San Antonio Spurs trade for Richard Jefferson
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM CDT
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ESPN is reporting the following trade. Richard Jefferson for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas, and Fabricio Oberto.
Holy cow. Well, that sure changes things.
Salary Implications
The Spurs, interestingly, took on a fair amount of salary in this trade. For 09-10, they went from $11.6 million to $14.2 million. Possibly, one of the reasons this happened today is because we are still in fiscal year '09 where the numbers were 13.2 to 11.8. Not sure if that was a factor or not in making the salaries work.
I suspect the Bucks will buy out both Bowen and Oberto to free up another $3.9 million on their books. The math there is that Bowen at $4 million and Oberto at $3.8 million are guaranteed half. The buyout money, all $3.9 million, would count against the Bucks salary cap for next year, but it still would give them extra room for resigning some of their players. I don't think they could buy them out now and have it count against their '09 numbers. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
Enough about the Bucks, what about the Spurs? I think we are in an interesting position. Jefferson, needless to say, is a huge uprade over Michael Finley/Bruce Bowen on the wing. (For these purposes, I'm counting Manu as our two-guard). Jefferson shot 39.7% from 3-pt last year which is first and foremost what a wing player needs to provide to the Spurs offensively. He provides somebody that can run with Tony and Manu (and George). He HAS to be better off the dribble than Bruce and Michael. He is most assuredly a better defender than FinDog, and likely almost as good as Bruce at this stage of Bruce's career.
Probably my favorite aspect of this trade is that the Spurs brought in a guy who I believe can do more than just shoot. He's not a Ray Allen or Rashard Lewis who, to be effective, have to have plays run for them. He's also not a clear out his side of the court and let him work guy like say, um, Vince Carter or Allen Iverson. I think he is a guy who can produce by fitting into what the Spurs do. Not the other way around.
Roster Implications
Up front, we need some help. Right now, our front line looks like Tim, Matt, Ian. Phew!!! That's the good news. The bad news is that the Jefferson trade should put us OVER the luxury tax threshold for next season. My preliminary calculations have us at $69.5 million without Finley picking up his option and with only 8 roster spots filled.
Yet another thing to like about this trade is that we didn't give up any draft picks. Not any of our #2's this year. Not a future #1. Not the rights to any of our previous picks. I likey.
We have more moves in the works, or we are playing small ball. Really small.
Here is our current roster:
PG: Tony(12.6), George(1.1)
SG: Manu(10.7), Roger(3.8)
SF: Jefferson(14.2), Williams(.8)
PF: Bonner(3.0), Mahinmi(.9)
C: Duncan(22.2)
The Outlook
Yeah, 69.3 and Williams isn't even guaranteed. I know this sounds crazy, but the Spurs may be going OVER the luxury tax in an attempt to win a title in the next two years. Might as well bring in Rasheed at the MLE.
This almost certainly will energize the Spurs fan base and stimulate ticket sales. Sometimes it pays not to be boring. Right now, we aren't boring.
I'm going to have to buy Pop a bottle of wine while I'm in Vegas.
LET"S GET IT ON.
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Now, if Bruce gets bought out and comes home I will be a very happy man.
With KT and Fab gone, our front line is beyond thin.
This will be a VERY, VERY interesting offseason for the Spurs.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
I’m thinking Pop and RC have a plan for the front line. Not sure what it could be, though. This is a great move, especially if Bruce comes back.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
At least now, we only have one position to worry about. All the talk of the Spurs moving up in the draft are probably now defunct. Bruce’s salary is unguaranteed (which means he’ll probably be bought out) and here’s RJ’s contract info. Woo Hoo!
Hey, no linking to ShamSports. That’s my reference site. Hmmphhh, women. Don’t know their limits.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m afraid to mouse over “Cranky Old Fart” to find it is a link to an image.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
God Bless you for serving this up for me.
Women, know your limits.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?… don’t you think it’s time to change your repertoire?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
And you prove my point….
But,
1. He served it up, I had to.
2. It never gets old.
3. She obviously hadn’t seen it yet or bothered to retain it, and it commanded repeating.
4. Don’t take your LosingBruceSadness out on me, I’m just as heartbroken as you.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
1. You’re both 12
2. It’s the definition of old
3. She’s just being kind… Cap is like that.
4. And yes, I could be trying cope with the loss of Mr. Potato Head by picking on Simian, Simba, I mean Sima.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
1. They’re both old farts.
2. It’s kinda old, but it’s still funny.
3. Love ya, Cap.
4. He’ll be back, leaner and meaner than ever.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
1. We’re ALL old farts at heart or we wouldn’t be Spurs fans.
2. It is old, but I’m used to misogynists who think they’re funny.
3. Yes, I remember the first time you trotted out this tired act SiMA, but ATS did serve up a nice fat one for you.
4. And BRUUUUUUUUUCE will be missed – consummate professional and class act.
So, San Antonio still exists?
You assholes are never going to go away, are you?
I’m assuming Milwaukee is waiving Bowen and Oberto’s salaries (though Skiles may be salivating at the mouth at the thought of playing Bruce Bowen 35 minutes a game), and the Spurs get to pick them on the cheap?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
Great trade for you guys
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
I like the getting rid of three players to get one aspect of this. Means we have roster space for some of our young bucks.
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
HA!
I guess this means Gist is going to be primarily a 4 if he plays for us this year. And we better hope Ian is healthy.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
Halle-freakin-luyah
This was a very nice pickup. Bruce will be back by the end of the summer. Now the Spurs just need to shore up the front line. Who can we get for the mid-level? Gist and Ian will be bit players at best.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Here’s a 2009 Free agent list. Dunno what site I got it from and whether its reliable or not. http://www.sportscity.com/nba/2009-nba-free-agents
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
Maybe Gooden comes back for the MLE?
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
We’re back in the mix fellas. Now all we need is a front line. Ginobili for…….ha ha j/k LatinD. Well I think we should keep Splitter now. Get Ian some metal legs (its a risky operation but it’ll be worth it). Damn Im getting excited. Bruce, damn it you better be back by the start of the season or I’ll be pissed.
by Behind_the_arc on Jun 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
okay...
but do I have to change my profile pick of Bruce whacking Nancy Boy? I don’t know if I can do it.
Very nice trade
Not quite Gasol-ian, but still very nice. The Spurs definitely got the better of this deal. Jefferson will fit in nicely, especially if Ginobili is slow in his recovery.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Al?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he may have confused Minny with Milwaukee
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
How is it not Gasol-ian
We gave up two D- centers, and an aging defensive player, all of which are salaary dump possibilities… So that means we could get RJ, and lose only KT, because I dont think they are going to buy him out he is a good backup… So, you dump two bad salaries, gain a top 5 guard, and then get those two salaries back at the min… that is Jeffersonian
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/21/920707/lifes-a-piece-of-sh-when-you-look
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
*emails RC
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
another key to consider is that this gives us a huge selling point to any FA looking for a chip….it shows our FO is serious about the duncan window and if you’re willing to sacrifice a little pay to join the winning side, sign the dotted line….
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Oberto and Thomas are replacable
It’s more difficult to find a scoring wing like RJ that’s taller than 6’4
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Oberto and Thomas are absolutely replacable. They were both way past their prime.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
So will they be released immediately
And then can re-sign with the Spurs, though?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
They might still keep them for some big bodies
I wouldn’t be shocked if Oberto is waived though. It can’t happen immediately. The trade isn’t even official yet and there will be a waiting period.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
IF the Bucks waive Bowen and Thomas
The Bucks only have to pay about half of their salaries, but get to take the full salary off the Bucks’ books, so it seems like the Spurs are counting on that, so that when Bowen and Oberto pass through waivers, they can re-sign them to the other half of the contract that wasn’t guaranteed!
So to Bowen and Oberto end up getting the same amount of money (and maybe even more upfront than if they weren’t ever traded).
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't miss Thomas as an enforcer
All he did was rebound well. He didn’t intimidate anyone, and that “solid” mid-range shot was surprisingly suspect.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
You don’t watch many Spurs games, do you?
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I watch most of them. Thomas was way overrated as an enforcer and that role is way overremphasized. I’d rather have a guy who can move on D and hit shots, than a guy with a crazy look in his eye.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
+1
But on the flip side, beggars can’t be choosers here. It’s tough to find a big man who doesn’t really hurt you when he’s on the floor, regardless of whether he ever lives up to his anticipated potential or not.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, you don’t watch much.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Thomas shot over 50% in 2009. Is a +80% FT shooter. He is great at taking charges, making shots difficult for everybody, setting picks/screens, and rarely turns the ball over.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved Mad Eye, he was an underrated rebounder for most of the season, and probably our third best player when Bonner cooled down. However, in my opinion, his strengths were those: the long 2, rebounding, defense. Not being a enforcer.
What are we talking about when we say “enforcer”, anyway? He’s not a player that was overly physical or made hard fouls to prove the team was committed, which is what people typically call a “enforcer”. (Think Fisher for the Lakers.) We don’t have a player like that right now, and I’m not sure even Bowen was one.
Maybe Horry when he kicked some Canadian butt.
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Thomas was our aggresive big body
Who is going to be our enforcer under the basket? Bonner? Pfft…
I don’t want more work on Duncan’s legs.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Some centers/pfs that stood out:
Pachulia
Mihm (is his career over due to injuries? If not maybe he could get it untracked back in Texas)
Marks (he’s a good luck charm)
Okur (too expensive I am sure, unless his injuries are lingering)
Etan Thomas
Jarron Collins (meh)
Jason Collins (bleeh)
Sheed (can he be had for so cheap?)
Chris Wilcox (what happened to this guy? He was set to have a big year with OKC and then flopped)
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
I think Pachulia could help also
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from mavsmoneyball... :)
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2009/6/23/922370/spurs-pick-up-jefferson
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excellent
I worried the Spurs might have used their mid-level on Trevor Ariza.
Will they try to sign Gortat?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
how's the spurs cap situation?
i’m thinking SA should try for Gortat
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An athlete on the team...this will be sweet
This team really needed another guy who can get to the FT line when the offense bogs down. Plus Jefferson is pretty good at the three ball as well.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Solid trade for the Spurs, but are we so sure Bruce is going to be waived by the Bucks? I don’t see that happening myself.
It seems a very likely possibility
His contract is non-guaranteed. It won’t cost the Bucks anything. I doubt they really want him now. They want to get their young guys some PT.
Even if Bruce does not return, the trade is great. Bruce is pretty ancient right now.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Bruce is still effective in tight spots and showed that last year. His off the bench defense and knowledge is rare and valuable.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Bruce still got minutes in the playoffs which means he is still a contributor…plus he is a great mentor to hill and all the other rookies we use to fill the back end of this now salary bloated roster
minimum for Bruce is 1.3 million per year which is only .4 million more than a rookie would make….that is a bargain for our franchise…he knows the system and i think its really important he finishes here
Plus, and this is very important, the league picks up part of the tab of the veteran minimum.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He deserves nothing less.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be happy to keep him
But it’s not going to kill the Spurs if he doesn’t come back.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
they have no shot at a championship or contention. They have a young movement, I dont see them willing to sacrifice minutes to a 36 year old SF withouth offensive game. But then again, Skiles is the Bucks coach…….. (i remember seeing lots of duhon, adrian griffin, malik allen and the like in the bulls)
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Bruce just turned 38, he was 36 in 07-08
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
so that makes my point stronger
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Yes it does...as you can see I made the same point as well
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Hey, it’s VWolf. Long time no see. How’s JR Giddens?
Haha. Couldn’t resist. I’ll be thinking of you when I’m wearing my George Hill jersey in Vegas.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still take Giddens over Hill
Giddens lit up the NBDL and he will be a solid NBA player.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
What?
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait and see. Hill is OK, but he does not have Giddens freakish athleticism.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Yes…and Tim Duncan doesn’t have the freakish athleticism of Kenyon Martin.
by Big50 on Jun 23, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll take Hill’s great athleticism, defense, hustle, and promising jump shot. He fits Pop’s mold.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That sounds like a description of Giddens, except he is more athletic, a better defender, and a 2-guard.
I do think we needed a PG more, so I really don’t have a problem with Hill. I just think that Giddens is going to surprise some people on this board in the coming years.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
I’m not sure you can say he’s a better defender. George was a good defender last year against the men. Not in the D-league.
But, we’ll see. I’m glad you are still on the Giddens bandwagon. It shows integrity.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I have seen both of them play. Giddens is 6’5" with long arms and he’s an outstanding athlete and defender. It would have been incredible to have him study under Bowen.
It is silly to bash Giddens for playing in the d-league. Boston just did not have room for him.
With all due respect to Hill’s defensive abilities, he is solid, but he appears much better because nobody else at the 1 plays a lick of defense for the Spurs.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
No, it isn’t silly. He played in the D-League regardless of the reason.
And I would say Tony’s defense has improved over the last few years. Not solid but nearly the liability he once was.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
typo
“not nearly”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and that reason was he was on the Celtics. Had the Spurs not needed a backup PG so desperately, Hill would have also been on the NBDL.
Tony’s D certainly did not look good in the playoffs this year, but of course his O more than made up for it.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Are you saying the Celtics couldn’t have used a super-athletic backup for Ray Allen? As I recall, they were hurting at the backup wing spots all season.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Yes, I am saying that the Celtics had no minutes for him. Ray Allen averaged 36 minutes per game. Reliable 3 point shooter Eddie House averaged 18 minutes. At 6’5" Giddens is really a 2-guard and there was no time for him there. They did the smart thing and kept him playing ball in the d-league.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
I’m not bashing him, I’m saying he is unproven. The D-League isn’t NEAR the caliber of play. Ian tore up the D-Leauge. Marcus Williams tore up the D-League. That doesn’t translate is all I’m saying. I’ve seen what George can do in the pros and that doesn’t have to translate. It is. If you know what I mean.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what the D-league is. I am just not as impressed as you with what George has done in the pros. His shooting is just over 40% and that is not too hot.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
Man, you aren’t easy to knock off the bandwagon!
Hey, are you in New Mexico?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, both Hill’s and Giddens’ careers are just begining. It is way too early to be mocking my my Giddens fandom. ;-) At least wait until he has a chance in the big league and until Hill can start shooting better than Pargo.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
AHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET!
WOOOO! This just made my Tuesday.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I updated the post, so refresh it if you haven’t in a while.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
Good news
I like the move, wish Bruce could have stayed, hope he comes back when they cut him, just to retire here if nothing else.
Now it’s time for a big.
SHEED SHEED
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Rasheed?
That will be Pop’s greatest coaching job EVER
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
The only coach he had problems with was doormat Mo Cheeks, but under strong personality coaches he has fallen in line.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
+1
I don’t think Sheed would be a problem with the Spurs. He didn’t care last season, but I think being around a group of vets that have an ardent desire to win, he’ll fall in line.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
I doubt he has the balls to give Duncan or Pops lip.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a huge problem with Dunleavy
In fact, they brought in Cheeks (a black coach) to appease Sheed.
I still think he will play well for Pop though.
"The evolution has been good, and I am much more tranquil now in the face of what comes next,"--Manu Ginobili
I’m on board with that at this point.
Free James Gist!
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That might be a bannable offense. You buzzkill.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
(You don't need) Scola
Obviously, I was implying the part in parentheses
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
it wouldn’t hurt.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
then again, if we had Scola, the FO arguably wouldn’t have been in these trade talks.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
If we had Scola, we would have won our third consecutive championship. Also, the financial sector and mortgage lending industry would have acted responsibly, and health care would be affordable, due to the surplus of low cost green energy. Alas, if only…
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Scola is a very influential player, for sure
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s a second round pick. It’s completely negotiable. However, I’d guess it is in the 700-800K range.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
ATS (I don't know if anyone commented on this already)
But, I’d like to address this particular statement:
I don’t think they could buy them out now and have it count against their ‘09 numbers. That would be interesting, wouldn’t it?According to Coon’s FAQ, the salary only counts on the last day of the regular season towards the luxury tax and what not.
So, what you say abut counting vs the 09 numbers, or this past season, it would not. The numbers would only be applicable for the 09-10 season. That’s why both teams can afford to do it now.
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Ok, thanks. I’m still not sure how buyout money effects salary cap money. Something to research I suppose.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If you like
I can write it in a fanpost or leave it in a long comment here.
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Hmm, how about a Fanpost? It will get lost here.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Gimme a couple hours. It won’t take me very long. I just need a soda from 7-11 first. LOL
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Jefferson is
Sean Elliot 3000
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I dun think I saw any Bucks game last season…howz Jefferson playing nowadays? Does he pass the eye test on still being quite effective. Two years ago, he was really good. Now?
Still this is good news. But from the post above, really confused about the cap situation. Spurs going into luxury tax seems really out of whack.
I think they’re just going for broke during what’s left of the Duncan/Manu window. And I like it.
Free James Gist!
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I don't know
I feel like another trade is coming. I have nothing to justify it, just a feeling.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
me too, but for a big this time.
ohpleaseohpleasenotmanuplease.
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You have something to justify. It is just not like the Spurs to get over the luxury tax threshold. But how could you make a trade to dump money now?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I have no clue but I think we’ll see something that will make us even more proud of the Spurs FO
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man, do I hope you’re right.
Free James Gist!
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Offseason ain’t over folks. Spurs will bring in some other big men. Matt Bonner is nobody’s starting power forward.
This last paragraph just made me do a Tiger Woods fist pump in the middle of my office.
As I write this, my head keeps going back to something that might be missed in all this. San Antonio is good to its fans. Here is a team that is committed to winning. After being bounced in the first round, they could have faded from view just as everyone expected them to. But instead, they got off the mat and started swinging. They’re a small market team with a relatively poor ownership group in a bad economy. And they just added a big contract to their books when 1/2 the league is trying to shed cap. Take note.
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by CMoney on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here is a team that is committed to winning.
True. And . . . it makes the (relative) frugality of the last few years and the "hometown discount" that TD gave us a couple of years back look even smarter than they already did.
I was wondering when this was gonna come up. Finally it looks to TD like we’re truthfully committed to helping him out and maximizing his time.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there is a restriction against trading someone again within a given time span. However, the Spurs are looking to win now, so I’d guess there’s zero probability that that happens, even if it is allowed.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. --Andy Dufresne
Aside from his specialty play… I hope Bowen comes back because I want more Bowen HEB commercials.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
love the spurs HEB commercials
"What excites me the most is when a coach calls a timeout and chews out his forward because I just dunked on his head."
--Karl Malone
by spurscitizen on Jun 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hilarious!
Thanks…that was my first time seeing that.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So I have read conflicting reports on ST. Does this trade mean Manu is off the trading block and we are buckling down, or does all this luxury tax talk mean, Manu could be traded? Howz that make sense.
Check this out
“It might even open up the door for them to let Ginobili walk, though do they give up Bowen and Manu for Jefferson?”
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25857/bucks_deal_richard_jefferson_to_spurs
Ridiculous. If they traded for RJ it’s because they want to win now, and use Timmy and Manu’s window. Manu is now untradeable.
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exactly…manu has an excellent contract and is an excellent player…you don’t trade away all of your expiring contracts and an all star for one all star with a bloated contract….our FO is saying “break the bank! win now!”
And here I was ready for a(nother) boring offseason.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Hope, yes. Expect, no.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of all things, and no good thing ever dies.
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WTF, guys… I check this freaking site compulsively, and the one day I decide to listen to George Calvin instead, the Spurs’ FO does this?
Unbelievable.
I have to admit I’m pretty sad to see Bowen go. If we can sign him back and then find a serviceable backup perfect, I think we’re in for the long haul.
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good. i’m good even though this is the second one of my spurs heroes to be gone in the last two off-seasons. will root/hope for bruce to come back. i always thought RJ was a whiny wuss though. no doubt about his skills and how they will fit with what our spurs need.
i wonder about where roger fits into all this right now. his minutes appear to be on the decline.
all the sudden, i am kind of thinking that sheed is the next piece of this puzzle here after all. i had given up on that move, but if we are going to shell out some cash – like ATS points out – why not?
Ouch.
Seriously, though, RoMaJu just turned into our… 5th option? Maybe the 4th in the clutch. That’s not bad, not bad at all.
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There won’t be roster spot available for Hill on the Toros after Yawn get customarily sent down in August.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yawn isn’t eligible for the Toros anymore, unless he gives up his roster spot/contract.
Free James Gist!
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It did lead us to the first round of the playoffs. Many teams can’t say that.
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I don’t think that lead us.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
damn't
“led”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I was of course kidding. He sucks at the point.
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I dont see why this is the case. Start tony, romaju and RJ. Bring Manu of the bech as always, hill backup PG. Am I missing something?
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No prob, LE, but I’m starting to learn that the little voice that tells me, “You might want to add some sarcasm included to the bottom of this post.” kinda knows what it’s talking about.
I want my Manu!
It’s just because it’s the offseason that our collective sarcasmometer is off. I’d bet that by the time the regular season rolls around, everyone will be back to their usual snarky selves!
I sure hope so, CapHill, because I’m tired of listening to the other little voice that tells me, “See, jrw, these people don’t really know you. They think you’re stupid enough to be serious about sending Hill down to the D-League.”
I want my Manu!
Bruce is coming back, no way this happens for him to retire in……purple and green.
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Holy crap this is great. I was just writing a piece on trading bruce bowen, if only I had published it you would all be calling me a profit right now. I’m overjoyed about this trade
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If you’d have only published that piece in a newspaper before today, you might have even made a prophet on it.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you’re a “profit?”
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
Nothing like trading a poo-poo platter for Richard Jefferson!
Great trade by the Spurs … F#*^!!!!!!!
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The only thing better would be trading a poo-poo platter for Pau Gasol, huh?
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m thinking we trade some moo goo gai pan for Marc Gasol now.
Free James Gist!
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Yes, that was ridiculous as well.
Anytime you can make a trade to get an impact player for some washed up or non-pivitol guys you gotta do it. Great job by the Spurs!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thanks.
Any chance you guys might want to part with Nene? We need a guy with one name and you need a guy with red hair.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d also take Birdman, given the salary considerations.
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You know, some guy on the Nuggets blog had a trade idea that would net us a studly 4.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hellz yeah!!! I just peed in my pants (a little)! Gonna miss Bruce though, he was the (dirty)consumate professional with lots of savvy.
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
Rick Bucher
On ESPN radio just said this doesn’t help the Spurs become title contenders. They need a “young Robert Horry” in order to be on top.
I thought more of this guy….not that I wouldn’t mind a young Robert Horry, but this team doesn’t have a serious chance?
Now we need a center, let’s trade Tony for Adonal Foyle? What is Olowokandi up to these days?
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
More or less a fine piece, but this is the argument style I hate:
Who would that have become? Somebody! Potentially somebody really special. And that’s the player the Spurs silently included in this deal today.
Potential and salary cap space don’t win games. Ask the Bulls how that worked out for them a few years ago? The class of 2010 free agent list is overblown. Very few players change teams. Remember when we went after Kidd and O’Neal? Do you remember who we got? I do. NOBODY. NOBODY doesn’t pull down many boards and NOBODY doesn’t make the corner 3. Because these teams having been making salary cap space for 2010 is the EXACT reason why the Spurs could make this deal.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well said.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. I am all for finding the “special” guy now. But this is the weird part. Abbot says RJ isn’t efficient anymore. While here at the hornets blog they are ranting about us getting a very efficient scorer lol. So which is it. I haven’t watched RJ play in a while.
Is he on the decline at age 29?
I think he’ll be a better fit for the Spurs, as he won’t be asked to do as much. He needs to play better D than he did the last couple of seasons, but I think he will be better.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
A lifetime Bucks fan friend of mine at work says Jefferson played pretty good D last year.
I want my Manu!
well he played 35 mpg last season which means he can carry a load….a load that increases every season Manu and Duncan get older
he is less productive on a team that is going nowhere….now he is on a top contender on a top franchise with top players…even if his production goes down because he is sharing the court with better players, he is an astronomical improvement at the 3
Carrying a team while being statistically inefficient translates to being a huge contributor to an elite team that already has 3 guys who can command the double team.
I’m seeing Parker lobbing fast break passes to a leaping RJ; Manu driving the middle and kicking out to a wiiiiide open RJ; Duncan passing out of the double team and the ball working it’s way around to RJ in the corner … all high percentage shots for a proven NBA starter.
I want my Manu!
That’s true. I think he can get quite a few buckets off the ball as well. Guys like Finley & Mason pass the ball inside and didn’t really cut to the bucket, I think having a guy like RJ can improve the ball/body movement as he’ll cut to the basket and place more pressure on the defense.
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Such a ridiculous take by Abbot. As you said, it assumes completely that we were a primary destination for a big name in ‘10; which is in no way guaranteed. I don’t know if it was someone here or over at 48, but I also am not at all comfortable with sacrificing ’09 on only the hopes that somebody big lands in SA (a small market, with comparatively little to offer) in ’10. We need to win, and we need to win now………. and finally the FO seems to see this.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
No one of Richard Jefferson’s calibur wants to come play in small market SA unless you’ve already developed a relationship with Pop, the franchise, or one the big 3. I don’t see any of those on the FA list for 2010. Everyone saw us as old and walking off into the sunset until this afternoon. This deal makes us the hot team for prospective FA role players today. Cap room doesn’t because FA’s know that cap room is meant for players like Bosh, RJ, Manu, etc.
About the future and 2010, Gist, Splitter, Ian, Hill, and 3 draft picks are still currently in our possession. Not to mention a full MLE. (just mentioned)
by BlaseE on Jun 23, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Jefferson is going to get a better chance at a ring
I should think he would be thrilled to get a chance at it now.
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I will play devil’s advocate. I think we can all agree RJ is probably NOT worth his salary anymore?
So is this the best overpaid guy we could have gotten and pending further trades, it remains to be seen what the real FO plan here is to shore up our frontline.
(PS: Dun bury me.)
good questions/concerns
We’ll have to wait and see. But I’d say that optimisism is alive and well on PtR today
I want my Manu!
He’s not worth his salary, but that’s not the question. The question is “how much is it worth to add a piece that could produce a championship in combination with the Big 3?”
I would compare it to bringing in an overpriced contractor, or paying overtime or expediting fees, to help you meet a deadline for a big project. It’s not “worth it,” in the sense that similar goods or services could theoretically be obtained cheaper, but it is worth it in that it helps you attain something you otherwise could not have.
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by tomasito on Jun 23, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very true. But the ramifications of RJ being the second highest paid guy on the team, especially when Manu has not been extended? There’s gotta be something psychologically there.
LZ, If there’s a team that can overlook this and keep it from being an issue, it’s the Spurs. If there’s a player who can do his best while putting this behind him, it’s Manu. He’s an all star who doesn’t mind coming off the bench, for crying out loud.
There’s the chance that it could come back to haunt us, but I gotta believe that RC and Pop talked with Duncan about this already, and possibly even Manu and TP as well.
I want my Manu!
plus its not like our FO signed him to the bad contract….
[impression of Buford to Manu]
“manu, have a seat. you know we love you, but were going to have a new addition to the familiy soon. we love you more but he is new and coming from a spoiled family that made certain promises we have to keep. were better parents and don’t make those same stupid promises, but we love you more….just know that in your heart.”
"spoiled family" I love it
“Now, Manu, he’s going to have some bad habits. And we’ll deal with those as soon as we can, but in the meanwhile, we’re asking everyone to just give him a little time to adjust to doing things the right way.”
I want my Bruuuuuuuuce
Thats what I believe. But this is the year when Manu said he can’t believe he might actually be traded. There could be a bit of hurt there. You never know.
He didn’t say that. He said that if there was ever a chance, it was this year, because he hadn’t signed yet. He also said he understood this was a business, and that if it were up to him, he’d stay in San Antonio.
You made it sound like he said “I can’t believe they’d trade me”, Lion.
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Hmm. Maybe I read too many forums and too many Manu interview translations. But the perception I was left with after his interview when he got home(the translation obviously) was that, he thought him being ever traded was an impossibility until this year…which I loosely further translated as “I can’t believe they are thinking of trading me”.
:P
yeah Manu was just talking more “Spurs Talk” and not speaking in absolutes and not being an idiot…that’s what I took from it
I think he just replies honestly when asked a question, but the tone didn’t indicate that he was feeling slighted.
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I don't understand waiting a year argument
When Duncan is only going to be a year older and limiting the strain on him is that much more difficult. Plus, ATS, cap space is overrated as you say.
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You’re on fire, ATS. And correct.
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you must be a profit.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bowen with this shout out. I hope he comes back. Ugh
by LionZion on Jun 23, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I assume he’ll be back but I got a little choked up reading that…..Just being honest.
If we don’t want to pay him play, can we create a third man spot with the local announcers….hearing him with Elliot every local game would be amazine.
You’re not the only one, Blase. Old Potato Head definitely knows that there’s more to life than just b-ball.
I want my Manu!
I’m not going to stop wearing my Bowen jersey even if he doesn’t come back.
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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t be fooled by Bruce. All this proves is that he isn’t the dumbass Jerry Stackhouse is.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
EXACTLY the thought I had when I read these. Trust me folks, Bruce is coming back.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously… doesn’t anyone remember when we traded the Mango Tree?
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Wow
Im pretty excited now….my only disappointment is if this limits our ability in the 2010 bonanza….anyone crunch the numbers on that?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
…and bringing Splitter over. He could be helpful.
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Agreed
Secure that #2 spot and focus on the PF/C rotation.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There's still space
As of now there will be about 12-15 million to work with. That’s going to change obviously, but like Mr. ATS stated earlier, all this talk about the 2010 free agency is just that. Talk.
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You guys know I like music. I think this about nails it for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v7UPfj5gcQ
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions
we just need a center who rebounds, blocks, defends and can pass the ball on offense…..anyone have one of those for cheap?
It’s not likely, but Marcin Gortat would be a good get. What type of deal do you think he’ll get?
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MId Level maybe a little higher
I think OKC will be so hot for him I don’t think he’ll go anywhere else. If Gortat goes to SA, he’ll be in a similar situation to SA.
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Due to the NBA habit of overpaying mildly productive young centers, the chance of the Spurs getting someone such as Gorat are slim I think. They don’t have much more outside of the big 3 left to trade. The Spurs are either going old or finding a diamond in the rough for their big. Therefore, the only way the FA market thus comes into serious play is if there’s someone in Europe they dig up or someone like Rasheed Wallace takes a pay cut to join. Neither is a given. The best hope is that one of the young guys stowed away steps up. It’s the best balance of finance and production. Otherwise, I think the best we can expect is a Rasho type, just as a filler until next year. I think that’s probably the realistic expectation.
Rosen...
…thinks the Spurs are the second best in West now
(Is this link a double post?)
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions
just wait ’til we get a big.
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The strangest part of his article is his poll. How +16,100 people think the Bucks got the better end of this trade is beyond me.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
$11.3 million in cap relief next season I guess. Still have to sign someone…
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Instead of "RJ"
How about hearing Bill Schoening say…
“Tim, Tony, Manu and Dick get ready for the…”
“Dick drains it for three!”
etc, etc…
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t know about you guys… but I’m still bummed that we weren’t able to get Corey Maggette last year… ::snicker::
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I sure wish we had had the cap room to be a player in the Baron Davis sweepstakes last year.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Jun 23, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
On his podcast, Simmons is still claiming that the Spurs will trade Parker. Chad Ford added that a Parker-Rondo (as the main pieces) trade would be intriguing. Crazy talk!
A sincere and honest question...
Why do you listen to Simmons’s podcast?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I usually don’t, but in seeking some coverage of The Big Trade, I noticed that they would be talking about it, so thought I would tune in.
So.....
how long do I have to wait to see him play in a Spurs jersey?
shit…….
can we put him on the summer league team for the hell of it? We can all join ATS in vegas then.
David Lee
What you guys think about Mr. Lee in silver & black?
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Zone mentioned something about Splitter’s team having financial trouble. Waiting for them to follow up on that.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
They mention the story and don’t deliver.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
not likely. He’d have to settle for the rookie scale unless he holds out until next summer, when we can offer him more. It’s in his best interest to wait until next summer.
Free James Gist!
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if only he’d play for rookie scale for one year and just sign him to an extension to make it right after that
I think rookie contracts are multi-year by rule… but I could be wrong.
Free James Gist!
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Just got in to work here in 0z...
and i am so freaking happy.
SO SO SO HAPPY
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
And according to Yahoo, Oberto keeps moving.
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
Ugh. Looks like Fabs will likely return. I would have been happier to see KT’s name here instead, but at least he’s tall.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Classic material from one of the commenters on Basketbawful
Dearest Bucks,
Fuck You. You give up a 20 point scorer and you get back drum roll please…CAP SPACE!!! That’s great if your New York, Phoenix or Miami, but guess what? YOUR TEAM IS STILL IN FUCKING MILWAUKEE!!!!
So you get to blow all that cap space on keeping Captain Twitter, Ramon Sessions who you where so stoked about you had him sit behind Luke Ridnour most of the season and then in 2010 you get to over pay Ray Allen to finish his career as a Buck, and sign Joel Prizybilla the only other free agent who will think playing in Milwaukee is a good thing. Way to go assholes.
Fucking Die,
The Western Conference
Does Trev sound like a Mavs or Suns fan?
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
Cubes?
Free James Gist!
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Hey winners (not losers, for a change)! I just popped my browser open and I see the light of the FSM shining down on our Spurs. It’s a terrific day.
Also, I love how this has created a ton of activity here in PtR. Took me some time to go down to the bottom reading all of the crazy comments going on, it’s awesome.
Can’t wait for the season to start, fellas :)
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 23, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
Part of a garbage time AS comes to mind.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I dun remember when I read this or where, but at some point during last season, didn’t Pop tell somebody that last season was going to be Bruce’s last and Pop made that decision for him which is why he rarely played him much during the regular season. And then we had all the injury mess and Bruce found his way back into rotation and showed us all he is still effective albeit a bit less.
So even with us all optimistic about Bruce coming back, I have to say, this is what I remember from last season. Pop decided its time to change. Man, I am worried about our defense this season again pending further trades.
Anthor trade in the works?
Well i thinik we might have anthor trade in the works here. HELL no way would matt bonner be our main option at the PF/C. I would acctuly love to see us trade bonner he just camp out in the three pointer. We have a lot of rosters spots to fill. Knowing the spurs though they probaly are just goign to sign a free agent to a 1-2 year deal.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
I can’t stop thinking that Mason will be our 6th best player. A lights out, ice in his veins, clutch shooter is our 6th best player. And if we use the our MLE on Pachulia then I’d say Mason becomes our 7th best player. This is awesome.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
I don’t know that much about Pachulia, so could someone please enlighten me on why he would be such a great addition?
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
+1
Please everyone, line up and sell us both on the merits of Za Za.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if Camby is really dirt cheap
Id rather they try and get him for anything short of a 1st rounder
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Honestly my love for Pachulia comes almost entirely from the Celtics series in ‘08. He really battled with Garnett when everyone else in the eastern conference wouldn’t dare stand toe to toe with him and his intense passion obsurd antics. If we’re measuring ourselves against the Lakers (and we should be) then this is the type of player we need on our front line. I’d really like Camby but I think he’d be too expensive.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
He would give us toughness we need. He a good score at times. He can reboudn. His best season he averaged about 12 ppg and 7 rpg. Relasticy we could get him. With him we would defitnley have the best chance at a title. He can be a deffesive presence to.
LoL i just found out rober horry goign to be on superstars.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
There is still a chacne we can move up in the draft. This year draft is considerd weak. SO moving up wouldnt cost to much as long as it in 22-30 range wich i expect the spurs will try to get to. With this sighing the spurs would try to get only a pf or c who could start for us. It very unlikely we could get rasheed wallace for a samll deal.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
I can’t help but think that the FO is thinking, “If this year’s draft is so weak, why move up? We already have competent D-leaguers, several foreign big men to woo, Yawn and an up-and-coming Gist………. ALL of those options are better than a ‘iffy-straight-outta-college’ player in a weak draft that may cost us things we don’t have or can’t afford to lose at this point.”
I sense other things a’ brewin.’
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, and we could send our 3 second round picks to Biella, ASVEL, or any other euro club we can strike a deal with.
Free James Gist!
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I think that on weak drafts you have to select in a different way. because the top prospects look like garbage, so you have to be creative. I think that picking in the second round is a blessing in disguise.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
The NBA.com article
says both Bowen and Oberto will be back, so even if theyre simply roster filler, its a great deal on our end…..I only wish it wasnt June so we could get the season started already
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
wow..............
and here i was thinking not much was gonna be happening in the next week or two, other than drafting some foriegn player we’ve never heard of and will never see. holy crap.
if bruce and fabricio come back, then this is genius. if not…its still probably good. though seeing bruce go is sad. and i’ll miss ol’ crazy eyes.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions
Highlight Reel
Its like watching an ultrasound of our baby before he is birthed as a Spur…..
[Sorry, just wanted to use that similie]
- is Manuesque
Some others include dunks over Okafor and Okur…
I like the finger wag at Mutombo
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 24, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I suspect a healthy Ian, RJ, Cubits. and Hairston/Williams/Gist will make LD a very happy blogger.
Free James Gist!
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I sure hope so. I’m this close to jumping back onto Yawn’s glass bandwagon.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Jun 24, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 24, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Just outta curiosity
What did you all think of Richard Jefferson during the 2003 (?) Finals versus the Nets? Remember how you felt every time he scored? Now think of that in reverse, but your getting a 6 year older version of that memory.
I remember being afraid of him going off and taking over a game — which he never did. Credit Bruce’s defense.
I want my Bruuuuuuuuce
you’re telling me we just got a player good enough to have BRUCE BOWEN defend him!?!? you’re shitting me!?!?
by BlaseE on Jun 24, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Spurs too smart to give up height..
As I expected, many basketball fans’ first thoughts were about the Spurs giving up height and about Bowen being gone. You guys are truly loyal to him and he deserves it. But I think that the Spurs organization has always been a step ahead when it comes to making decisions and drafting players. That being said I find it hard that there isn’t something already in the works in regards to solving the height issue. We all know that in the West and in the NBA the Lakers are the team to beat and if any team is going to have a shot a beating them it has to be done by matching up with the height and length of Pau, Bynum and Odom.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 24, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions
Yup. So the mystery deepens. From our “inside scoop” thread, if that was really true, who was the foreign “starting” center then? Darn R.C, you got us all in a twist.
With all due respect, a team doesn’t need height to be the Lakers. They need physicality. Granted, the Spurs now need some more of that, but Denver and Houston proved you can give the Laker front line problems with just good strong physical play.
I do agree that Spurs have some kind of plan to replace that size lost in the front line.
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