The Real Recap - San Antonio Spurs Summer League Game One
Sorry I'm late. I didn't have a connection at the hotel. Come on in and get my two cents worth on the Spurs game one against the Hornets.
The George Hill Show
Sure, DeJuan Blair was a beast on the glass. Yes, Malik really had it going in the second half. But, the Spurs' Summer League opener was all George Hill all the time.
Cubits stats were very good, but for me, the impressive thing was the way he ran the team. He got the team into its offense. He didn't take early shots. He passed the ball and ran plays. However, and this is where most young guards run afoul, he was still aggressive. He knew where his shots were on the court. He knew when to attack the basket -- and he did it in very unSpur-like spectacular fashion. He was patient without being passive. It's one of those funny things. I can't tell you exactly what a point guard should do and when they should do it. But, when I see it, I know it. Today, I knew it. They are supposed to play the way George played today.
George was aggressive from the beginning. He scored 9 points, on 8 shots, in the first quarter. He picked up 2 fouls early in the game. On his second foul, he asked the ref a question. I'm not sure what it was, but from the motion he made with his arm I think he asked, "Can I use my forearme"? The ref nodded a yes. George didn't pick up another foul the rest of the game. The guy is just a smart player who plays hard. I couldn't be more infatuated.
The infatuation grew strong with his display of filthy nastiness in the second quarter. George got trapped out on the side court -- where teams inbound the ball after timeouts -- and split the double team. He juked a guy near the top of the key and threw down a NASTY jam over the top of the late-arriving help defender. I'm a Spurs fan. I'm a George Hill fan. I couldn't contain myself (which I'm supposed to do with a media pass), but I didn't feel too bad because nobody near me could either. It was just such an awesome display of ballhandling, explosiveness, and athleticism. I've still got goose bumps. And in typical George Hill fashion, he hustled back up court getting his team into their defense. I couldn't be prouder of the man. There are a lot of players here who could learn a lot from George.
On a layup he had in the second half the guy next to me said, "Geez, it looked like he only took one step inside the 3-point line. He ended with 25 points, getting 10 of them in the 4th quarter. He went 7-13 and a perfect 11-11 from the line. In fact, I'm fairly certain he didn't touch the rim with a free throw. I'm not sure how he ended up with only 3 assists because it seemed like he would have had about 8. All in all, George thoroughly dominated this game and when he wasn't in, the team really struggled. I wish they had a +/- for this guy.
What about the OTHER guys?
DeJuan was just an animal. Almost everybody was really interested to see how he would play and he didn't disappoint. He had 3 rebounds in his first minute of play. He had the old Moses Malone thing going. Get the offesive board, miss a shot, get the board, make a shot. The stat sheet stuffing possession. 2 points, 2 boards. He had 5 boards in his first 5 minutes. He ended with 13 points, 4-7 from the field and 5-6 from the line, and 10 rebounds.
There is really nothing to not like about DeJuan. My new name for him is Mr. Fanstastic. Along with his amazingly strong, soft hands, he has this strange ability to reach out further than everybody else to get a ball. His ability to retrieve balls wasn't just on rebounds. He gobbled up loose balls as well. He just got his hands to the faster than anybody else and I think it is due to super-natural powers. I did see at least one minor negative thing I need to point out. DeJuan attempted to chase down an offensive rebound and couldn't come up with it. The other team hustled it up the court and DeJuan lollygagged up the court trailing his man by a good 10 feet. It is easily remedied, but that won't fly in this organization. I bet he'll end up with a couple extra sprints after they watch game film.
Something to keep an eye on for DeJuan are his feet. I think his footwork is spectacular. He was able to make many fakes, pumps, and spins very quickly without dragging or switching his pivot foot. I found this very impressive.
Jack McClinton played very poorly. He had the exact opposite game of George. He looked tentative for a while. When he tried to be aggressive, he got himself into trouble and took bad shots and made bad passes. Like I said, I don't know what he IS supposed to be doing, but I could see that this is what he ISN'T supposed to be doing. He seemed overwhelmed and I think the coaching staff saw this and put him on the bench. He only played 16 minutes. He also struggled mightily on the defensive end covering Marcus Thornton, who wasn't bashful with his 19 shots. Jack has a LONG way to go to make the team. He's a guy to really keep an eye on over the next 4 games.
Malik looked very mediocre in the first half. In 14 minutes, he had 0 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist. He passed the ball and he played defense, which are both good things. However, he just looked like an average player out there. The second half was different. He came out looking for his shot and he found it. He scored 11 points in the first 3 minutes of the third quarter, including a corner 3. He was able to hit some jumpers going one-on-one against Julian Wright. I've never really seen him create offense for himself before today. He finished the game with 16 points on 7-11 shooting and 2-2 from 3-point. His second 3-pointer was a Bruce corner ball off a drive-and-kick by George that sealed the game. However, he ended with the same 1 rebound and 1 assist he had in the first half. If there is something to look for from Malik the next couple games, it is his ability to impact the game without scoring.
Ian, as he told me afterward, had not played a game in a year and I think it showed. He led the team with 7 fouls. He was only 1-3 from the field and only had 4 rebounds in 35 minutes. The one he made was a really nice move into the paing and, I think, he made it with his left hand. I could be wrong on that one, but I remember it being a really nice shot. One of his misses though, says a lot, he got the ball in the low blocks while being guarded by Earl Barron. He faced up, drove right, stopped faked up, dipped under and came up to shoot moving left and just got the crap blocked out of it by Barron. The whole move, while nice technically, was a little slow and mechanical. He looked like me practicing Tai Chi. Another cause for concern is his work on the defensive glass where he only grabbed one rebound. Again, something we need to watch over the next few days. On the plus side, he has a very nice shot. He was 6-6 from the line and looked great doing it. It's not a fluke. During warm-ups, he steps out to 17 feet and knocks down shot after shot. He has a nice release, nice arc, and nice rotation. He looks very smooth shooting the ball.
James Gist got lost in the exitement for me. I was so focused on the other guys that I couldn't really pay him much attention. He had a great dunk in the first half, but the box score tells me that's the only shot he made. He got stone cold blocked by Anthony Tolliver. Besides those two plays, I didn't notice James much. I don't know how he did defensively or whether his shot selection was good.
Romel Beck opened some eyeballs with his 11 points second quarter. He has a really nice shot and was finding some opening to take advantage of it. He's a rail-thin two guard who wasn't afraid to get up a shot. His only two points in the second half were from the line. It will be interesting to see how he plays the rest of the week. I think he certainly has earned some minutes for the next few games. I want to know if he will be able to play well without making shots. Or, will he force shots and become a detriment.
Donnell Taylor looks like a combo guard who the Spurs used as a backup point guard. He really struggled to run the point.
What about the other team?
The Hornets were a three man show for the most part. Marcus Thornton, Darren Collison, and Julian Wright had 56 of their 86 points and took 45 of their 67 shots. Marcus Thornton looked very good and skilled offensively. However, he finished 8-19 from the field. Mainly, because of his 1-5 from 3-pt. Darren Collison did about as well as a late first round pick rookie can be expected to do at the point guard position. He had 19 points -- 6-13 from the field and 7-7 from the line -- 5 assists and 5 rebounds. Julian Wright had 15 points, but was most impressive defensively with his 3 blocks and 7 rebounds. He's so long for a small forward that guys couldn't get shots off over him when they had worked him into the paint.
How about something on the other games?
Here are some quick thoughts on what else I saw, but I will admit that I wasn't very focused today after the Spurs game.
- The Timberwolves first round pick, and 6th overall, Jonny Flynn is a very interesting looking player. He's small powerful looking guy. He looks like a pure point guard with an outside shot. I really liked his demeanor and I want to pay closer attention to him.
- Corey Brewew has a LONG way to go. He took some horrific shots. It had to have been almost embarrassing for the coaching staff to see.
- Joey Dorsey is just a beast. He had 8 points and 16 rebounds today. 15 of them on the defensive end.
- James White came off the bench and scored 14 points in 18 minutes. I'm still very down on him. If Matthew was here to see James play, he'd come back and remove his James White fetish post out of shame and humiliation.
- Gerald Henderson, for some reason, is playing with the Timberwolves. He was drafted by the Bobcats.
- The Grizzlies just destroyed the Thunder today which can't have been good for the Thunder who have a lot of talent, or at least high draft picks, here. James Harden, DJ White, Serge Ibaka, Russell Westbrook, Shaun Livingston, and BJ Mullens. They lost by 29.
- The OTHER Marcus Williams looked good running the Grizzlies. He finished with 17 assists.
- Hasheem Thabeet and Hamed Haddadi, at 7' 3" and 7' 2" respectively, collded 5 boards in 36 minutes. Both guys look really raw, but at this point I would say that Haddadi is better because he can catch the ball in the block and look for cutters.
- DeMarre Carroll is going to have a long undistinguished career in the NBA. He has very good court vision and knows how to create space for passes. I loved his game. He also hit shots from range and is a great hustler.
- Brandon Jennings is an explosive athlete. He's very, very quick. He had 23 points and 8 assists. He hit 4 of his 8 3-pointers. He only had 3 turnovers. His attitude is, um, interesting. He acts like he's playing in an AAU game. How he gets along with the no bullshit Scott Skiles should be interesting.
- Joe Alexander is an enigma.
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Joey Dorsey might be a beast in the Summer League – but he will be lost, forgotten and the owner of the game 6 k-mart line when the weather turns cold. he has no idea what to do with the ball more than 5 feet from the hoop and he picks up a ton of fouls in real games – sorry, just had to fire off some hoop hate…anyway, this is great, great stuff ATS.
i do like DeMarre Carroll’s game too – much more interesting to watch than some guys in the league now….like say, mikki moore.
so when is the george hill interview coming? and the off-fremont stories?
Joey has actually been good with the ball away from the basket hitting back door cutters and stuff. It’s been of the things that has impressed me.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
must be some seeeeeeerious coaching going on with that dude if he is impressing anyone anywhere…..other than by being a sheer side of beef……but ok then, i’ll have to take your word for it.
I know. I’m not even joking here. I’ve been impressed with Joey and the way he handles the ball. I thought that before I even replied to you. It might even be in my notes somewhere.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Thunder played in the Orlando summer league too. Can’t help but think they’re fatigued after playing five games in a week over there and then coming all the way out West for another set.
I think it was Earl Barron who got that stuff on Gist, towards the end of the game. Not Tolliver.
I wouldn’t judge anybody off one good game in the summer league or one bad game. Its all about player development for the whole thing. McClinton could bounce back for game two.
True, I forgot to mention the Thunder having played in Orlando and being on a brutal schedul.
It was definitely Tolliver because I made note of the fact when it happened that he was a former Spur. I’d bet heavily on it, but I could be wrong.
Definitely the case on judging guys. I’m not giving up or anything like that on JackMac.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely Tolliver. See Sin’s comment after the game.
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Very nice. Looking back on it, I can remember my imagination running wild with dreams of Hill and Manu coming off the bench to dominate games. Think about it, we now have two slashers/creators in the first unit(Tony, RJ) and 2 in the second unit(Manu, Hill – and make no mistake, Cubits is showing that he can be that type of player). This team is DEEP. I think the only thing missing now is a decent post player in the second unit, but maybe Ian or Haislip can end up fitting that bill – and it may not be neccessary with Blair on garbage duty.
You catching any of today’s games, ATS?
I used to be a c+x kind of guy, but nowadays I just go nuts with my z. - LatinD
Retire Bowen's #12!
Yeah, I’ll catch four more today.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Very nice ATS. You’re making us proud. Not to mention that this was a great write up for us who weren’t able to watch the game. One quick critique to work on for your next interview. After you ask the question, be completely quiet until your follow up question. It seemed that you talked over Ian at several parts and it broke up the flow of the interview. But an all out great job with your first big time interview.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I was agreeing with what he said too loudly. The problem was that he’s so tall, my mic was closer to my mouth than his because I didn’t want to stand like the statue of liberty.
Being quiet, in general, isn’t my strong suit. Now if I just had a camera man.
And thanks.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
My new name for him is Mr. Fanstastic.
Really? Well, all right, but that’s kind of hard to say.
::practicing::
Boo, no criticizing my spelling on this trip.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This is your Summer League misspelling/bad grammar pass
Lauri, no playing dumb here. Even I haven’t been doing any spelling-related chop-busting on ATS’s summer league coverage. His output is such that there’s no way he’d be able to keep up that volume and keep the typos down, without an editor.
Keep on, ATS. But when you get back to Austin, the gloves come back off.
I can’t wait. It’ll be AMAZINE.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
I mean it — I wasn’t criticizing! I’ve already taught myself to pronounce Fanstastic without stumbling and everything.
Even still, I’m not feeling a lot of sincerity from you.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Another great recap post.
I can’t say/type it enough. Hill knows how to get the free throw line almost as well as Manu. 11 FTA’s on 13 FGA’s! Those are good PF/C numbers, not PG numbers. Tony can’t draw that kind of contact even.
Maybe Hill told McClinton to suck in Summer League because it worked for him last year.
Were you scared to interview Hill because you were wearing your Hill jersey or were you scared to wear your Hill jersey in case you go to interview him?
I still think you, ATS, should start a paypal account for us to donate to start a sort of PTR budget. Maybe you could have a camera man with you next year. If you don’t feel right taking donations (although we aren’t really donating but paying for your observational/interviewing services), then make some PTR shirts for us to buy. Maybe we could even send you to the combine next year with Tim and Graydon.
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
The t-shirt idea is something I’m trying to get going soon.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I like jerseys but don’t buy them because I don’t like to wear them. An awesome t-shirt would be the player’s number on the front and back like the jersey. Put PoundingTheRock.com as the team name on the front and that player’s official PTR nickname on the back. We could vote on which official nickname to use for those that have more one. Hill could be Cubits, IUPUI, or Ooey Pooey for example.
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
That reminds me of my high school senior class jerseys. But as much as I like George, I don’t think I could wear a jersey that said Ooey Pooey on it.
Ditto for me and the “poo god” shirt for Manu. Nice design? Yes. Words I won’ t wear on my body? Double yes.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
But “Cubits” and “Sickness” would win the votes anyways….
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
Don’t forget Windu and Timmeh!
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
Yeah I thought about Findog too but who would really buy a Windu or Findog or Dump in my Pants Run over a Sickness, Cubits, Frenchie, or Timmeh!?
Do we have any RJ nicks yet?
San Antonio McDyess as the formal winner with a more casual entry coming?
Blair’s nick definitely still seems to be up for debate at this point.
Ice Thrown on a 44 even though its not a nickname for Gervin?
What is Bowen’s official PTR nick? I’m drawing a blank.
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
Bowen is Mr. Potato Head, among many others that I can’t remember. Check out Stampler’s post in the Featured Stories section (sorry, too lazy to link to it).
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 15, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Ice Thrown on a 44 is a keeper.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
As much as I hate to say it, this might be the apex of PtR shirtdom.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 15, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Hill told McClinton to suck in Summer League because it worked for him last year.
No doubt, BlaseE. I believe that the thought at the time was that the coaching staff were telling him to focus on a particular skill that he hadn’t learned yet. Someone with a better memory/more time to search wanna chime in?
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
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My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
I might be grasping at straws here, but….
McClinton did run the point for a few minutes (of his 15) after RC specifically said he was a specialty 2 guard and not a 1 in his post draft conference. McClinton also helped defend Thorton who ended up with a good amount points but on a large number of shots and shot poor from 3 (1/5 as ATS said). That is Spurs defense to the T. Turn a good player into a volume shooter and defend the 3. I’d have to go back and check to see if any of that was actually because of McClinton though…..
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
McClinton seemed overwhelmed by situation in game 1 but I also didn’t like what coaching staff did with him in the first game. This guy is not a point guard, he is a scorer. He needs have some plays call for him in the next game. I want to see him coming off some screens to shoot. Also I think he needs to come off the bench with the second unit, he will not have many scoring chances playing along side Hill and Hairston.
They didn’t play him at the point at all. He was played strictly at the 2 guard.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 14, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm, Jeff McDonald at mysa.com says that they played him at point some in the second half. So, I might be wrong and you may be correct.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 14, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw him taking the ball up court on two or three plays, ATS. I even commented on it during the game thread.
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This is great, ATS. Had the opportunity to take some photos?
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Great job ATS, as always.
Are you going to interview RC if you have the chance?
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
I doubt I will get the chance. At this point, I don’t think my interview skills are up to it. I did introduce myself to him today. So I at least made a step in the direction of… um…well…something.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 14, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
He did have a comment about it actually. But, it was about the name. Not the content.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 14, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I may be misquoting, but it was something very close to the following:
RC: “Does Pop you are using this?”
ATS: “Um, I doubt it.”
RC: “I think he’ll be interested.”
ATS: “I had kind of wondered about that. But I wasn’t sure.”
RC: “I’m sure Pop will let you know”.
So yeah, I’m really looking forward to that interaction. In fact, I’m putting it at the top of my list of things NOT to do right after jumping off the dam.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 14, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn… sounds scary. Then again at some point you might meet him. :)
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