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The Richard Jefferson trade proves RC Buford and Gregg Popovich passed Business 101


You know the one rule of business that every sports pundit forgets:  Buy low, sell high.  It seems simple, but it is amazine (Damn, can you believe I really typed that?  That was not intentional and I will not correct it.) how people can forget the most basic of business principles.  Say it with me, "Buy low.  Sell high".

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It's a buyers market

Do you know what concern trolling is?  It's prevalent in politics where one party starts telling the other party how they are messing up and how their decisions are going to hurt them.  95% of the time they are completely full of crap and are just trying to be negative or put a negative spin on something that has really no discernible downside.  Sound familiar?

I give you Henry Abbott:

Here's where the move seems to be slightly higher risk still: This robs the Spurs of cap space in 2010. So the analysis of this deal is not about what they gave up in the trade -- Bowen, Thomas and Oberto are worth Jefferson, for sure. But for this deal, in the summer of 2010, the Spurs would have been Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and oodles of cap space. Who would that have become? Somebody! Potentially somebody really special. And that's the player the Spurs silently included in this deal today.

and

It may well work out beautifully. But this is not a steal, nor is it a no-brainer. It's one of the highest-risk moves the Spurs have made in the Tim Duncan era.

I give you  John Hollinger:

 That said, the Spurs took a larger risk on this deal than we're used to seeing from them. The deal basically takes San Antonio out of the 2010 free-agent market since Jefferson is owed $15 million in 2010-11 (he has an opt-out that he'd be insane to exercise)

  and Tim Varner:  (NOTE to Tim:  Finish reading before you start hating on me for taking you out of context.  Where's that smiley emoticon when I need it?)

Aside from landing Jefferson, the other story here is that the Spurs have moved away from their 2010 cap strategy. Jefferson's salary eats up everything they had on reserve for a big name free agent run.

Did you catch the commom meme there?  2010, 2010, 2010, 2010.   Just checking to make sure you are reading.   Now, I do have some concerns about this trade that I will address later, but losing our 2010 cap room is not one of them. 

The Spurs just acquired a 29-year old wing who averages 20 points a game for 38-year old Bruce Bowen, 37-year old Kurt Thomas, and 34-year old Fabricio Oberto.  We didn't kick in any draft picks.  We didn't kick in any stashed assets.  We didn't kick in any youth -- like George or Ian.  When is that EVER a bad trade?

How much are people selling in this market?  Consider this potential trade reported by Jeff McDonald and Mike Monroe at Mysa.com:

According to an Eastern Conference executive, Bowen, Oberto, Thomas and Roger Mason Jr. had been offered to the Nets in exchange for Carter and the Nets’ first-round pick in Thursday’s draft. The Spurs balked when the Nets asked for additional considerations, then turned their focus to Jefferson.

The Nets were in talks to give up Carter AND the 11th pick in the draft for the pupu platter of expiring contracts.  When the Nets wanted extra pupu on the platter, the Spurs moved on.

Buy low.  The Spurs just did it.

2010 is a sellers market

Everybody and their mother is creating cap space for 2010.  Sure, a lot of big names are going to be free agents, but not that many.  Most of them won't be worth the max deals they will get.  But, they'll get them because every team is keeping cap space open for them.  Most will return to their current teams.  So, 2010 didn't really excite me that much in regards to the Spurs being able to lock up the next franchise player.

Back to Tim Varner (this is the sentence right after the one I pulled above):

But Jefferson is probably as good as any player they were likely to land next summer, so in that sense they’ve simply accelerated their rebuild with a player that can help them within Tim Duncan’s window.

I completely agree with this.  Yes, Richard Jefferson probably is overpaid at $14 million this year.  If this had been a free agent signing I would have been unhappy that we had spent so much on him.  But, to give up what we did, I couldn't be happier.

We had a possibility of signing a player next year.  A possibility.  We could have ended up with nobody.  That means we would have suffered through another 2009 campaign AND we would have had NOBODY making corner 3's and pulling down rebounds in 2011 and beyond.

You see, the Spurs changed their rules on us.  When the luxury tax is no longer a hard limit on their decision-making, the opportunities are much more valuable.  The Spurs front office and ownership realized this.  If they bought now, and not next year, they get a lot more for their money. 

It's just business 101.  Buy low, sell high.

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Nice work.

48 MOH proposed a theory that they are going to delve into more in the upcoming days. I found it very interesting and I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on why the FO decided to change their stance on not exceeding the tax line.

I have a theory. This past season the Spurs experienced an uncommon financial shock. They received the revenue from only two home playoff games. By some estimates, a franchise can make close to $1 million per playoff home game. Although it would be an enormous gamble, the Spurs may be preparing to defy our expectations and absorb the luxury tax in the hopes that the excess revenue from a deep playoff run will offset the costs. I will do some research and try to find out how much the team made in ‘07, ‘08, and ‘09. If there was a significant drop in the Spurs ‘09 revenue, there may be some truth to this idea. (I’m hardly the first person to propose that this business strategy may work for an NBA team, but I have never seen hard numbers that prove its validity.)

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by CMoney on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I read this. He also makes the point, and I didn’t catch it until after I posted, that the 2010 free agency market is going to be a free for all with buyers.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good post, ATS. I’m just as excited as everyone, and RC’s interview hints at additional surprises.

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by LatinD on Jun 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I know some people will think this is blasphemous, but I think I’d rather have had Carter, as long as Ian or George wasn’t a part of the deal.

Give a man a chicken and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to chicken and he'll call you crazy and question your command of the English language.

by Aaronstampler on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I spent some time thinking about that myself. I think I’d prefer Jefferson over Carter, but the first round pick would have been nice and might have swayed me. I think Jefferson is a better fit than Carter would have been, mostly because he is better defensively. Also, though, because Vince likes to dribble a lot (which we already have enough of with Tony) and will disengage when things get interesting. I can’t remember how many times he quit trying against us once Bruce got after him.

Still, I think it is a tough one.

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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really guys?

Carter (+ draft pick, and forget that draft pick since it’s such an atrocious draft) for same guys plus Mason? VINCE Carter, no less; the worst fit for a SPURS uni since Rodman. Not to mention the fact that RJ’s nearly as good the scorer, and has far more left in the tank at this point of their respective careers. No way that deal’s better. We struck gold with this one.

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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dang, we agree again SiMA. You have to stop making sense! :)

RJ is younger, is owed less money, has shown a propensity to play some defense, and will fit in better with the ego-less Spurs. Carter has never shown the ability to exude effort for 48 minutes, much less a whole season. We don’t need a diva, just someone content and with the ability to be a good #4 option.

We thank you, Bruce.

by CapHill on Jun 24, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree SiMA. And Jefferson, as ATS pointed out in another post, isn’t a clear out guy that will make our offense go stagnent. We already have three players who need the ball a fair amount of time to be effective (Tony especially). Vince demands the ball probably even more than Tony and it would be very hard him to fit in. Jeferson can get his own as a by product of good offense and good players around him, not just isos and 15 screens to get him open (Ray Allen)….I think Jefferson will be a great fit.

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by Manuwar on Jun 24, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should add that when needed Jefferson can be a go to guy who creates his own shots. He’s just the best of both worlds as far as our needs go.

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by Manuwar on Jun 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of the draft pick to sweeten the deal, but giving Mason away would immediately negate that. Isn’t Vince’s salary even more atrocious, though? Not the better deal to my mind, but I’m no expert.

Bring back Bruce, and free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 24, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carter has at least 33 million of guaranteed money. Jefferson has just over 29 million with no extra money commitment. beyond the 2010-11 season.

I think that’s probably one aspect of why the Spurs thought Jefferson was the better overall deal. Especially since they’re likely to pay more luxury tax.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What will be interesting is if Mason is the player we trade to move into the first round still. I can’t imagine getting anything near the 11th pick for him. Clearly, the FO is willing to trade him.

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

carter is a shooting guard who cant defend and wont defend shooting guards. Good luck putting him against the Lebrons and Carmelos of the world

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by Chilai on Jun 24, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’re just hating on RJ because we didn’t get Azubuike instead.

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by CMoney on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

you’re right. I’d rather have azubuike. It’d be cheaper.

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by Aaronstampler on Jun 24, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could even look further into what we traded than you did….

Bruce: $4 to keep him or $2 million to cut him…i think we wanted to keep him…Now we’ve shifted his $4 million to a star player’s contract and will resign him at 1.3 which the league will assist you (thanks ATS for the insight on that)

Fabricio: 34 year old coming off of heart surgery owed 3.6 million….also see Bruce above if we resign him…shifting a deal that became bad into money more or less well spent

KT: 4 million to someone who gives us 18 mpg…he came in and defended shaq and we beat PHX like we were supposed to last year but against Dallas this year and even NO and LA last year….we’ve now rolled that unproductive 18 minutes into a 32-35 mpg star SF

10.3 million dollars of un-production just got moved…think about that when you see RJ’s 35 and Bowen’s 20 mpg at the end of the season

and KT….we traded Brent Barry (hurt on a 5 million dollar contract), Elson, and our 25th pick in this draft for him….Barry returned on a better contract after he had healed and that 25th pick would be useful but it didn’t defend shaq last year…basically we gave up Elson and a 25th pick for $4 million dollars of Jefferson and 107 games of KT at a reasonable price

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Great stuff ATS

I have the same problem with the Kings trying to “clear” cap space for 2010. How many real big name FA’s are out there that will be a good signing 5 years after the Kings signed them? 5 guys? 10 maybe?

Manu Ginobili isn’t that guy, and I would be hard pressed to find bigger fanboys of Manu than here. But, how many of you believe Manu has 6 good years left at the level he’s played for the bulk of his time in SA? Yuh, me too.

I don’t even think Dirk Nowitzki has 6 high caliber years left either. Yao Ming? (It’s a shame about Yao. I would have loved to see a healthy Yao over a full career as a fan.)

The 2010 FA market is one of the most stupid overrated farces of all time, and considering this is the NBA we’re talking about here, that’s really saying something.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

For guys getting max deals, I think only Wade, James, and Bryant will be worth the money. Others either aren’t worth max deals – see Bosh, Anthony, Stoudemire or are two old – see Manu, Dirk.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 24, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anthony doesn't have an opt out I thought

Because he signed a 5 year deal.

But, I’m on the fence with Bosh, and everyone else I absolutely agree with you.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Usually ATS

Players get opt outs a year before their deal ends. That’s why Wade, Bosh and LBJ signed a 4 year deal with only 3 years before they could opt out.

On the other hand, Anthony signed a 5 year deal. That’s why I believe he has a 2011 option to opt out. He also has a trade kicker, but that’s probably pretty insignificant all things considering.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think manu has about 2-3 more years to play as a all star calaber player. After that he probaly be a vetran role player coming off the bench. Hopefully in San Antinio.

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by Manu-20 on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

Good points all. I think Jefferson brings things to the table that the Spurs really need. There are some question marks, but I think he’ll overcome most of those by being on a team with proven leadership and coaching.

by Big50 on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for putting this out there, ATS. I too, have wondered why so many talk about 2010 free agency like it is the Holy Grail.

I will say, though, that the front office and ownership didn’t just realize that they could create more opportunities by exceeding the luxury tax limit – the Spurs have been over the limit before. More importantly, they have done an excellent job in working with cap space.

by 4Him on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Big News

I hate to interrupt this “Business 101” meeting, but the USA is kickin’ world #1 Spain’s butt in the Confederations Cup semifinals. The USA leads 2-0 with about 10 min left. Spain currently has a 35-game unbeaten streak, so this would be a HUGE win!

by 4Him on Jun 24, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy crap! Well, I was recording that to watch after work. I’m now really really looking forward to it!! Woot!

by Big50 on Jun 24, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Carter and 11th Pick for what we traded and Mason is what the Spurs ideal would have been…

We “settle” and I use the term loosely on keeping Mason, not getting the 11th pick, and Jefferson instead of Carter. RC has clearly said that getting into the first round is still a priority. I’m not sure the FO would do Mason for 11th pick straight up.
If they would, I don’t see the Nets doing it.
So let’s say they wouldn’t. That means our FO sees Mason as expendable to some extent to getting someone in the draft. I propose:

Mason and one of the late second rounders to Minny for picks 18 and 28. You could also add one of the bigs (not named Etan Thomas because he is too expensive) they got from Washington for Marcus Williams.

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

you could throw in bonner if you wanted to try for Etan

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

we could also offer cash or next years picks since they will be terrible after we dominate the league with a sick record

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we are to ship bonner and mason how about trying to get camby for them?

by arnav on Jun 24, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I like Camby

I would rather have a young PF/C to learn under Duncan instead of a 35 yr old with a 10 million dollar contract.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In an ideal world that might be true but if we want to win now, a veteran, good defensive player like camby is a great option. and his contract is only for one year. plus we’re giving away just over 7 million in such a trade.

by arnav on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is still a lot.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hirschof is right…we’re already over the cap so that 10 million becomes 20 million dollars on the franchise…..much better to bet on 5 young players 1-2 million dollars each than Camby

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we are giving back just over 7 million, so we add about 2.5 million.

by arnav on Jun 24, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

But then we have a new hole and less money to fill it. Not to mention the other holes in the roster.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, the traded salaries (since we are over the cap) need to come within the league required 125% (+$100,000).

So the trade doesn’t quite work.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it is possible to add marcus williams for example like BlaseE suggested below but it will make the whole thing a little bit too much.

by arnav on Jun 24, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be more exact....

where is this 7.58 million coming from? lets say Bonner, Mason, and marcus williams (just under 8 million)…That is Camby plus 2 more players you have to pay. Even second rounders or veterans are likely to cost an absolute minimum of 900k to 1 million so take on 12 million and lose 8 going out to the clippers so 4 million which doubles to 8 million plus having an old center who can play 25 minutes a game or so and two bottom barrel second rounders/veterans/d-leaguers….there has to be a better way

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

draftexpress has a history of being pretty accurate so….the 18th and 28th picks could get us:

Key names after 18 and Before 28:
Sam Young, Dajuan Blair, Austin Daye, DeMarre Carrol, Omri Casspi,Taj Gibson

Key names at/after 28 and before 37:
Chase Budinger, Jonas Jerebko, Victor Claver

At/After 37:
Josh Heytvelt, Jeff Pendergraph, Sergio Llull, Danny Green

You may see other key names I’m not that familiar with. I see some pretty good names at those spots that could compete for roster spots.

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Washington Post
According to a league source, the Wizards tried to pry the No. 18 pick from Minnesota but the Timberwolves balked

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s already been that this trade likens the chances that Gist will make the roster. I’d also like to think and hope that trading away 2 bigs likens the chances of us grabbing DeMarre Carrol in the second round…that is if we don’t move up.

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by Manuwar on Jun 24, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry

I dont think gist is coming back to san antonio this sesaon. I heard that he is going to resign with his international team.

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by Manu-20 on Jun 24, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did you hear that? I think you may be thinking of Splitter, Javtokas, or Bourousis.

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Gist. The list of players the SPURS are losing/fighting to keep with foreign teams is endless.

"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA

by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 24, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Spurs still own Gist’s rights. The Spurs made a 1 year deal with his Italian team. See Gist’s interview on 48MoH. He desperately wants to be an NBA player and the Spurs just forged a golden ticket for him to get on.

Did we really just add a player good enough to be guarded by Bruce Bowen?

by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes that’s the last I heard on Gist. I can’t imagine he would sign in Italy if given the choice to play for the Spurs.

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by Manuwar on Jun 24, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can imagine it, but in the scenario he has a gun to his head while he’s signing.

I want my Bruuuuuuuuce

by J.R. Wilco on Jun 25, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh by the way great post ATS, as usual.

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by Manuwar on Jun 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The loss in 2010 is disappointing

But Shaq is the only max-free agent ever to win a title with his new team ,and Free Agency is far from a sure thing and I had no delusions of Lebron wearing Sliver and Black, I had a glimmer of hope for Bosh b/c of his Texas roots.

But getting a guy as good as RJ for so little cant be constituted in a negative light, especially if they bring back Bowen and/or Oberto.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 24, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

2010?

Why do you guys keep talking about 2010. There is now way we get somone to come here with our team. This makes us a better team now who can contined even more now for a championship. Not to metion jefferson isnt to bad at d either. At this point in his career i say he about as good at D as bowen was last season. Still better than what finely can bring.

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SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)

by Manu-20 on Jun 24, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

We need rahseed.

Some of you may dissagree wiht me. This is a good siging if we can get him. In the encomy we have he probaly wont get as much money as he wants. He might even want to come with the spurs for less cause he knows they might have a shot at a title. He can help us get bakc to our deffensive way. Imange a line up of parker,mason,jefferson,duncan,rasheed. I be scared to death if i were a oppent goign up aginst that team. He might be a risk but it a risk worth taking.

GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)

by Manu-20 on Jun 24, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone listen to live interview of Pop?

He talked about most of the stuff we been talking about in the trade. Somebody asked him the exact question answered in this post, and Pop pretty much gave a similar answer.

I think the journalist’s question to Pop was worded as " Do you think the FO got as good a player as they were targeting in 2010" and his answer was, something along the lines of “I believe so. 2010 they are all gonna make more money than they deserve”.

by LionZion on Jun 24, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

See, what you don’t know is that I’m really Pop.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 24, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

keep the beard!!

gospursgo. hook 'em. metal rules. ganja rules.

by metalandganja on Jun 24, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, what’s up man? I was thinking about you in the last couple days and wondering where you had been. I mean, you have the all-time best avatar bar none.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 24, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree. metalandganja’s avatar is a classic.

by silverandblack_davis on Jun 25, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

his avatar is like the anti-mine

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by Chilai on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

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Nerf_reactor_small CapHill

Screen_shot_2011-12-02_at_4 Josh Guyer (completely deck)

Player

08playoffshappybench_medium_small Justin Biehle

Smuggler-design_small transgojobot

Duncan_small SpursfanSteve

Manu_the_grey_small DrumsInTheDeep

376094_10100544199117568_16706926_51964808_1200814736_n_small MatthewTynan

Ref

Halloween_06_028_small alamobro