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It's not easy getting over the end to the Spurs season, especially after an injury plagued, first round playoff exit to our rival Dallas Mavericks. But, ever the optimist and "glass half full" guy, I'm going to look forward to our off-season and next year's championship run. Let's begin with this summer's draft.

JUNE'S NBA DRAFT

Despite what the experts say about the quality of this year's draft class, I'm sure everyone would agree that the Spurs could be extremely productive with a 1st round pick, whether by including it in a trade to upgrade the current roster, or by finding another late round gem, a la George Hill. Unfortunately, we don't have our 1st round pick. At the time, just after last season's trading deadline, I was skeptical of the Spurs willingness to include this year's #1 pick in the deal for Kurt Thomas. Obviously, Seattle/OKC wouldn't have done the deal without it, but I imagined a situation just like this where it would come back to bite us in the ass.

But, that's ancient history. So, due to some previous trades, we do have three 2nd round picks in this June's NBA Draft. Last year's Hairston swap with Phoenix also netted us Golden State's 2nd rounder, #37 overall. Along with Bonner and Eric Williams, we got New Orleans' 2nd rounder, #51 overall, from Toronto for Rasho Nesterovic in 2006. And because of that despicable Scola deal with Houston, we received this year's Rockets 2nd rounder, #53 overall. We would've had a fourth 2nd round pick, #54 overall, but we gave that away to Charlotte for Melvin Ely, another wasted transaction, in my opinion.

What are we going to do with those three 2nd rounders? At #37, we should be able to add a quality player who possibly slips down some teams' draft boards. I've heard rumblings that San Antonio has once again targeted another foreign player, and based on their success in the past, I trust their judgment completely. From what I've read, Israel's Omri Casspi is not even 21 yet, almost 6'9", about 225 lbs., and has played in the Euroleague for several years. He's probably not ready to contribute in the NBA just yet, but we could keep him stashed in Europe for another season or two until we're ready to bring him over. He profiles as a small forward, with potential to be a great defender; he declared for the '08 Draft, but withdrew after not getting a first round guarantee from any NBA teams. I doubt he'll get that guarantee this summer, but with another season under his belt, he might decide to remain eligible for this year's draft and hope for the best.

CURRENT ROSTER

This is what our roster situation looks like as of today. Out of the 15 guys we had in '08-‘09, Timmy, Tony, George, and Ian are signed "long term", four are unrestricted free agents, and seven have only one year left on their current contracts, meaning we could have as much as $32 million coming off the books in 2010.

Tim Duncan, PFAge: 33 Contract status: Three years, $62.1 million

Tony Parker, PGAge: 26 
 Contract status: Two years, $26.1 million

Manu Ginobili, SGAge: 31 Contract status: One year, $10.7 million

Bruce Bowen, SFAge: 37 Contract status: One year, $4 million

Fabricio Oberto, CAge: 34 Contract status: One year, $3.9 million

Kurt Thomas, F/CAge: 36 
 Contract status: One year, $3.8 million

Roger Mason Jr., SGAge: 28 
 Contract status: One year, $3.8 million

Matt Bonner, F/CAge: 29 Contract status: One year, $3.2 million

Michael Finley, G/FAge: 36 Contract status: One year, $2.5 million

George Hill, GAge: 22 
 Contract status: Three years, $3.2 million

Ian Mahinmi, CAge: 22 Contract status: Two years, $2.6 million

Drew Gooden, F/CAge: 27 Contract status: Free agent

Ime Udoka, G/FAge: 31 Contract status: Free agent

Jacque Vaughn, PGAge: 34 Contract status: Free agent

Marcus Williams, SFAge: 23 Contract status: Free agent

As Mike Taylor has repeatedly said on Ticket760's STSA radio show, Manu owes San Antonio an entire season of healthy, All-Star level basketball; that means all 82 games and the playoffs. Ginobili is also in his contract year, and with impending free agency as a motivator, I think he'll be out to prove he's still an elite player. Plus, he doesn't have any Argentinean international competitions to participate in, so he better fucking take the summer off, lock himself in a cryostasis tank, and not release himself into the wild until training camp starts.

OPTIONS and BUYOUTS

Let's assume that Finley exercises that option of his. Who are we kidding, the economy is in shambles, the salary cap is gonna decrease, and he's 36 years old; I don't think he's gonna pass up that much guaranteed cash. We'll also go on the assumption that R.C. Buford isn't going to "buy out" Bowen or Oberto. Yes, it would free up a roster spot, but that's just throwing money away; I think we can make use of these players and their contracts. I still feel as though Bowen serves a purpose on our roster, despite his AARP membership and ability to withdraw Social Security. I mean, who else is going to play the starring role in all those H-E-B commercials? Seriously though, he still plays superb defense, provides some much needed toughness, and he's earned the right to retire a Spur, in my opinion.

OUR OWN FREE AGENTS

I fell in love with Gooden, oh about his third game on the court in a San Antonio uniform. The guy is only 27; he is the most athletic big man we've had in a while, and at 6'10", he's got the build to bang with the big boys under the basket. I didn't see him miss too many assignments on defense, and the junk he's got in his low-post game far outweighs any shortcomings he has on the other end of the floor. I believe he is a must to re-sign.

I'd love to have Ime back, mostly because he reminds me so much of a younger Bowen. He's no spring chicken himself, I know, but he still has some prime years left. If Udoka would take a similar deal to the one he signed in '07, with a decent raise, I'd do it. In addition, I believe San Antonio shouldn't even hesitate to bring James Gist over. Don't think about it, just do it. Give the Gist a contract, and automatically get younger, more athletic, and more exciting. Do it right fucking now!

As for the JV, you guys have done enough ragging on him already this season, so I won't belabor the point. I hope he's played his last game in a Spurs uni, nuff said.

Williams looks like he has potential, shit, that's why we drafted him in the early 2nd round. But Popovich has an aversion to giving young guys like him a shot, so he might be back with the Toros again. But, I wouldn't be surprised if we have one of the DLeaguers next season, Williams, Malik Hairston, or Desmond Farmer, on a non-guaranteed, minimum salary deal.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

San Antonio will only have the Mid-Level Exception to work with this off-season, and with 11 players already under contract, I don't expect much to happen in this category. You can forget about guys like Ben Gordon and Trevor Ariza, it ain't gonna happen. Even if we are lucky to re-sign Gooden and/or Udoka, that would take up most of our MLE right there.

The one fascinating name that's been linked to the Spurs is Rasheed Wallace. Intriguing, at least to think about. He's on the downside of his career, has already made his big bucks, and most likely just wants another chance at a championship, so he might take a smaller deal to play for a contender. But in our position, we won't have the luxury of getting both Gooden AND Sheed, it's going to be one or the other. Yes, Wallace is 6'11", an above average defender, still pretty athletic, and for a big man can step back and shoot the 3, but if I had to choose between the two, I'll take Drew in a heartbeat.

Recently, Antonio McDyess' name came up as a possible acquisition. But I'm even less excited about him than Sheed.

TRADE MARKET

During this year's trading deadline, the rumor was the Spurs were ever so close to acquiring the Clippers' Marcus Camby. The price would've been steep: our stud rookie George Hill, Bowen, Oberto, and probably some cash. However, the thought of teaming a legitimate shot blocking, rebounding, big man next to Duncan is too good not to dream about. So, I suggest revisiting this deal with LA. I propose sending Oberto, Thomas, and two of our 2nd rounders (#51 and #53) to the Clippers for Camby. Why would LA do a deal like this, you ask?

The Clippers did a 180 last year after having such high expectations going into last off-season. They got shafted by Elton Brand and got stuck with Baron Davis and his albatross of a contract. They're back in rebuilding mode, and were not so subtle about their desire to dump both Davis and Chris Kaman this past February. And as we all know, the entire league is gearing up for the 2010 free agent bonanza, and expiring contracts are gonna be treated like gold. According to HoopsHype.com, Camby is under contract for TWO more seasons at $8 million next year and $7.65 million in '10. So we could offer them an opportunity to get another $8 million under the cap, and they can bring in some more young talent with the two draft picks. Maybe a little farfetched, but definitely possible.

Tyson Chandler's name has also come up, but despite New Orleans' attempts to trade him at the deadline, I think he's even more of a reach than Camby. Chandler may be younger, but they're both injury prone, and given his contract, Chandler seems less likely to wind up in Silver and Black.

MY DREAM ROSTER FOR '09-'10

STARTERS: BENCH: RESERVES:

PG Tony Parker PG George Hill G/F Ime Udoka
SG Roger Mason Jr. SG Manu Ginobili F/C Ian Mahinmi
SF Michael Finley SF Bruce Bowen F James Gist
PF Tim Duncan PF Matt Bonner
C Marcus Camby C Drew Gooden

So, there it is. Any thoughts? Feel free to question, comment, ridicule, blast, or add to my post. Be honest, I can take it.

 

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Well Written, but

I think youre overvaluing second round picks. 2nd round picks are about as useful as an appendix to the Spurs front office, they continually waste them on players who never step foot on this side of the atlantic or languish in the Dleague, never gaining Pops good graces.

Out of the four of Camby, Sheed, Gooden and Chandler, Id take either of the latter, simply b/c of age. For that matter, why not Kaman himself? He was a pretty hot prospect last year, he seemed to be putting it together.

Anyway, well said, I agree with your Gooden stance, but I think the Spurs recent history shows they dont value, or expect anything from 2nd round picks, so I wouldnt be expecting much of anything of any value from the draft next month.

The most recent Hoops Hype mock draft had OKC taking Chase Buddinger with our pick, whom they compared to Brent Barry, so no great loss there b/c of Mason. I would hope, like you said, that someone might slip to 37, but if theres only one roster spot left next year, the guy will inevitably be wearing a suit more often than shorts

By getting Camby, we’d be putting ourselves at a disadvantage for the 2010 bonanza; granted free agency isnt a sure thing, but I think a team with Parker in his Prime, Duncan still in double double mode, and Man still a bit of an X factor and playing for Pop would be attractive to someone like Chris Bosh

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 1, 2009 7:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m wary of Chandler. OKC didn’t want him, then he spent the rest of the season semi-injured and NOOCH collapsed. How’s the prognosis?

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by LatinD on May 1, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we were to land Camby or Chandler we would have to include Roger or George. I wouldn’t be opposed to offering the rights to Tiago Splitter for Chandler since Chandler is still very youngn (26 I think) but if it came down to Roger and George I’d rather give up Roger. We can bring up Harriston and play Finley in limited minutes with Manu seeing most of the SG minutes.

I’m strongly in favor of getting Gist in here because of the said reasons above and because he’ll be cheap.

I like Gooden but I don’t think his offensive talents out weigh his defensive short comings UNLESS we get a true center. If we are unable or unwilling to get Camby or Chandler then Tim will be the defacto center again and only true shot blocker we have. Which means an entire season for Tim banging away with big boddies and increasing the risk of his knees problems flailing up again. If we don’t get Camby or Chandler then our free agent route should be Rasheed. He can take pressure off Tim and defend bigs on the block effectively. Why not go after Rasheed even if we do trade for Camby or Chandler? Because Rasheed is too old and I doubt he would embrace a role coming off the bench if we had a starting front court of Camby or Chandler and Tim. Gooden has already set into a role coming off the bench and his half season in our system and a good training camp should mean he comes out of the gates sprinting next season.

Next years squad will hopefully look something like this:

STARTERS:
PG-Tony
SG-Manu
SF-Ime
PF-Tim
C-Chandler
          
BENCH:
PG/SG-Hill
SG-Finley
SF-Bowen
PF-Gooden
PF/C-Thomas
PF/C-Ian
SG/SF-Hariston
PF/SF-Gist

In case you didn’t notice, our wing position after Manu would be especially weak on the offensive end. But I think it would be well worth the price of having Tyson Chandler in the middle and once again we could reassert ourselves as the dominant defensive team we once were. Not so long ago I might add.

Trade

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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Chandler is really available

afterall they dodged a huge bullet when he failed his OKC physical, in terms of actual basketball and public relations, for that matter is his foot healed?

He would be ideal, other than his lack of offense, which given Tim and Manus age could be a problem, I wonder how cheaply Kaman would come these days

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 1, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would NO ever trade Chandler to the Spurs?

to watch him tear them apart 4 games during the season and then some more in the playoffs?

by neon greon on May 1, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Hornets financial problems exceed any rivalry they have with us or any other team. If we offer better goods than other teams they will trade Chandler. They can’t afford not to.

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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the best front offices make mistakes like that. All I have to say to support that is “Scola”.

F*#@ you, fate! - Latin D

by Tim C. on May 1, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Us letting Scola go was a mistake. Us letting Duncan go would be a catastrophe and an unforgivable sin; big difference. I don’t think the NOOCH would give up Paul.

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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought we were talking about Chandler, unless I mised something. And no, I don’t think they’ll actually do it, but I wouldn’t rule it out as being beneath them. They tried to trade him to OKC for Joe Smith and a six-pack this season, so who knows what they’ll do in the offseason.

F*#@ you, fate! - Latin D

by Tim C. on May 1, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er… we were. That’s why I’m dumb. Sorry for the confusement :)

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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hornets fans seem to think that they’ll be trading Chris Paul. Thats how bad their financial situation is. But I don’t think NOOCH’s front office is that dumb. They will however have to dump someone with a big contract. Either Chandler, Paul or West. I say Chandler is most likely. I don’t know a lot of details about his foot injury but he was in the Denver series and even if it wasn’t completely healed then it should be fine after an entire summer off. Just a season ago he played 80 games so he can be counted on to stay injury free.

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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we get West? If anything, that would mean West can’t destroy us during the regular season any more. And maybe West can cover West.

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by LatinD on May 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather have Chandler.(if he’s healthy) Also, can we get AD back? he can be 3rd string when JV is gone.

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by Tim C. on May 1, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Hornets GM Jeff Bower, recently said he’d make the trade all over again if given the chance at a meeting with season ticket holders

* He would do the OKC trade again if he had it to do over and would do it today. Stressed trying to help team win. ((This caused the crowd to grumble, but he was clearly not trying to just please us all night if he said this; i take it as a sign of honesty throughout)).

So, it looks like Tyson Chandler will be made available once again this summer. Bower still obviously has interest in the cap flexibility it would give the team.

by NBR on May 2, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellently written and excellent analysis.

I love the inclusion of the contract situation for every play. Obviously a lot of time and effort was put into this post. I disagree, however, about the Gooden over Sheed point, though. I was, for the most part impressed with Gooden this season. He provided adequate relief off the bench and seemed to be willing to play hard, with a few really monster games! I just think he’ll be gone. I say go for Rasheed and concure with your point that he’s definately on the downswing, has his money in the bank, and would be willing to take a cut to make a shot at another ring. He’s an adequate defender and can hit the 3. He’s not afraid to dust up with anyone either, and is not boring.

Guys I would not mind seeing gone are Fab, Finley, Bonner, Ime, and JV.

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by Ed (dfjmed) on May 1, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful post, ATL.

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by LatinD on May 1, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Honored

Thank you for the kind remarks, LatinD. That is high praise coming from a PtR mainstay like yourself!

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by ATLBraves4Life on May 2, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish

C- Timmy, Sheed
PF- Gooden, Bonner, Ian
SF- Bruce, Ime, Gist
SG- Manu, Roger, Fin
PG- Tony, George

Give Gooden most of the MLE, and hope him and Sheed play for cheap.

by Linix129 on May 1, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Chandler is the player who’d I be most interested in out of the players mentioned. His defensive ability and rebounding are hugely impressive, and I’d love to see Tim get a high quality shot blocker by his side once again.

I think if the Spurs sign Tyson Chandler though, they’d need to find a fourth scoring option on the perimeter. A 12-15ppg scorer on the wing. Someone who can provide that balance to Chandler’s limited but highly effective offensive game.

Second choice?

  • Antonio McDyess — he was tremendous for the Pistons this season, by far the best player on their roster. His rebounding was incredible, his pick and pop game, his all round defense (best screen and roll defender out of Detroit’s bigs). McDyess was excellent a good all-round complement to Duncan’s game.

by NBR on May 2, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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