San Antonio Spurs trade for Richard Jefferson
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM CDT
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ESPN is reporting the following trade. Richard Jefferson for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas, and Fabricio Oberto.
Holy cow. Well, that sure changes things.
Salary Implications
The Spurs, interestingly, took on a fair amount of salary in this trade. For 09-10, they went from $11.6 million to $14.2 million. Possibly, one of the reasons this happened today is because we are still in fiscal year '09 where the numbers were 13.2 to 11.8. Not sure if that was a factor or not in making the salaries work.
I suspect the Bucks will buy out both Bowen and Oberto to free up another $3.9 million on their books. The math there is that Bowen at $4 million and Oberto at $3.8 million are guaranteed half. The buyout money, all $3.9 million, would count against the Bucks salary cap for next year, but it still would give them extra room for resigning some of their players. I don't think they could buy them out now and have it count against their '09 numbers. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
Enough about the Bucks, what about the Spurs? I think we are in an interesting position. Jefferson, needless to say, is a huge uprade over Michael Finley/Bruce Bowen on the wing. (For these purposes, I'm counting Manu as our two-guard). Jefferson shot 39.7% from 3-pt last year which is first and foremost what a wing player needs to provide to the Spurs offensively. He provides somebody that can run with Tony and Manu (and George). He HAS to be better off the dribble than Bruce and Michael. He is most assuredly a better defender than FinDog, and likely almost as good as Bruce at this stage of Bruce's career.
Probably my favorite aspect of this trade is that the Spurs brought in a guy who I believe can do more than just shoot. He's not a Ray Allen or Rashard Lewis who, to be effective, have to have plays run for them. He's also not a clear out his side of the court and let him work guy like say, um, Vince Carter or Allen Iverson. I think he is a guy who can produce by fitting into what the Spurs do. Not the other way around.
Roster Implications
Up front, we need some help. Right now, our front line looks like Tim, Matt, Ian. Phew!!! That's the good news. The bad news is that the Jefferson trade should put us OVER the luxury tax threshold for next season. My preliminary calculations have us at $69.5 million without Finley picking up his option and with only 8 roster spots filled.
Yet another thing to like about this trade is that we didn't give up any draft picks. Not any of our #2's this year. Not a future #1. Not the rights to any of our previous picks. I likey.
We have more moves in the works, or we are playing small ball. Really small.
Here is our current roster:
PG: Tony(12.6), George(1.1)
SG: Manu(10.7), Roger(3.8)
SF: Jefferson(14.2), Williams(.8)
PF: Bonner(3.0), Mahinmi(.9)
C: Duncan(22.2)
The Outlook
Yeah, 69.3 and Williams isn't even guaranteed. I know this sounds crazy, but the Spurs may be going OVER the luxury tax in an attempt to win a title in the next two years. Might as well bring in Rasheed at the MLE.
This almost certainly will energize the Spurs fan base and stimulate ticket sales. Sometimes it pays not to be boring. Right now, we aren't boring.
I'm going to have to buy Pop a bottle of wine while I'm in Vegas.
LET"S GET IT ON.
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Crap. Congrats San Antonio, you now have a wing scorer.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now, if Bruce gets bought out and comes home I will be a very happy man.
With KT and Fab gone, our front line is beyond thin.
This will be a VERY, VERY interesting offseason for the Spurs.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking Pop and RC have a plan for the front line. Not sure what it could be, though. This is a great move, especially if Bruce comes back.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you on Bruce, know this is a business but damn I hate to see him leave.
Timmy D .... enough said.
by Ms. Smith on Jun 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least now, we only have one position to worry about. All the talk of the Spurs moving up in the draft are probably now defunct. Bruce’s salary is unguaranteed (which means he’ll probably be bought out) and here’s RJ’s contract info. Woo Hoo!
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, no linking to ShamSports. That’s my reference site. Hmmphhh, women. Don’t know their limits.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooooorrrrry. Didn’t know providing information to others would set off the Cranky Old Fart.
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid to mouse over “Cranky Old Fart” to find it is a link to an image.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to disappoint, so here you go.
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God Bless you for serving this up for me.
Women, know your limits.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?… don’t you think it’s time to change your repertoire?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jun 23, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you prove my point….
But,
1. He served it up, I had to.
2. It never gets old.
3. She obviously hadn’t seen it yet or bothered to retain it, and it commanded repeating.
4. Don’t take your LosingBruceSadness out on me, I’m just as heartbroken as you.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. You’re both 12
2. It’s the definition of old
3. She’s just being kind… Cap is like that.
4. And yes, I could be trying cope with the loss of Mr. Potato Head by picking on Simian, Simba, I mean Sima.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jun 23, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. They’re both old farts.
2. It’s kinda old, but it’s still funny.
3. Love ya, Cap.
4. He’ll be back, leaner and meaner than ever.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. We’re ALL old farts at heart or we wouldn’t be Spurs fans.
2. It is old, but I’m used to misogynists who think they’re funny.
3. Yes, I remember the first time you trotted out this tired act SiMA, but ATS did serve up a nice fat one for you.
4. And BRUUUUUUUUUCE will be missed – consummate professional and class act.
by CapHill on Jun 24, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, San Antonio still exists?
You assholes are never going to go away, are you?
I’m assuming Milwaukee is waiving Bowen and Oberto’s salaries (though Skiles may be salivating at the mouth at the thought of playing Bruce Bowen 35 minutes a game), and the Spurs get to pick them on the cheap?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great trade for you guys
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the getting rid of three players to get one aspect of this. Means we have roster space for some of our young bucks.
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and an older buck?
he is only 29 but I couldn’t resist
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
I guess this means Gist is going to be primarily a 4 if he plays for us this year. And we better hope Ian is healthy.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get some Malik Hairston action as well
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halle-freakin-luyah
This was a very nice pickup. Bruce will be back by the end of the summer. Now the Spurs just need to shore up the front line. Who can we get for the mid-level? Gist and Ian will be bit players at best.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a 2009 Free agent list. Dunno what site I got it from and whether its reliable or not. http://www.sportscity.com/nba/2009-nba-free-agents
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Gooden comes back for the MLE?
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasho is a free agent again
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by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re back in the mix fellas. Now all we need is a front line. Ginobili for…….ha ha j/k LatinD. Well I think we should keep Splitter now. Get Ian some metal legs (its a risky operation but it’ll be worth it). Damn Im getting excited. Bruce, damn it you better be back by the start of the season or I’ll be pissed.
by Behind_the_arc on Jun 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woo-hoo! Bring back Bruce! I’m kinda excited!
Hi, my name is Ed, and I despise the Lakers.
by dfjmed on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salary
R.J.
2009/10 – $14.2 Mil
2010/11 – $15 Mil
Does this put a new contract for Manu at risk?
by BigFresh on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, but I think we’re out of the 2010 bidding for any of those big time FA’s.
by r21x on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay...
but do I have to change my profile pick of Bruce whacking Nancy Boy? I don’t know if I can do it.
by BigFresh on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leave it alone until the preseason games, at least. we oughtta know by then
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice trade
Not quite Gasol-ian, but still very nice. The Spurs definitely got the better of this deal. Jefferson will fit in nicely, especially if Ginobili is slow in his recovery.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KT is a great big to play with Al andthe bucks clear a ton of cap room
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he may have confused Minny with Milwaukee
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry my mind melted when i read the trade….
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it not Gasol-ian
We gave up two D- centers, and an aging defensive player, all of which are salaary dump possibilities… So that means we could get RJ, and lose only KT, because I dont think they are going to buy him out he is a good backup… So, you dump two bad salaries, gain a top 5 guard, and then get those two salaries back at the min… that is Jeffersonian
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by PM Productions on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson, as good as he is, is not a team changer like Gasol. He’s a solid role player not a top 5 guard.
Also, did you see what the Lakers gave up? Oh, right, nobody did.
I do like the Jeffersonian…nice
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats Wear we disagree
I think a star player, who address all of your teams needs, is a game changer
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by PM Productions on Jun 23, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really depends on how the player wheres the uniform though, as to weather or not he’s a star.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, how IS the whether in CO?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on weather you’re on the plains or in the Rockies.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have kept this going by saying “planes.” Now we gotta go back to talking about mythical creatures and medieval beings.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh HUH. Don’t think that your absence wasn’t noticed on that thread, by the way.
Not that I really expected you to take part. I mean, the only way I even got you to visit the fanpost was to name it so mysteriously that you didn’t know what it was about until you were already there.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to just post, “NERDS, I don’t have time for useless posts like this in the middle of my hectic work-out schedule,” but I figured that would be too easy for you.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We somehow managed to feel the love anyway.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wear Degree.
Does that count?
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer wash and where.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s wait and see how he plays in black and white before we compare him to Gasol, please.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson >> Finley or Bowen
That changes our team dramatically
solid role player? he is an all star and used to be 1/3rd of his own big 3….he was the best player on an NBA team last season (Redd was hurt)…he started 81 games and the next guy on his team started only 51….I don’t understand how he becomes a “role player”
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say he’s a role player the same way Manu was a role player in 2003—a guy with all-star level ability who is asked to contribute less.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see his FG% and his 3% going up. I don’t know if he’ll be as productive as he was in 2003, when we met his Nets in the Finals, but I think he’ll provide us with what the teams needs when he’s called on.
What more can you ask?
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the sudden debate in the national media over this move is stupid. Bottom line:
Jefferson > Bowen+KT+Fab
and
Jefferson >> KT+Fab
and
Jefferson >>> Finley
It’s a solid win all around by SA; and as soon as we fill the 5 void (by either buying back KT or picking up a servicable big) there’s absolutely no question.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We’ve just filled one of our holes with a better than expected player. Now it’s not as important to get a major player at 5, just a serviceable one, as you so nicely put it.
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
take this into consideration…..
In addition to a 2009 first-round pick, the trade for Thomas netted seldom-used center Francisco Elson and injured guard Brent Barry, a former Sonic from 1999 to 2004. Both players have contracts that expire after the season, and it’s likely that Barry, who has missed the past 3 ½ weeks with a left calf strain, will be offered a buyout on his $5.4 million contract.
Elson and a 25th pick in a weak draft for a year and a half of play by kurt thomas, salary relief on Barry’s bloated contract, and now $4 million of a trade to get us Richard Jefferson….that was one sweet deal
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the hits just keep ooooon coming
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you didn’t want to cross out those "and"s
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
priceless
you just can’t resist a mis-format, can you?
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 24, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you snagged that one.
:: putting a quarter in the English-speaker bad grammar/formatting jar ::
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 24, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t ask for more, but he’s not on the same level as Gasol…despite how much I am loathed to admit that.
Don’t get me wrong, Jefferson is good and I’m really happy we got him, but it’s not nearly the kind of deal the Lakers pulled to get Gasol….IMHO
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll agree with that
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also not as good as the deal that netted Phoenix Charles Barkley, or that the Cowboys did with the Vikings for Herschel Walker, but they can’t all be heists.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
god im happy, YES YES YES
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by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now don’t go pick up Sheed. That would be a scary team.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*emails RC
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another key to consider is that this gives us a huge selling point to any FA looking for a chip….it shows our FO is serious about the duncan window and if you’re willing to sacrifice a little pay to join the winning side, sign the dotted line….
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
great point
recced to the MLE
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oberto and Thomas are replacable
It’s more difficult to find a scoring wing like RJ that’s taller than 6’4
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oberto and Thomas are absolutely replacable. They were both way past their prime.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So will they be released immediately
And then can re-sign with the Spurs, though?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might still keep them for some big bodies
I wouldn’t be shocked if Oberto is waived though. It can’t happen immediately. The trade isn’t even official yet and there will be a waiting period.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF the Bucks waive Bowen and Thomas
The Bucks only have to pay about half of their salaries, but get to take the full salary off the Bucks’ books, so it seems like the Spurs are counting on that, so that when Bowen and Oberto pass through waivers, they can re-sign them to the other half of the contract that wasn’t guaranteed!
So to Bowen and Oberto end up getting the same amount of money (and maybe even more upfront than if they weren’t ever traded).
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't miss Thomas as an enforcer
All he did was rebound well. He didn’t intimidate anyone, and that “solid” mid-range shot was surprisingly suspect.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t watch many Spurs games, do you?
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I watch most of them. Thomas was way overrated as an enforcer and that role is way overremphasized. I’d rather have a guy who can move on D and hit shots, than a guy with a crazy look in his eye.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
But on the flip side, beggars can’t be choosers here. It’s tough to find a big man who doesn’t really hurt you when he’s on the floor, regardless of whether he ever lives up to his anticipated potential or not.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. And speaking of that Francisco Elson is available…uh oh.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, you don’t watch much.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas shot over 50% in 2009. Is a +80% FT shooter. He is great at taking charges, making shots difficult for everybody, setting picks/screens, and rarely turns the ball over.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Mad Eye, he was an underrated rebounder for most of the season, and probably our third best player when Bonner cooled down. However, in my opinion, his strengths were those: the long 2, rebounding, defense. Not being a enforcer.
What are we talking about when we say “enforcer”, anyway? He’s not a player that was overly physical or made hard fouls to prove the team was committed, which is what people typically call a “enforcer”. (Think Fisher for the Lakers.) We don’t have a player like that right now, and I’m not sure even Bowen was one.
Maybe Horry when he kicked some Canadian butt.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely, Horry. Rewatch the last quarter of Game 7 of the 2005 Finals. He’s EVERYWHERE and there are multiple examples of him subtly, and sometimes not so subtly, enforcing and keeping Detroit off-balance.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 24, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch plenty. My guess is I have a little more experience in evaluating a big man than you.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas was our aggresive big body
Who is going to be our enforcer under the basket? Bonner? Pfft…
I don’t want more work on Duncan’s legs.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some centers/pfs that stood out:
Pachulia
Mihm (is his career over due to injuries? If not maybe he could get it untracked back in Texas)
Marks (he’s a good luck charm)
Okur (too expensive I am sure, unless his injuries are lingering)
Etan Thomas
Jarron Collins (meh)
Jason Collins (bleeh)
Sheed (can he be had for so cheap?)
Chris Wilcox (what happened to this guy? He was set to have a big year with OKC and then flopped)
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Pachulia could help also
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how available would be be, really?
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I’m looking at says he’s unrestricted FA, but this could be way off
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by Windex40 on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from mavsmoneyball... :)
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2009/6/23/922370/spurs-pick-up-jefferson
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by dfjmed on Jun 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
excellent
I worried the Spurs might have used their mid-level on Trevor Ariza.
Will they try to sign Gortat?
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by ignign*kt on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, banger, rebounder, not bad defense, steady mid-range J … I wouldn’t say “no”.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gortat would be a good fit, but he’s going to cost too much.
by Neuwaldegg on Jun 23, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how's the spurs cap situation?
i’m thinking SA should try for Gortat
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by misterterrific on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
An athlete on the team...this will be sweet
This team really needed another guy who can get to the FT line when the offense bogs down. Plus Jefferson is pretty good at the three ball as well.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid trade for the Spurs, but are we so sure Bruce is going to be waived by the Bucks? I don’t see that happening myself.
by Art_M on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems a very likely possibility
His contract is non-guaranteed. It won’t cost the Bucks anything. I doubt they really want him now. They want to get their young guys some PT.
Even if Bruce does not return, the trade is great. Bruce is pretty ancient right now.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce is still effective in tight spots and showed that last year. His off the bench defense and knowledge is rare and valuable.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce still got minutes in the playoffs which means he is still a contributor…plus he is a great mentor to hill and all the other rookies we use to fill the back end of this now salary bloated roster
minimum for Bruce is 1.3 million per year which is only .4 million more than a rookie would make….that is a bargain for our franchise…he knows the system and i think its really important he finishes here
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, and this is very important, the league picks up part of the tab of the veteran minimum.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He deserves nothing less.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be happy to keep him
But it’s not going to kill the Spurs if he doesn’t come back.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have no shot at a championship or contention. They have a young movement, I dont see them willing to sacrifice minutes to a 36 year old SF withouth offensive game. But then again, Skiles is the Bucks coach…….. (i remember seeing lots of duhon, adrian griffin, malik allen and the like in the bulls)
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by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce just turned 38, he was 36 in 07-08
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so that makes my point stronger
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does...as you can see I made the same point as well
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by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it’s VWolf. Long time no see. How’s JR Giddens?
Haha. Couldn’t resist. I’ll be thinking of you when I’m wearing my George Hill jersey in Vegas.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still take Giddens over Hill
Giddens lit up the NBDL and he will be a solid NBA player.
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by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-11
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait and see. Hill is OK, but he does not have Giddens freakish athleticism.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes…and Tim Duncan doesn’t have the freakish athleticism of Kenyon Martin.
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hill is OK. I didn’t realize there were so many fanboys for him over here. I do like Hill BTW, I just think Giddens career will exceed his. We will have to wait and see though. Neither player has shown much at this point.
K-Mart has not been that athletic since his knee injury but who cares? That isn’t a very good parallel.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take Hill’s great athleticism, defense, hustle, and promising jump shot. He fits Pop’s mold.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a description of Giddens, except he is more athletic, a better defender, and a 2-guard.
I do think we needed a PG more, so I really don’t have a problem with Hill. I just think that Giddens is going to surprise some people on this board in the coming years.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure you can say he’s a better defender. George was a good defender last year against the men. Not in the D-league.
But, we’ll see. I’m glad you are still on the Giddens bandwagon. It shows integrity.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen both of them play. Giddens is 6’5" with long arms and he’s an outstanding athlete and defender. It would have been incredible to have him study under Bowen.
It is silly to bash Giddens for playing in the d-league. Boston just did not have room for him.
With all due respect to Hill’s defensive abilities, he is solid, but he appears much better because nobody else at the 1 plays a lick of defense for the Spurs.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn’t silly. He played in the D-League regardless of the reason.
And I would say Tony’s defense has improved over the last few years. Not solid but nearly the liability he once was.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and that reason was he was on the Celtics. Had the Spurs not needed a backup PG so desperately, Hill would have also been on the NBDL.
Tony’s D certainly did not look good in the playoffs this year, but of course his O more than made up for it.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying the Celtics couldn’t have used a super-athletic backup for Ray Allen? As I recall, they were hurting at the backup wing spots all season.
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by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I am saying that the Celtics had no minutes for him. Ray Allen averaged 36 minutes per game. Reliable 3 point shooter Eddie House averaged 18 minutes. At 6’5" Giddens is really a 2-guard and there was no time for him there. They did the smart thing and kept him playing ball in the d-league.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not bashing him, I’m saying he is unproven. The D-League isn’t NEAR the caliber of play. Ian tore up the D-Leauge. Marcus Williams tore up the D-League. That doesn’t translate is all I’m saying. I’ve seen what George can do in the pros and that doesn’t have to translate. It is. If you know what I mean.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what the D-league is. I am just not as impressed as you with what George has done in the pros. His shooting is just over 40% and that is not too hot.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you aren’t easy to knock off the bandwagon!
Hey, are you in New Mexico?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I am in Portland. Blazers fans are worried about this trade.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, both Hill’s and Giddens’ careers are just begining. It is way too early to be mocking my my Giddens fandom. ;-) At least wait until he has a chance in the big league and until Hill can start shooting better than Pargo.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET!
WOOOO! This just made my Tuesday.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, hope really is a good thing. Maybe I should change my sig to “I hope Orlando trades us Dwight Howard for the rights to Tiago Splitter.”
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I updated the post, so refresh it if you haven’t in a while.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good news
I like the move, wish Bruce could have stayed, hope he comes back when they cut him, just to retire here if nothing else.
Now it’s time for a big.
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SHEED SHEED
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rasheed?
That will be Pop’s greatest coaching job EVER
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
The only coach he had problems with was doormat Mo Cheeks, but under strong personality coaches he has fallen in line.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t think Sheed would be a problem with the Spurs. He didn’t care last season, but I think being around a group of vets that have an ardent desire to win, he’ll fall in line.
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by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he has the balls to give Duncan or Pops lip.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a huge problem with Dunleavy
In fact, they brought in Cheeks (a black coach) to appease Sheed.
I still think he will play well for Pop though.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he had problems with Flip Saunders as well, if I remember correctly.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on board with that at this point.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chilai feels the need . . . the need for SHEED.
by Lauri on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES YES, for god’s sake, sign sheed, resign bowen and….. wow my head just exploded, too much for me
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
by Chilai on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we sign TP to an extension and pay him all the money after TD retires?
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scola
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That might be a bannable offense. You buzzkill.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(You don't need) Scola
Obviously, I was implying the part in parentheses
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldn’t hurt.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then again, if we had Scola, the FO arguably wouldn’t have been in these trade talks.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had Scola, we would have won our third consecutive championship. Also, the financial sector and mortgage lending industry would have acted responsibly, and health care would be affordable, due to the surplus of low cost green energy. Alas, if only…
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola is a very influential player, for sure
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he can heal the planet too.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hurt so much watching him in a non-Spurs uniform tear up the Blazers…
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know how much we have to pay Gist?
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a second round pick. It’s completely negotiable. However, I’d guess it is in the 700-800K range.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we sign manu to his extension now and agree and a total payout over x years but make the next two lower amounts to accommodate RJ’s contract? resigning manu is absolutely crucial now and I’d rather see it now then after this season
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATS (I don't know if anyone commented on this already)
But, I’d like to address this particular statement:
I don’t think they could buy them out now and have it count against their ‘09 numbers. That would be interesting, wouldn’t it?According to Coon’s FAQ, the salary only counts on the last day of the regular season towards the luxury tax and what not.
So, what you say abut counting vs the 09 numbers, or this past season, it would not. The numbers would only be applicable for the 09-10 season. That’s why both teams can afford to do it now.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, thanks. I’m still not sure how buyout money effects salary cap money. Something to research I suppose.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you like
I can write it in a fanpost or leave it in a long comment here.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, how about a Fanpost? It will get lost here.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Gimme a couple hours. It won’t take me very long. I just need a soda from 7-11 first. LOL
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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson is
Sean Elliot 3000
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s an android? Awesome! Does he have human emotions?
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe 1.5…..not 3000
you could go with Elliot2009?
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad Mrs. Elliot didn’t name him Andre
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dun think I saw any Bucks game last season…howz Jefferson playing nowadays? Does he pass the eye test on still being quite effective. Two years ago, he was really good. Now?
Still this is good news. But from the post above, really confused about the cap situation. Spurs going into luxury tax seems really out of whack.
by LionZion on Jun 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they’re just going for broke during what’s left of the Duncan/Manu window. And I like it.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna believe that. But we have to replace bigs. Only 8 players on roster so far. If they pull this off, time to make a shrine for RC and Pop.
by LionZion on Jun 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I feel like another trade is coming. I have nothing to justify it, just a feeling.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too, but for a big this time.
ohpleaseohpleasenotmanuplease.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have something to justify. It is just not like the Spurs to get over the luxury tax threshold. But how could you make a trade to dump money now?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue but I think we’ll see something that will make us even more proud of the Spurs FO
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, do I hope you’re right.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason ain’t over folks. Spurs will bring in some other big men. Matt Bonner is nobody’s starting power forward.
by r21x on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup. No way they go over the salary cap with RJ to have their championship dreams scuttled by starting Ginger at PF. Hopefully this makes the team more attractive to a good free agent big out there.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should play him as the left benchwarmer
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’d excel there
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, someone has to take over the JV’s job.
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
48 MOH says we struck OIL
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This last paragraph just made me do a Tiger Woods fist pump in the middle of my office.
As I write this, my head keeps going back to something that might be missed in all this. San Antonio is good to its fans. Here is a team that is committed to winning. After being bounced in the first round, they could have faded from view just as everyone expected them to. But instead, they got off the mat and started swinging. They’re a small market team with a relatively poor ownership group in a bad economy. And they just added a big contract to their books when 1/2 the league is trying to shed cap. Take note.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make me laugh… embarrassing in front of my office mates
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- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a team that is committed to winning.
True. And . . . it makes the (relative) frugality of the last few years and the "hometown discount" that TD gave us a couple of years back look even smarter than they already did.
by Lauri on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering when this was gonna come up. Finally it looks to TD like we’re truthfully committed to helping him out and maximizing his time.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
::wiping away a tear::
I love my Spurs.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a chance that he (Jefferson) gets traded for draft picks?
The #21 is Lord
by ddog28 on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a restriction against trading someone again within a given time span. However, the Spurs are looking to win now, so I’d guess there’s zero probability that that happens, even if it is allowed.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would doubt it because they acquired a serious team need in RJ.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from his specialty play… I hope Bowen comes back because I want more Bowen HEB commercials.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
love the spurs HEB commercials
"What excites me the most is when a coach calls a timeout and chews out his forward because I just dunked on his head."
--Karl Malone
by spurscitizen on Jun 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how could RJ fill that void?
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious!
Thanks…that was my first time seeing that.
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by VWolf on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one, SiMA.
I particularly love how Barry constantly forgets to play the guitar, and when he does, it’s in time with the words he’s saying.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I have read conflicting reports on ST. Does this trade mean Manu is off the trading block and we are buckling down, or does all this luxury tax talk mean, Manu could be traded? Howz that make sense.
by LionZion on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk about raining on the parade…I don’t see how that move would make sense.
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol. Until things settle down, I am paranoid. Its not Spurs heaven yet until the master plan is revealed.
by LionZion on Jun 23, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonner and Mason look like trade bait to me.
I need Camby in Black and Silver now.
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by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind seeing Sheed.
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by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check this out
“It might even open up the door for them to let Ginobili walk, though do they give up Bowen and Manu for Jefferson?”
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25857/bucks_deal_richard_jefferson_to_spurs
by 4Him on Jun 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous. If they traded for RJ it’s because they want to win now, and use Timmy and Manu’s window. Manu is now untradeable.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly…manu has an excellent contract and is an excellent player…you don’t trade away all of your expiring contracts and an all star for one all star with a bloated contract….our FO is saying “break the bank! win now!”
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed – I just don’t see how you can read it any other way.
At least, now that Stamps worst fears have been proved impossible I don’t see how.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I was already confident that 2009-2010 will be a strong season, but now that I see RC & Pop swinging for the fences, I’m stoked!
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by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And here I was ready for a(nother) boring offseason.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? You didn’t expect some big changes?
by 4Him on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope, yes. Expect, no.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES WE CAN!
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Jun 23, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of all things, and no good thing ever dies.
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by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, I love that movie.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
by bellasa on Jun 23, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the spurs have a shott a za za pachulia.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
by Manu-20 on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m busy at work…. and all hell breaks loose.
This is a very good trade, but I hope we get Bruce back.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
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by bellasa on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF, guys… I check this freaking site compulsively, and the one day I decide to listen to George Calvin instead, the Spurs’ FO does this?
Unbelievable.
I have to admit I’m pretty sad to see Bowen go. If we can sign him back and then find a serviceable backup perfect, I think we’re in for the long haul.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good. i’m good even though this is the second one of my spurs heroes to be gone in the last two off-seasons. will root/hope for bruce to come back. i always thought RJ was a whiny wuss though. no doubt about his skills and how they will fit with what our spurs need.
i wonder about where roger fits into all this right now. his minutes appear to be on the decline.
all the sudden, i am kind of thinking that sheed is the next piece of this puzzle here after all. i had given up on that move, but if we are going to shell out some cash – like ATS points out – why not?
by bones on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RoMaJu obviously goes to the backup PG, and Hill goes to the D-League.
Duh!
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
Seriously, though, RoMaJu just turned into our… 5th option? Maybe the 4th in the clutch. That’s not bad, not bad at all.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this honestly seems like a more suitable spot for mace, as much as we all liked what he did for most of last season. good to have depth/options.
by bones on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There won’t be roster spot available for Hill on the Toros after Yawn get customarily sent down in August.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by bones on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn isn’t eligible for the Toros anymore, unless he gives up his roster spot/contract.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mason at Pg was a failed experiment.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did lead us to the first round of the playoffs. Many teams can’t say that.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that lead us.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn't
“led”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was of course kidding. He sucks at the point.
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by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see why this is the case. Start tony, romaju and RJ. Bring Manu of the bech as always, hill backup PG. Am I missing something?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoopsie…
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jun 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No prob, LE, but I’m starting to learn that the little voice that tells me, “You might want to add some sarcasm included to the bottom of this post.” kinda knows what it’s talking about.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just because it’s the offseason that our collective sarcasmometer is off. I’d bet that by the time the regular season rolls around, everyone will be back to their usual snarky selves!
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so, CapHill, because I’m tired of listening to the other little voice that tells me, “See, jrw, these people don’t really know you. They think you’re stupid enough to be serious about sending Hill down to the D-League.”
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You only have one little voice in your head? Last time I counted, I had around 20.
by CapHill on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it’s a versatile voice.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need more smilies.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. You’re right. I know you’re right.
But I just can’t emoticon all over the place.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 24, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my only point is the roger goes a step down the pecking order, so to speak. he’s less likely to get those gravy mintues down the stretch than he was this year.
by bones on Jun 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce is coming back, no way this happens for him to retire in……purple and green.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be truly unfortunate on so many levels.
I want my Manu!
by jollyrogerwilco on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap this is great. I was just writing a piece on trading bruce bowen, if only I had published it you would all be calling me a profit right now. I’m overjoyed about this trade
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by Manuwar on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you’d have only published that piece in a newspaper before today, you might have even made a prophet on it.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely hilarious, SiMa.
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha i suck
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by Manuwar on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re a “profit?”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like trading a poo-poo platter for Richard Jefferson!
Great trade by the Spurs … F#*^!!!!!!!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing better would be trading a poo-poo platter for Pau Gasol, huh?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking we trade some moo goo gai pan for Marc Gasol now.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was ridiculous as well.
Anytime you can make a trade to get an impact player for some washed up or non-pivitol guys you gotta do it. Great job by the Spurs!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thanks.
Any chance you guys might want to part with Nene? We need a guy with one name and you need a guy with red hair.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d also take Birdman, given the salary considerations.
Free James Gist!
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by Tim C. on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, some guy on the Nuggets blog had a trade idea that would net us a studly 4.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hellz yeah!!! I just peed in my pants (a little)! Gonna miss Bruce though, he was the (dirty)consumate professional with lots of savvy.
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he’ll be back.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Bucher
On ESPN radio just said this doesn’t help the Spurs become title contenders. They need a “young Robert Horry” in order to be on top.
I thought more of this guy….not that I wouldn’t mind a young Robert Horry, but this team doesn’t have a serious chance?
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s out and out wrong with that opinion, but as an ESPN sheep he has to discredit the Spurs whenever possible.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet this move insures the Lakers a repeat too, right? Something else the Spurs never did? * rolls eyes to ESPN *
Hi, my name is Ed, and I despise the Lakers.
by dfjmed on Jun 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is also saying that after our first big move…..i doubt our FO is done considering our roster is missing lots of spots now….
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buc is a pretty good bball mind, but he's wrong here ...
Sure the Spurs need some better inside help for Timmy, but this was a heck of a trade and puts them right back into the thick of things with their BIG 4
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs aren’t anywhere yet until they address the PF/C situation.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Hirschof on Jun 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll make a move. Sheed’s in the mix, I’m telling you.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on Jun 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we need a center, let’s trade Tony for Adonal Foyle? What is Olowokandi up to these days?
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Jun 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Olowokandi…worst #1 overall pick ever??
Hi, my name is Ed, and I despise the Lakers.
by dfjmed on Jun 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs