ESPN: Shaq to Cleveland Cavaliers
"The deal has been agreed to in principle and is expected to be finalized Thursday, according to sources. Cleveland will send Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix for the future Hall of Famer."
...What? Shaq for Ben Wallace? What the hell is Kerr thinking? The road to the 2009/10 championship just got tougher, guys.
(And people complained about our trade.)
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How many GM’s who were formerly Spurs are going to fall for this guy? I mean, Cleveland isn’t giving up a lot, but they’re not getting a lot either.
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I think There still about as good as they were a sesaon ago. This trade dosnt make them that great of a team. Plus they gave up a good bench player to. SO that less of a bench for them to.
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You guys are mental. Ben Wallace was a mummy last season, an absolute waste of a roster spot, and Pavlobrick was a bench player. Shaq had a ginormous (wink) season, his best in the last 3 or 4 seasons. Who can stop a James-Shaq-Ilgauskas frontcourt?
Not the Spurs as they are now, that’s for sure.
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A Bowen-Thomas-Oberto frontcourt would have stopped that.
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Oberto hasn’t played in a year.
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I think SCS meant that as a question or was being sarcastic. It is an imposing frontcourt but to me we don’t look any worse against it today then we did 3 days ago….
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
Well, I didn’t mean that we were able to stop them before the trade. Although KT would’ve helped.
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wow big D is wrong in this one. A frontcourt of Ilgauskas and Shaw would be so easy to score on. And Lebron would fall asleep waiting for the 2 plodding centers to get in to post position.
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Hm, we’ll see. I hope you’re right.
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I just couldn’t help but feel that the Cavs were one true contributor who could score without LeBron holding his hand away from being a championship team. Shaq’s that guy, and he’s coming for absolutely nothing.
Because Pavlovic is nothing.
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nice draft thread, btw. I totally wasn’t spying. whistles
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Working on it… Wayne asked me to write it a few hours ago. :)
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Wait… so you guys can see all the stories being drafted??
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Don’t worry, I didn’t read yours. I only looked into LD’s because I was about to start one of my own.
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Well, not that it would matter. Just asking :)
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I can’t. Or at least I don’t see any others…
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that’s true but shaq is not the answer at this point. He slows the offense to a crawl, and he demands the ball (taking it away from lebron). He is not the scorer he once was. He is an above average center (and he deserves praise for that, at his age not many players can bring a lot to the table) but shaq is not willing to do the small stuff that wins championships (like concentrate on rebounding and defending). The big snaq still thinks he is a franchise center and that the offense needs to revolve around him. Just look at the suns last season.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Think about Phoenix’s interior D the past 2 seasons, then imagine Amare slower and older.
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I don’t think Ilgauskas is going to be on the court at the same time with Shaq for many minutes (if he remains in Cleveland).
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Parker: “Hey Shaq! Come defend the pick n roll!”
Shaq: “Duh…. Okie dokie.”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone got any idea what his new nickname is going to be.
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Who cares....
The Big enter something stupid
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
ugh… supposed to be italics… not strikethrough
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
The Big Mistake By the Lake II
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
hahaha… remember when Shawn Kemp was traded to Cleveland?
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The Big 2nd Fiddle
Which his ego won’t allow him to be.
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The Big Free Rider. There’s also a theory in economics called the free rider problem, so maybe I can also call him The Big Free Rider Problem.
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The Big Journeyman(4 teams in 7 seasons; 5 total)
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This gets my vote.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The Great Lake
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
plus he is in the east which means only two shaq/lebron vs kobe games get national coverage instead of 7 or 8….thank FSM! who cares how many east teams get good, we only have to beat one of them
it also could be an epic showdown of shaq vs duncan for the 5th ring in the finals
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
Great. The meme all year is going to be “Who gets the fifth ring – Kobe, Duncan, or Shaq?”
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and Duncan won’t nearly get the same amount of coverage as the other two. They will be more interested in Lebron’s first.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently Shaq found out via Twitter. That’s friggin hilarious.
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How am I not surprised that Twitter is better than the Suns FO at handling these kinds of things?
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ll post thoughts on this move in the draft blog thread, but here’s a spoiler:
Not unhappy.
Give a man a chicken and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to chicken and he'll call you crazy and question your command of the English language.
Edit the post when it’s posted, Stampizzle. Just add it at the bottom.
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huh? What?
Give a man a chicken and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to chicken and he'll call you crazy and question your command of the English language.
by Aaronstampler on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh. I’m putting up a draft open thread in a couple of hours. I thought you were going to write an article about it instead of livebloggling it, so I thought you could edit my post and add your thoughts.
Never mind.
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I think Stampler’s liveblogging the draft, LD. Or at least, that’s what he said in a previous post.
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i think this is a smart move for the cavs, shaq wasn’t terrible last year. and i think its terrible for the cavs, because i don’t think the Big Ego will like playing second fiddle to lebron in terms of attention.
as for the suns? hahahahahahahaha…..bloody hell.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 AM CDT reply actions
after this trade, who is the 9th best team in the west?
Golden State?
Clippers with rookie Griffin?
Minny with healthy Al Jefferson?
OKC when they steal Ariza, Gortat and another FA with all that money they have?
Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?
I say phoenix. The suns are a better team withouth shaq. Their defense should improve a little bit, and their offense could go back to where it was.
"Rock and Roll angels bring that HardRock Hallelujah"
Was? I doubt that.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Points from Charley Rosen
-Shaq will be 38 before next season’s playoffs.
-Shaq is injury-prone.
-Although he’d be able to out muscle Dwight Howard, Shaq is otherwise a poor defender because of his extremely limited lateral movement.
-Slower than ever off his feet, Shaq is likewise a poor rebounder and shot-blocker.
-Because of his miserable career performances at the stripe, the ball would have to be kept away from Shaq in clutch situations.
-As he gets slower afoot and more and more floor-bound, he’ll be in ever-increasing foul trouble.
-He would be (and is) all but useless in defending high screen/rolls.
-With Shaq clogging the paint, there’d be precious little room for LeBron James’ powerhouse drives. In fact, the presence of Shaq would mostly limit LBJ’s offense to the most inefficient aspect of his game: his jump-shooting.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
All of which means that the Magic would be wise to pick & roll the Cavs to death with Shaq on the court
I mean,I don’t really understand any of this, but criticizing this trade on Uncle Charlie’s say so is not my cup of tea.
That being said, I think this is a terrible trade, and have told the Cavs fans so. They don’t, predictably, like me right now.
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shaq says he’s going to ride them to a championship.
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This is… um… uh… hmm. I don’t know.
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I can already see it…
LBJ: Hey Shaq, let me show you the powder I throw before the game to all the unsuspecting spectators
Shaq: Sure thing LeBron…
LBJ: Now grab some of it with both hands
Shaq: mmmm….
LBJ: I said grab it, not eat it!!!
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by LasEspuelas on Jun 25, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cleveland has made themselves slightly better
but only by the smallest margin imaginable. Shaq’s a better big man than anybody else they had. But he kinda sucks now and he’s so injury prone he’ll only play about half the season.
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Now that I think about it, if the Cavs don’t win the championship next season, LeBron is definitely going to leave, with Shaq there.
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and the Big Abandoner’s career will have come full circle — after leaving his All Star wing, Hardaway, alone in in Orlando to go to LA, his new All Star wing, Lebron, will leave him to go to NYC.
Yes, I just equated Penny and LBJ! For my next attempt I will
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misplaced a comma just for the sake of
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showing my complete disdain for the arbitrary rules of punction. Oh, how I used to love punctuation. But ever since The Incident claimed the life of
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argentinosaurus777, it hasn’t been worth my time. Still, I feel like
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my Manu poster, which I
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
satisfy myself with only this Creme Soda and a
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
which although frayed and scuffed will still sit in a place of honor next to
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Well done, people, well done.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 26, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Shaq is in the last year of his contract. Maybe he and LeBron will not win the championship this year to both go to New York to not win a championship.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe Shaq will break down mentally and eat LeBron in a desperate attempt to consume his powers.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you Hipuks in disguise? :)
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surprised we haven’t heard from him since the big trade.
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Take whatever you want from it. I only watch TV for news and sports.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
I’m totally with LD on this one. I think those who think this is a failed trade are comparing Shaq to his oldself instead of comparing Shaq to who the Cavs traded for him. Ben Wallace as we know can’t play a lick of offense and at this point in his career he doesn’t seem to care about or is unable to play the kind of defense that makes him effective. Pavolvic hardly contributes. Shaq still demands a double team and if there is ever a time he will be motivated it is now. For one he just got traded and that usually gets him pumped up. And 2 Kobe just won a champion shipt to tie them up at 4 a piece. Shaq knows this is probably the best chance he’ll have to get one more chip and if has a season anything close to last years it’s crazy talk to say that the Cavs won’t benefit from this trade.
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no question their offense will benefit. But what Shaq giveth on offense, he taketh away on defense. He’s easy to exploit – this might give Cleveland a more favorable matchup with Orlando, but there are other teams they’ll have to deal with.
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Cleveland will never make it out of the East with “The Big Disappointment”. You can pick & roll Shaq to death but you don’t even need to get that fancy. Dwight Howard, KG / Perkins (or any reasonable center really) can rebound the ball on D then sprint to the front of the rim for a lob pass before Shaq can make it past half court.
Plus I can’t wait to see LeBron try to maneuver around that big clod. To me the Cavs just bowed out of contention.
clown move danny. clown move. what they really needed was a real PG and another solid every game scoring option. i can hear the life being sucked from the northen ohio NBA franchise as the big parasite slithers into town and plops squarely into LBJs way.
and while i’m casting negatives at former spurs – let me say that steve kerr prolly ought to be fired. he broke up a team that was a serious contender and tried to slow them down – only to give up on that plan. now what’s he going to do, go run and gun again?
I believe Pops is putting retired Spurs in these positions to purposely ruin teams.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think Stevie’s done. Nash and Amare may not be playing out here next year either.
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Magic and the Nets
Are close to a trade that would send Carter to Orlando.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
I know I gave the Big Ego a couple of nicknames earlier, but I don’t think this trade helps Cleveland. He’s gonna clog the lane, not defend pick and rolls and spend a majority of the season on the injured list. He’ll do all of that and then he’s gonna complain about not getting enough touches. You know that good time they had on the sideline during this past season, that s#!+ ends. By the time February rolls around, Mike Brown will have tire tracks on his back from the bus Shaq will roll him under. Mike, get that resume ready my dude, since you WILL NOT be winning a title in the 2010 season, get ready for another asst. coach job in the 2010-2011 season.
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Well said, Dennard, well said.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, 100 comments on a Fanshot. We’re like Blazers Edge over here
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How long before Shaq starts dissing everyone from phoenix?
by arnav on Jun 25, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
GREAT QUESTION
I bet he does at his introductory press conference.
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