We're Gonna Be Okay, I Think
You'll forgive me if I'm not feeling so recappy these days.
Happier times
This is the post I never, ever wanted to write, so bear with me.
Anyone who ever reads me knows that I write, frequently, and often in graphic, unnecessary and unwanted detail about my private life. I write about my crazy best friend, about my various suckass jobs, about my lurid gambling and strip club misadventures, about my on again/off again psycho-alcoholic girlfriend (currently "off" by the way, thanks for asking). I write about sports and teams that the majority of you don't care about, because a) only crazy people like Stampler root for teams in different sports that have no geographical relationship with one another b) all my other teams never win squat and c) even if you are say a Philadelphia Eagles fan or a Turkish national soccer team fan, well surely there are blogs dedicated exclusively for people like that. I can assure you, if I went to an Eagles blog and started blabbing on about the Spurs, their fans would greet me far more rudely than you guys do when I whine about Donovan McNabb's latest clusterfuck.
So yeah, y'all pretty much know me. And yet, ironically, to quote Sally Field, you seem to like me. Really really like me. When I veer into my latest PtR-suicidal tangent, you're all kind enough to humor me as best you can or at least ignore me. By now you understand I simply cannot write any other way, like the old joke people have about Skip Bayless - "If you want to get him to quit writing, simply remove the "I" key from his keyboard."
And since you know me, you know that despite my many tragic, some would even say Shakespearean, faults I have one endearing quality that keeps you coming back to me post after post: I'm not afraid to publicly admit I love me some Manu Ginobili.
Like, I just saw this movie, "I Love You, Man" (sucked) about this guy who doesn't have any male friends, so he tries really hard to get one in the few months before his wedding so he can have a best man and that his fiancé won't think he's weird.
So he meets and makes friends with this guy and it's just so phony and convoluted. I'm watching the movie, and I'm thinking to myself, "I have a closer relationship to Manu Ginobili than these two fictional characters have to each other after all their bullshit man-dates and Gino doesn't even know I'm alive.
(Well, we met once, before a Warriors game and he scribbled his completely illegible signature on my e-ticket, but he didn't say anything.)
But yeah, despite my many, often embarrassing in a Take-it-easy-Champ-why-don't-you-sit-this-one-out-and-maybe-stop-talking-for-a-while kinda way relevations about Manu, I've never felt guilty or ashamed or stupid for sharing or writing any of it. I never felt like "Woo boy, I really need to get a life..."
I put on my jersey, I watch the games in public among groups of people who aren't Spurs fans, and I offer myself, and my undeniable hero-worship of Ginobili, as an easy target to mock and ridicule - a 31-year old who refuses to grow up. I'm sure most of them think I have a Ginobili poster on my bedroom. And the only reason I don't isn't that I think such a thing would be shameful but rather I've just never been a poster sort of guy. I bought a Transformers poster once and never put it up.
Anyway, I think I've safely established my Manu-love these past few years. I really am this big, fat, hairy loser who sometimes goes to bed with the last thought before dreamland being some Manu highlight - real or imagined - and who sometimes wakes up thinking about that day's upcoming Spurs game and Ginobili's potential role in it.
So imagine my surprise when I find myself alive, normal (well, as normal as I can be), and at peace with the world.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sad. I'm always sad whenever the Spurs end a season without a ring, and this season has certainly ended more suddenly, more unceremoniously, and certainly in a more anti-climactic way than any of us would've liked.
But I'm doing okay. It feels weird to say it, I'm almost guilty to admit it, but I'm doing okay.
For one thing, the news wasn't that surprising. I've been watching Manu play - I mean really focusing and scrutinizing on his game - for years now. I know his moves, his mannerisms, his facial tics. I feel like I can tell how he's feeling about every shot, every teammate, every ref, every little nuance of the game. It's gotten to the point where not only do I think I can predict every Manu play before it happens, but I can even tell when he's flopping and when he's legitamately fouled or when he's feigning disgust with a call and when he's really protesting it.
And watching him against the Pacers, despite his overall solid statline of 16-7-7, I had a bad feeling about it. He passed and rebounded well, but he wasn't moving that fluidly, a whodat named Brandon Rush was abusing him on defense and seven of his nine field goal attempts were threes. He played a season-high 36 minutes, but got only nine shots off. Maybe some other day I would've used that information to go on a crazy Tony Parker rant and claimed that Frenchie's selfishness is why Manu shouldn't ever be a starter anymore. I tried to ignore my hunch, but looking back on it, I knew something was off. Ginobili's minutes were increasing from game to game, but his agility and athleticism weren't. He just didn't pass the eye test to me.
Then the Cleveland game happened and I knew. I mean, I knew. It must be how a jockey feels when the horse he's riding pulls a muscle or breaks a bone. He knows something's wrong before the horse does. Manu just wasn't Manu out there. He was just some guy, some old, immobile schmoe, laboring. Let's just Monday's headline didn't knock me over with a feather.
That's not the main reason I'm calm though. I think, mainly, it's because I root for the Eagles, the Sharks, my homeboy Turks, that the last thing I would ever feel when it came to the Spurs in general or Manu in particular is regret. The Spurs have won and they've won big. Four championships in nine years. They've been to the top of the mountain and taken us along for the dizzying, harrowing journey. After four titles what more do we have a right to expect but a noble effort? We Shall Not Covet, We Shall Not Want. We've gotten our share, and then some.
I know that in some dark corners of the internet, and maybe even here at PtR it's become trendy to suggest that Manu shouldn't have participated in the Olympics last year and that it was even "selfish" of him to do so. The most popular arguments are along the vein of "The Spurs pay his salary, not Argentina, and as a season ticket holder/league pass subscriber, I demand a quality product when watching the Spurs, and that means more Ginobili" or the even-more-popular "I'm an American and the Olympics don't mean jack shit to me, so why should I be happy he gets to play and risk getting hurt in them?"
First off, the Spurs pay Manu a below-market salary and have so for the entirety of his career. At no time have they shown an inclination to rip up his contract and give him fair value. They also offered Ginobili a two year, $20+ million extension last season on the condition that he skip the Olympics, and Manu turned it down. Say what you want about him, but unlike almost all professional athletes, the guy has bigger priorities than money. The Spurs front office? Not so much.
Secondly, your season tickets and league pass subscription does not guarantee you a championship or a contender or any other nonsensical thing. All it does is give you the opportunity to watch a bunch of strangers play basketball. Injuries happen in sports. Andrew Bynum has never been in the Olympics and he keeps messing up his knee. Kevin Garnett wasn't in Beijing last summer and he's missed over 20 games with his knee. It's a physical game.
Manu doesn't owe any of us a damn thing. He's already given more than anyone could've expected when he was drafted a decade ago. Forget '05 and '07, those are givens, but without him I doubt we even win the title in '03. If he never plays again or never approaches his past level again any of us would be idiots to complain about it. Some guys, even Hall-of-Famers, have 15 year careers and when they hang it up we struggle to think of a single moment, a single highlight that stands out. Manu's given us literally hundreds of them in seven years. We've been very lucky.
The same thing goes with Tim. Duncan's going to be 33 next year. He's battling tendonisis in his knees. He can no longer jump at all and his lateral movement is rapidly declining. That we've already seen his best has long ago been settled. But looking into the future, it's hard to imagine he's ever going to be TIM DUNCAN again, and consequently, hard to imagine us winning another one with him as the hub. And that's fine. Again, he's given us plenty. More than we could've dreamed.
Even Tony, at 26, has already wildly exceeded all expectations. The guy's a superstar now, at the height of his powers, but if he leaves tomorrow for a villa in France, or worse, the Lakers, could any of us really complain? When this skinny teenager first arrived on the scene in late 2001, did any of us think he'd turn into the player he's become? "Unbelievable" indeed.
The Big Three, they've done enough. Whatever we get from them after this is gravy.
As for the xenophobic anti-Olympic sentiment, it's because you're American that the Olympics don't matter to you. You look at a gold medal in hoops as your birthright and not something to fight over or dream about or cherish. I don't think any non-Americans can possibly understand what playing in the Olympics meant to Manu and to the Argentine people as a whole. The pressure to represent the country, to defend their gold medal must have been immense. Don't think it was a coincedence that he got to be the flag holder during the opening ceremonies.
The U.S.A. only cares about Olympic basketball when they lose. They lost to the Russians in 1988 and their response was the controversial "Dream Team" with Michael, Magic, Larry, etc. Those guys insipired millions of little boys across the world. What the NBA, and its fans, didn't understand at the time was that most of those boys weren't from the United States. Boys like Ginobili, Gasol and Nowitzki. After losing in 2004 to Argentina the team was so shaken that they took drastic steps once again, jettisoning some questionable team members (Iverson, Marbury, Odom, Jefferson) and a coach who didn't respect the foreign game in Larry Brown, for a team with actual point guards in Chris Paul, Deron Willliams and Chris Paul, a leader who understood the challenge in Coach K, and three perimeter superstars hungry for global domination in Kobe, LeBron and D-Wade. That team even had extensive practice time together, and played in qualification tournament involving all the North and South American teams the summer prior. I'm not sure the '92 team could've beaten them.
If he didn't go, he wouldn't be Manu
To get bitter and resentful at Manu for taking on that challenge is to not understand the man.
I don't know how much I will participate at PtR in the coming weeks. I am hurt and bruised and just want the season to end and go away. I know the Spurs will fight, gallantly, to the bitter end and I know that in the end they will come up short, just as they would've, in all likelihood with a hobbled Manu on the team. I think the worst thing that can happen to us as Spurs fans is for the team to win a round or two of the playoffs because then it will cause Pop, and his masters, to rationalize. It will get them to think, "If only Manu was healthy..." and they'll delude themselves into thinking the rest of the roster is fine.
The best thing that can happen to the Spurs, long term, would be for them to get bounced, emphatically, out of the playoffs in four or five games in the first round. Only then will we have a mandate for change. The team has a glaring need at small forward. It needs to embrace the concepts of youth and athleticism, and contrary to popular belief, there is already some of that on the roster (Hill, Hairston, Mahinmi, Gist) but for one reason or another, it hasn't gotten on the floor. I don't know if they can usher Fin or Bruce or even Fab out the door, but it would certainly be nice if they tried. Gooden is a free agent and I doubt he'll be back. The team needs a big who can defend and rebound on one end of the floor and space the court for Duncan on the other end. They need viable backups for Tony and Manu. They need a coach who isn't blind to those needs. Pop has more talent in Austin than he does on his bench, and it's about time he realizes it.
I do know that I have very much appreciated everything Manu has given to us over the years and while I look forward to him being healthy and playing next year from the very beginning (maybe finally developing a little chemistry with Mason and Hill) it's also just as possible that it might not be in the cards. Again, if that happens, I'll be fine. We'll all be fine. We have to treasure what we've gotten. We Shall Not Covet, We Shall Not Want.
I feel like Manu is one of my best friends in the world, and he doesn't know I exist. I don't care. I still think that when this is all over the two of us should get an apartment together.
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I agree with you that we should not complain and we have been truly blessed as Spurs fans. I hope you do stick around for the playoffs. I hoping for a wild ride and truly epic finish to the season. We’ll probably get bounced in the second round, but I can still hope and dream.
I will disagree with you on a couple of points. The first being that the best thing for the Spurs long term is to lose in the first round and badly. It’s not, the best thing would be for the young talent to get experience in the playoffs. Now will that happen, doubtful. If it doesn’t we be long for these playoffs anyway.
I would agree that teams in the NBA don’t much care for their players playing in the Olympics. It doesn’t help them out much. However, the remark about American’s not caring about the Olympics is down right ridiculous. No, maybe we don’t understand the kind of admiration that Argentinians have for Manu. That however doesn’t explain why it’s so important to us as a nation to be good at basketball. That’s like saying that Canada doesn’t care about winning the gold in hockey. Of course they do, just because they expect to win doesn’t make it less valuable for them when they do win. Look at the ratings for the USA basketball games, through the roof. American cares about the Olympics and I would argue we care now more than ever at least in basketball. And that is due to Manu taking his team to the top. Competition is what makes it exciting now, not knowing that the US will win, makes us want to watch even more.
As a fan of the Spurs I have no problem with Manu playing. I loved seeing TD play for the US. I love it because I would like to think that I’d do the same thing. Play for my country whenever I had the chance.
Like I said when Manu was playing in the Olympics, it’s his life and if he wanted to represent his country then more power to him. Guys play ball in the offseason anyway, so I didn’t think it was big deal. Hopefully this team makes a strong playoff run to build on for next season, but Stampler has a point. A severe ass beating in the 1st round may finally open Pop’s eyes that maybe, just maybe starting Michael Finley at the 3 and giving him 30 minutes a night isn’t a great idea. Maybe having Jacque Vaughn on the active roster is wasting a roster spot. And it might be a good idea to have to have another big that can block shots. I still think the big 3 has another chip in them and it can happen next season if the right moves are made in the offseason.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
Very well written.
Looks like my Manu: Simply Erotic t-shirt will not be worn this post season and will stay in the dresser. I was looking forward to busting it out.
it’s been a bummer past few days. I think you’re right; we’ve been extremely lucky to have Manu as a Spur and he’s given us a million things to remember. I just hope it continues past this year. You kinda have to go through thick and thin with your team. And right now we’re thin.
I hope the front office makes the right moves this off season.
dude that was amazing.
i had been checking this blog every other hr since monday afternoon for a post from Stampler because i didn’t know how to feel and i knew that he could express something in words on a blog for strangers i couldn’t express out loud to my wife (mostly because she doesn’t care). I can’t shake the feeling that this is the end and if it is then what a glorious time its been. I’ve been a die hard fan since i was 6 and Robinson was in his rookie season, his grace and athleticism captured my attention as a child. However in 21 years of NBA watching i’ve never ever seen a player like Ginobili. He is one of a kind and there will never be another like him, and for us as Spurs fans to have been able to root for him like we have and see his God-given ability night in and out has been a real blessing for at least me these last 6 years. Thanks Stampler for putting this in perspective, only you could have done it like this.
Side note: I do hope we are bounced early, i’m stupid enough to get my hopes up after each win only to ultimately have them let down by the Lakers in the end. and i know this is controversial but part of me just thinks Manu should walk away if he is only going to come back at half his former self. I can handle watching Tim decline because he has the size to overcome some of his athletic deficiencies, but watching a falling Manu over the next few years will be hard.
by staves27 on Apr 8, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd prefer that we go as far into the playoffs as possible
Good to go in a severe under dog and hopefully dash some dreams.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
Very nice, as always, stampler.
i wish i could share your hope that the coming early playoff exit will shake some sense into Pop and the FO, but I can’t see anything in the team’s history that would indicate such a thing will happen. jettisoning aging veterans, a known—albeit unproductive—quantity, in favor of an unpredictable youth movement (no matter how much “upside”)? it just isn’t going to happen, no matter how badly we’re embarrassed in the first round. if pop won’t take a serious look at promising young players like hill and hairston this season, when injuries have scrambled the lineup on a near-weekly basis, he’s never going to. i really hope i’m wrong about this, but i can’t see how.
one of the things i believe in life is that people never change, not really, and to expect popovich to suddenly reverse the course that’s gotten him so much phenomenal success seems unrealistic to me.
no, i think it seems more likely that our best hope is a miraculously healthy season for the big three next year, a kurt thomas-esque addition before the deadline (or even re-signing gooden, who i still think can be an important contributor with some more time in the system), and one last shot at a championship before the window slams shut.
what makes me sickest of all is that duncan and ginobili deserve better in the twilight of their careers.
I’ve always had trouble getting my head around the fact that most coaches (like most athletes) have a career arc. All but the very greatest stop winning at some point. Why is that? Does the game gradually and subtly change around them, leaving them behind? Do they become inflexible; stuck in a certain mindset? It has puzzled me for a long time.
well, i think that players’ age in a game that absolutely demands peak all-body physical performance (this isn’t baseball, thank god) is the biggest factor, which is why we’re in the fix we’re in now. and when you’ve got a coach (pop) whose career has been so inextricably intertwined with that of one player (tim), then it makes sense that their career arcs should coincide.
a corresponding example, phil jackson, i think illustrates that you don’t have to stop winning if you get to coach multiple top-25 all-time players, at their peaks, in different parts of a 20-year career. the question, i think, is whether pop can continue to find ways to improve the team even as duncan’s abilities decline.
Very impressive
Normally, I can’t stand the Spurs (committed Blazers fan here), but this makes me think twice. Your guys certainly deserve better. It’s no fun getting kicked while you’re down.
Not sure if you rember but during the Euro Cup I became a commited Turkish soccer fan. I even turned a good friend of mine during thier cinderella run-all because of your enthusiasm. I have never enjoyed soccer more.
I don’t know how I feel about the early exit theory for the playoffs. I have a crazy suspicion about this year. In every other sport it seems like a team is coming out of nowhere to win it all or at least come close(phillies, cardinals, mich st,). When Manu was pronounced dead(out for season) I was heart broken but I’ve slowly gained a lot of interest in our “new” team. The dynamics are going to be way different than years past without Manu. I am very interested in seeing how Tony plays in the playoffs when everything is on his shoulders. This will lend us some very good information for future contracts. Thanks for the post Stampler you along with Powell were the ones that got me hooked on this site. LatinD keeps me here though.
LatinD keeps you here but SiMA is no where to be seen
I’m also interested in our new team. I all in favor of sitting Tim until the playoffs and just letting our youth play and gain some confidence. We might find something there…
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
How exactly? :P
Thanks, though.
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Amen brother Stampler.
If you try and take a cat apart to see how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat.
I’m not sure I buy Manu’s “different legs, no relation” argument with regards to whether he should have played in the Olympics. After I broke my ankle, I started playing again while I still had some pain. I couldn’t really cut that well off the still-healing ankle, so the other leg had to pick up the slack. Instead of cutting off the outside foot, I was more pivoting off the inside foot, a maneuver that is much more strenuous (for you engineers out there, I would say that cutting off the outside foot puts your leg into compression, whereas pivoting off the inside foot induces bending in your shin and knee). Sure enough, pretty soon, the other leg started hurting. If I had kept it up I am sure I would have started having serious repetitive stress issues.
That said, I agree with Stampler: what more do we want from Manu? He’s already been a huge part of delivering us three titles. Was it a mistake on his part to play in the Olympics? I guess, if his only goal was to be at peak health for the Spurs’ NBA season. However, from his point of view, this was his last chance to represent his country, with a group of guys that he grew up with, won a gold medal with, that I’m sure he considers to be like brothers.
I do think it would be fair for him (and other NBA players playing on national teams) to be responsible for purchasing insurance on his NBA contract (or risk losing some pay). Perhaps the national team itself should pick up the tab. However, maybe one of the reasons he resigned with the Spurs instead of seeking a bigger contract elsewhere was that they had an understanding that he would be allowed to compete internationally. Who knows?
All I know is I want him to get well, and rest, and come back ready to go next year, for what may be the last hurrah for the big 3. I would absolutely love to see them alongside some youngsters like Gist, Hill, and…ummm… maybe Gooden? Well, you get the point. You know you’re not good enough with Fin and Bruce anymore, so let’s see if we can bring the youngsters along.
One last note: we say that Pop is too enamored of his vets to ever do that, but he basically blew the team up after the 2001 WCF beatdown and went with youngsters like Stephen Jackson, Manu, and Tony (and burying vets like Steve Smith), letting Timmy and Big Dave bring them along. Perhaps Pop just wanted to see if he could wring one last championship out of the current group before he turned the whole roster over again.
Now all we need is a little Energon... and a lot of luck.
Spot on tomasito. I am 11 months past knee reconstructive surgery (acl, pcl, meniscus) in my right knee and I tend to favor it too. Now I’m getting some gnarly shin splints in my left leg. I did the same thing in highschool when playing water polo. I dislocated my right shoulder and when I came back I had a hitch in my stroke and started to develop tendonitis in my left shoulder.
by speedostuffer on Apr 9, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
that’s a good point, and maybe we should be more optimistic about a roster shake-up this off-season or next. however, i do think it’s worth pointing out that pop had a much larger margin for error when he blew up the team in ’01, considering he was rebuilding around: 1) TIM DUNCAN at the absolute height of his powers; and 2) an aging but still very capable robinson, who at ~36 was still worlds better, particularly on defense, than any big on the current roster.
the situation is very different now, when the corresponding building blocks (manu and tim—i love TP but i don’t think you can build a team around him) are both showing very troublesome signs of decline and will probably be retired in the next 2-3 years. the risk that you face in the current situation is to completely destroy the team and effectively waste the last years of ginobili and duncan’s careers (though i’d say that’s already happening), while there is an opposing argument to be made for standing pat and hoping for health, based on the fact that the team was within a few games of the Finals in its current form a season ago.
who knows, maybe it’ll happen, but i tend to think of pop as a cold-war, game-theory, inherently risk-averse guy, and besides, i’m kind of busy wallowing in doom and gloom at the moment.
NBA has become too commercialized...
Which is why the Olympics becomes so much of a stigma. Of course, now David Stern is trying to get FIBA to be more NBA-like, because LeBron James and Dwayne Wade NBA-ed themselves to a gold medal.
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Couldn't have said it better...
Wow, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Must be the San Mateo water?
I take it you may not be going to the game on Monday, Aaron?
Go Sharks!
um no. I think I’ll politely sit this one out. It’s been a very depressing season.
"Like feel or follow or fuck" she said...
by Aaronstampler on Apr 11, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Stampler.
It’s weird – I’ve never read one of your posts as thoroughly or as carefully as this, and now I regret it. This was really, really, really good.
But you don’t need me to tell you that – the good folks here at PtR are always sure to do so. You guys have got a nice joint here.
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A great read. Thanks, Stampler.
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