San Antonio Spurs 2009 Draft
Let's get our draft hats on. You hear!
The draft is a mere week away and we need to educate ourselves. What's out there? What do the Spurs need? What should I be drinking? You see, I left the most important question for last.
You KNOW the hook has a bite now. Don't fight it, just come to the surface and roll over. Show me your belly.
What's out there?
All draft knowledge and research begins and ends at Draft Express. Jonathon Givony and his minions are the bomb. You can read about the draft other places, like Chad Ford's Mock Draft and KobEspn, if you want. But you only get the first 5 picks if you aren't an Insider. Seriously, you want me to pay for some yahoo's analysis of picks in a mock draft (I'm sure Chad is a good guy and knows his stuff. I'm not knocking him. But I'm not paying)?
Go check out this mock draft instead at Draft Express. They just knocked it out of the park last year for accuracy in the draft. They don't justify each pick, but you can click on the players name and get a stunning history of scouting on them. You want to be titillated, go read the June 7th, 2009 report on Nando De Colo (yeah, he's French and I want him) from the Eurocamp.
The problem ESPN has is that the sex of the draft is in the top 4-5 picks. But the real basketball fans care about ALL the picks and they don't cover those as in-depth as Draft Express.
If you are looking for a second opinion, go to NBA Draft.net to look at their mock draft. I'm not quite as in awe of their work -- I don't see the Spurs taking two seniors from Marquette late in the second round -- but they will give you a good counter balance.
What do the Spurs need?
Talent. Um, sorry, youth. Ok, um...well, they need things they aren't going to get in this draft.
We have three picks in the second round. 37, 51, and 53 overall.
Not to bust your bubble -- long aside but I have a story to tell. A few years ago my wife, my mom, and I were eating at the Chili's in Seguin, TX. Yeah, I know, but it isn't Cracker Barrel. The waitress, a cute young woman of about 18, is giving us the lowdown on the desserts and is trying to sell us on some chocolate pie thingy and says, "It just busts in your mouth". Now, my wife is a kind woman (on occassion) but it was all she could do to not start laughing in this poor girl's face. To this day we still make jokes about things "busting in your mouth". -- but the Spurs are VERY, VERY unlikely to get any help in this draft.
I only see it happening in two circumstances. One, the Spurs trade a couple of their second round picks and some cash for a mid to late first rounder because they see another value guy like my man George Hill. Two, the Spurs, against all odds and reason, ship Manu off to some other team for a decent player and a top 3 pick. Ok, I really only see one of those happening but I was giving Bellasa a blood pressure check.
Another aside. Speaking of Bellasa and a blood pressure check, I've been thinking about her lately with all these Manu trade rumors going around. These rumors are just absurd, btw. The Spurs aren't trading Manu for some two-bit glorified role player making the same amount of money. Manu is an All-Fucking-Star. Not only that, he's a serious ass gamer. Their are only a handful of guys like that in the league. You don't trade them for energy guys and draft picks. Sorry, you just don't. So, as I was saying, I've been thinking about Bellasa. And listening to Tanya Tucker.
You have to know a couple things about me and Tanya Tucker. First of all, my dad loved her. Second of all, I bought one of my first LP's at Bussey's flea market, back when it was cool, and it was Tanya Tucker's first album. The one she put out when she was like 13 or something. It may have been called Delta Dawn. It had a picture of her in a white dress running in a bunch of trees. I was 9. Nothing but pure thoughts, I assure you.
So, I'm listening to Tanya's Greatest Hits the last couple days and it strikes me that this woman is singing about the kind of heart break that Bellasa would feel if Manu announced, no demanded, a trade. Tracks 2, 3, and 4 are the heart-rending types of songs that speak to a jilted woman's soul. Therefore I give you:
- Delta Dawn - The YouTube (on Hee Haw no less), The lyrics
- Don't Believe My Heart Can Stand Another You, The YouTube, The lyrics
- The Jamestown Ferry - The YouTube, The lyrics
- Bonus Track - the best one I found that captures the darkness of Tanya's early stuff. This is how a young man learns about heart-rending. Just saying.
I don't expect everybody to listen to all of that so I'll pick out the highlights of the lyrics.
- Delta Dawn - Cause she walks around town with a suitcase in her hand, looking for a mysterious dark-haired man
- Don't Believe My Heart Can Stand Another You - So go your way I've had enough, the game you play is too damn rough
- The Jamestown Ferry - (Possibly the coldest lyric ever sung to a woman) He just caught the Jamestown Ferry, it's not a hot day in January like he said it'd be, if he ever left me. A case of Gone was all he carried, as he got on the Jamestown Ferry and he said that Gone was all he'd ever be. (SiMA, I think of you for some reason).
Anyway, we really can't expect much from this draft but some names to follow for a couple of years in Europe.
What Should I Be Drinking?
Well, it's summertime and it is HOT!!! here in South Texas. Naturally, red wine. My recommendations:
- Saketinis - Yeah, sake-based martini's. 8 oz filtered sake, 1/2 cup of mashed cucumber, 2 teaspoons of sugar, hefty squeeze of lime, chill on ice and strain
- Prosecco - I prefer Pirovano. It's $12 at Whole Foods. Cava Brut's are also good.
- Infused vodka martini - bruise a couple Kaffir lime leaves (from the Kaffir lime tree in your backyard), pomegranate juice (the pure, not the blend), and sparkling water. Chill and strain.
- Tormaresca Neprica 2006 from Puglia, Italy. Got it at Twin Liquors for about $12-13. It needs to be opened 6-8 hours in advance, but craptastic that baby gains some character. When you open it you have about an $8 bottle of wine. Six hours later you have yourself a find.
I think we should put this up to a vote. DFJMED get your poll on. Let's determine the official PtR drink of the 2009 draft.
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Moving and Shaking
Good stuff once again ATS. I can definitely envision a scenario where the Spurs trade back into the late 1st round (anywhere from 26 to 30), assuming there’s a “destined to be a Spur” type that drops that far. Rumors are flying about how the teams in that range are looking to move out of their spot to save some cash and pick up extra picks in the future, and San Antonio’s front office is savvy enough to take advantage of the economic situation.
I don’t have a problem with the three guys DraftExpress predicts San Antonio will take, but I think we should make a play to move up and acquire a player that will have an immediate impact next season; specifically, Terrence Williams from Louisville and Sam Young from Pitt are two seniors who would provide some youth, athleticism, and defense at the wing position. I also saw a little bit of Gonzaga’s Austin Daye during the season, and he reminded me of a very young Robert Horry – a long, lanky guy who can shoot, put the ball on the floor, create mismatch problems, and D up both forward positions – the type of player Pop loves to utilize and could replace Bonner’s role if we decide to trade him.
And I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if the Spurs decide to dip into the international pool once again and snag the Israeli kid, Omri Casspi. From the little I’ve seen of him, Casspi looks like a much younger, MUCH rawer version of Manu, trapped in a 6’8, 220 lbs. body. He’ll need to bulk up a little, dedicate himself on the defensive end, and learn to harness his emotions, but he could certainly provide the Spurs with some youth, athleticism, and scoring ability – the same things we have been saying all along that San Antonio desperately needs.
Whatever happens, I’ll be glued to the tube for the entire draft, and I’m anticipating lots of movement, and maybe some hope and optimism for Spurs fans to fantasize about and discuss until the season starts.
~The Duncan ulTIMatum~
by ATLBraves4Life on Jun 17, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions
I have one problem
Paul Harris will never set foot in the NBA, hes too small and too slow to keep pace
Make that two, if we pass on this DeColo guy and the Blazers get him again, that’ll be Batum 2.0
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Good job. No offense Davis, but I think that Lakers pic was scaring Spurs fans away from PTR. ATS does two great posts today to push it further down the front page….
Only time I ever went to Bussey’s was when the my dad’s golf clubs were stolen from our garage and the cops believed they were being sold at Bussey’s. My mom and I drove up there to go to this guy’s stand and if we could find one single thing that belonged to my dad, the cops would get this guy but nothing…
Here’s some heartbreak Motown…
During the playoffs, after game 4 I played Smokey Robinson’s We’ve Come to Far to End it Now.
After game 5, my friend and I got back to my car and I was flipping through my IPod looking for the most depressing thing I could and found The Miracles’ Whats so Good About Goodbye. So I absolutely blasted it as loud as I could as I was stuck in line and watched a fan of one team get out of the back seat of car to fight another fan who is banging on said car. I can’t remember if it was the Spurs fan banging or in the car though.
Some great lyrics:
“Well if leavin’ causes grievin’
And to part will break your heart
Tell me what’s so good about it
I could’ve done without it
What’s so good about goodbye
Since you said goodbye to me
All I know is misery”
NBAtv was playing a BSPN draft workout today and they said Joe Ingles could be a first rounder. He isn’t even in the mock draft at draftexpress. 48MoH interviewed him and he doesn’t even know if he’ll be drafted. I don’t think BSPN was overrating him but just don’t know how many picks are in each round.
I’m giving the Spurs 70% odds they move up in the draft or at least don’t end up picking with the 3 picks they start with. Hypothetically, lets say the Spurs have a verbal commitment from Bourousis. Even if they don’t, our biggest need is still SF. Looking at the SF’s in the draft, the number one is Demar Rozen who isn’t projected to go until number 9 to the Raptors. Next is Austin Daye at 15 to the Pistons. No.3 Sam Young (who Graydon at 48MoH seems to like) at 23 to Sacramento. Budinger at 25 to the Thunder. Right after that they have Casspi (who the Spurs have apparently been scouting since the womb) next at 26 to the Bulls. Then you have Jerebko at 29 to the Lakers.
Those are some good prospects to get in the second half of the first round if we can move up. I mean DraftExpress doesn’t have one SF going to the lottery picks. Whether the Spurs take one of those names or do better scouting than DraftExpress and get us someone deeper, I think there is potential to get a SF that could play next year.
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My team might get infected with a case of Bourousis, but the Dr. says the symptoms are dunking, rebounding, and blocking with the side effect of spreading the floor.
The thought of Jerebko going to LA really bothers me. Trading up would be a good idea for us, if only to get Jerebko or Casspi before rivals snag them both.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
Yes, you’re right Blase, I’ve thought about that before I posted it and you were the first brave soul to call me out. To put Kobe on the PtR front page is almost as blasphemous as Manu trade rumors. So being the conformist that I am, consider it done: the Lakers pic has now been pushed after the jump.
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 18, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
tooo funny
over on the nuggets site pickaxeandroll they have a post about getting manu for…wait for it…wait for it……KENYON MARTIN!!! i almost spit out my drink from laughing so hard.
I haven’t read anything on us working out DeMarre Carroll but if he falls to 51 or 53 he’d be a steal. In fact I’d be happy if we went George Hill on him and just took him earlier than projected at 37. At 6’9 225lbs he’s an undersized power forward or a too slow small foward. Or we can look at his size as a possitive mismatch-too big for small forwards to check and too quick for power forwards to run with. If you do consider his physical attributes to be a weakness though(which is completely fair) you need look no further than his hard work ethic and competitive spirit to see what I love about this guy. The dude is a huge gamer and will out hustle anyone not named Manu if he were on our roster. High basketball IQ, good midrange jumper, good offensive rebounder, and rocks dreadlocks.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
um…should i know who tanya tucker is?
nbadraft.net has us taking patrick mills at 37? while it would be sorta cool to have an aussie on the team again (first time since andrew gaze, w00t), we really don’t need a small shoot-first PG.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 AM CDT reply actions
they shouldve kept Shane Heal
they guy could shoot and had brass ones
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I think there’s an NBA gene I’m unfortunately missing. I simply can’t find it in me to get excited about the draft… Maybe it’s because the Spurs haven’t gotten a high pick since Duncan arrived.
I’m going to use the newly reinstated YouTube to check that Tanya Tucker person now. Should be fun.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
I have a question, LD. Please explain the Puma thing on Manu’s facebook page.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
That’s Alejandro Montecchia’s nickname: “el puma”. He was the point guard for the national team for many years, and in fact he was the one that dished the assist in Manu’s last-second shot versus Serbia and Montenegro in the Olympics.
That clip is a song from Sandro, a famous singer from the 70s in Argentina, and the name of the song is “that’s my friend, the puma”. The lyrics fit Alejandro’s features.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
My gut feeling is that the Spurs
will, without a doubt, will get into the first round. Not sure who we’ll draft though as I’m not a very avid NBA draft follower.
Randy Blythe, Singer of Lamb of God- "Words can be broken, so can bones....." Omerta by Lamb of God
Margarita?
How are you in South Texas and not interested in making the Margarita the official drink for the Spurs draft? It just makes sense. San Antonio = Margaritas and San Antonio = Spurs. It’s a match made in heaven.

As far as the draft goes, I don’t really know enough to comment on it. That will not of course stop me from commenting. I hope the Spurs move up. We’re not going to be using 3 second rounders anyway, we might as well get somebody that could play.
i recommend that Tecate Light be the official PtR drink of the draft. its about the same quality of any players the spurs can expect to pick and it really doesnt taste so terrible if you’ve had several beers ahead of time……..
i also thought about a bunch of guys that interested me and posted them in another thread a long time ago. Manuwar mentioning DeMarre Carroll of Missouri got me to thinking about those guys. It made me think that I like Carroll and mistakenly left him out. I must admit that i haven’t seen too many projections lately, so some of these guys may have moved up and down the projected order in the last several weeks.
Anyway, here is my belly (or said another way, some guys that I think are cool, in no particular order):
curtis jerrels – baylor. possibly another one of those point/shooting guard types. great handles, great run and gun shooter – but a shameless gunner without much regard for defense in his college career. good athlete who can score. this is what we need, but would have to start playing some D.
taj gibson – USC/jeff pendergraph – ariz state. both are wiry big guys that could provide the additional inside presence needed. i like gibson better because he is a supreme defender and defensive rebounder. i think that he would be an ideal fit for the spurs. If I could pick a guy to root for the spurs to pick, it would be gibson. pendergraph is a better scorer, but not as physical. could still be useful in our system.
josh heytveldt – gonzaga is a guy who has some offensive skills with good length. He’s tough enough to play with the big boys and would give us the effort on both ends of the floor. Will need him to put on some pounds and get in the weight room.
danny green – north carolina. saw a projection sending him to SA somewhere. a double digit scorer on a team of stars in college. athletic wing type player who has developed his shooting ability every year in school. this could be yet another wing type guy who we want to mold into the bruce bowen spot on our roster. he is more known, but reminds me a little of george hill. Lots of smack on danny green since when I first wrote this, so…….but my basic opinion of his skills hasn’t changed.
Let me add in robert vaden and dionte christmas as tough minded guys who know how to put the ball in the hole. Both have good NBA type bodies too.
i watch a TON of college ball, so i am sure to chime in on some other guys as their names are brought up – but this is what i have as of now……
Thanks for the info, bones. I do like the North Carolina guys, Danny Green and Wayne Ellington (just not Hansbrough, please).
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 18, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
tecate really gives me the shits…
I like Gibson for the same reasons you mentioned especially because of his defensive toughness but he seems like a sure fire first rounder. After him I like Christmas. He seems like a Spur type guy. I don’t recall him being any kind of shut down defender though but it could be because all his praises were for his silky sweet shot.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
Wow ATS,
You’re downright giddy when you write about the draft. I don’t think you were ever this excited during the regular season. The hope of finding the next George Hill has really got you hopped up… doesn’t it? By the way, I think the Spurs are going to surprise us again this year with their pick.
I haven’t been to Bussey’s in ages, but the last time I was there I was able to pick up an original LP of the Boss’s first album “Greetings from Asbury Park”. Very Cherry.
As for the BP checks… I already get those on a regular basis. If it’s Spurs related then it’s on the 10 o’clock news. Actually, today a casual acquaintance began an early morning conversation with “I think we should trade Manu”. First, FU. Second, he’s lucky I’d had at least one cup of coffee in me.
Tanya Tucker… sorry you lost me there.
For some reason I think of the Spurs when I listen to this SADE song… it makes me happy.
Enjoy the music selection… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvcNtoHwd6Y
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
I don't like chatty. I don't do chatty. I like quiet. Quiet and mean. Those are my people. - Nurse Jackie
This might be the most boring draft I'll ever watch
w/o a first round pick and a second round pick thats bound to be obscure and never set foot on American soil….cant wait
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
it happend again
Well we can add Yiannis Bouroussis to the list of foreign players who used us just to make more money. Well at least the spurs can now focus on players in the draft who well help us out.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
I think the chances of the Spurs moving up in the draft just increased quite a bit.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
Draft moving up
Ya we probaly are goign to move up in the NBA draft. I expect Them to try to get into the 20-30 picks in the first round. Good thing to i thought this years draft was going to be boring.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
Minnesota has the 18th pick… I bet that looks pretty good to RC.
"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich
by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I sincerely hope you are wrong. Moving up in this year’s draft is a little like upgrading to first class on Southwest Air. I fear we’d just be wasting future picks and money/assets to move up this year.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Jun 20, 2009 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions
How can you love H.E.B and hate on Southwest like that.
I’m almost ashamed (wait ’till the end.)
I want my Manu!
But if we can get a SF prospect on about the same level as George Hill last year, why not move up? I don’t know if we should reasonably expect to ever see late second round picks to be wearing the silver ad black.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
I agree SiMA but if we can move up for cheap and are able to steal Sam Young then I’m all for it. He reminds me of Thadeous Young….I don’t think there is any relation
...formerly known as speedostuffer
I well be fine if we dotn move up in the draft. Just as long as they are planning to get free agents over the summer. There are two realsticly we can get who can help us compete for anthor NBA championship. I think they should go after Zaza Pachulia and Dahntay Jones they can be our new starting SF and C. Players that need to go are Ime Udoka, Drew gooden,Jacque vagun, maybe we can keep bowen or finely at back up If they get Dahntay Jones.
GO SPURS GO
SPURS 2010 NBA Champions (if team is healty LoL)
Sorry, too lazy to do a FanPost or Shot so I’m posting it here. See, I still read BSPN just because it’s become part of my daily rounds on the interwebs, and I’m absolutely pissed that almost all of their draft coverage now is on Insider. As ATS and some of us here have already mentioned, we won’t pay for some bloke’s writing when we know that we can get the same information (or better) for free somewhere else.
During these desperate times, I turn to hoopshype. It’s probably not too reliable (heck, having Eddie Johnson as one of the columnists doesn’t really add much credibility), but what I love about it is that they gather the best parts of every significant NBA-related article in the web (including excerpts from Insider posts), and condense it in their “Rumors” page. Great and handy, and exactly just what a lazy dork like me needed.
That said, here are some interesting tweets from Ric Bucher of BSPN recently. He mentions an “SA” initials on the second one, and I am presuming that’s our Spurs. Don’t hesitate to correct me if I’m wrong about this. Thanks.
Ric Bucher: Clips were confident they had a Kaman deal 48 hrs ago. That changed last night. Camby to OKC is still out there right now. Twitter.com
Ric Bucher: (Bucks) are in a tough spot. Need to improve, need to save $. Might have to let Villanueva walk. (SA would snap up.)
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 21, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
Villanueva is pretty damn high on my wish list, but I didn’t think we had a chance at him. Very, very nice.
Free James Gist!
Pounding the Rock - where ochlocracy happens. Eat your heart out, California.
No need to appologize for using ESPN davis I think we all secretly go on there from time to time…
Great find on the Villanueva rumor. Hope springs eternal.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
All I know is that the guy doesn’t have ANY hair whatsoever. Does that automatically make him Greek?
by silverandblack_davis on Jun 22, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I promise not to look down on you if someone has an Insider account but my curiousity is killing me and its been a very slow day in terms of spurs news…..BSPN is attempting their first ever 2nd round mock draft and I’m really curious who they think we might take with our 3 picks….Anyone have insider to post said info? They don’t call it a mock draft for no reason….post it and we can mock away…
Speaking of horrible draft coverage….
Last night I stayed up to watch NBAtv’s Southwest Division draft special. So they put us last which I understand because we don’t have any first round picks. They go to their “draft experts” which are Mike Fratello and some, for lack of a better word, douche. So the host shows a graphic with our teams ages with the clever title “S. A. A. R. P.” above it and then hands it over to the “experts”. Mike Fratello kicks it off with a very complementary and I’m paraphrasing “Spurs are awesome! They win more than 50 games for 10 seasons in a row and FSM only knows how many they would have racked up last year with a healthy Manu, but what about this draft?”. Then Douche says and I’m paraphrasing, “Spurs have no chance at this guy but let’s profile Wayne Ellington because I love him and his shot is so silky smooth.” Then five minute highlight reel of Ellington. Then host says, “Kenny Smith recently shared his thoughts on Ellington.” Queue up video of Kenny Smith saying Ellington may be the next Alan Houston at his peak or maybe just a good roleplayer, its all up to his work ethic. Now back the douche, “Ellington is awesome, but the Spurs really have no chance at him because he is going to be a low twenty, maybe even lottery pick. [laughs at Spurs pathetic drafting position and no chance of getting Ellington].” So I am IRATE at this point. I then wake my girlfriend up and give her a 10 minute rant about how NBAtv just wasted my time [and waste her time]. They completely ignore covering the Spurs to profile some guy they want to show video on. They take two easy shots at us; mocking our draft position and our age. And on top of it all, they profile a 2 guard. Even if we trade up, we won’t draft a 2 guard. We have a glaring need at the 3 and a lesser glaring need at the 4 or 5. How the hell do you not cover either of those???
Sorry for rant but did anyone else see that shit?
haha. I liked the rant Blase. Fortunately I did not see that or I might have wasted 20 minutes of my life as well. The thing is we are really spoiled around here at PTR and over at 48MOH. Seriously. I’ve been to other Spurs sites and there doesn’t seem to be any acountability for what people say. LatinD jokes about being a hack but he is very thorough and a mans man when it comes to writing pieces. ATS runs things perfectly around here and occasionally gives us some insider material like he will be doing for the summer league. Same things can be said about the boys over at 48MOH and other contributors on this site.
...formerly known as speedostuffer
I guess my problem is that these guys are paid to cover the draft. I’m just a fan wasting my time at work or at home. I mean at the very minimum BSPN or NBAtv could pull up Draftexpress or 48MoH (BSPN True Hoop affiliate) and go with what they are saying about us if they aren’t willing to look at our roster or the draft prospects. Then these guys will watch the draft and when players like Jerebko or Casspi go, they’ll give a blank stare at each other say “hu dat b?” or “he is foreign like Ginobili. is he next Gin-o-bli?” or “how are these teams even finding out about these guys? he is either the next Manu/Gasol or a bust. He isn’t on my sheet so I’ll go with bust. This team has no idea how to draft. I give them a grade of B-/C+.”
exactly. LD, Stampler, davis, myself… none of us get paid for this stuff(and ATS isn’t exactly rolling in the dough, either). Therefore, the people that DO get paid specifically for their “knowledge” of the game should really be able to come up with better stuff than we do. And yet
Free James Gist!
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Follow-Up
This dumb ass takes a shot in the dark and just says Wayne Ellington and says he is a early 20’s to high lottery pick and we have no chance at him….
After yesterday’s trades, Draftexpress has him going to us at 37…..
I still don’t see it but who knows.

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