PtR Quick Cap: It's Over. The Season Is Over.
Not much to say about the game. The Mavs shot well, got to the line, we didn't get to the line, shot poorly from 3, and played no defense.
Come on in and discuss.
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Is it time to panic, or should we just go straight to mass suicide? Discuss.
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No need to panic, but we can’t sit still either. Hill was a find, Mason was a plus most of the time this season, and I can see good things for Gooden, if we resign him. And the two biggest pluses – Timmeh and Tony. And then there’s that Brazilian dude who should be healthier next year.
Although I’m currently a proponent of the grape juice, we still have the basic nucleus of a great team. Tim, Tony & Manu. We just need to get rid of the dead weight and and bring on the youngsters.
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Good point Carla.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don’t use my middle name, Roberto. You know I don’t like it.
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Sorry, no offense meant, Eugenia.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You kindly, Carlton.
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Np, Gertrude.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweet, Poindexter.
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You are too gracious, Griselda.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Harold, you epitomize good manners.
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And you, Chantilly, elegance.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the one bright spot in an otherwise pitch black dungeon of shit has been Geroge Hill. The kid can play.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
Agreed. I’m glad Pop played him the last two games. I think George played the entire second half tonight. That says a hell of a lot to me. Plus, the kid made good decisions in the game.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Duncan’s play? That was the brightest spot. He’s not done.
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Don’t Panic. It’s in the good book.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions
sure could use a pan galactic gargle blaster right about now….
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
thats it? this is how it ends? in 5 games? against dallas? in the first round?
fuck off. i’m not ready for the season to be over.
damn it,
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Apr 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
Hehe, nice little doggie.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i’m stuck between thinking how incredibly cute that is…and how cruel the owner is for doing it.
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Apr 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
We’re really solid and deep at the 1 and 2, with Parker/Manu/Hill/Mason. We’re also good at the 5, obviously, with Timmy, though we can no longer rely on him to dominate.
We’re absolutely terrible at the 3 and 4. That has to improve. Is there anyone on the Toros who could play there? Hairston is too small. Maybe Marcus Williams, or James Gist, or Yawn, or random free agent (Trevor Ariza?). If we can get someone even passable there, Bowen and Finley will be serviceable in limited roles as backups.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I think we can rely on Tim. We just need to seriously limit his minutes during the stupid regular season next year.
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What about Rasho? I know he’s not a great answer, but he worked well in our system.
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Rasho couldn’t get minutes ahead of Nazr and Horry on the Spurs. I don’t think he would help at all. He’s like an interior version of Matt Bonner—doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, but isn’t that good or useful.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
One thing we really have to remember is how different this team is with a healthy Manu Ginobili. Our future seasons are not hopeless. Like Stampler said earlier in the season, we have 3 of the 25 or so NBA players that actually matter.
That doesn’t mean that we can just sit back and hope that everything gets better. But there is reason for optimism.
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G.I.S.T.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions
Under contract: Tim, Tony, Manu, Ian, George, Matt, Mason, Kurt
Partially guaranteed: Bruce, Fab
Player Option: Findog
Free agent: The JV, Ime, Gooden, Marcus Williams
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Buh-bye, Fab. And JV. And Marcus, we hardly knew ye.
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I’m going to be driving through Dallas soon. Can I get directions to the AA Center so I can flip a bird on the way by??
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions
You can’t miss it from I35E. I drive by it everyday on my way to and from work.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
I’ll do my best….
It’s kind of a one shot deal. I’m on my way to VA. for a month.
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You could stop and give the Stampler German salute.
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Explain and it’s a done deal… hahaha
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Bella, are you trying to get our new friend arrested?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey…
There’s a first time for everything.
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He could do it in the middle of the night. If ozzy hadn’t been drunk, he would have gotten away with it, too.
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I think he might be a she.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, here I thought you were a guy… Oh, hell do it anyway, it’ll make us all feel better.
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That’s kinda why I asked you to explain….. you tell me how a female can get it done..
Wait.. I don’t wanna know!!
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s ok Bell.
I tend to blame my duel personality for those kinds of mistakes.
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he might be a she.
btw… that needs to be recc’d!!!! haha
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Atleast Tim and Tony didn’t die out there. They played like the Champs they are.The guys out there that mattered for us played hard.
I thank you all for graciously accepting me on this site and letting me watch basketball with you this season. PTR has become a welcome addition to my life, as have all of you! I look forward to a, hopefully, productive off-season.
Where do we (as fans) go from here? Loser threads? We’ll call the Champ threads. :P
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ATS said:
You realize Tim only had 8 boards in 42 minutes right?
He was hitting his jumper though.
He was also posting up just fine, did a couple of turnaround jumpers, passed the ball when he was doubled, hit the bank shot…
What if we actually get a big able to help him corral down rebounds?
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You are such a dreamer! Yeah, it would be nice to have a big that played with him.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
we’re missing a shot blocker. i was hoping Ian would be that player for us. say what you want about our previous bigs after Robinson, but they could at least block a shot here and there. No one other than Hill or Timmy can block a shot on our team!!! :(
He didn’t play a single minute tonight. I don’t think either party is interested
by One4theThumb on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that Pop is enamored of big men who shoot the 3, thanks to Horry. With Horry, he had a guy who could do that plus play useful defense and rebound against other bigs. Now he’s searching for the next version of Horry, so we get pale imitations like Bonner or Tolliver. Failing that, I think he’d rather play a small (like Fin or Udoka) who can (allegedly) hit a three, rather than a big who can’t.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
’Sheed?
And with that I’m out. Great year still, fellas. Keep your heads up. We had a lot of exciting games this season and those are memories that I’ll add to my already vast Spurs collection. Besides, the long vacation might actually help.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell yeah. ’Sheed bandwagon, here I come.
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I’ve been VERY big supporter of bringing Rasheed in.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If his head’s on straight, he would be perfect. I don’t mind picking up another oldster, as long as there’s some tread on that tire. Our window is closing, and I don’t care if we crash and burn after Manu and Timmy are done, so I don’t think we need to get younger. We need to get bigger and better.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
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’Sheed can hit the 3, become that enforcer people asked for, and just add some crazy to the unit. Who knows? It might work.
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Do you think Sheed and KT would get in fights in practice?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone says that Wallace is a great teammate, that he is just a crazy person on the court. His play was so dispassionate in the Cleveland series, though, I wonder if he really didn’t want to be there that badly, or if maybe he’s lost it physically.
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
He’s wanted out for a while now.
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If he signs with the Spurs, hopefully he just needs a change of scenery. If he signs elsewhere, well…
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
i know this sounds geeky
but i have been watching Sheeds performances all year as i had him on a Fantasy Team.
He has been way below the guy you may be remembering fondly.
I’d prefer him than Gooden, but unless he really wants to be here it 1) wont happen and 2) wouldn’t be productive anyway.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
i dunno about sheed. i was watching him during the cleveland close-out the other day and he’s kind of a mark-ass buster.
Ok, everyone here complains about being old and un-athletic, yet the answer then is supposed to be another old guy based on what everyone last remembers about him from 3 years ago?
Let’s be creative and find someone young, teachable, cheap and has a possibility to solidify the spot for at least 3-4 years. Then let’s pray that Pop actually plays him.
I hope they’ll be threads for the other games on here so we can discuss/mock/be jealous of other teams
Me too. I’m a bigger fan of the NBA as a whole this year, and for the first time, I am going to try to continue watching the playoffs even after SA is eliminated.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
Shoot yeah. I’ll be around. There are some great series still going on, and I will be able to enjoy them since my heart won’t break depending on the outcome.
Hey…I wouldnt want to watch the rest of the playoffs without getting your guys’ take on everything. Not after this season.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
There’ll be such threads. But as I told dfj, you can help us by making some of your own.
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Nba.com will have it up in a few hours. He wasn’t crying, just looked sad and watery eyed
by One4theThumb on Apr 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hello guys…..strange.Im not that down…….
Did you guys notice what pop said in the post conference? He said " They are a better team than us ……….right now."
You gotta love that looking ahead.Knowing this is just one season …
We need a guy who can block shots. Did you guys notice how they killed us on the midrange game? Where they would pass up the long jumper, drive it in a little and take a higher percentage shot?
That’s not a shot-blocking issue. That is the exact shot that teams take when there are shotblockers to worry about. If not, they take it all the way to the rim.
That is about piss-poor rotations off of double teams. Therefore the close out comes too fast and leaves a driving lane.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions
My 60 year old mother texted me “Fucking Spurs! Chumps!”
by One4theThumb on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Mason
Could’ve been the 3rd scorer. 1 point the last two games. 8 in the last three. Good Lord we coulda used some scoring help.
My thoughts on our needs
A big who can block shots (Maybe Ian?)
A 3/swing that can guard and make a few open shots (someone like Ariza would be perfect, or if Hill suddenly grew about 4-5 inches).
For our 3/Swing, what we need is Bruce Bowen. Someone who can defend and then hit a shot. The fact that the Spurs FO has been trying to find a developmental “Bruce Replacement” for the past 4 years is telling. Unfortunately, where are they going to find one? There aren’t many players as reliable on D as Bruce.
Agree on the athletic big who can block shots and rebound. It’s what everyone’s been saying all year. Unfortunately, these guys don’t grow on trees and tend to be way overpriced. That’s why the Spurs better desperately hope they find one in their developmental group.
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Timmy D …. enough said.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 28, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions
That’s my mom for ya!!
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t…
I have two older brother.
’Nough said!!
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
+s
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
GIGGITY!
It is what it is.
We are who we are.
by SinCitySpur on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I remember AC saying she had a daughter so that would mean PTR now has a grandma on board. Awesomeness.
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WoW.. You really do pay attention to what I write. I has a special feeling!! haha
Yeppers, I do indeed have a 10 year old daughter, one who wants to join this site. She is very angry at her mother for not allowing it to happen. I do believe her grandmother would second that motion. Poor angry 10 year old…. :-(
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s great. My mom shuns sports.
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Ms. Smith is one of the most rabid Spur’s fans I know.
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a cool Mom, AC. Let’s keep this blog burnin’!
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 29, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. She’s one of the coolest moms I know. But as she puts it “Not THAT cool!!” haha
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for having me.
Yep, I remember the kids friends saying your mom is so cool, that’s when I would come back with NOT that cool, don’t ever believe it !
Don’t worry about the language, while I do try to keep it to a minimum, I seem to recall saying what ATS’s wife said last night, just insert the Mavs for the Spurs. In fact, I think I remember saying the same thing about Terry with a few more descriptive words thrown in as well. But you know when you get older, you can blame bad memory for a lot !!
Being a grandmother at this age happens when you have your kids young, then your kids (older than I was) have theirs young. It is a big cosmic karma thing that pays you back for making your mother a grandmother at a younger age. Cool thing is you get a nickname like Omie from the little one. When I asked her why she called me that, she explained that I was her other mommie. She is the cool one.
Timmy D .... enough said.
Press conference feed
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But nobody is one right now. It’s just an empty table in a room full of reporters.
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+1
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well how many “Thank God the Spurs Are Out of the Playoffs!” stories do we think will be on the web tomorrow??
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This team succesfully reloads with a shotblocker( maybe sheed), a better small forward ( Sorry Ime), And manu ginobili on the court.
Maybe get rid of some of the dinosaurs ( Fabio…….KT?)
Bruce probably has one more lock down season left in him.
Who comes back?
Duncan, Parker, Manu, Hill, Bowen for sure.
Mason, Ime, Fab, maybe KT are likely.
Everything else is open. Can Ian get healthy? Do we go after Shee and/or Ariza? I know one thing: outside of our core guys, we have too many regular season players. No one other than Hill seemed willing or excited to step up and score or get dirty on D. In a playoff series. Can’t have that and hope to advance. I’d rather win ugly and be “boring” than play like the Mavs and Suns.
I’d go after Ariza. You take a main player from your number one opponent and gain an athletic wing player who can defend and shoot. Win/Win. Sheed would be nice but I’d go for Ariza first.
If Ariza is available for the right price,its a no brainer……..instant athleticism and three point shooting in a tall package…
very likely. i’ll be happy if he signs with the spurs, but i’d be satisfied if he’s not with the lakers too.
As is, we’re going to be 5mil over the cap
by One4theThumb on Apr 29, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
The Spurs gave up DAGGERS to Jason Terry late. Just because he’s cold all series doesn’t mean you leave the Mav’s best ckutch shooter LATE IN THE FOURTH.
I am here to mock your inadequacy.
Well, I’m heading off to bed. I’d take a shower but I don’t really trust myself around sharp objects at the moment.
’Night all!!!
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions
later and have a safe trip!
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Trips not til mid June. Thank god!!
But thanks!!
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
+G
Oops
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
hey guys
always draw some joy from the fact that we didn’t even get to the playoffs to have a nice, friendly elimination at your hands
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
Closing the comments for the game threads might encourage people to move to the new thread, ATS, but it also ruins any chances of continuing the conversations in it after the game. Like we usually do.
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Ok, I opened them back up you big baby.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
By the way, guys. We might not be able to win the championship this year. There, I admit it. :)
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Glad we can count on you to have a great perspective and realistic outlook of how this series might go LD. I like your forward thinking and positive outlook!!
Way to go blowing those romantics out of the water with that one! Glad you could admit to it before everything was said and done! That’s taking one for the team!! :- P
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Hipuks’ arguments were simply too alluring.
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The Glory Days arent necessarily over
Timmy still has some good years left, Manu can hopefully get healthy and be a 6th man of the year contender, and Tony is one of the top 5 PGs in the league.
The Front Office really needs to Do Work this offseason to compliment and help those three before Timmy and Manu really get over the hill
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Next Season
What a frustrating season. We coulda been a contender. I agree that , if Tim and Manu come back fully healed, we’ll be in the thick of things next season, but if the last series showed anything, it’s that we need some help. I think Gooden doomed himself from playing and coming back when he said publicly that he played his best ball with Timmy on the court. Pop would take that as a rebuke of the way he had been playing him, essentially as Timmy’s backup. Obviously, none of us know if Ian is part of the answer and hopefully, we’ll get to find out early. Earlier in the season, a lot of PtR folks talked about the possibility of landing Camby. At the time, I didn’t think much of it. But watching this series and going back and watching our dismantling of the Cavs in ‘07, I think Camby just might work. Does anyone know what the numbers look like? Most importantly, one can only hope that Pop’s love affair with Finley and Bonner as starters will cool over the summer. People talk about our problems in the 3rd quarter. Bullshit. It seems like every game we lost began with an opponent’s explosion from the gate. Halfway thru the first we’d be behind by 10 – 15 points. With our age issues, it simply takes too much energy to come back from that hole. And that would always be our margin of defeat. And I attribute a good part of that to Pop starting Fin and Matt. God love ’em, but they are not starters on any NBA team, and most certainly not the Spurs.
Good Point
I’m not big on counter factual, but retrospect, the Camby trade shows that the FO isn’t stupid. The 3-point shooting faltered but the lack of shot-blocking/rebound was the Spurs’ one irreparable flaw. This series would have been much different if it hadn’t have been for Barea’s freedom to get to the hoop and Dampiers’ pushing everyone around in the paint. The Spurs had a solid gameplan for the Mavs starts.Those other two were the difference.
Huh?
With all due respect Neuwaldegg, you say you think the FO did well in not going after Camby, but then your analysis of the series is that Barea’s getting to the hoop and Dampiers’ work were what doomed us. Isn’t that what Camby would have brought, an inside defender, shot blocker and rebounder when Timmy was pulled away from the basket?
I think he is making the point that the pursuit of the Camby trade shows the FO isn’t stupid. They knew what we needed and tried to get it.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh
My misread, thanks for the clarification ATS. BTW: does anyone know if it’s in the numbers to go after him again?
Well, we have the same contracts, so I think it could work. However, Camby is in the last year of his deal now. I’m not sure what we could give them that they would really want.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Reporter: “Hindsight being 20/20, would you play George Hill more in the first 2 games”
Pop: “No, absolutely not”
Pop does not seem to have hindsight.. or presentsight…. nor futuresight for that matter.
: : sigh : :
One can only hope…….
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Guess I should have put a disclaimer at the bottom of my post. I love our Pop, even if i do question his decisions and mindset periodically.
Disclaimer for above post
(psssstttttt…. I’M BEING SARCASTIC!!!!)
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the Lakers were done when Shaq left. They thenmissed the playoffs when Kobe was injured. Then they developed a few young guys and traded for the other pieces (Odom, Gasol, Ariza, Brown) and are off and running. We need to keep developing Hill, maybe bring back Hariston, sign Sheed, and get Ian healthy to develop him for a full season. Then get Tiago in a year. Remember, we won 54 games with significant injuries, a new 2 guard, rookie backup PG and old bench. Next year we’ll be better.
by SpurredOn on Apr 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good analysis. I’m not all that bleek about next season either. We know that Tim, Tony and Manu aren’t going anywhere. That’s where it starts, and ulitmately ends. Those three carry us to victory. It’s the inbetween that is the problem.
(In no order)
I know Rasheed is old, but I believe he can be a good role player for us. I think he wants to be here. I agree we need to develope Hill. Lots of potential there. We should keep Mase, though only as a spot up shooter. He cannot handle the ball. Bowen…I couldn’t let Bruce go. He’s still good on D, and thats important. Finley, Bonner- gone. Sorry. I know Fin’s given us some good years, but he and Bonner have proven they are not reliable and consistent. They’ve proven that. Mase is kind of the same way, useful only as a spotup shooter, but we have more invested in him. Fab, Ime, gone. Gooden, I’d say keep around. He can rebound and score, and I don’t think he ever really had a chance to develope with this team yet. KT…eh, keep. He had a good season. Ariza, while I can’t honestly say I like the guy (based solely b/c he’s a Laker and has stung us), I’ll take him on our team. We’ve all been on that side of things (see Robert Horry- Suns-Rockets-Lakers) He can play.
(I think that’s all I have for now.)
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I’m all for a Camby pickup too, btw, and wouldn’t mind trading Bonner/Fin/Ime/Fab, any combo. We need his D and rebounding.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely not over
I was negative about the 2008-2009 season before it tipped off. I said things like that would be lucky to win 50 games and didn’t think George Hill would be able to contribute. Six months later, I’ve done a 360, this team will win nearly 60 games in 2009-2010 and they will be in title contention. I’m also a big believer in George Jesse Hill Jr. and think he’ll be able to give you 20-25 solid minutes a game next season. So this run ain’t over.
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True. Most “experts” I read had us at 46-50 wins and a 5 seed. with Manu only missing the early games. Despite much worse, we win 54 and tie for the 2nd best record. Next year Hill won’t be a rookie, Mason will be in his second year in our system, TD & TP will be rested from the season ending before May 1 (wiping tear away), Manu will be back and the anger from this embarassament will fuel these guys. All this is before we make upgrades over Fin, Bonner, JV and Gooden.
Pop, TD & Manu are the most competetive SOB’s you can can on a team. You better believe the strategy meetings will be a focused affair and we’ll come back stronger, hungrier and yes, more athletic.
I’ve said it time and again to people I know, and I stand by it still. Of all the players in this league, there are still no three players I’d rather go to battle with than Tim, Tony and Manu.
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It does not appear that Tony Parker is going to be rested, he is committed to the French national team over the summer. They failed to qualify directly for the EuroBasket tournament and have to play a qualifying tournament, so he might have an extra workload. And if you thought that the Spurs usage of Tony in the Dallas series was a lot, you have not seen the French play, their entire offensive sets are give ball to Tony, watch Tony, jog back to the defensive end, repeat. It’s brutal, and one thing I have noticed this season is that his stamina isn’t that great. Hopefully, he avoids any major injury because the FSM knows we can’t afford any more injuries to our Big 3.
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i was super-sick last night and not able to get in on the game thread. heck, i’m just now able to sit upright for more than 10 minutes ata time. what a shitty shitty way to end the season.
one thought did keep crossing my mind as i lay on the couch sweating out my fever with 4-5 covers on top of me. it was the shovel. for the last several years, the spurs used a shovel to bury all of their opponents. i mean, just bury them. to me, you always knew they were going to win all the tough games. they were gonna keep pounding the rock until it split. some of that was still there with timmy lighting up dallas to tune tune of 8-9 made FGs in a row – but it was never enough. we never got enough of theat “spurs basketball” that we all love and everyone else hates.
last night was different, our boys were using a shovel all night, but it was for trying to dig themselves out of a hole. it was the same kind of digging that our boys had been doing most of the year, really.
from here on into the summer, i am hoping they use that shovel to move some of the dead weight that kept us chained to the bottom in this series. i love some of theese men, but at minimum we gotta cleanse the roster of guys like ime, jv, bruce, fin, matty, KT and fab. we still need a back-up for Tony and another solid big – but forgodsakes, its time to bring in some other guys that can play D.
sadly, only a fraction of those moves will probably be made. and we will be contractually obliged to some too. but our run can definitely continue with the right mix of guys behind the healthy big 3. i’m bummed about right now, but not totally bummed about the future. these guys are NOT gonna stand for getting bounced out in the first round.
Keep Bowen and either KT or Fab. Ime is fine as a defending/rebounding role player. I agree on the rest, especially a backup for Tony. Hill needs to take minutes from Manu and Bruce not be the #2 PG.
Your shovel analogy sounds quite apt. The Mavs never had to dig out of anything. They never trailed in the 4th quarter of games 3, 4 or 5. Think about that. Never trailed, no pressure. The one game they did? IN game 2 they couldn’t shoot straight. We rarely put them down and never kept them their when we did. The PtR mantra that has been our foundation went away all season. Gotta get back to that.
Not Bowen and Kurt. They can still play.
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i tend to agree with you about both of those guys – and i may have gotten a little carried away, but it is also time to make a big change in the personnel running the system.
i love bruce bowen. he will forever be one of my all time favorites. he’s the ultimate team player and one of its leaders. his face should appear on any photo that marks the spurs success over these times. however, if it were up to me, he’d go. i am willing to accept bruce as the 10th or 11th man next season if we cant find another younger body to contribute.
Maybe your sickness messed with the mojo? Sorry to hear it man, I like getting rid of everyone but Ime. He plays good D and his shot is getting better, he just needs a stronger mental grasp of the game (see: turning ball over when Duncan hasn’t missed a shot in 2nd half and is calling for it wide open 5 feet from the basket).
KT can still play, but I don’t like paying him 4.5mil for little offensive contribution and not many minutes. Some night he can hit the 10 foot baseline jumper, and other nights he’s way off. We need someone big and athletic that can play alongside Tim. Sadly, I don’t think that magical player is available in the foreseeable future.
by One4theThumb on Apr 29, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Just wanted to add to this discussion, Stampler you freaking suck! You got all that heat from PTR and for what? You were wrong as hell. We lost in 5, not in 7.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
He said 6. Still wrong though.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
“All that heat”? Yeah, I can already imagine the dead threats…
I think the only heat he received was from German individuals who secretly enjoy being pissed on.
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Heh. Nice.
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by Absolutely Cynical on Apr 29, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You want me to say, all the PtR-ers giving you such a hard time? That sounds like I’m 70, and it could set up a TWSS.
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I know he didn’t post no damn rainbow.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 29, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It must be nice with Dirk Noringski being your best player and all.
by Linix129 on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
The Hornets are +11 tonight. Seems a little low to me.
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you could probably pick up Frye w/ the Biannual exception or a fraction of the MLE.
He’s a good player if he gets his minutes, he just doesn’t give Portland anything LMA doesn’t and Outlaw is more effective as a mismatch 4 then as a 3.
Also, Shawn Marion would be pretty awesome in S.A.
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Please hear me out
Let me start off by saying Thank you. I have gone on other team’s blogs and the debates have been very heated. But recently a post was up on the Lakers blog and I just had to come here not as an enemy but just as a basketball fan. I have a friend who is a die hard Spurs fan. But, we never argue about which team is better. I have so much respect for the Spurs. Now, I am not here expecting brownie points or anything like that. But as a fan of the game you cannot help but admire a great team. I cannot believe to admit this but I seriously appreciate Pop’s coachins style. I seen him once call a time out in a game and he just got into Duncan’s face. Someone on the Lakers post said it best when they said that Laker fans hated the Spurs but mostly because of the threat they posed to the Lakers. But, believe me, any Laker fan that says, “I wish we met the Spurs in the playoffs” is a dam liar! Maybe this year yes but not prior to that. Either way, I love the Lakers but respect the Spurs 100% and although I do not believe this team’s best days are behind them like the media wants to suggest I am not looking forward to any additions this team might make for next year. Good luck and sincerely speaking I truly believe that this teams has been one of the best coached teams and a classy champion. THANK YOU!
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions
With that, I can honestly say I wish your team the best of luck and I appreciate the post.
They made an excellent move getting Shannon Brown, the small kind of move that puts a team over the top. We could’ve used him as a backup to TP. Your second round series should be entertaining but a WCF vs the Nuggets would likely be an entertaining series to watch. Good luck and hope to see your guys in next season’s WCF.
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I appreciate you giving the time to read my post. Nothing but admiration for the Spurs. Truly mean that. Same to you and your team.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
One more thin
SpurredOn, I just read your comment on S. Marion and believe me you are 100% right. The ironic part is that today I started reading that Suns book, 7 seconds or less about the Suns and before I read it I would of said that I would trade LO for Marion. Not any more. That dude is a head case and probably one of the most insecure on the team. I can see why the Suns traded him. I wouldn’t trade him for Bowen. No matter what his age is.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No surprise how guys like Marion spoil chemistry and get you just close enough to lose when the going gets tough. They’re never willing to take that extra step for the team that often puts them over the top.
Though I don’t believe we have anyone like that on the Spurs, it’s why this season and ending have been so tough. We didn’t play the Spurs way. Win or lose there’s been a method to Pop’s madness and a way we expect to play. What this year has been, since opening night, is not it.
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