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Maybe I just like to speculate on trades...


I think the Spurs still have a number of assets left, beyond looking to the free agency for a big.  Okay, so they don't really have a whole lot to offer to teams except maybe some expiring contracts and the stuff, but nonetheless, it's better than nothing.  I believe that for whatever the Spurs do end up giving up, it's easier to find a wing in free agency than it is to find a big, especially given the list of bigs that I've seen in free agency.  More elaboration after the jump.

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Okay, so what do the Spurs have left to trade?  Well, since Michael Finley has opted in, we have Finley's $2.5 million contract, Matt Bonner at about $2.98 million, and Roger Mason Jr at $3.5 million.  Now, I believe half of the Spurs fanbase is probably getting ready to stone me or something for wanting to trade Mason, who was so clutch last season, but in all honesty, I believe that the 11.8 points,  3.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists, with 2 threes on 42.5% shooting and 42.1% from beyond the arc, for the most part can be replicated effectively enough via the free agency and/or even D-League more easily than the greater need of a effective big be addressed via the current free agency.

First, let's look at the likely frontcourt rotation on the Spurs as is:

PF - Matt Bonner, Dejuan Blair, (maybe James Gist?)

C - Tim Duncan, Ian Mahinmi

Now when we consider that this year's free agency is lush with undersized banging power forwards, we can begin by eliminating a number of names because they just simply don't add what the Spurs need next to Duncan.  If we look at the years of past success with the Spurs we see that paired with Duncan have been a perimeter oriented David Robinson, Rasho Nesterovic, and Fabricio Oberto.  What they all have in common is that they can hit the mid-range with regularity and therefore spread the floor for Duncan to operate in the low block.  I still hold that Spurs success will still have Duncan operating on the low block, not as the perimeter oriented big, I don't think that relegating Duncan to a David West-type mid-range shooting big will be effective.  Furthermore, what all three of the previously mentioned centers had in common were that they were effective in defending opposing centers in the pivot as well.  Now let's look at the free agents available:

Let me first start by eliminating David Lee and Paul Millsap as they will easily run for much more than the Spurs can afford, and even should the Spurs be able to throw something at them, it wouldn't be for any amount that New York or Utah cannot easily offer. Let's throw Lamar Odom into this category.

Also, I'd like to eliminate Leon Powe and Brandon Bass, as they fit the undersized power forward mold, which is suited as a backup to Duncan, however, I'd sooner take my chances with Blair and Gist than add a redundant player.

I'm going to eliminate Marcin Gortat, Chris Andersen, Chris Wilcox, and Zaza Pachulia on the basis of their skill, or lack thereof.  Of the three, I would only take Gortat, but he hasn't really shown a penchant for a mid-range game.  Therefore, I wouldn't really be keen on taking him, since he would push Duncan out of the paint on the offense.  He also runs the possibility of being too expensive for the Spurs.

Continuing on, I want to eliminate from consideration Drew Gooden and Charlie Villanueva.  While they do add the skills needed, are enormous liabilities on defense, not something the Spurs want.  Obviously Gooden last season produced, but didn't really fit well with the team, Villanueva I see as a similar type of player.

Who does that leave?  Well the obivous answer is Rasheed Wallace, but also Antonio McDyess and Rasho Nesterovic, maybe Joe Smith, possibly Anderson Varejao (who I think will end up being way more expensive than he's worth).  As I said, there really isn't a whole lot to be had in terms of bigs in the free agency.

With that, I would personally think to move Mason, Bonner, and/or Finley, a combined salary of about $9 million, somewhere for some big.  Naturally, Mason would probably be the biggest selling point, and after that the fact that all three are expiring contracts.  The question is what teams are looking to move bigs, either for a need or to cut costs, and which ones fit within the system.  Therefore, it's a question of what's realistic. 

I think it's unrealistic that the Spurs somehow land Mehmet Okur should he opt out because he'll be commanding much more than the MLE, additionally, should he stay, I don't think are that desperate to cut costs (and possibly retain Millsap) to run a 3-for-1 (Mason, Bonner, and Finley for Okur), if it does happen, then RC Buford is the most amazing GM ever.

Another possibility, considering their glut of bigs and the promise to be had in DeAndre Jordan, is to run a 3-for-1 for Marcus Camby.  While he's not a stalwart in post defense, he does add a shot blocking presence, and has a decent mid-range jumper, and is serviceable enough for me to consider having met our needs.  He's not a 3 point threat like Wallace, but hey, I'm not going to get picky, neither was Rasho or Fab.

I'm not sure where the Wizards are moving as they appear to be cost cutting but also trying to contend at the same time, but if JeVale McGee is really the future, perhaps Andray Blatche for 2 of the 3.  However, given that they just moved Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila that might not be as big a possibility as I thought.

Finally, one last player I've thought long and hard about, is Jeff FosterRoy Hibbert is obviously the Pacers' center of the future, so the question is, are the Pacers trying to be players in 2010?  Are they trying to cut costs?  More than any need for players like Mason, Finley, or Bonner.

Afterwards, there are a number of off guards that can step into the starting role to be had at the MLE or less after trading for a big.  Immediately, Marquis Daniels and Josh Childress come to mind.  Furthermore perusal of the free agent list brings up names like: Flip Murray, Gerald Green, Dahntay Jones, Von Wafer, Fred Jones, Damien Wilkins if he opts out (though I don't know why he would), and Anthony Parker.

Granted there might not be many takers for a trio of expiring contracts featuring the shooting talents of Roger Mason Jr, but hey, I think it's easier to land the kind of talent the Spurs are looking for, especially since there isn't a whole lot of it in the free agency.  Involve a third team if necessary, but I think that there are significantly more possibilities this way, it's always easier to find a wing player than a big, so why limit the list of bigs to the free agency?

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I love that you love to speculate on trades. However, Oberto can’t hit the mid-range with regularity.

Also, if we do trade 3 guys for 1, how many are left in our roster? How would we reach the minimum 13 players?

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by LatinD on Jun 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

True the idea would thin out our rosters.

But not everything I posted was a 3-for-1. Additionally, I think between all those exceptions that AusTechSpur talks about we could probably find a number of decent role players. I’m just going along the premise that wing players are easier to get than big men.

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by Jaceman on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okur is NOT opting out, much like Boozer. Last year I thought Camby might be a good option, but like LD says, trading for him depletes our roster too much. At this point, I would just be happy with someone who provides some rebounds and takes some space in the paint, allowing Timmeh to play a little more outside again this year.

by CapHill on Jun 30, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

me no likey

for these reasons:

1. that leaves us thin once again. There’s no point having a dominant starting lineup if our bench sucks and there’s no backups

2. We would be back to 1 SF. Though Hairston and Williams are SF I would like a more experienced guy. I was praying for the return of Finley because he’s a good backup, knows the system, and still has a lot to offer off then bench.

3. Bonner and Mason are still good players to have. Bonner coming off the bench this year is much better than him as a starter. He should come in, knock down a couple 3’s, then be done. You can’t underrate is ability as a very good 3-point weapon. Plus he would provide something we lacked in the second quarter of games when Parker was resting, an offensive presence. Last year when Parker was pulled out, the offense could not do anything. This was often the point when teams pulled away from us. Bonner isn’t much of a defender, but he’s still an offensive asset.

Mason meanwhile is also one of the best 3-point shooters in the league. But unlike Bonner can play some D and can shoot from inside the 3-point line. Plus I doubt that Pop will trade him since he’s working so hard to turn him into our backup PG. Just because Mason wasn’t good as backup point, many people want him gone. Give him another year before giving up on a player who’s still developing and still getting better.

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by KA1Z3R on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't want Mason gone because he wasn't a good backup point

I think the FO should trade Mason simply because he’s not very efficient in how he gets his points.

Let me try to address your points:

1.) The premise of trading would then enable the FO to use its money (mid-level and bi-annual exceptions) on wing players, who I believe are in greater talent and availability than the bigs available in free agency. We may not nab the sexiest name in free agency, but at this point, if we trade for a legit big, I don’t think that signing sexy names to fill all the remaining roster slots is really necessary. Anthony Parker, Marquis Daniels, Grant Hill, Flip Murray, Wally Sczerbiak, Dahntay Jones, Walter Herrmann, Von Wafer, Fred Jones, Rodney Carney, Desmond Mason, Matt Barnes, Rashad McCants, Joey Graham, and Morris Almond are among those free agents (these are just unrestricted). That’s not to mention possible restricted free agents that might become available or those that might be convinced to come back from overseas (Josh Childress, Carlos Delfino, Juan Carlos Navarro) or anybody that Pop wants to give a shot from Austin like Malik Hairston, Marcus Williams, etc…

2.) See answer above. If you want my ideal situation, trade for big then split the MLE between Anthony Parker and Grant Hill, then perhaps use the bi-annual and vet’s min to fill in other needs or something.

3.) Richard Jefferson. You can’t forget his offense. While Popovich has declared Jefferson his defensive stopper, Jefferson’s offense is still where his value comes from. Mason is not developing, he’s 28, this is as good as he gets and I’m not giving up on him, I just don’t think he has much more to add to the team and should be traded while his stock is high, I like Mason, but player wise, I think you can do better. Honestly, I’d rather have Pop develop George Hill as a backup point guard. While you lose out a little on 3pt shooting, you can get something that’s good enough in the free agency (Anthony Parker? Wall Sczerbiak?). Dunno, to me it just seems easier this way.

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by Jaceman on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

It just not enough to get a player. They have to be the spurs type of player. One that wont wine over a fould every time or blame his teamates when they lose.

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by Manu-20 on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give him another year before giving up on a player who’s still developing and still getting better.

I honestly feel Mason has reached his ceiling, he is what he is, nothing more or less at this point in his career.

I don’t see him developing or getting better handling the ball and driving to the basket, running pick and rolls, etc…. I just don’t see it.

by FreshmakerDTM on Jul 1, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think mason has a chance to actually improve his 3 point% next season. Now that pop has seen what hill can do in the playoffs he problay going to be the back up point gaurd. When pop put mason to the point his 3 droped. Also the biggest issue of all that I think many of you forget. It was an injury plagued season. Even come playoff time the team wasnt ready you could tell when parker had to score half of the team point in each quater. This is the way i see next season playing out. The spurs are going to have trouble adjusting to all these new players coiming in. Then come all star break will have the team ready. Then from there count down the days to our 5 championship.

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by Manu-20 on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fin dog

I was hoping he come back to. Finely goign to be a good role player and improve our bench. We have a much better bench coming into this season than most of our previous benches in past years

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by Manu-20 on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Hill, Manu, Finley, Blair, and Mahinmi constitute a “better bench”? Maybe better than last year…

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by Jaceman on Jul 2, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although this scenarios are unlikely, I think the line of thinking has some merit. It is certainly something the FO should be thinking about. Given the history of our franchise however, I dont think Pop would be willing to play very young ball for most of the season, something that would be a requirement if we trade for someone and end up with a thin team. A strategy like this would sacrifice playoffs seeding in order to develop the second units chemistry and skill level.

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by LasEspuelas on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

*these. English is hard

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by LasEspuelas on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

it's okay, I'm hear to help

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by KA1Z3R on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes I put hear to symbolize that I will go through this with you so you're not alone on your journey

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by KA1Z3R on Jul 1, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you sir. I appreciate the camaraderie…

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by LasEspuelas on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

no problem

we’re a family here on PtR and we deal with these family matters

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by KA1Z3R on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is the perfect time to trade mason

First of all Mason is way overated. Yea he hit a few game winners but in the playoof he did nothing. Yea he had nice regular season numbers but you have to remember that manu did not play most of the year. Now we have manu back and we added jeferson to the mix, so less playing time for mason. We also added Mcclinton who is a better shooter than mason, and a better defender, and probably is goin to be ahead in the rotation by the end of the year. It is the perfect time to trade mason because his value is still high, time to sell high. We that money we can sign maybe grant hill.

by spursfan87 on Jul 1, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the FO feels the same way, but I’m interested in seeing what they have in mind to handle the backup PG situation. Maybe they have faith in Hill, but Pop didn’t have much faith last year..

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by Tim C. on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also think it’s the perfect time to trade him, if we’re going to.

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by LatinD on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we can sell high on Mason too but we have to realize that the more new players we aquire the longer it will take them to gel. I like Mason especially now that we have Jefferson and assuming Manu is healthy. Teams will be forced to ignore Mason and he can shoot ‘em up if he’s gonna be left open. Now, if we get a Jefferson like steal of a deal on the table then of course make the trade but there shouldn’t be any urgency to let him go. He fits in great.

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by Manuwar on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly makes you think that McClinton is a better shooter than Mason? That’s quite a statement considering McClinton has played an NBA second and he’s used to shooting 5 feet closer than he’ll be asked to in the NBA.

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by Manuwar on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no guarantee on McClinton.

But he has proven to be the best shooter out of this year’s draft.

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by Jaceman on Jul 2, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I belevie in McClinton

Even though i think he can be a productive player for us i wouldnt go and say he going to be better than mason. At the begging of the season he shoot lights out from three. The only reason his 3 went down were cause he had to take the point postion for the spurs. Im shure he can do better in the playoffs next year if we have manu. Teams were garuding him more tightley because of no manu.

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by Manu-20 on Jul 2, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Mason?

Youth is something we need. I doubt the spurs would make a major trade for camby now. Espcially with us over the luxury tax. Also it not as easy as you make it sound to get a player like mason. I never thought the d leauge proves anyting. There are only a few players who make it from the D league and are productive as a role player. Plust mason 3% perecent is problay going to go up cause george is going to take over the point and put him back to room free again.

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by Manu-20 on Jul 1, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I hopre you are right. Mason makes the JV look useful as a point guard.

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by Chilai on Jul 2, 2009 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

While you might not land a shooter as good as Mason in FA

You can definitely replicate most of his production in terms of scoring. Mason isn’t exactly “young” either, being 28 going on 29 by the time the next season starts. He is what you see.

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by Jaceman on Jul 2, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

28 pretty young for the spurs

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by Manu-20 on Jul 2, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"For the Spurs"

Sure, anyone younger than Finley is “young”.

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by Jaceman on Jul 6, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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