spurs with Raja Bell and a non-healthy Manu are dead even with LA. Spurs with Bell and healthy Manu are favored to beat LA in my opinion.
I apologize if I failed to clarify that for you.
Randy Blythe, Singer of Lamb of God- "Words can be broken, so can bones....." Omerta by Lamb of God
No, I got your thoughts on Bell improving our team but I don’t think the Spurs were “fairly even with LA” last year. We squeaked out one game and lost the other two by a combined 21 points. And I’m pretty sure the Spurs still would have been bounced out 4-0/4-1 in the first round if the two teams had met.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
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I would have rather seen them resign Gooden or go after Leon Powe or Brandon Bass (now w/ Magic). I disagree, I think the Spurs are done making major moves. They are normally very conservative in the offseasons-and the Jefferson/Mcdyess were huge for them. To think of them pulling the trigger another trade for a big name item doesn’t fit their profile. I see them adding a couple of pieces here and there-like Ratliff. I hope I’m wrong on this because it would be great to have any of those names mentioned before, I just done see it happening. But what do i know, I’m just the 800 LB gorilla in the room.
Just like we don’t want Bonner, no one else will either. Maybe we can pick up Scalabrese from Boston so we can can the 2 Red Headed-Twin Towers
by Spursin99030507 on Jul 23, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
The only move I see the spurs making is adding another perimeter player. The only player I them trading is Bonner, but not for now, the spurs want to see what Haislip can do before trading bonner. I see this trade happening during the season
I can’t see them trading Ian, the guy is their project and he is just 22.
I think we need a clear definition of what exactly the Spurs need...
Which is what I suppose this post is doing, but the thing is, is that even if we do get a lockdown defender, we probably won’t play him significantly in crunch time minutes.
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Has anyone heard how ginoboli’s injuries are? Will he be 100% at the start of the season? As we all know-He’s the X factor. They shouldnt even let him play until the playoffs start. His ankles are about as strong as the stem on a champagne flute
by Spursin99030507 on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
Since We're Dreaming...
My wife and I are planning to get iPhones when our current cell plan ends. That’s like ten months from now, and I salivate every time I see an iPhone.
That’s the same feeling I got when I read the words SHANE BATTIER above. If anyone was ever born to be a Pop Spur, it’s Battier. Perimeter defense, team defense, leadership, versatility, character, hustle. He’s a sane Artest. I don’t know if this is what the Spurs brass has in mind, but I think acquiring him would (1) make the pain of losing Bruce much less acute, and (2) place the Spurs in the driver’s seat for a championship.
I just don’t think Houston would give up Battier without getting much in return, and as of now, I wouldn’t want us giving up any of our pieces, maybe other than Finley and/or Bonner.
What if we give Houston a starting SG, Mason, and Bonner for Battier. RJ and Battier could then be our starting wings, and we’ll have some crazy perimeter defense. The rockets should be looking for a SG now that McGrady is out and will likely not come back, and also since Ariza could be their SF.
My only concern is that we would have traded our two best 3 point shooters.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So if Houston does that, and that’s a big if, we end up with Finley as our starting SG or starting Manu. The problem with Battier is that he is firmly a SF and RJ is firmly a SF. Neither of them are adept at playing the 2. Thus we don’t have a good way of getting Battier on the floor for many minutes and we are stuck with either Manu playing too many minutes, or having Finley on the floor for extended periods of time.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Although I agree that neither RJ nor Battier are adept at playing the 2. In our offense, we really don’t need them too. I think what we need from them is to shoot the spot up 3, Battier does that as good as anyone. RJ could be able to slash sometimes, and sometimes shoot the 3. Our offense is mostly centered around Duncan, and Parker (in terms of starters). They create for the other guys. Mason didn’t really do much creating, he’s terrible once he takes more than two dribbles anyways so it’s not like he was a prototypical SG and he seemed to do well when in the flow of our offense (not when he was a back up point and was asked the dribble). We don’t need more than 2 creators of offense in our starting 5, which is part of the reason why Pop makes Manu come off the bench anyways. Having both Battier and RJ would also allow us to have a good defensive presence when Manu comes into the game too (not that Manu isn’t good at defense, I feel he’s better at help defense though).
The rockets are in need of a big man, so Bonner would be a good guy off the bench for them that will be able to spread the floor for (this will hurt) Scoolaa, to work his great post moves in the paint. However, I don’t think the rockets would bite, they will probably want Ian which I’m still not sure if it would be a good idea to give him to them. No way will I give them Splitter.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If we have only 1 guard on the floor, it means the other team can easily press and force turnovers.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Bruce or Raja would cause the same problems. I’ve seen it written that RJ may be used as the sixth man, with manu starting – in that case, Bruce/Battier/Bell make sense, to give our first unit a suffocating defense.
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I would argue that RJ has the equivalent, if not better handles than Mason did. And Parker is too quick and elusive to be forced into a turnover, but made sure of that by beating him senseless his first couple of years in the league.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, I meant Pop, not but, I don’t know why I wrote but. =O
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t make me bust out the Freud pic again.
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!
It wouldn’t be again for me (I didn’t see it the first time), so I’d say go for it next time you have a chance.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I would disagree on that. I think Mason is a better ball handler than RJ.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
We’re going to have to agree to disagree. At least RJ can handle the ball enough to take it to the rack, Mason’s drives to the basket are 50/50. Not to mention that finishing at the rim would result in a basket/blocked shot/turnover about an equal percentage of the time.
Mason couldn’t take any pressure while dribbling the basketball either, although it was unfair for pop to ask of him to play the one. He just doesn’t have those skills to play the point at this level.
Bell would be a very nice addition, but what are we going to give Charlotte in return so that they will make the trade?
If Ian is the centerpiece, then we will need to also trade Bonner or Mason. It doesn’t make much sense to me to trade both Mason and Ian for a guy with an expiring contract.
If we trade both Bonner and Ian (still might be questionable for only 1 year of Bell), then we are back to being thin up front with only 5 post players (1 rookie, 2 guys who need rest, 1 newcomer who plays the PF like a SF, and 1 ancient center).
So maybe we trade Bonner and Finley. All the players have expiring contracts. Why would Charlotte do this? They have tons of centers on the roster already, and Bell is better than Finley at this point. The Spurs would clearly have to sweeten the pot with draft picks. Is that really worth it for 1 year of Bell?
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Replace Bell for Battier. It could work if the Rockets decide to rebuild this year… ….right? Please lie to me.
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by Big50 on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
My only concern with getting Bell in exchange for Finley and another big would be that after RJ heads to the bench, we’ll be lacking size on our wings. Other than RJ, no other wing player is taller than 6’6". Should I be too concerned about this? I’m not sure. Bell is much more athletic and Finley at this point, but I feel he’ll give up size to other SF that we might ask him to be a lockdown presence against.
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I think getting Theo is a good move by RC, we really don’t have a proven center on this team. I also see this as an insurance to Ian, if he doesn’t work out. We’re not asking him to be a savior, but if you look at his stat’s he’s proficient on the limited minutes he plays.
He's by no means lockdown...
But what about Damien Wilkins?
I agree with the premise that we would probably want a combo 2/3 but I would assume that would be what Hairston is for right? Perhaps not lockdown but above average.
I’m also still on the Walter Herrmann bandwagon if we could land him.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Jul 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The Spurs are set to go
I think we are done making moves this offseason. We need those 7 bigs because probably Pop is going to give Duncan and Blair the night off in the 2nd game of a back to back.
The spurs next move(if any) probably is going to be during the season, where they are going know what are the team necessities and weaknesses.
One possibility, albeit remote, is that the front office might want to try and trade Blair. Before you tell me Im crazy, Blair was a lucky pick. He was obviously not in the initial plans of the front office. I wonder if Blair stock rose to very high levels during the Summer league and has become a very valuable trade asset.
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probably over thinking all of this, but really who knows what the front office is thinking at this point? For all I know they will make a push for Yao Ming for the potential of seeing him play for one or two years along Timmy….
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YOUR CRAZY. Now that is out of the way. I am pretty shure that the sprus wont trade Blair. Why would any teams want him now if 28 teams didnt want him then.
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Theo Ratliff Stat of the Day
Intro: First we got Blair to solve our offensive rebounding problem. Then we add McDyess to solve Blair’s youth and inexperience problem. What problem does Ratliff solve?
Blocking….
Theo Ratliff had his decrepit old age of 36 was 16th overall in blocks per 48 minutes. He played in 46 games. So lets say that is the minimum. The list becomes:
1. Chris Andersen 5.75
2. Ronny Turiaf 4.75
3. Joel Anthony 4.26
4. Dwight Howard 3.93
5. Theo Ratliff 3.90
6. DeAndre Jordan 3.67
10. Marcus Camby 3.29
32. Tim Duncan 2.40
The guy is an elite shot blocker and true center and a value at the veteran minimum. He can definitely clog the lane on defense on games where Duncan needs to rest. RJ, Manu, Dice, Parker, Hill, Mason, Finley, and Bonner can compensate for Duncan’s points on nights he needs to rest. Great move. Hairston, Blair, Mahinmi, and Haislip are all potential scoring options as well. I think our team can afford someone who doesn’t need to shoot the ball. Blair, Dice, and Duncan can compensate for his mediocre rebounding.
Source: ESPN Block Stats Page
I think it is worth pointing out that block shots is a very poor indicator of defensive ability.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
“clog the lane” doesn’t mean he is a good defender either but I’d rather pay Ratliff 1 million to clog the lane on defense than Shaq 20 million to clog the lane on offense
You’re right though, I have no idea how good he is on defense. I’m guessing Pop and RC have a fair idea though.
lol, so true BlaseE
I don’t know why everyone thinks Cleveland got so much better with that move. I actually think they’re worse for it and think that if they wanted a good big, they should have targeted Gortat.
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Good post, rik.
Ian being traded? I interpreted Ian playing in the Summer League even after they sat Blair as him getting some burn after a whole year inactive. Why trade him now, at such a low value, and after waiting for him for two years?
Trade Manu? Nope.
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Like I said in the other thread, I hope you’re right about Ian sticking around. I just hope the Spurs are looking at it that way, and that Pop is done with his perimeter-shooting big fetish. I think Horry’s shooting may have made him blind to the other things Horry did(defense, b-ball IQ), which were more important to the team than his shooting.
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We’ve exhausted all options… none of us can come up with a trade that seems both favorable to the spurs and likely. I think it’s time we get some professional help and ask the trade/FO guru, Bill Simmons.
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what’s one of the things he said?
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah. With you around we don’t really need Hipuks any more…
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey hey, just as evolution, my pictures are not random. They include before careful research I did about 5 minutes before halftime.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
Damn, I guess you’d better stick around, Hipuks.
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I’m sorry, I thought they were random since they were about fish. I’ve never seen your fish pics, so I guessed.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s just fish. Here’s Hipuks as pictured through conceptual anime art:
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There we go with the racism, first that one black scholar gets arrested, now I’m pictured as having blonder hair.
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i think it was one of your links that led me to the onion… apparently, tim duncan likes fish too.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 23, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody at the Onion must really like Duncan…
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by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope this isnt true
Ratliff is a bum, Mahinmi is filled with upside and its about time we get to see one of the more recent Draft and Stash guys fulfill that in San Antonio
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
you're just the biggest Yawn fan on here
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I seem to be dont I?
Ratliffs legs arent exactly tree trunks either, so I dont know how Mahinmi is lacking in the strength department vs Theo; Theos best asset was his shot blocking, but the past few years his most useful stat has been his expiring contract.
I just look at Yawn and think he’s everything we’ve been craving since David left; an agile, sprightly and athletic big man, but how are we gonna know that if they give up on him?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Hi fellow Spurs fans. long time listener, first time caller here haha. I really really really hope they don’t even think about trading Ian. yeah he’s unproven but he hasn’t been given a chance to show us what he’s capable of. i hope the FO doesn’t ruin such a kick ass summer by trading Ian. also if we trade bonner and mason we lose a great deal of our 3 point threat. any thoughts?
I doubt the FO is going to trade Mason. Im hoping for a Bonner/Finely trade. Honestly if we could get a guy like raja bell for them would you say no. Raja Bell is a lock down deffender and that could help the sprus out a lot.
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Hope to see you arond. Just hope you dont fail LD test.
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I was just wondering what test you had in mind… (See? If I’d used a smiley he wouldn’t have misunderstood.)
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just a thought but wouldn’t getting Battier be much much better than getting Bell at this stage of the game? thanks for the heads up but i don’t know what the ld test is haha
He really would. Oh, if only we could grab Battier…
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Oh, if only we could grab Battier…
I would love Battier, but not Bell. However, I don’t see Houston doing this move. McGrady comes off the books next summer, so they don’t need to dump salary.
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how about draft picks or gist/nando/williams + bonner and fin for battier? i really like the idea of battier in silver and black.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I said before, I think we should give them Mason and Bonner, they need a solid SG with T-Mac out this year and gone the next. Mason’s stock is high, and they already have Ariza at the SF.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but u had a point about giving up our two best 3pt shooters (at least stats-wise)… fin can play 2, and i dont think that—at this point—mason is that much better than finley. but of course, mason’s young, so if houston is to accept fin and bonner, someone else has to be included in the package.
anyway, just wishful thinking. battier on our team would make us almost impossible to beat.
by theonlyromeo on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, wishful thinking indeed. I seriously doubt that the Rockets would trade us Battier. They just love him too much there. He’s the heart and soul of the team. Oohh this sounds familiar. Maybe somewhere in The Dream Shake (rockets sbnation blog) some parallel universe version of CMoney, lets call him TChange, is writing a post about trading Battier as the only solution now that they lost Yao and T-Mac for the year. Poor TChange doesn’t know what’s coming to him.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
nice. i wasnt even a regular reader yet when that happened, but i cant imagine how courageous a person must have been to suggest trading manu.
it must have taken the same amount of guts needed to ask if the spurs are getting too young?
by theonlyromeo on Jul 23, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I wasn’t a reader at the time either, It’s referred to as the incident now. CMoney definitely received worse treatment than I did for asking about the spurs getting too young. It’s only JRW who tries to castigate me for it. He of course, always mentions that we have an agreement to all of PtR before he does the admonishing, in order to not be considered the evil sadist that he is. But I don’t mind it, Master has taught me much. anyways yes, courageous indeed that CMoney is.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Courageous isn’t quite the first word that comes to my mind.
However, since we are in the midst of pre-season blissfulness, I’ll try to refrain from making waves.
Or better yet, I’ll just pass this off to my good friend Sima. Sima?
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I've been asking for a defensive minded SG for a while now....
But while we’re at it, I think this can be a team that doesn’t have a go-to defensive guy, but is a solid help defense team. A-la 1999. The similarities (at least statistically) between Richard Jefferson and Sean Elliot and then George Hill and Mario Elie are uncanny.
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thanks LD. i still think it would be extremely stupid to trade a 22 year old, 7 footer with great athleticism and great upside for a..wait for it..almost washed up defender in bell. for me, if the FO trades Ian i’m gonna be super pissed and they will have ruined a kick ass summer. thoughts?
Go ahead LatinD, I’ll let you handle this one… you know you want to.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
::waits some more::
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Metroplex
if you use the “reply” button beneath a person’s comment, yours will be nested after it. Just a suggestion.
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by LatinD on Jul 6, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
and welcome metroplex.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
dammit! it didn’t work how I wanted it to. But you get the point.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If you use < blockquote > < / blockquote > tags, you will be able to quote other people. You can also click on the quote icon.
…Had to.
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I know… I know… you did have to.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I just cant wait till the season starts and to see what the roation is going to be. Ian is good but not as great as your making him out to be. He has promise which is why some teams are intrested in him. He going to have to do well during the traning camp or NBA preseason or the spurs will cut him.
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well, not again, that was the only time on this thread that I missed. I just figured I should miss, and write that I missed to give it some weird, hard to grasp, mobius strip type effect.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
MAN I DONT CARE. TRADE BONNER AND FINLEY FOR MARC GASOL. I NEED A BIG IN THE MIDDLE DAMMIT. HIS YOUNG AND DOMINANT. ENUFF SAID
WOOOW
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by LasEspuelas on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you by any chance an Argentine? Because I know Gasol is a Spaniard.
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Well you may not be Argentine, but you speak the language very well.
I’M SORRY… I MEANT TO SAY YOU SPEAK THE LANGUAGE VERY WELL.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
AFTER THE WHOLE SUMMER LEAGUE’S SHOWING OF HASHAME THABEET, oh shit, why am I writing in caps? Anyways, after his poor poor performance, they’re going to be even less inclined to give us one of their young foundations. And they wouldn’t have done that before either.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks guys. I was going to write the summer leagues Thabeetdown, but it didn’t seem appropriate considering Blair wasn’t there when we played the Grizzlies, and the Spurs only played them once anyways (Mahinmi did own Thabeet though). So I had to think of something different to write, and Hashame was the only thing I could think of.
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by the little o on Jul 23, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
not a reply fail....
VWolf, you are dominating these two Ratliff posts with sense. +1 multiplied by the # of times you’ve had to explain why seven bigs isn’t bad
VWolf is always very rational and makes plenty of sense. Except for where JR Giddens comes into play.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Spurs aren't done. What comes next?
C H A M P I O N S H I P ! ! ! RING # 5.
The whole off season was a complete overhaul and I love the changes. It’s GO SPURS GO this season.
Since everything is happening on our way, RJ, dejuan Blair, McDyes coming in and we still have great potential to grow and be more powerful, if we’re going to beef up our roster further through trade I think what the team needs is a real big man who can take shots from anywhere. TD, manu, TP, and RJ are mainly inside scoring. That is their real strengh, penetration, slashing, post up for TD, fast break, getting to the hole… what we need is someone who can really spread the floor for everyone. Bonner is good but no enough {way off, cant shoot under pressure, bad defense}. The only big name and real deal I can think of who will make this team invincible is M Okur. Yes, itsss a longgg shot! But I hope there could be a possibility. If jazz are having trouble with their roster/salary and i think are looking to break current roster it would be possible through trade. Okur for Bonner, Mason, M Williams and if this is not enough I’m afraid Mahinmi will go as well. Mahinmi will only reach his true potential {if there is} after 3 years. This is our time to make a real Dynasty. I take the risk now. Okur will solve clogging on the lane and will improve offensive production for TD, manu, parker, and rj plus he is a decent defender and has rebounding power as well. Add Okur and we have a starting line up of
C Okur
PF Duncan
SF Jefferson
SG Ginobili
PG Parker
bench
C Haislip Mcdyes {Mahinmi if we can get him not part of the deal} plus ratlif
PF Blair McDyes
SF Finley
SG Hairston
PG Hill
bench depth will decrease but we will have the strongest starters. Team strength is inside scoring and athleticism {TD, manu, TP, RJ} balance out with shooting from Okur, Hairston and Finley. Rebounding and big man is okay. Perimeter defender will mainly from RJ {that is why we paid him big and he dont need to score much, he needs to defend} Hill and Hairston will be a decent defender in the long run. Further more, Pop only uses few player not the full roster in any game. In playoff history, nobody stops the likes of Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan {these guys are so gifted that they can still score no matter what}. We will just do the usual hard team defense the best we can on what we have and counter act with our offensive thrust.
If we will have this roster we have the trophy even before the season starts. This will be the best Spurs Team ever assembled and the True Dynasty starts here.
Go Spurs Go!
by blacknsilver_take5 on Jul 23, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions
Just to give you a heads up.
LatinD hates extremely long posts in threads. He’s gonna want you to put this in a fanpost or a fanshot. I know what you’re thinking…"Is he really that anal?" And my answer is, Yes. Yes he is. But it’s not his fault. He has a kickin case of OCD and it drives him crazy. How crazy? Well I’m glad you asked that too. Try not blinking your eyes for 5 minutes. That feeling you get at the 4:30 mark is how LatinD feels when he see stuff like this… or fanpost with pictures that aren’t centered… You get the idea.
BTW thanks for posting this.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Blacnsliver I dont think that going to be the lineup for the sprus when they start the 2010 season.
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I keep seeing ‘sprus’ every where. Who are these ‘sprus’?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they’re similar to shrews.
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Retire Bowen's #12!
are they like whos? Or possibly sneetches?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh mother ###### didnt notice that until now.
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Invest in a spellchecker. It comes built in with Firefox. It’s the red underlined words.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m not sure yet. I’m guessing it probably will be after you use it.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I was saving this jewel of a phrase for a special occasion. Suppose we’re talking about a player, say Jacque Vaughn, can I say, " He’s as useless as a marzipan dildo"?
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
Sounds ok pending a look up of marzipan.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
almond paste and egg whites
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by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Sense there are no pictures, I’m calling this one good.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Werd. I doubt there is another sports blog that has ever had a discussion about marzipan. And I say forget about the marzipan or fondant – just give me some buttercream frosting on that cake!
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I’m with you, Cap. I hate marzipan and fondant. Yuck.
I like buttercream, so I just ignore the ingredients. Who knew that this…
Ingredients:
1/2 cup solid vegetable shortening
1/2 cup (1 stick) butter or margarine softened
1 teaspoon clear vanilla extract
4 cups sifted confectioners’ sugar (approximately 1 lb.)
2 tablespoons milk
could taste so good?
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OY…
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by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You got amazing sixth since, bossman. Nurture that gift.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 24, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I still cuss like a sailor during the regular season? Or do I have to use the crazy metric system you guys created?
and yes, I know it’s not the metric system… I just don’t remember what you called it.
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It’s Golden State! Bonner is too chubby to be allowed in Nelson’s team, and Ian is too tall. They’d be happy with some smaller players. Uhh… lets see, Gist, and McClinton! Thank you Golden State!
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Bonner’s a jump shooter. Nellie would actually LOVE him. But I think Rony makes too much for it to be a straight-up trade.
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Turiaf makes 4 and Bonner’s like 3.2. I think they could do straight up.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 24, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
In all seriousness though, I’d be for that trade. I just feel that they there would be no point in us having gotten Ratliff. Turiaf’s twice the player Ratliff is, IMO.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
It was just a suggestion. I still belevie there is going to be a trade.
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I’m not sure if there’s going to be a trade, I’m 50/50. But if we do do a trade, I like your trade scenario.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
hmm....
Mason doesn’t seem to think he’s being traded.
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I think the Spurs will go and play this team and assess their needs as the season progresses. If they see a certain need at any position that needs to be addressed, then they would make the move. This move might happen as late as the Feb. trade deadline (much like when they picked up Mohammed and Glen “Big Dog” Robinson). The Spurs are holding all the Aces now and are in no rush to make any trades especially if this group plays well together.
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I agree, If there going to be a trade it will happen during the season to address a weakness of the team.
At that time bad teams are going to be looking for expiring contracts, and we could get a better player, like the mohammed trade in 05
okay, you guys sold me.
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by the little o on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Bonner and Ian are the most likely to be traded. Bonner has an expering contract so if there is a big leaving I would say he is the number one candiate to go.
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I dont think that Ian is going anywhere. Spurs had developed him for 4 years, this guy is in the long term plan, and he is just 22.
I agree on bonner. Bonner’s contract makes him a valuable trade chip.
Agreed. Ian is making so little this year in comparison to other NBA contracts (~$900k) that it would be hard to get someone we wanted in return, without throwing something else in the pot. Besides, I’d rather take a chance on a young, tall, ath-u-letic guy, even if he’s just a bench warmer this next year.
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I still say trade Ian to Houston. Houston right now is in need of bigs with Yao going down. Beside they already got Ariza who is a good defensive player. There is a possiblty that trade could go down. I would say it would be Mason/Finely,Bonner/FInely or Ian/Mason. Who knows but if we can get a player like Shane for Ian I would make that trade right right away.
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What the hell?
When did we get Okur? Is this the Sprus line up? You know, the parallel universe equivalent of the Spurs. Really though, Okur in the play offs is like, lets see, Bonner 0.5. If we dislike hate Bonner now, wait until the play offs are over next season. They’ll be selling voodoo dolls of Okur in the streets!
Final though, are we trying to get the French national team to play for the Spurs? I’m guessing if France ever thinks about invading us, it will be via San Antonio. What’s next, a trade for Mickael Pietrus?
Okay, I’ll be the first to admit, I wanted the Spurs to get him last year…
Should we start a day 2 post for Theo Ratliff to get the traffic away from this and the other one into one place?
Our ownership is a taking a big hit with all of these moves. If there was a way to spend less money and be as good next year, would you want them to do it?
Finley and Bonner are off the books next year. Splitter will eat up a lot of that salary.
We must also renegotiate with Manu and I am hoping for ATS’s 3 years for 7 million per number. Mason will also be a free agent but the reason why he is less mentioned in trade talks is because Bonner is an excessive big. Mason is our starting 2 guard and 4th string PG. He will be vastly improved with Manu and RJ on the team. I don’t know about resigning him though. So if next year’s lineup has Splitter and we are without Bonner and Finley and our ownership saves a couple million on Manu, they can try to get back some money and still improve. The tax line and cap will likely drop again next year.
I didnt understand what you siad. Did you mean not resign Manu?
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I think Blase was talking about not resigning Mason after this season.
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Yeah. Manu stays for 7 million per on a 3 year contract.
I’ve said this before but Mason’s situation worries me. If he has an awesome season as our starter, it may not be worth it to pay him what he is worth assuming some of his rough spots this season were from being asked to play the point and transitioning into our offense. Plus Manu makes everyone’s jobs easier. If he is terrible or even just average this season, it might be time to look for the next guy. Our FO clearly has mixed feelings about him as well since he was offered in the trade for Vince Carter and who knows how many other deals that weren’t made public.
Provided that Theo Ratliff comes off the bench (not likely he will start), Matt Bonner can be traded to free up some minutes on the front line. Throw a Bonner/Finley/Williams/draft picks/players rights deal on the table for Shane Battier and boom, there’s your perimeter defender. Houston might make the deal because Battier knows that his team has no chance of winning a championship and they know that too. They are rebuilding and the trade also frees up cap room for 2010. Only thing is they might want Mahinmi added to that deal somewhere
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now you migt say I’m crazy when I say this but lets look at richard jefferson. I think he migt not be as good of a player as yall think he is. The milwaukee bucks had their two top scorers, mike redd and andrew bogut injured all last season and him being part of their big three he should have gotteb much better stats with redd and bogut out of the picture. I think we should trade jefferson bonner and mahinmi or some other players for jermaine o’neal or chris bosh or some other dominant center. This could be possible and would make out team much bette than having jefferson. Just a thought here
I wouldn’t be opposed to trading RJ for something better, but his contract is poison. Nobody will trade better players for a guy who is guaranteed almost $30 million in the next 2 years. Like it or not, we’re stuck with him. I choose to like it, until I’m proven wrong.
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Jermaine O’neal is done, he has nothing left, and his contract is worse than RJ.
Bosh no, we already have a pretty deep front court, and Bosh is a free agent after the season.
RJ is one of the best small fowards in the nba. We need his offense at the 3 position, that is something the spurs had lack since Elliot.
I agree with you RJ is good not great. Come crunch time the ball is going to be in either Manu or Tony hand’s. Altough he still is someone who could put up 20 when you need it. Jermaine is done Bosh would be a free agent and would just leave after the season. Also Jefferson is a very good deffender and that could help us out a lot. As far as scoring he will score more when asked too. Plus if he left we wouldnt have a complete team. We finally are nearly a complete team the only thing we are missing is that deffensive stopper.
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The next trade (if any) is coming late in the season, when the coaching staff knows the spurs weakness and the bad teams will be looking for expiring contracts.
Yeah
I agree man the trades will occur near january or february when the crap teams need expiring contracts
I agree too man. hehehe, I’m really not trying to make fun of you. I actually love that you type in the same way that I am speaking at the current moment (both in syntax, and ideology about the trade)
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by the little o on Jul 25, 2009 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions
we need a perimeter big man who can shoot the 3s, play defense, rebound, how about we go after Spencer Hawes in a trade he can be a mix of pau gasol and dirk what do u guys think and his young. only down fall his a conservative republican(lol) but i think hell fit well with the spurs
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