New York Times: Time to blow up the Spurs?
Found this one in the NY Times, via SI.com, comparing the Spurs current situation to that of the Pistons, whos deconstruction began last offseason. A few good quotes from the story:
The Pistons started the process last fall, despite making six Eastern Conference finals in a row and winning the championship in 2004. Is it now theSpurs’ turn to press the plunger?
The Spurs, trailing the Mavericks, 3-1, after Saturday’s 99-90 loss, could be bounced in the opening round for the first time since 2000. It is perhaps unwise to underestimate Tim Duncan and his mates. They did overcome a two-game deficit against the Hornets last year.
But the Spurs no longer appear capable of such minor miracles, not without the injured Manu Ginobili, and not with the mediocre cast that now surrounds Duncan and Tony Parker, the Spurs’ remaining stars.
Afterward, Parker made an admission that championship teams never make: “They have a lot more weapons than us.”
If Ginobili were healthy, the Spurs might have a fighting chance against Dallas. But could they beat the feisty young Nuggets, much less the talent-rich Lakers? How much longer can the Duncan-Parker-Ginobili trio contend in a Western Conference that is becoming more competitive each season, with rising teams in Portland, Utah and Houston?
The Spurs have become too old in spots (Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto), and their young additions (Roger Mason, George Hill) have fallen flat. They have no great assets to trade, outside of their three All-Stars.
Our group is going to be, more than likely, a group that we don’t pull the plunger on,” Spurs General Manager R. C. Buford said. “We’ll continue to build around those three and hope to add better pieces.”
San Antonio will not have cap space until 2010 (when Ginobili’s contract expires), but there will be plenty of talented free agents who may accept the mid-level exception this summer. Expect the Spurs to make a run at Rasheed Wallace, the longtime starting power forward for the Pistons.
Thats pretty much the bulk of the article. The last quote from Buford is the key to the teams intentions; which is to continue to surround those three with complimentary players. The problem being, as they age, the new guys need to be more than complimentary.
If Buford intends to continue to build around those three, then one can assume Ginobili will be brought back, making that '10 cap room that much less. Having said that, Id keep Manu; he's going to be a key contributor no matter what role he assumes.
Im just at a loss as to how theyre going to address the 2009 offseason; If Sheed comes, one can assume Gooden wont be resigned, but neither move really addresses the real area of need; scoring from the wing positions.
If they can somehow tweek this offseason and remain at the same level, afterall we were a three seed, and then make a run at one of the big fish in '10, then I think they can make a few more runs at the title
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It’s not time to blow it up yet. After the 2010 season the Spurs will have a ton of cap space, so it’s not time to blow it up yet. Getting a big that can rebound and block shots will help and seeing what Marcus Williams has will be key to next season.
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by DennardC on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't blow it up or start rebuilding until Tim retires.
You can’t bring in a bunch of young talent that will take a couple of years to develop. Tim’s one of the all-time greats so you have to maximize the time he has left.
Best hope for the Spurs is to get everyone back as healthy as possible and try to add at the margins. There’s not really much trade bait the Spurs have that they would be willing to part with.
by olf on Apr 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Manu being back fills the need of scoring from the wing position.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I’d like to see more though. Maybe as a backup (or starter, depending how you look at it) for Manu.
by Big50 on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see more, sure, but I think a useful big next to Tim is a bigger area of need than some scoring on the wing after Manu.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. A legitimate center who likes to bang inside is what we need most. I’m not on the Rasheed bandwagon because he isn’t even an upgrade on the defensive end over KT. Sure he stretches the floor but scoring shouldn’t be the biggest of our concerns. We need someone mean on the inside. Like GRRRR!!!! <———————see how mean that was?
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by Manuwar on Apr 29, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who though?
I crossing my fingers for Bosh in 2010, but even thats a longshot. So do they sign someone this year using up the valuable ’10 cap space?
Again, damn you, Tiago
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 29, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
camby or tyson chandler. Both were on the trading block this season and at least chandler will be over the summer.
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by Manuwar on Apr 30, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go with Tyson
for age alone
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by bren on Apr 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
One could argue we needed that even with him this year. There is no real scoring threat outside the big three, at least one who can create his own shot.
I want Manu back when his deal is up, but with two bad ankles now, theres no telling a) how good he’ll be b) how many minutes/games he can play
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by bren on Apr 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I think the article is talking about a SF rather than a SG. Honesly, Findog was our biggest threat at that position, and his defense has become utterly worthless with the ravages of time. Perhaps signing an Ariza-type SF would be in order.
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by Tim C. on Apr 29, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we’re forgetting that George can play the 2 in spots and he is only a small liability on offense. His on ball defense is otstanding
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by Manuwar on Apr 30, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love otstanding — it’s such a perfect word. Reminds me of
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by jollyrogerwilco on May 1, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes…I remember it well. It was when
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by Manuwar on May 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those memes are ancient, like
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by LatinD on May 1, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so 10 minutes ago. Didn’t we move on to
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by bellasa on May 1, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
infighting about Hope vs. Reality? I swear
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by CMoney on May 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is on my agenda. Maybe I’ll take up
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by Absolutely Cynical on May 1, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-is.. Sorry, looked at Scalibrine again and it threw me off. Ugh.. I’m just going to
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by Absolutely Cynical on May 1, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t place much faith in listening to the opinions of experts who thought we’d win <50 games this year; not make it out of the 1st round last year; not win the title in 2007; or 2005; or 2003. These folks make pessimistic predictions every season because the Spurs are “boring” and San Antonio isn’t New York, L.A. or some other preferred Spring travel destination or major media market for the networks. That their dire thoughts came true in one post-season does not give them legitimacy in my eyes.
Pop and crew know what they’re doing. Hell, the mavs hadn’t been past the 1st round in three years and all of a sudden they’re a concern? No. You’re judged by your last game and series until you play another. We still have the best coach and PF in the game, plus a top 3 PG, best 6th man and one young talent on the bench. We’ll add some pieces, have better health and be in next season’s WCF looking to advance. It’s not like we’re New Orleans or Detroit.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the Spurs, of course, but its not that far fetched
We’ve never seen Timmy this way, he’s past the 1,000 games threshold, Manu is all banged up and you can only go so far relying on your PG as the primary weapon.
So,as fans, Im worried that the end is coming, not now or next year, but the writing is on the wall and the FO has to be active to stave that off as long as possible.
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by bren on Apr 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think PG as primary weapon, with the current rules against hand checking but allowing the bigs to be beaten up in the post (as TD and Yao often are), is a good thing. But the PG needs weapons around them. Weapons have to include shooters and slashers; more of one than the other is fine but we never had slashers (other than Manu and Hill) and the shooters all went cold. That the shooters were also poor defenders was too much to overcome.
The bench should be strengthened but I don’t worry about the health of TD and not much about Manu. TD may not be the best player in the game as he was 2003-2006, but TP is way better than he was at that time. Duncan can get support from others areas which is what we need to supply him with to get through the 82 reg season games and provide Pop with some matchup options in the playoffs. Playoff Timmy, as he showed, is fine. That he had no support outside of TP, Bruce and Hill is a shame.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im really worried about Manu
I mean, two bad ankles, with the way he plays….it could severely limit his game
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by bren on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manu is the wildest of wild cards. But he’ll be in a contract year, has no one more competitive than him, will get a summer of rest and have much to prove. Would I count on him for 40 mpg? No. Being a top 25 player over the next 3-5 years? No. But a guy who provides all he does (3pt shooting, FTs, ball handling, energy, smarts, aggressiveness, etc) even at 25-30 mpg is a perfect compliment to Tony, TD and better supporting cast.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i think thats pretty realistic
It all depends on how he spends his summers from now on
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by bren on Apr 30, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who we surround he and the rest of the big 3 with. Gotta have more than Hill and Bowen.
by SpurredOn on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the main issue
Im very interested to see what they do
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by bren on Apr 30, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute BS
Ridiculous.
This is a 50 + win team that had to deal with a series of terrible injuries and went into the playoffs without an irreplaceable cog.
Boston has no KG and are fighting a pitched battle against a chicago team they would normally cane, should they blow the whole thing up? Such a stupid premise.
Sure Roger had a bad series, but George has been great. I don’t know what Vesci (I assume thats who it is) could have been watching the last two games of the season or the first 1/2.
Playing 30 minutes in a must win playoff game after being a late draft pick and doing it well is not falling flat. The kids a fantastic defender, how many Rookies come out of the gate able to play man D that well? George is a find not a bust.
The Pistons are a terrible comparison. They never had anyone like Tim to build around, Manu is more talented in my opinion than anyone on their squad, and TP right now is up in the stratosphere of talent. Detroit had a very even roster 1 through 7. The spurs have always been 3 outstanding Talents + guys that get particular jobs done.
Give us those 3 outstanding talents with good health, an improved George, a healthy Ian M, Roger at a solid level and a couple of talented off season additions and the spurs are contenders.
Manu would have made an incredible difference to this series. No way do the spurs fall apart like this if they had Manu to handle the point and let Tony rest, take up the scoring slack and run the second unit.
I feel very very upbeat about next season i think we can get another 50+ win year under our belt and really make some noise.
Blowing this team up right now would be the most ridiculous insane stupid move the spurs have ever made, and this Franchise is not renowned for being stupid.
So long as we don’t rely on Finley for big minutes or have Bonner starting or playing big minutes we are going to have a heck of a year next year.
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by Bushka on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was taking the longview
I agree with you for the most part and have no visions of the Spurs suddenly being a lottery team, but the team needs more help now than it has in the past.
For my part, its mostly Bowen, Finley and Ime’s spots/roles that worry me. Im just generally curious about Mahinmis abilities, as he’s still a bit of a mystery. But Ian and Tiago could drastically improve our frontcourt athleticism, add those two to say, a Ben Gordon, and we might be onto something
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by bren on Apr 29, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind Ben Gordon for the right price. He’s going to want about 10-11 mill per, and that’s too high a price IMO. I’d like to see what Marcus Williams can do, I don’t know if he’ll be able to make a contribution next season, but it would be great if he could. It’s make a break next season for Mr. Glass Mahminmi, as there is a team option on his contract after next season. If he can add the shot of sorely needed frontcourt athleticism then this team will be hell next season for the NBA.
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by DennardC on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really buy into any of these D league guys yet
They seem to get our hopes up ever year (James White, Marcus Williams and now Hairston), but none of them got a consistent shot. However, I dont see next year as make or break for Ian, again, b/c he’s barely played and he was a 1st round pick unlike the other three.
Lets just hope he has a good training camp so he can get in Pops good graces straight away
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by bren on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take Hairston and/or Williams as athletic energy guys whose job is to frustrate an opponents scorer, make a 50/50 play (steal, deflection, charge, offensive rebound) and slash to the hoop. Not everyone on the roster has to shoot the three. Look at the role players on the Nuggets like Dahntay Jones and Balkman. Play hard, defend, and bring some energy and athleticism. It’s a lot better than shooters who don’t defend. When they go cold, they bring nothing to the table.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to read this
It’s a post on 48MoH about the D-league and what it might become. It’s a great read.
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by CMoney on Apr 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
48MoH is pretty intense
It’s been my homepage the second half of the season.
They already have four or five excellent articles regarding the spurs since they exited the playoffs.
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by Bushka on Apr 30, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish they were in PTR… :)
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by LatinD on Apr 30, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. They do their homework and their writing has depth to it. It’s crazy how they came out of now where and then blew up. Glad their on our side.
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by CMoney on May 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the simple solution would be for the Dleague to be a true minor league
In the same vane as Baseball and Hockey, so players could declare after highschool or college, and teams risk would be lessened b/c they can develop them at a slower pace and in a less stressful atmosphere
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by bren on Apr 30, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camby
How come no one is talking about trying to get Camby? Is he out of the question for some reason (salary, status, contract)? In our championship seasons our second big was not a big scorer, but clogged the middle, blocked some shots and passed. He seems to have a pretty high basketball IQ and must be getting to the stage where he’s more interested in a title shot than money. I think he’d be a great compliment to TD.
by agutierrez on Apr 29, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would MUCH rather have Camby than ‘Sheed, but he’s going to be in the last year of his contract, so we can’t even offer Sterling a salary dump at this point. I just don’t think the Clips will bite on that.
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by Tim C. on Apr 29, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know with Sterling. The franchise is incompetent enough that we should still call, just in case.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Bowen + Oberto’s partially guaranteed contracts? And some combination of future draft picks? That would make an interesting package for a rebuilding team.
I don’t think the Clippers are interested in trading Camby away though. They’re in some unexplainable “win-now” mode despite being a 19 win team.
by NBR on Apr 30, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want Camby as well. In additiong to Sheed. If they both want to win and get it done, our pieces are in place. We’ve got our big three. Camby and Sheed need to make the sacrifice and we do like Boston did in 08. Not that I’m a huge KG fan, or anything, but the 3 bought into a system, and they did give it a heck of an effort – most of the time. Whatever they did, the won a title. The Spurs can do the same.
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by dfjmed on Apr 30, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion this is what our roster should look like mid-july
Duncan
Parker
Ginobili
Hill
Mahinmi
Mason
Thomas
I think the Spurs need to buy out Bowen and Fab because their contracts our only partially guaranteed (and people are actually making it seem like the FO would be willing to do that), trade Bonner and Finley for 2 crispy taco bell tacos and a 2nd round pick, and hopefully pick up Sheed. And then fill the rest of the roster with Torros guys. I thought Bowen played really well against the Mavs, but honestly would having Gist/Williams/Hairston instead of Ime/Bowen/Fin made us any worse off against the Mavs. I’m going to say not. And if next year is going to be a lost cause before we can retool for real in 2010 then why not play those 3 guys for less than $3 mil total and see if one or even 2 of them pan out to be really good players that we will then have signed at a steal.
by staves27 on Apr 29, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had completely forgotten about Gist
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by bren on Apr 30, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[nods]
I think Williams and Hairston will be on the roster next year, with Gist on the Toros.
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by Tim C. on Apr 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like all that except dropping bowen. If used in spots he is still very effective and he can’t do any harm as the 12th guy on the bench if we do make some good signs this summer. Its a business but Bowen along with Tim Manu and Tony are owed their right to finish out their contracts and careers with us if they choose. Besides all that Bowen isn’t making much and he is the sort of guy who will probably be a part of our organization for years after he retires. Why burn that bridge?
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by Manuwar on Apr 30, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see him in an assistant coach role, teaching our young, athletic guys how to play Spurs Defense.
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by Tim C. on Apr 30, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I’d imagine they have that in the works, as we speak. He’s a Spur for the rest of his career.
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by dfjmed on Apr 30, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He prepares and conducts himself in the community as a porfessional, watches film and knows the tendency of an opponent. I want that to still be around and teach HIll and other newcomers how to prepare for and play defense.
He also still gets under the skin of certain players so come playoff time, having him spend minutes on Bareja, Dirk, Allen, Nash or Billups would be important.
by SpurredOn on Apr 30, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the spurs were treated to the same garbage talk after playoff losses in 04 and 06. if you think about it, the team very well could have beaten the pistons in the 04 finals – and you know that we would have housed miami in 06 – heck dallas HAD that series…anyway, it could have been 5 straight chips – but i digress.
i dont think that blow up is the right word at all. blow up means get rid of one of the big three and that would be a terrible mistake.
i would call for a re-tool that basically cuts a bunch of the older bench guys that we have been hanging onto the last couple of seasons. i guess what i am doing here is agreeing with the staves27 roster shown above. i’d go for taking gooden back over KT – but prolly not room for either of them if rasheed tacos up and comes to south texas.
in any case, my point is that we shouldnt pay much mind to any of the national nitwits. if anything is old and tired, its their refrain.
by bones on Apr 30, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We need to get Ben Gordon. A scorer like him is exactly what we are missing.
by neon greon on Apr 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would shat myself if we landed Ben Gordon. pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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by CMoney on Apr 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re not german… are you?
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by bellasa on Apr 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re confusing #1 with #2
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by jollyrogerwilco on May 1, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could definately use Gordon’s offense. I’ve been somewhat critical of his shot selection, but I can’t say I’d turn him down. His salary concers may raise some questions though. I’m not sure we can afford him. He make 6.4M now, which is for the 1 year deal he signed at the beginning of the season, because no one would pay him the 12M he was looking for.
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by dfjmed on Apr 30, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get Sheed, a decent forward, and draft some athletic bigs.
by Linix129 on Apr 30, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tiago and Mahinmi fit your last criteria
Perhaps they could amend that to say ,“draft some athletic American bigs” who will actually come over….Mahinmi absolutely must get a real shot this fall, theyve had little to no return, aside from one great Dleague season out of that first round pick
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