NBA Summer League Day Nine Preview and Live Thread
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 12:51 PM CDT
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The San Antonio Spurs (3-0) play again today at 9:00 Spurs time against the Blazers (0-3).
All in all, we have another 6 games today. Oops, I missed one. We have 7 games today.
Here is your list of games, rosters are behind the links.
- Dallas Mavericks (0-4) vs Oklahoma City Thunder (0-4) at 3:00 - The Thunder have been pretty disappointing. If James Harden plays, I'll watch him. Rodrigue Beaubois has not been good outside of his 34 point game against the Rockets on Saturday.
- Chicago Bulls (1-2) vs New York Knicks (0-3) at 5:00 - I'm going to watch Jordan Hill again.
- Minnesota Timberwolves (1-2) vs New Orleans Hornets (0-3) at 5:30 - Jonny Flynn, Wayne Ellington, Darren Collison, and Julian Wright.
- Memphis Grizzlies (3-0) vs Phoenix Suns (2-1) at 7:00 - Hasheem Thabeet going against Robin Lopez should be interesting.
- Los Angeles Clippers (2-1) vs Washington Wizards (1-2) at 7:30 - The Blake Griffin show. Maybe he will match up with Andray Blatche in this one.
- D-League Select (2-1) vs Denver Nuggets (2-1) at 9:30 - The D-League Select team is one of the best teams to watch out here. They are scrappy, play with heart, and know how to move the ball.
- San Antonio Spurs (3-0) vs Portland Trailblazers (0-3) at 9:00 - I expect us to get extended looks at Jack McClinton and James Gist. Ordinarily, I'd expect the Spurs to rest some of their guys in the next two games. However, Ian really wants to play so I expect we'll continue to see him. I like the way he has gotten better each game. Hopefully, he can continue that trend. The Blazers have some interesting big guys in Jeff Pendergraph and Dante Cunningham.
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Los Angeles Clippers (2-1) vs Washington Wizards (1-2) at 7:30 – The Blake Griffin show. Maybe he will match up with Andre Blatche in this one.
If by “match up”, you mean “totally dominate an inferior and largely disinterested player”, then yes, they may match up.
Excited about today’s game, but I’m totally fired up about the Blair-Thabeet rematch tomorrow night. But knowing CIA Pop and Co., they’ll sit Blair for the last game…..
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
I think the game’s about to start… right?
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8 minutes to tip off
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Rikiddo and I are hanging out in the stands for this one.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
I’m watching it via the NBA’s feed. It’s just like being courtside!
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I tried to watch the Blake Griffin show earlier but was 80% black screen/20% frozen frames. If they mangle the Spurs game I will demand a refund.
by doggydogworld on Jul 18, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m here but leaving in maybe 30 minutes. Let’s go Summer League Spurs!
For the cheapos like me, here’s a potential feed: http://www.atdhe.net/7402/watch-summer-league-portland-vs-san-antonio
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 18, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
Pop just told us to get off his lawn.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
Hah. So he’s watching again, huh?
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 18, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s 5 seats over from me right now.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Asked him about “Pounding the Rock” yet?
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um, no
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for giving them the ball, ref.
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Offensive on Malik. I don’t see Blair…
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In my computer the audio sounds pertty loud.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
I feel like watching The Matrix, the players are fuzzy.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 18, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The starters are Beck, Hill, Hairston, Blair, and Mahinmi
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions
Only 4 turnovers
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
The announcer is going crazy about Blair being draft on the second round.
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rick kamla may be the worst announcer in history. i’d rather be listening to dennis miller. he’s now saying that ACL surgery isnt a big deal.
The Milwaukee guy was worse. Couldn’t believe he was a real announcer, I thought nba.com pulled someone from the crowd.
by doggydogworld on Jul 18, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Blair with a great fake, but then missed the open J. Still, that was smooth.
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Blair blocked! There is no justice in the world.
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What a stupid foul call… who are these refs?
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Did somebody call DeJuan a Gummy Blair?
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
how many foul’s does he have right now.
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What the hell, Beck… You’re not Jordan.
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yeah, Beck is too good to be compared to Jordan. :)
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Yeah, that was totally what I meant.
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Seriously, he grabbed the offensive board and instead of getting the hell out of the paint, he tried to do the head-fake-then-back-to-the-basket move.
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What is this guy a spurs fan or something. He keep talking about blair.
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Oh my FSM, what an obnoxious announcer.
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Yes, I do.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
never too early
TWSS!
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thank you
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Still, if the FO are smart they should know that this summer league doesnt mean anything. If the guy has been a terrific shooter his whole life you gotta stick with that. He is just in a slump.
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James Gist is having his best game so far.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
we are even with the Spurs free throw line on the camera side
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
would like to see jack mac get back in and get the ball every time down to try and get him going. wont happen, but i’d like to see them try to get him off the schneid.
We should have armed ATS before he headed to Vegas. Although then you wouldn’t have had the “George Bell” hilarity.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
They are playing her songs during the break.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
a live game thread…for the first time in about 4 months for me. this feels so…..weird.
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Heeey, SRF. Finally dared to venture here? :)
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on a whim i thought i’d check the thread to see if someone had posted a link to a stream, so…here i am.
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
2-6, actually, but with 4 assists.
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so why do the commentators sound like they’re delivering their “insight” from down a telephone?
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
i remember watching some summer league games the 2 previous winters (well, its winter down here), and i’ve never understood why the nba doesn’t do a better job with it. bball heads are starved for on court action at this time of year, and even though the level of play is patchy at best, its still better than nothing, so why not do a slightly better job in promoting it, and producing the end product?
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What a lousy game. We’re sucking badly.
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That was last night’s game
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
bs call on hairston
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
Does anyone else wish they’d do away with jump balls? They are so undignified and goofy, the refs can’t throw the ball up correctly, and guys always cheat and steal the tap. Then they alternate possessions anyways at the other quarters. Just flip a coin to start the game.
And yes, I’ve been drinking box wine at home by myself. Why do you ask?
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Because you used the term “undignified”.
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You know what would be better? How about shooting for the ball, like in pickup ball. Imagine the drama as Manu shoots for a critical possession late in Game 7 of the WCF.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
would it be only one player shooting (like the player that was defending) or both players that had the ball, like a challenge?
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 18, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Just one shooting. In pickup ball, if there is a questionable call that cannot be resolved, the parties involved will challenge one another to shoot for it. Someone from one of the teams volunteers to shoot (from the 3 point line), and if they make it, they get the call, and if they miss, the other team gets it. Most good rec players shoot around 50% (probably a little under) from a college 3 point line (uncontested), so it’s like flipping a coin, but more dramatic.
So let’s say Dejuan Blair and Ron Artest get tied up for the ball. The Spurs have the option to shoot for it (maybe they are at home), or let someone from LA shoot for it. Do the Spurs want the ball, and the pressure, or do they defer, and let, say, Kobe shoot for it? High drama.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
That doesn’t work, tomasito. Some NBA players shoot way higher than 50% from the 3-point line. And every team would want to ball in those cases.
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Name one player who has averaged “way higher than 50%” from three for his career. That’s right, there is not a single one. Steve Kerr and Jason Kapono are at something like 45% for their careers. Occasionally guys shoot just over 50 for a single season—like Kerr shot ~52% one year, and I believe that is the highest single-season average of all time.
Even still, it is much harder to make a shot when everyone is standing around watching you, and you just have to shoot it cold, especially in a pressure situation. Just like guys can make 50 FTs in a row in practice, but struggle in games. Even good FT shooters who haven’t shot one for the whole game are liable to miss under those conditions.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
But that was on game situations, tomasito. Completely free? A tree-point FT? I’d imagine that if someone can average 45% when you take into consideration contested triples and last second shots, etc. etc, then they’d definitely average better than 50% when unguarded, with time to set their feet, breathe, set their shoulders… I remember watching Manu practice his triples once and he must’ve made about 80% of his shots, even though he was moving. I’m sure the pressure would be a factor, but people like Kobe and Manu deal with it all the time.
Besides, my point still stands. No self-respecting team would let its opponent take the shot. If you’re going to lose the game, you want to lose it on your own.
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Agreed, unchallenged 3-pointers are different.
However, what if the choice was between the two players who were involved in the tie up.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 19, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
5 Liters for 15 dollars. And Franzia Cab Sauv is actually pretty good.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
You better hope Pop doesn’t read this. He’ll revoke your Spurs fandom.
My people call it "sarcasm." - Lauri
Do you think maybe we accidentally drafted the wrong Jack McClinton? What if we got just an intramural player from Miami, who happens to share the same name, and the real Jack McClinton can’t understand why no one wants him after his stellar NCAA shooting?
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
OK Mr. Smartypants
Do YOU have a better explanation for the horrendous shooting we’ve seen from “Jack McClinton?”
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Oh my FSM, Gist dribbling the ball…
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LOL! I think they just called out rikkido or ATS…
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The announcer just told a fan to chill… tell me that was you, Wayne. :)
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Nope, wasn’t me
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
"What does a guy have to do to get some playing time??"
um… be a marginal big without a contract, maybe?
What?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
10 years from now, PtRers will be saying “It’s okay. He’s just this year’s George Hill.”
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god damn these commentators make me want to shoot myself to end the pain…
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe turning off the sound would be a better option.
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i think shooting them would be the best option.
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Good better best—always looking for the best way. We identified three potential solutions, refusing to quit until we’d found the optimal one. Me likey.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Just tuned and noticed we are being run out of the gym, What the hell?
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
Hey look, ATS and rikiddo were just on the court.
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He was the guy in the white pants. I was the little girl that won.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That was one of the ugliest 3 point shots I’ve ever seen (Gist),
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He’s shooting them very flat
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 18, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
more efficient that way—if he shot with more arc, it would take too long to miss.
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by tomasito on Jul 18, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
singularity!
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions
DJB is a MAN.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
wow I like it! Obama said that right? It just made me think about another nickname for Blair, How about:
- Dejuan MAN!
I think it’s kinda cool cuz it also sounds like you’re saying “The One Man”, as if he were the only man in the court at that moment. You can say it both whichever way you like. You can also say it one after another sort of like:
- Dejuan MAN! The One Man.
Anyways, thanks for helping me come up with it.
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by the little o on Jul 18, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
mmm, me eat space! space yummy…
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That made me laugh. Had a mental image of Cookie Monster eating rebounds off of the glass.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
I would totally ‘chop that if I weren’t both working and totally Franzia’d right now.
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I’m slowly learning about masks, by the way… :)
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I’ve only been watching for a quarter and that’s the 3rd time Gist had gotten the ball on the low block and driven baseline right into traffic. He looks LOST out there, Where’s the guy that was so good last year in Summer League? He looks regressed from last year. I’m so confused.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
At the risk of seeming self-aggrandizing by replying to my own post, I have to add something about Gist: he HAS to be in Austin this year. Just has to. He’s talented, but if this what he looks like after a year in Italy, then he has to be developed in the Spur system in Austin, or we will have no idea what we have in him as an asset.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
Nate McMillan and Pop in the same coaching category, one just has more titles, according to our genial guides for the evening. I wonder if they’ll manage to say something dumber in the few minutes remaining.
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So you guys are watching the feed too? Did one of the announcers say Nate McMillan is a Top 30 coach in the league? I really hope he did.
That’s what I heard, too. I figure with all the assistants that puts him in the top 20%
by doggydogworld on Jul 18, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone up for finding a good picture to illustrate this game?
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Here's my entry
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That's not me, by the way
Though I like his strategy.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Pop would cut anyone he caught drinking that stuff and you know it. It would be either one of his wines or scotch.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain
True story
My brother in law is a ritzy oil executive, and likes the finer things (drives a Lotus, wears a Rolex, etc.). One Christmas, his dad (my father in law) filled an empty bottle of expensive wine with Franzia, and served it. Sort of a Princess and the Pea test. Long story short, no one could tell it was box wine.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
I found a old article on Greg Popovich and love of wine here. In it, it mentions this:
San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich’s biggest nightmare has nothing to do with basketball. He’s not worried about a weak defense or an undisciplined team; after all, the Texas team, led by “Pop,” as the players call him, has won three NBA Championships in the past six years. Instead, it’s Popovich’s 3,000-bottle wine collection that keeps him awake at night.
“A vintage in Bordeaux like 2000 or 1990 comes out, so you go get X number of cases and you think, ‘How am I going to drink all this before I croak?’ " says Popovich, 57. “Then you end up having nightmares that your kids are going [to inherit the wine], mix it with 7-Up and make sangria.”
which I thought was cool.
"He's Manu Ginobili"
by the little o on Jul 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
shotgunning goon…my god.
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
wait…do people call it goon outside of australia?
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by sleep research facility on Jul 18, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
goon as in …box wine i guess you call it. yes, we call it goon here.
(well, actually we call it cask wine technically, but goon is the slang term).
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by sleep research facility on Jul 19, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Move here to talk about this game… if you want to… for some reason.
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