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Game 1 Quick Cap: We Have Them Right Where We Wanted Them

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Lookin' bleak

It's great that I get to write this Quick Cap. There's nothing quite like sitting in front of a keyboard right after a hard loss to a bitter rival in the first game of the postseason. Still, I feel it's my duty as the resident optimistic rube to try and find a positive outlook about this debacle. Thankfully, Spurredon posted this on the game thread:

We lost game one at home in round 1 in 2003, ‘05, and ’07. The latter two were just as uninspiring and poorly executed as this game. We’ll bounce back.

There you go, guys - for those of you unable to understand why we lost tonight, it's basically all part of a big plan to secretly mirror previous successful season. Look for Mason to start using his left hand to dribble and start driving to the basket in game 2.

Star-divide

So, what went right for the Spurs last night? Basically, Finley and Mason played at the level we wanted from them. They were absolutely outstanding from beyond the arc, and shot 9-10 from deep while the game was still a game. Finley in particular was incredibly effective, and even had some nice defense in the first half.

Duncan looked better than he has for many games, and played what would be considered a pretty good game by most standards: 27 points and 9 rebounds in 13-24 shooting are nothing to sneeze at. Timmy played good enough for us to win.

Parker looked great in spurts last night. He had a couple of miscues at the start and then simply dominated Wright. The Mavericks had no answer for them for a quarter. Unfortunately, Wright picked up three fouls and Barea was subbed in.

Gooden looked active when he was in. His shooting wasn't as accurate as it's been lately, but he hustled and defended Dirk as well as any Spur in recent history for a couple of plays in the second half. He looked especially good when compared to the other complimentary Spurs bigs.

What went wrong? Just about everything else. Most glaring of all was Bonner's plays. You could practically see the Mavs score climb by the second every time the ball went to Dirk and Matt was on him. It was pathetic. If Bonner doesn't shoot triples, he's useless in this series. I expect him to be hidden in the unfathomable depths of JV's edge of the bench if we are to have any chances in this series.

Parker's second half had everything to do with our loss. His inexplicable obsession with driving against Barea proved to be our undoing, and the offense got stagnant when he insisted on playing one-on-one ball and exploiting the supposed speed/skill difference against the Mavs upstart. Memo to Tony: Barea is quick. He can keep up with you.

There was one play in which Parker performed a vicious crossover and destroyed Barea's ankles. I wish that hadn't happened. Maybe it gave Parker the confidence to constantly challenge Barea, but the kid sure came back with a vengeance. Parker's ability to penetrate should've resulted in more perimeter shots, but I doubt the majority of his 8 assists came in that second half.

Tony's The Man right now, and while he wasn't chopped liver, we really need him to play at a higher level.

Last but not least, Dampier abused us on many ocassions, and Bonner has a pathetic flop against him that resulted on a fierce dunk over his prone body. Shameful.

What now? Stay calm, make changes, sub Bonner, focus and come back on Monday. It's our first true must-win game of the season, and I can't wait to see how our guys react.

What did you guys think?

 

(Go to Spurs.com's page for highlights and the postgame conference.)

EDIT: Added video of postgame reaction and comments.

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I think the officiating certainly helped Dallas as well.

by Linix129 on Apr 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not that it had any relevance in the outcome. And we did get 3 fouls on Dirk before the end of the first half.

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by LatinD on Apr 18, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. I don’t think the refs are to blame for this one. You can say Duncan was being pushed down low when he shot and a few of them were blatant but we were doing the same to Dirk and they were letting us.

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by Manuwar on Apr 19, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You hit the nail right on the head with Tony LD. His play was not terrible but for a player of his calliber much much more is needed of him. His engagement of a one on one battle with Barea was the single biggest reason we lost that game.

No more Bonner in this series please. Gooden did a fine job on Dirk and in the first half, before Tony decided to become the black hole, Drew had some strong post play.

I don’t think we need to switch Bruce on Barea because then Terry will just get loose, we just need Tony to play smarter.

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by Manuwar on Apr 18, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LD< you and the previous commenters pretty much nailed it.

I hate Barea. This isn’t exactly the first time he’s torched us, but we have no answer – ever. He’s the new Devin Harris, and that’s not a good thing for us. You’re also right about Tony’s assists… I remember he had 7 at the half.

Oh, and what the FUCK was Bonner doing on the court for most of the 4th quarter? seriously. Less of that, and more Gooden or Thomas could be a much better formula. Nobody’s going to stop Dirk, but I think those guys would do a better job of compensating.(Kurt could slow him a little, Gooden can score inside)

Please get better for real this time, Manu.

by Tim C. on Apr 18, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm going to be positive this time around

first off good recap LatinD. Not much else needs to be said but i think that a lot of that loss can be blamed on the fact that the Mavs hit their jumpers in the 2nd half. I thought the Spurs D on Nowitzki was pretty damn good considering who we have to guard him. The plan was to let other people take shots and beat us and those other people did and we got beat. I don’t expect guys like Bass, Barrea, Wright, and even Howard to hit like they did tonight for the whole series. Bass was like what 8 for 10 or something ridiculous. Then again i don’t expect us to go 11 for 14 from beyond the arc either. Can you really shoot that high of a percentage from 3 and lose? I guess you can.

But great points on parker that was right on, and even though i don’t think Barrea can keep this play up (i know that he has had a great season and has torched the Spurs among others) if he does keep this up then we are in trouble because he seems to throw the whole defensive scheme off.

Just for kicks i’m in on the losing the first game of round 1 in odd years scheme.

by staves27 on Apr 18, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mojo points in the right direction

I was really hoping for a first round series with Nuggets as was the case in 05 and 07. But, Mavs of 09 are the Nuggets of 05 and 07 – a very hot team at the end of the season. I am really happy the way it has unfolded so far, including this loss as LD points out! I think we will win the championship if we win the series without conceding any more games to the Mavs!!!

PS: Pop got a lot of criticism for playing Horry and not playing Bonner in the playoffs last year. Is it justified?

PPS: Are there any AARP posts by any Dallas reporters??

by kichcha on Apr 19, 2009 12:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MAVS fan here. You guys did an ok job on Dirk. But even when Dirk has a “bad” game he still gets 19 pts. Not a helluva lot you’re gonna be able to do about that. But face it, the Mavs have a much better bench than the Spurs do and it’s our bench (plus Josh Howard) that won us the game. Just think what might happen if Dirk goes off (which I think he will sooner or later) and the 6th Man of the Year gets going. I have the upmost respect for the Spurs….former champions and all that, but my MAVS are HOT!! And I don’t see that going away in this series.
GO MAVS!

by Cynthia56 on Apr 19, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One game does not make a series. I think the benches are about even; tonight Dallas’ shot well. You tip your cap and move on.

The reason Terry and Dirk didn’t get it going was both by Spurs design and Carlisle sticking with Bareja over Terry and going through Howard. I’m more impressed that Toy had a poor game and still ended up with 24. He should get 30+ every game versus this defense.

by SpurredOn on Apr 19, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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by LatinD on Apr 19, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, for shizzle.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney

by bellasa on Apr 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like a pedophile. Seriously. Imagine him walking around with a free candy sign. Not a pretty sight.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.

by CMoney on Apr 19, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me he looks like a Neanderthal. A pedophile Neanderthal.

My tapeworm tells me what to do.

by Hipuks on Apr 19, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has no pupils!

by Linix129 on Apr 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My god, you’re right.

by Lauri on Apr 19, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good rights & wrongs. Changes definitely need to include getting Bonner off the court if he is playing like tonight and PLEASE Tony step it up much higher.

by cojones2thewall on Apr 19, 2009 1:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like picking on Bonner but tonight was borderline pitiful. Horry at his age could’ve signed and played better D. I’d rather start Bowen on Dirk and have a smaller lineup. Smaller defenders give Dirk more trouble anyway (remember Jackson in the ’07 upset).

I am ready to wear a “FREE GEORGE HILL” t-shirt. This series is made for him. A few minutes on Terry and many more on Bareja. Pop wasted a great chance to go with HIll in the 2nd when he had an 11 point lead. He also would’ve shut down Bareja in the 2nd half and got his playoff feet wet right away. Tonight felt like a wasted opportunity versus a team whose confidence is a mile wide but an inch deep.

The poor defense and rebounding lost the game but let’s also be real: Duncan shot 1 FT in 37 minutes with 24 FGA. Dirk had 5 on 9 fewer FGA. Get real. If all the contact TD and TP took had been called correctly, we may have still survived.

by SpurredOn on Apr 19, 2009 2:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Nuts & Bolts of it for me...

Firstly Tony has to hit the roller more often when he comes off that pick at the top.

There were a bunch of times particularly in the second half where he seemed determined to just use the Pick as something to look at on his drive by to the hoop. Particularly when Tim was the guy doing the rolling straight down the middle of the kyey. Anytime you get to give him the ball in the painted area in motion in my opinion you do it.

When you constantly do one thing and don’t vary your play you give a guy like Barea a chance. If you keep hitting that Pick & Roll or Pick & pop guy every once in a while then Barea becomes a liability, especially in a switch situation.

He is a quick scrappy backup guard who can shoot well and does a decent job penetrating, and i think he got a hand up on both ends of the floor from Tony Parker. Tony was screwed at times from doing his best Steve Nash impersonation and literally dribbling out the shot clock running under the hoop out and in etc. Consequently I think TP had a hard time when Barea penetrated off the high screen from Dampier & Dirk because his energy at such a low ebb.

Secondly, Bass doesn’t play this game again. I have seen a lot of his work during the season simply because i get 2 Games a week here in oz and they are pot luck with regard to who plays who. He is a great athletic guy, and that alone gives us problems, but the things he was hitting were circus shots. He does have a nice mid range jumper like most of the Mavs, and he is fearless and assertive but the turn around fades etc wont always be there.

Finally. Mase went to the point and things fell to bits. Momentum was lost, the Offense broke down, he had one good assist to Gooden which was a straight forward pick & roll (HELLO TONY), but making him run the offense is just bad i wont elaborate any more because Stampler already got the poo’s in the game thread when i mentioned it.

We have all talked about Mase & the point till blue in the face, Pop just doesn’t agree with us. It’s like every season he has some wierd pet thing, i.e giving the ghost of Robert Horry minutes vs the Lakers…playing the JV etc.

Well heres hoping Tony keeps mixing his play up in game 2 like he did in the first quarter. Would also not mind him taking a few long jumpers off the pick every once in a while rather than just the end of the game when his legs are tired and he is running out of options.

" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "

by Bushka on Apr 19, 2009 5:14 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Great post, Bushka. All very valid points.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney

by bellasa on Apr 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post as always, Bushka. You need to write some FanPosts.

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by LatinD on Apr 19, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else get this feeling?

I found myself far less upset about this loss than in previous years, perhaps its b/c of Manus injury and the already lowered expectations, but I wasnt that upset.

Having said that, they had this one. I dont know that we can win the title w/o Manu, but a first round exit would not be acceptable.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 19, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s clear the Spurs are better but I think many of us knew that. The question now is why the guys began to look confused on defense as the game wore on and why Tony became so focused on going at Bareja instead of playing team ball. When the guys moved the ball Dallas couldn’t stop them from getting wide open shots. Bad D aside, the Spurs left way too many points out there. We can trust Pop will address this.

Some of it was just the bounce of the ball going the Mavs’ way on the rim and not ours; That happens. The ref calls also went their way (not complaining about calls on S.A. just non-calls on Dirk and Damp) which was frustrating but also happens, just usually not at home. Small adjustments and better rebounding will win the series for the Spurs.

by SpurredOn on Apr 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder what the teams pysche is

Compared to ours, as Im sure Im not the only one around here somewhat resigned to fact that we aint winning it this year.

Im sure they have faith in one another, but this really is the perfect end to one of the more strange Spurs season I can remember.

Again, I still the Spurs minus Manu should beat the Mavs….so I hope they can at least give us that, then who knows what they might be capable of

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 19, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am concerned more that the Mavs’ confidence has been lit with this win more than I am worried about the Spurs’ from losing. As I said in an an earlier post, Dallas has confidence that is a mile wide but an inch deep. They now get to play pressure free in game two and will go home with belief that they’ll go up 3-1. It will take a San Antonio win in games 2 & 3 to check that. Very possible and I would say quite likely that happens, but you gotta do it first. No matter how the Spurs win game two, the return punch to the head won’t be felt until the series shifts to Dallas.

You are correct that winning a title must seem unrealistic to the vets who know the importance of Manu, but they are also the leaders who know to take it all one game and series at a time. Their pride pushes them to win this intrastate battle and take it as far as it can go. I can imagine that film study today was a quiet and focused affair.

by SpurredOn on Apr 19, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big respect...

…from a Mavs fan to Spurs fans for the reffing admission. It was definitely a poorly refereed game. Dirks fouls were chippy, Duncan was pushing and getting pushed down low for boards, and Tony Parker was fouled on his drive by Barea, Wright, and Kidd
without a whistle more times than I can remember.

If the Spurs lose this series, it will be from getting destroyed on the bench. You guys haven’t even seen the best of James Singleton.

I expect the Spurs to be using blue toilet paper in the second game, good luck.

I am here to mock your inadequacy.

by mbobich on Apr 19, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pop

Doesn’t it seem rather disingenuous that Pop preaches that only defense will get us deep into the playoffs, yet three of his starters (Fin, Matt and Mace) are essentially one dimensional (offensive) players?

by agutierrez on Apr 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at Houston. They have two excellent defenders (Artest & Battier) and everyone else is okay. Defense is about team concept and the Spurs showed throughout much of the 1st half such a commitment and intensity to the game plan. They were rotating with ferocity and making life tough on Dirk. Late 2nd quarter they (perhaps the newer guys) seemed to get frustrated that Dallas began making some shots. Gotta live with that. The Mavs are a jump shooting team meaning they will have hot and cold streaks that are unrelated to how good the defense is. What’s worse is most every miss became and OR and score. Better rebounding would take care of some of this.

That said, Bonner was horrible on D and invisible on offense. Some of his early fouls were tacky compared to what Damp got away with (or even Dirk who fouled TD a few times at the rim) so Pop may want to put his money where his mouth is: more minutes for Bowen on Dirk and Hill on anyone.

by SpurredOn on Apr 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

scola > “okay” defender

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by Manuwar on Apr 19, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering last night watching the Rox if letting Scola go was the Spurs’ Len Bias moment—we have the veteran championship team, young stud waiting in the wings to inject some additional awesomeness, then ::poof :: he’s gone. I just can’t figure it out. It frustrates me to no end to know that we’re paying Bonner the money that it would have taken to get Scola.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

by tomasito on Apr 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scola is the best pick and roll big man defender in the league.

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by Manuwar on Apr 19, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spurs defense was very bad last night. There were no energy as the guys were always late covering their man specially in fighting off screens. Parker was again abused by Barrea because of his inability to play smart defense. I think Pop has a a great game plan but it was the guys that didn’t deliver. Terry hitting transition 3’s, Howard getting freed up by screens after a good ball movement as the defense got lost, Barrea driving to the basket with ease and making plays, it seemed to me that the spurs weren’t committed to defense the way Pop used to preach them. I hope they’d be better in game 2 if they’re really serious on moving on or they could just rest Duncan for next season.

by 21td on Apr 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Finley was absolutely atrocious on defense last night, I can’t believe no one has really said that yet. If we are to win this series, Bonner needs to stay off the court (holy christ he was awful last night) and Finley cannot be asked to defend Howard. Man that was a frustrating game.

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just looked at the +/- and Finley had a -20 despite being 7-10 and 5-5 from beyond the arc. He better actually try and get through a screen next game, because he did not show any effort fighting through screens to get to Howard

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his +/- is misleading. If you watched the game Finley played very well on JoHo, drew an offensive foul on Dirk. Howard did most of his scoring on Mason and the reason Finleys +/- was so high is because his minutes coincided with Bareas who’s +/- was a +17. Not Finleys fault.

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by Manuwar on Apr 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

((Barae added to 'Mavs' poll, by request))

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by dfjmed on Apr 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great recap, LD

It’s funny, I turned to a friend after the game and told him, If Tony hadn’t broken Barea’s ankles on that one play, maybe Barea wouldn’t have been so motivated to prove himself.

All your insight is dead on… and where the hell was Bowen when we needed him? Huh, Pop?

I just read thru the game thread… CC cracks me up! I know he’s a serious mf, but he still cracks me up. I also love that everyone (almost) on this site knows what they’re talking about.

I always believe in my Spurs and Spurredon’s reminders just give me further hope.

GO SPURS GO!

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by bellasa on Apr 19, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I also love that everyone (almost) on this site knows what they’re talking about.

I rarely know what I’m talking about, it’s true.

But I am kind to animals. . . .

by Lauri on Apr 19, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, bell. I have to give CC something: he’s been saying the exact same thing since the very first game of the season. I think he’s been copy/pasting ever since.

So kudos for consistency.

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by LatinD on Apr 19, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent recap, LD, and (slightly off-topic) having just read through some of what the Deadspin regulars apparently thought was all right to post about the hapless guest editor yesterday, my gratitude toward everyone who comprises the PtR community is redoubled.

It’s not easy for a relatively large and diverse group of people to maintain civility and general good humor but still allow individual members to be incisive and expressive. PtR seems to be the exception that proves the rule.

by Lauri on Apr 19, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Lauri. Link to the Deadspin article you’re talking about?

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by LatinD on Apr 19, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s pretty much every comment made on the site on every post made on the site for April 18.

It was a train wreck of the kind that Deadspin occasionally actively courts — plenty of blame to go around. “Mistakes were made.” The editor regularly turns weekend duties over to a guest editor, and this time around he gave blogging duties to a sports-illiterate friend of his from Jezebel (another blog owned by Gawker) . Not the best choice for either of them. But the site’s habitués took the very special occasion of having a female editor to let loose with every bit of misogynistic hate that has built up in their shriveled little hearts since mommy stopped breastfeeding them. They also — oh, this is hiLARious — went en masse over to Jezebel to lightheartedly tease the readership there about being fat, ugly, lonely women in sweatpants who have no sense of humor and no lives and who will never be fucked because they, the flower of American youth and manhood, have decreed it so (this despite the fact that Jezebel is often more biting and witty than Deadspin can even dream of being). But it was okay, see, because she had it coming, right? I mean, if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, am I right? If someone writes in public, it’s okay to say anything you want about them . . . because you can! After a few lone voices of decency expressed doubt as to the fairness of calling their guest a meth addict, whore, bitch, retard, etc. etc., the popular defense seemed to be, “I’m not saying that because she’s a woman — I’m saying it because she doesn’t know anything about sports.” Really? I see. And it’s not your fault that every hateful thing you can think of to say to her is somehow related to her gender, is it. And what fun would it be to simply say, “Hey, you really suck at writing about sports. I’m out of here.”? Not much, apparently, because no one took that simple option.

I really hate Deadspin since Will Leitch left. I didn’t like it that much while he was there, truth be told, but the site did have some funny writers and commenters, and it wasn’t all about “top this insult” back then. I took the site out of my bookmarks on my work computer — I’m doing the same today for my home computer. It’s just too depressing to read anymore.

Sorry to rant. I’m just a humorless femi-nazi in sweatpants who has no one to love but my cat.

Also, still bummed about the Spurs loss. But still hopeful!

by Lauri on Apr 19, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s the problem with most web forums and blog, so I definitely know what you mean. As much as I agree on principle with Hipuks, internet discussion usually turns into “I know more insults than you” platitudes when the mods are permissive. I guess idiots from around the world have found their solution to avoiding being punched out when they act like that.

Not that cheerleaders equals misogyny, though. :)

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by LatinD on Apr 19, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lauri do you like Catcher in the Rye? You remind me a bit of Holden Caufield(sp?) and not just because of this post. By the way that is a huge compliment in my eyes. I absolutely love that book.

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by Manuwar on Apr 20, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you calling me a disaffected, alienated, self-absorbed emo kid?

:)

Kidding. And thank you. I very much like Catcher in the Rye, and most of Salinger’s short stories as well. Have you read Prep, by Curtis Sittenfeld? It reminded me a lot of an updated Salinger story. Give it a shot!

by Lauri on Apr 20, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have never even heard of it but definitely will give it a shot. I mostly stick to Steinbeck. I have a hard time finding new authors that I like. Thanks…unless I don’t like this Sittenfeld fellow. In that case thanks for nothing! ;)

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by Manuwar on Apr 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you guys help me “get” Cather in the Rye? I read it last year and am no longer a lonely disaffected teenager, so I got very little out of it. Any hints?

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by pollackj on Apr 22, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Catcher. dumbass.

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by pollackj on Apr 22, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willa Cather in the Rye would make an awesome parody. . . .

by Lauri on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be that you do get it but that you think it’s a rather shallow message. And you certainly wouldn’t be the first to have that opinion — when the book originally appeared, it garnered a negative review (in the form of a parody) from the New York Times. ’Tis largely a matter of personal taste. But because I love a good discussion about paper and ink . . .

What were you expecting to get out of it? I.e., what is it you suspect you don’t “get?”

Manuwar? Want to ’splain your huge love of that book?

by Lauri on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read the wiki article… It sounds incredibly boring.

Then again, I thought Ulyses was also mind-numbingly boring.

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by LatinD on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I finished the book i simply didn’t feel anything. Usually, when I finish a book, even with few redeeming characters (The Great Gatsby, for Example) I at least think that I’ve gotten some insight into why people behave in the ways that they do. Sometimes I feel a heaviness because of the desperation of the characters (American Psycho).

With Catcher in the Rye, I just kind of shrugged. It was almost as if there was some message or insight into the human condition that I wasn’t understanding. At least that’s what I chalked it up to. On the other hand, the insight that it provided could have simply been something that I was already aware of, and therefore didn’t feel compelled by when it was revealed.

I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili

by pollackj on Apr 23, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t aware that this convo was still going on or I would have responded sooner. It’s been years since I last read it and at that point in my life (about 19 years old) there were a lot of changes going on. Transition from adolescent to adult. My ideals were being challenged by harsh realities. I loved the idea of love, etc…
Holden more or less goes through these same things. He is lonely and affraid of growing up and has a big distaste for superficiality. My favorite chapter is about the ducks when he’s talking to the taxi cab driver. Holden is wondering where they go when the pond freezes over (where do we go after adolescents). The taxi cab driver keeps replying with “who knows. who cares” type answers which in my mind typified my view on life at the time- We’re all worker drones running in mad circles for what? It all seemed pointless.
When I read excerpts or think about the book now (7 years removed) it reminds me of how I used to be. Though more confused and angry I was still very innocent and hopeful. Ahh nostolgia…

...formerly known as speedostuffer

by Manuwar on Apr 24, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lovely explanation!

by Lauri on Apr 24, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good move to stop going to Deadspin – I did that some time ago.

by 4Him on Apr 20, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i’ve recently noticed like 2-4 weeks ago a drop in the quality of deadspin. Hardly go there anymore.

What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)

the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post

by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 21, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just read this. Good god, you are an articulate woman. Your post is the exact reaction I have to most sports blogs, which I why I find PtR so refreshing. Although we bag on each other continuously here, it’s based upon actual stupid actions, not gender (and love).

Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

by CapHill on Apr 20, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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