San Antonio Spurs Announce Summer League Roster
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM CDT
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PrintI know this because Timothy Varner over at 48 Minutes of Hell told me. Thanks. Check out his post for his take. I'll try not to plagiarize the whole thing. For some reason, his opinion and my opinion are similar. What's that opinion? Clickety, clickety, to find out.
The "As Expected" Group
The "ATS Had The Inside Scoop" Group
- Eric Dawson
The "ATS Has Got To Be Beside Himself With Joy, I Can't Believe He'll Be Playing" Group
- Nando De Colo
The "He's the Next Best Thing To An Argentine" Group
The "It Makes Sense For Them" Group
- Malik Hairston - This is his best spot to shine and make a team
- Squeaky Johnson - He's Toros veteran. His real name is Carldell. Mrs ATS loves that he's called Squeaky.
The "Guys ATS Will Have To Research Before His Trip" Group
- Donnell Taylor
- Antonio Anderson
- Romel Beck
- Alonzo Gee
Where the hell is Marcus Williams?
Here's where Timothy and I see eye to eye. I can't see how he's not playing with the Spurs this summer if they are picking up his contract for next year. He's either going to be cut or traded. I can't see anything else happening. It just doesn't make sense. My antenna are on high alert. Or as my old boss said, "my spidey senses are picking something up".
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Well, Nando clearly said that his priority was the French National Team, but that was way before the draft… Now that he had the little frustration of not being drafted in the first round, don’t get me wrong, he knew he had very chances to be, that’s why he signed with Valencia in Spain in case he was not even drafted, but I think a little frustration came from the fact that his teammate Beaubois was drafted 25th. So he is probably very motivated to prove that he can play in NBA.
And I guess, if he is on the roster, than it probably means that the Spurs and him agreed he will participate.
by Eti on Jul 2, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
And it begins
Can you hear the cheers, Spur Nando?
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
My article about Marcus was the kiss of death. Something tells me RC is going to call in a favor with someone.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
OK, so Varner doesn’t seem to think it’s a big deal that he’s not on the roster. I do wonder what kind of secrets the Spurs are keeping hidden right now, though.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
nando is actually playing this year?
Amazingness. This now has me stoked for all 3 picks.
Plus it’s nice to see hairston is with us.
Randy Blythe, Singer of Lamb of God- "Words can be broken, so can bones....." Omerta by Lamb of God
I remember watching Romel Beck play against Danny Granger (when Beck played for UNLV and Granger played for UNM). I remember he was very skinny (about 6’7") and he could shoot the rock very well. Other than his nice stroke, he did not seem to have a lot of the other skills necessary to play in the NBA. That may very well have changed by now and he may have even added some muscle.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Romel Beck? isnt that the guy that played for Mexico in the vegas tournament? If I remember correctly, he dropped like 40 against Kobe, Lebron and the like. Mexico lost in a high scoring match that ended something like 120-100 (unreal for international play)
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Antonio Anderson is a 6’6" defensive specialist combo guard who played for 4 years at Memphis (just played there this season). He is an intriguing athletic talent for an undrafted player.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
You gotta love Marcus Vinicius, if just for the fact that he shares a name with a Roman consul (circa 5 B.C. – 46 A.D.).
He’s an athletic and mercurial 6’9" wing who was involved in the assasination of Caligula (oops that was the other Marcus Vinicius).
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Sounds like a character from Astérix.
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Those were some great comics.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Still are – although it hasn’t been the same since Goscinny died.
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So Underzo is still making them? I haven’t read Asterix for quite some time.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Yeah, he’s made… uh… 12 or so. The first 8 are definitely worth buying, the last one is a travesty.
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Here’s the list of the Goscinny-less issues:
25. Asterix and the Great Divide (1980)
26. Asterix and the Black Gold (1981)
27. Asterix and Son (1983)
28. Asterix and the Magic Carpet (1987)
29. Asterix and the Secret Weapon (1991)
30. Asterix and Obelix All at Sea (1996)
31. Asterix and the Actress (2001)
32. Asterix and the Class Act (2003)
33. Asterix and the Falling Sky (2005)
34. How Obelix Fell into the Magic Potion When he was a Little Boy (1989, reprinted 2009)
They’re pretty until “All at Sea”, which is so-so, and “and the Falling Sky” is incredibly painful to read. “And the Class Act” is a great collection of short stories, written by Goscinny and also new. “How Obelix…” is short and sweet.
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BTW DANTE QUINTERNO WAS ARGENTINEAN AND HE WAS THE TEACHER AND MENTOR OF GOSCINNY AND ASTERIX IS BASED ON AN ARGENTINE COMIC KNOWN AS PATORUZU
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Patoruzú is a great toilet comic. :)
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Depends on what you mean by “new”.
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Excited and confused? Peculiar.
I’m really quite glad to see some of the Toros getting a chance to play in summer league. Particularly interested to see if Squeaky will be able to bring his A game up, or if he’ll pull a D-League playoffs.
But, as everyone has said, where’s Marcus?
Still no word.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 1, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I pray that we don’t unexpectedly see him in the summer league wearing a clippers uniform… not possible right?
unless he’s part of a Camby trade.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
oh, well, I know that he played for the clippers before and that he played in the D-League last year, so I thought maybe the Clips could have picked him up. I guess my question was if San Antonio alone holds his rights, as opposed to anyone else in the league who wanted him (since he was in the D-League). But thanks.
Since you opened up the Camby trade, what’s people’s take on Finley, Bonner, and Mason, for either Camby, or a sign and trade for Odom? then with our some or all of our MLE we pick up Anthony Parker from Toronto. I submitted a long comment about this in 48MoH, here:
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/01/summer-league-roster/#comments
I figured this site would be better to get some responses/criticisms, which are welcomed.
I would prefer it if you’d have taken Mason out and added Finley twice.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I would too, and it certainly feels like he’s been around long enough to have two NBA careers. However, I would think the time to trade Mason would ideally be now, while his stock is high. Could it be higher? Well I’m not sure, but I don’t think so. I guess if we can still squeeze a lot out of Mason and his stock doesn’t drop, then keep him, but gosh, it sure feel like we’ve squeezed everything we could out of Finley (yes I am aware that this doesn’t sound right). But as much as I don’t want Finley to take the younglings minutes, he’s a great insurance policy in case of any injury or the young players do not develop enough to contribute in the playoffs.
Thank you, SiMA
I actually spit on my keyboard when I read this.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
Marcus Williams is actually on the Spurs’ roster right now, so I don’t expect to see him playing for anyone else unless he’s cut or traded.
I think Camby is available by trade, but I doubt the Lakers would go for that Odom trade unless they’ve lost their minds, or unless we sweeten the pot with Hill, Ian, or the rights to Splitter.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
I just feel that if we do take Odom in a sign and trade for 9-10 million, there would be no way that they could keep Ariza and Odom (since Ariza would demand somewhere around the same level). The Lakers would definitely choose to keep Ariza over Odom.
I agree with that, but I just don’t think they’d be willing to trade with us. In fact, I think they would do a S&T with someone else just to keep Odom away from us.
On another note, my thoughts have also turned to trading RJ for multiple players, but RJ is “bad” contract, so there wouldn’t really be any willing trade partners. Too bad, for his salary we could probably get quite a bit back, and we haven’t really grown attached to him.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
I see you point, and agree. Then how about Camby? Surely he is attainable right?
I doubt the FO trades RJ for serviceable parts, despite only getting him for spare parts. However, maybe we can somehow convince him next season, if the season goes well, to resign with us to a long, but less expensive contract. Perhaps somewhere in the 8-10 million range? If he likes the organization, and sees that we are contenders yet again, and we show him what an integral part to the team he is ( not sure if this is the case, but the FO can bs a bit), then maybe he can sign for a long contract, and we won’t have to pay him another 15 million next season. Manu, Tony and Timmy, (Big 3) have all done this. Can we convince him that he is part of the new Big 4?
ATS, I think Eti or someone mentioned that Nando de Colo will only play in our summer league roster if he gets a guarantee that he’ll be signed. So does that mean him being in this roster equals a contract already, thus filling up one more roster spot?
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions
That’s my belief. I had an email discussion about this with Tim Varner at 48MoH. He was under the impression that Nando was still under contract to Cholet. I thought he was considering a contract in Spain. The one report I read said that the Spanish team wanted their answer by July 12th. In either case, I can’t see him skipping the French National Team games to come play the Spurs Summer League without a contract offer. He would have nothing to gain by doing it.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info. Nando must be that good if the FO’s willing to sign his ass over here. We just might’ve secured our 3rd PG.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 1, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Some precision's about Nando's contracts
He still had a 1 year contract with Cholet, but he had an option to leave wherever he wanted. So we knew he was going to leave whether he was drafted or not. That’s OK, we are used to it, we take the kids at the age of 15 of before, we teach them basketball, we make them play in our professional team for a few years and for the ones who do get excellent, they leave us because we do not have enough money to retain them. That;s ok, Cholet Basket has always worked like that, it’s a town of only 80 000 people. Among the great players we trained from their teenage age, are Rigaudeau, Gelabale, Beaubois who played in the NBA.
OK, I am leaving the subject, sorry I am making some publicity for my home town franchise.
Anyway, De Colo signed few weeks ago a contract with Valencia, but this contract gives him the option to leave at anytime for the NBA. That’s a very classic contract in Europe.
Now, as ATS said, I am very surprised that Nando plays in the summer league. Because he repeated several times his attachement to the French National Team. Furthermore, if the Spurs just wanted to see him playing, without signing him, they could have let him play for Les Bleus this summer, since Pop is suppose to come and watch them play with Larry Brown. So I see to reason why he would do the summer league, either the Spurs proposed him a contract, or Nando realised after the draft that he actually would do anything to play in the NBA, including not representing his country. Probably a bit of both: they “promised” him a contract if he plays well in the summer league…
by Eti on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I see. Merci beacoup on the info, Eti. The additional info on Cholet basketball is also much appreciated.
Hmm… a contract where you can opt out any time you want. That’s awesome. I wonder why Rubio and his people didn’t structure such a contract. Anyway, I’d like to see Nando go up against summer league talent and see what he’s got against more athletic players.
by silverandblack_davis on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Eti, please do not apologize for talking about your home town team. I’d say that PtR appreciates having a native who knows the details and customs of French league contracts; I know I do.
Thanks for keeping us up to date and for giving us your take on what’s happening. It’s a treat.
My name is DeJuan Blair. You blocked my shot. Prepare to die. - CH&LD
I want my Manu o;—-)
what's happening?
cv may be off the market… and, with the boston’s histrionics, perhaps sheed too… gortat is being heavily courted by houston (im not too fond of him anyway)…
i need to know if and when we get our big… i hafta stop checking Y!Sports every thirty minutes just to see what the Spurs do… i mean, is there even any news of who we’ve met or plan to meet with? please help.. the suspense is killing me. i hate offseasons.
supposedly we’ve contacted Odom.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
Zach Randolph is also going to memphis, so the probably of us trading for camby, which was pretty low to begin with, has gone down to zero. With all this courting of free agents, you failed to mention McDyess, that’s out guy! I hope.
i think (and i may be wrong) that gooden is better for the spurs than dice… dunno…
OR drew and dice… better. can we afford that?
I feel that dice’s outside shot is better than gooden’s, so is his basketball IQ, his defense, and he’s able to play off the ball better than gooden too. Although gooden maybe be more talented offensively, dice doesn’t need the ball to be effective, and gooden is usually effective mostly on the inside, which wouldn’t work well playing alongside Timmy (specially this late in his career). I just see dice as a better fit. But i could be wrong, why do you think gooden is better?
agree on the fab being a last resort thing, but do we necessarily need to begin the season with a 15 man roster to start the season? I’d be happy with 13 or 14. What if one of our young players emerge into solid future prospects (mahinmi, blair) and we need to trade to help us better compete to win now? some trades are 3 for 2, or 2 for 1.
dunno… i watched drew play some in a spurs uni and i like him as tds backup… and hes younger… but ur right, playing with duncan, its gonna be mcdyess whos the better…. i havent seen blair play (just some youtube vids), but i already like him from what ive read… im not sure he can SUB for duncan though… i think its impt to have post play in the 2nd unit…
with oberto, i think, if we get nothing from the mle, hell have to do. after the rj trade, im not convinced GMs are lining up to be the “bad guy” wholl make SA even stronger.
oh and mcdyess and gooden’s not possible? or not worth it, you think?
by theonlyromeo on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, boy, certainly worth it. I don’t know how possible that might be though. Perhaps a 1/3 chance of possibility. I think the MLE is like 5.7 or so. Gooden would probably want more since he’s younger and not old and beat up like Dice. So I’d say give Gooden like 3.5, and Dice 2.2 or so. Again, i’m not exactly sure, of the numbers, but it COULD work. It all depends on how much Dice is willing to leave Detroit to win a championship, and if Gooden will take less money than he wants. I think it’s definitely worth it though. I like the idea.
The only downside that you might get from this is that a lot of people want minutes for the young fellas, (Mahinmi, Blair), and a combo of Gooden and Dice would certainly eat those minutes up. However, seeing as to how the goal is win now, I have no probably putting the future on hold. Besides, considering how much we complain about the spurs not having enough young guys, I think at least having young guys inserted into the roster is a big step for this organization. Baby steps, or I guess for the old timer spurs, cane steps,
by the little o on Jul 1, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry im not adept with the financial part of it… so we cant use the mle+other exceptions, vet min….? dang…. i thought we had around 7 or 8 M to spend for two or three players…
oh and if we talked to Odom, why are the lakers leaning on letting ariza go? http://www.spursreport.com/forums/spurs-nba-fan-feedback/72036-ariza-leaning-towards-leaving-la.html
dang i hate the off-season… too tense..
by theonlyromeo on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently Odom is going back to the Lakers, but not Ariza. Interesting.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
for sure we cant afford ariza, seeing as he turned down la’s mle… and i dont think we really need him… unless we lose a 3 again (rj trade anyone? jk…)… so odoms out now too… perhaps the little o got it right… we might end up with dyess…
by theonlyromeo on Jul 1, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
romeo, I’m not really adept with the financial aspect of signing free agents under restrictions with the cap, or exceptions and things like that either, so much so that if you heard that we had 7 to 8 M to sign 2 or 3 players, I’ll take that over my guess of not being able to combine those exceptions together to sign players.
I was under the assumption that you couldn’t for example combine the vet min, the bi annual exception, and the mle to sign one player, or give one player some of the mle, and sign another player with the rest of the mle plus the vet min, plus the bi annual exception. I honestly have no idea regarding that. If anyone does, your knowledge would be appreciated.
by the little o on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
in a way, i’m glad that Ariza is said to be leaving LA, he makes them much better, and it’s hard for people to notice how effective he was for them, until of course, he won a couple of games for them during the Denver series. Perhaps he got a little too over-rated after that and the championship, but not by that much. I’m only mildly disappointed that we got RJ now that we know that Ariza is available, however, my disappointment dies when realizing that a) We can’t afford him if he wants more than the MLE, unless we can combine the MLE with some exceptions, which is still in question. and
b) Since we can’t afford him, no way in hell LA trades him to us with the assets that we used to trade for RJ.
So… it’s still a win for the spurs considering the Lakers lost him. If he end up in Toronto, it means nothing since the Raptors still won’t be contenders. If he ends up in Portland, Portland could become a step below a contender, but I still think the spurs could beat them in a series.
And even if he does end up in a contender in the East like the Cavs (scary team with him), or the Magic, those three teams in the east (Celtics included ) are gonna beat themselves up badly before they reach the Finals.
Of course, this is all way preseason, so I shouldn’t be thinking too much about it. Can’t help it though, I’m a junkie =/
by the little o on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i read somewhere that bowen MIGHT be signed by a contender…
imagine if bowen signs with, say, the magic, and ariza with the cavs… (the magic prev traded him for Brian Cook and Mo Evans, so he may not want to go back)… our wings might be in trouble come finals (yes, i readily assume we get there, Kobe be damned: im a homer, get over it). i couldnt imagine booing bowen though…
dunno if we should waste a roster spot and sign him if he becomes a fa though… (considering we’ re waiting for a lot of spurs to develop) but i still love him and would want his 12 retired.
oh and shaq has nothing on td. im not scared of the cavs.
unless of course we meet them in the finals (hehe), which means the duo was a success… arrrggh.. cant wait for the season
by theonlyromeo on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
oh and i liiiiiked turkoglu when he was with us (i had a love affair with the kings).. cant remember why we let him walk…
by theonlyromeo on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, our wings would be in somewhat of a pickle if we have those two land there. But i’m think that if we get a good shooting big man to go along with duncan, we’ll be able to punish them when they help. And despite the good defense that Saq and Dwight give, I believe that Duncan can get off a good shot against either of them, since he has a variety of post moves. That’s why it’s essential that we get a good shooting 4 for when they double with their other big, since our wings will maybe be guarded by Bowen or Ariza.
by the little o on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
artest to the lakers? http://www.spursreport.com/forums/spurs-nba-fan-feedback/72037-artest-lakers-per-his-twitter.html
what the…? we need to get even better…
by theonlyromeo on Jul 2, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
also per RonRon’s twitter:
I just signed with the Knicks for 12 milion, Thanks Donnie Walsh!!!
Don’t believe everything a crazy person tweets.
Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where RJ happens.
are you, by any chance, implying that artest has crossed over the border of sanity? and that he would sayabsurd things just to focus needless attention on himself?
effin dude had me for a little more than a moment there.
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