PtR Quick Cap: Spurs win division
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 15, 2009 10:15 PM CDT
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this is a microcosm of our season
--Bellasa
I couldn't agree more. The Spurs stared down the demon of defeat and snatched another amazing victory from its jaws.
We scrapped this one out. Tony carried the offensive load through the first 4 quarters. FinDog hit the big three to send us to OT. Tim threw dirt on their grave.
What a crazy, crazy victory and a emotional victory. We were looking at the 5 seed and a trip to Portland. Then the Mavs pulled it out. We pulled it out. We win the division.
Chris Paul and David West had big games for the Hornets but they wore down at the end. Paul did not attempt a shot in overtime.
Your 3 stars
3 - Tim Duncan with 20 points, 19 rebounds and 6 assists -- 6, 6, and 2 in overtime -- while playing just 33 minutes.
2 - Tony Parker -with 29 points, 6 assits, 4 rebounds and just 2 turnovers.
1 - Michael Finley with one ginormous ass shot. 17 points, 4 boards.
I don’t want to hear ANYONE saying shit about Finley through out the playoffs.
-- Speedostuffer
I concur.
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that makes 3 of us asking for a gag order on any anti-Ocean talk
done and done
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 15, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i didnt catch why we have called Findog “ocean”
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 15, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Ocean?
Hamer, I put up a pictorial explanation here.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 16, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mason and Finley
that was one cool play. NOH played too hard for me to think they didn’t want it badly.
and i can’t believe they didn’t foul. two points ain’t enough. maybe pop convinced byron that it was stupid to foul.
dave mcnulla
spurs fan
by dmcnulla on Apr 15, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that pop adressed a foul scenerio and told them “If someone starts to reach toward you just pull up” …I would hope at least.
by speedostuffer on Apr 16, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur. Notice that when Finley caught the inbound, he was facing the basket. If Posey had reached to foul he could’ve shot the ball and got three FTs.
by SpurredOn on Apr 16, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that the seeding is set for us, i have to say i’m not overly confident. i wouldn’t take the mavericks is any series… except against the spurs. they’re not good enough, but anytime these two teams get together, there’s so much emotion that anything can happen.
don’t discount rick carlisle. he’s a UT man, and the UT pedigree can’t be ignored, whether it’s basketball, football or blindingly gorgeous women.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
by kalone on Apr 15, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here here. southern women are the best
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 15, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UT man?
Carlisle played at the University of Maine before transferring to the University of Virginia. After his short NBA career he immediately became an NBA assistant.
by 4Him on Apr 15, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you look up his wiki page or something? maybe i should have been more clear. when carlisle was working for espn, he was in a segment that got sidetracked into talking about college football, and he said he liked the horns over oklahoma and as a possible national title contender.
but, thanks for doing your due diligence, i guess.
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
by kalone on Apr 16, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had never heard of Carlisle being associated with UT (esp. b/c I’m an ex-Longhorn myself), so I checked it out to confirm it. Thanks for the clarification.
by 4Him on Apr 16, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s cool. i’m very easy to please when it comes to horns and spurs love in the media. i even liked woody paige for a time because he took UT over southern cal in the 2005 rose bowl. now, i don’t even mind skip bayless because he’s always trumpeting the spurs.
and those are two of the worst commentators in the biz (although i sometimes feel skip gets too much criticism. i think it’s because of his delivery. if he’d only tone it down, people wouldn’t think he’s such a jackass.).
you ain't a beauty but hey you're all right.
by kalone on Apr 16, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure that’s Rick Carlisle on the Mavs bench? Thought it was Jim Carrey…
"He is Manu Ginobili." - Gregg Popovich
http://roleplaya.blogspot.com
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 15, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously similar…
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Apr 16, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen. The women have kept me here in Dallas this long.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 16, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful recap.
ATS, I like yours much more than ESPN’s.
David West scored 34 points for New Orleans, which blew its chance at the No. 6 seed. Duncan’s jewel in overtime came on a tough one-handed, baseline jumper — leaving West screaming in frustration.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 15, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaah, Timmy. I’m so happy right now.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 15, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
20 and 19 from TD. That’s why he is my favorite player. He just comes through. Solid as a rock.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 15, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If portland wins, shouldn’t the Spurs get the 2 seed?
MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.
NOT
2. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
Then they aren’t tied
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
NOT
4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
Spurs
5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including team that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Best point differential between offense and defense.
Note: If a multiple team tie is reduced to a two-team tie at any point using the above criteria, the two-team tie will be resolved in accordance with the existing two-team tie procedure.
dave mcnulla
spurs fan
by dmcnulla on Apr 15, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No idea (doubt it), but even if it were true, Portland has the tiebreaker against us, so they’d be second. Right?
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 15, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Portland is kicking the mess out of Denver too, btw!)
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 15, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
figured it out... i think
- means of the games the spurs, the blazers, and nuggets played against eachother, who has the best percentage. it isn’t the spurs, who lost to the nuggets and blazers. wouldn’t that make spurs the fourth seed?
dave mcnulla
spurs fan
by dmcnulla on Apr 15, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was supposed to be 2nd tiebreaker in the list, not 1.
stupid auto correction
dave mcnulla
spurs fan
by dmcnulla on Apr 15, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm… now that I think about it, the Mavs are complete and healthy. Do we really have a decent shot at them without Manu? Terry, Dirk and Howard almost always seem to go bonkers on us, and Manu was such a huge difference-maker (or goat, in game 7) in that epic 2006 series.
Mase and Gooden will definitely help this time, but we need more people to step up (like Ime I hope.. his dunk in tonight’s game was VICIOUS).
"He is Manu Ginobili." - Gregg Popovich
http://roleplaya.blogspot.com
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 15, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mavs had their main guys (Kidd, Dirk, Terry and Howard) in 2/4 reg season games vs Spurs. Howard missed one and Terry missed one (the one where both TD and Manu didn’t play). Manu was not healthy for 3/4 so Pop already knows which matchups to exploit and which to avoid without him.
I wouldn’t use 2006 as a guide. Spurs have Gooden & KT instead of Nazr, plus Hill (please play him) instead of an old and SLOW Van Exel. Mavs no loner have Harris, Diop or Stackhouse. So long as Dirk doesn’t receive the kids glove treatment from the refs as he did then (and ’07 as MVP) it should not be an issue.
by SpurredOn on Apr 16, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’re probably right. I completely forgot about Harris! He and Howard were the two guys that gave us matchup hell. Good thing he’s not with the Mavs now. And Diop! Man, if the playoffs Timmeh decides to show up and not be pushed around by Dampier, Dallas will be in for a long series.
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by silverandblack_davis on Apr 16, 2009 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got it.. A “long series” for Dallas should equal quick and successful series for the Spurs.
I’m thinking we’ll see a lot more Bowen as a matchup on Dirk and Howard.. and I too am glad that Harris plays in Jersey. Thank you Mark Cuban.
by SpurredOn on Apr 16, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT A WIN!!!! THIS IS THE BEST WAY ANY OF US COULD IMAGINE TO GO INTO THE PLAYOFFS.
i cannot stop smiling. maybe it was the hardcore martini i had tonight while i watched the game? if you are not satisfied with this win then eff you. this is the most satisfying win in a LONG time. i cannot wait to face the mavs. lets give them another sad almost there glory story for their franchise. i like being on our end of the court when we face them.. even when they beat us. i don’t like the big german (even tough i respect the hell outa how good he is) or the jet. the jet? i hate the airplane crap move he does when he makes a 3. if i were on the spurs and the jet did the gay plane move i would zoom up behind him and say, “i am a military fighter jet and you are in illegal airspace!!!” and then i would tackle his ass on the ground. the sad part is, he would probably get away with a crotch jab. ha. i am so toasty. goodnight. be happy spurs fans or i will find you and punch you in the jejunum.
yeah, the spurs are boss
by moognish on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think your martini inspired this funny post. it made me LOL
by speedostuffer on Apr 16, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jejunum
thats classic! dont loose the fist in 8ft worth of jejunum – ahhhhh hail the hardcore martini you might never notice.
by cojones2thewall on Apr 17, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on reaching the easy side of the bracket.
The BEdger previously known as BR7formvp.
by L-TrainFTW! on Apr 16, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys take care of your side, and we’ll see you in the WCF. =]
Please get better for real this time, Manu.
by Tim C. on Apr 16, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our side is brutal
I HATE JAMES POSEY MAKE YOUR DAMN FREE THROWS. I also hate the Kings and the refs.
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 16, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE ARVYDAS SABONIS. FANGIO WOULD KICK HIS BUTT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 16, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Fangio a mythical fire breathing creature sent from the future?
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 16, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That shoots bees from his mouth when he barks?
by Lauri on Apr 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is so utterly random and gorgeous that I had to post and say so
recced to valhalla
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 16, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, thanks, but I have to confess to stealing it from the Simpsons.
by Lauri on Apr 17, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s the 2nd time THIS WEEK that someone said something hilarious that I didn’t recognize; said how funny it was; and the person came clean that it was from the Simpsons
The other one? “He’s so dangerous that he’d kill you five times before you hit the ground.”
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a beautiful play. I may be giving Pop to much credit here but I think he didn’t want Mace getting an on ball screen because he can’t pass worth a crap when a big hedges it. Instead all action was Masons side with a nice off ball slip screen to free Finley and Mason had an easy pass to deliver. Now we get the chance to avenge our 2006 playoff loss to the hated ones.
by speedostuffer on Apr 16, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a beautiful play. If the NBA consisted of nothing but end of clock situations needing a 3, the Spurs would be by far the best team in the league.
David West should be ashamed of himself. I rewound the play a few times to figure out what happened, and he was literally just standing at the free throw line watching the action with Finley and Mason. It was like he figured that he was no more involved in the play than we were. Then Posey turns his head, Timmeh lays a screen on him, and West recognized that he had just been had a fraction of a second too late, like the cop in the Usual Suspects who is interrogating “Verbal.”
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 16, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomas — you’re too right. If West takes even one step out then a) it makes Mason’s pass to Finley much more difficult and/or b) it makes Finley’s shot almost a prayer, as he’s trying to shoot it OVER West flying at him, instead of just being able to complete his normal shot.
As beautiful as that play was (and I watched it about 10 times over and over) just loving how well designed it was — even the slightest heads up defensive play by West really puts the pressure on Mason to make just the right pass in order to get it to Finley. And his passing prowess this year hasn’t exactly been the stuff of legend.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 16, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I wonder about the stats that tell us that being successful in end game situations is more a matter of luck than skill. The primary evidence for this is that records in games decided by 3pts or less aren’t necessarily the same from year to year.
However, that being said. Some teams are disciplined enough to not often make mistakes in those situations (like the Spurs). You also have teams that always seem to make critical mistakes at critical times (like a team that rhymes with the “Funs”).
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Apr 16, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the more compelling evidence is that the record in those situations is not reliably predictive of future success during the same year. In other words, if a team started out 4-1 in their first five close games, you might say that they are a good clutch team. However, there is no statistical correlation (according to the articles I’ve read) to their success in close games later in the season. Even with our Spurs, we saw them win some close games early, lose some close games in the middle of the season, and they just now won two more.
It’s hard to believe that a poised, veteran team like the Spurs wouldn’t be better in tight games than an undisciplined team like, say the Nuggets, or a young team like the Blazers, but that’s what the numbers seem to say.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only explanation I can think of is that we are looking at the wrong games. What I mean is that if we take all games that are decided by three points or less, some of those games may have been tight games that are decided by a final shot, some may have been games with larger margins that got close at the end. Some games that go into overtime end up getting decided by 6 or 8 points, so they are not included in the tally.
Do you know if there has been research done on the results of games that come to last second shots? Another interesting thing to look at would be a teams success getting a last second bucket to tie or win vs. a teams ability to stop the other guys from getting a last second shot to tie or win.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Apr 16, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pollackj — you make an utterly FANTASTIC point
if you simply pull games based on statistics, without watching the games, then you’ll miss a TON of games that should have been included (like the game with a team down by three with 20 seconds to go, and their inbounds play results in a missed 3, the team who is down fouls the rebounder, and they wind up losing by 5 — or 7, if they miss and foul again) and you’ll also include games that you should have ignored (like you said, a couple of crazy 3’s at the end of the game that bring the total down to 2 or 3 pts, but without the game really being that close, or the outcome truly in danger.)
It would take a lot of research, or some rigid statistical analysis to pull the CORRECT games, but I’d bet that it would show what we all think we know, which is that some teams and some players are better in these situations and win more games than statistics would predict that they should.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I would like to know how teams fair when it is a 3 point game or less with 1:00 on the clock.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 17, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With THAT analysis, you’d be evaluating a team on offense AND defense, since there’d definitely be time for multiple possessions with 60 seconds left. It’s not a bad thing to look at, but haven’t we mostly been talking about a team’s ability to make a 2 or a 3 to win or tie a game as time is expiring?
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was in reference to this
That’s why I wonder about the stats that tell us that being successful in end game situations is more a matter of luck than skill. The primary evidence for this is that records in games decided by 3pts or less aren’t necessarily the same from year to year.
Hollinger put out a stat saying outcomes were random.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 17, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The playoff seeding is interesting.
If all 4 of the top teams win, then SA plays Denver (SA can win even without Ginobili, heck thier scrubs sans the Big 3 and Finley took Denver to task in Denver) and ….
LA plays Portland. LA ,even with Bynum, hasn’t won in Portland in … 8 tries? — That’s like over 2 years. If any team other than the Spurs can knock LA out of the playoffs, it’s Portland. They fear NOTHING from LA. Zip.
A sensible LA fan has to be freaking out and cheering for the Rockets hard core right now.
THEN :
If the unthinkable happens — Portland steals one in LA, wins series — then SA hosts Portland in the WCF with home court advantage.
o.O
"This team is like a bunch of cockroaches. They just don't die!" -Charles Barkley, after Game 7 vs. the NOOCH.
The "I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You f***ed with the wrong Marine!" face. Because Popovich can be kinda scary.
by Nixiack on Apr 16, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LA fans do fear Portland. I’m going to be torn because on one hand I would like to see the rockets advance since I really like Scola and Battier but on the other hand Portland I think has a better shot at knocking off the Lakers. As far as our side of the bracket goes I completely agree. If we get past Dallas, Denver should not beat us.
by speedostuffer on Apr 16, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The seeding could not have set up better in light of the Spurs’ recent level of play and not having Manu. The two toughest matchups are in the other bracket so only one can make it to the WCF and if it’s Portland, Spurs have home court. Helluva basketball night. For round one, short travel vs a familiar foe.
by SpurredOn on Apr 16, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, I have been saying all season that Finley’s contributions this season seem to be more than anything he has given in the previous seasons. He’s been dependable, well to the extent a player at his age can possibly be depended upon, and the guy is just constant. You gotta appreciate that!
by LionZion on Apr 16, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is exactly the fuel we need for the playoffs
The Mavs will be tricky, but I think we can beat them.
To assure that, some Fuel:
“Gimmie fuel, gimmie fire, gimmie that which I desire! ooh!”
And yes Hetfield does say ooh! But it’s not like ohh……. It’s like ooh! Like angry grunt ooh! That drive you head through a wall ooh!
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
by KA1Z3R on Apr 16, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you gotta know I was just messing with you.
It’s just funny to read that James Hetfield sings “oooh” like some old 60’s pop song. Anyone who listens to that song knows that the Ooohh, is much more hard core. ;-)
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Apr 16, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That never crossed my mind. But now that you mention it, re-imagining the line above as a 60s pop song is pretty entertaining.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Apr 16, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just making sure
I knew you’d say something if i didn’t explain the alleged ooh! Can never be too careful unless you’re OCD.
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
by KA1Z3R on Apr 16, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a nice sunset...
I will say this, this win is really nice. After all the bad news we, as Spurs fans, have had over the last couple of weeks, this is really nice. Also the seed could not have worked out better for us. I don’t we’ll have cake walk against Dallas, but it’s better than Portland.
I would love to meet up with Portland in the WCF.
Did anybody else hear that Garnett might miss the playoffs? That’d be interesting.
by Big50 on Apr 16, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I heard this morning that Garnett might miss the entire playoffs.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 16, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not good for Boston
I’m not all broke up about it, but I bet they are in Bean-town
by Big50 on Apr 16, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Boston has been doing all right without Garnett.
by Lauri on Apr 16, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but as far as post season, he is their defensive glue. All this crap about how good Pierce is fine, but where was he for the last 8 years? They will win round 1, but they’ll be lucky to get past Orlando.
by Big50 on Apr 16, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel good this morning.
I’m pumped we won last night, and that we have home court against the Mavs. I shall be rooting for whomever LA plays against. I don’t care if it’s the Jazz, who we have a history against, the Rockets, or the Blazers. If Portland is playing against any team other than the Spurs, I enjoy the hell out of watching that team. They’re energetic, full of youth, up and coming – and dare I say or make the comparison – kind of like the Nooch, but more talented and about a hundred percent classier.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Apr 16, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AWWW Yeah!
Just bought my tickets to game 3 next Thursday night.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 16, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool! We’ll look for the guy holding up the “Trade Manu” sign.
::running away::
by Lauri on Apr 16, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Now that was a good one. You make me laugh.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 16, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances that they guy with one of the most memorable sigs around (which also is among the most Manurific as well) would suddenly be known as the “Trade Manu” guy?
The world really is upside down.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 16, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRW, You’re absolutely right. Now that I think on it… Cmoney should just turn over the sig to me. I’m much more loyal where Manu is concerned.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Apr 16, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think that I don’t see what you’re trying to do here.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t you the “Trade Tony” guy?
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Apr 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zinggggggggggggggggg
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 16, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF I am the “Trade Tony” guy at least my sig isn’t about how awesome Tony is.
(BTW, feel free to re-read my posts on the subject for clarification of the difference beweeen calling for a trade and considering a trade.)
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
I’m just considering trading a great player on the decline for youth and future talent in an effort to continue the dynasty and help Tim though his remaining years. You were advocating that we consider trading arguably the 3rd best point guard in the league who’s game is on the rise for a “good big” and letting Mason run the point.
Don’t get me wrong. I love Manu and what he’s done for this team. He is a class act and will have a special place in my heart always. I just subscribe to the theory in which Pop, Phil Jackson and Bill Belichick also subscribe to. “You fall in love with performance, not players”
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but you know what? Even Pop doesn’t really believe that. Otherwise, he wouldn’t “joke” about retiring 10 minutes after Timmy does.
by Lauri on Apr 17, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Duncan is the exception to that philosophy.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, on most other NBA teams, Manu would easily be the exception to that philosophy as well.
Hopefully Tim doesn’t ever get old. Or our team’s name. Or the city/location. Loyalty still holds some relevance to me.
:: cough Clay Bennett cough ::
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 17, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fall in love with people.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you do D. And that’s why WE love you.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so what if they happen to be wearing tight two-pieces, and dunking basketballs! To each his own, to each his own.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 17, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It IS good to have you back.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s always easy to judge yourself by what you mean, and judge someone else by what you think they mean.
When I started all of the “Trade Tony” talk — it was with the attitude of “Would it actually make sense to deal him if Hill could take over, and who could we expect to get” while I was stirring the pot with my toungue in my cheek. I finally came down on the side of keeping Tony, but if you didn’t read through the comments on those posts, it might not have been clear. Besides it became somewhat of a running joke; people would bust on me after he’d have a good game, and people would say something about me “being right” after he’d make a bad pass or miss four FT’s in a row.
Of course throughout the season, he played so amazingly well, and carried the team through injuries, that the point became mute. By that time, I was the “Trade Tony” guy, for good or ill. No changing it.
My point is that I never felt like I was seriously CALLING FOR a trade. But that was the way your post struck me. It seemed like you were advocating that we get as much for him as we could as soon as possible. Besides disagreeing with you,
I don’t have a problem with it, you can post what you want after you’re done hanging out of your helicopters.
Finally, it surprised me a) because of your sig (still about the coolest ever) and b) because it seemed so premature, AND c) because you said “It’s time to trade Manu” which doesn’t sound to me like
considering trading a great player on the declinewhose
best days are four years behind himand so it was easy for me to forget you also said
The option of trading Manu has to be on the table. You can hate me for saying it, but it’s time.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok?
I’m not seeing what you’re getting at. I DO think the Spurs need to shop Manu around this off season and see what his market value is in a trade. I’m not backing down from that statement. If there is a situation out there that would benefit the Spurs and make sense, then a trade should be made. That’s my entire argument. If the Spurs are not able to get young talent, then we need to just resign him and let him retire a Spur.
Does this make sense?
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes — you’re making sense even if I’m not.
So, to distill the distillation of the summary of the synopsis of my apparently unclear post:
If you’re wanting the Spurs to shop Manu, then “Time to Trade Manu” might not have been the clearest title for your fanpost.
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You both have branded yourselves so effectively that PtR has lost some global credibility as the “SPURS Homer Site of all Homer Sites.”
(FYI- I’ve started shopping CMoney to ‘Rufus on Fire’ and ‘Clips Nation’ in the hopes of acquiring younger, fresher blogging talent. I’ll let you know how it goes and what we stand to get back.)
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 17, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good to have you back.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before going into trade discussions it is best to have a good framework for what you have and what you want in return.
In CMoney, we have….
- exciting stories like hangs from helipcopters
- does interesting work and provides interesting visual content to the site
- disses us for the Florida Gators
- disses us for long stretches no reason whatsoever
- no loyalty to the soul of the team, Tim is the heart
- lives in Dallas
- only likes classy women (pro or con, not sure)
- rides his high horse into the ground, see comments about being influenced by others
- provides dating advice (pro or con, not sure)
- good sig
Would like to get in return
- consistency
- commitment
What am I missing?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 17, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I’m a piece of work. Well done sir!
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct my friend. “Time to Trade Manu” was more of a shock value headline. I’m just as bad as ESPN. I’m a hack.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the first step is admitting you have a problem
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh!
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 16, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmoney, my brother got a ticket for me as well, but i dont know yet if its for game 3 or 4. gotta meet up and get a beer or something of that nature
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 16, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good man. Let me know which one.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 16, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I’ve got to root for the Nuggets, so that I might have the possibility of seeing a postseason Spurs game.
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson
by CapHill on Apr 16, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m disappointed the Suns didn’t make it…. kind of. On the other hand, it gives me great[perverse?] pleasure to watch their fans mope worse than they did every time we knocked them out.
Please get better for real this time, Manu.
by Tim C. on Apr 16, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you checked out BSOS lately?
Take about depressing.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
by DennardC on Apr 16, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny. Silver Screen and Roll is only, like, two weeks old, and it already has more widgets than PTR. :)
It’s completely off-topic, too.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 16, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Widgets midgets. Talk to me when they start putting pictures of fish.
My tapeworm tells me what to do.
by Hipuks on Apr 16, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are so right, H. They don’t know the capacity of your awesomeness.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Apr 16, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and PtR is so awesome that Stampler’s Garnett article got linked in BDL’s entry on the Garnett shutdown. Oh, and don’t worry LD. Someday we’ll get there. Damn Kobe blogger army… they’re all over the place.
http://roleplaya.blogspot.com
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 16, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things on that….
They really should have given him credit as well as linking. Secondly, I’m convinced if Stampler posted his articles (recaps) the night of the game, he’d get a ton more press on the national sites.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney
by bellasa on Apr 16, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, LD and ATS, are you guys making a playoff preview post? Or do we go game-by-game previews, as usual?
http://roleplaya.blogspot.com
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 16, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, look who’s all impatient. You’ll have to wait and find out.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 16, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m ready for recap duty…“put me in, put me in coach!!”
...formerly known as speedostuffer
by Manuwar on Apr 17, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATS is working his magic.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 16, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I can’t help it that I’m so pumped up and looking all over the net for a playoff preview… and found nothing. Plus, damn ESPN writers are split over the Spurs and Mavs. I do like (and trust) David Thorpe though, he’s a bit of a Spurs homer.
http://roleplaya.blogspot.com
by silverandblack_davis on Apr 17, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’sa cookin’a something up!
[/family guy pope]
Please get better for real this time, Manu.
by Tim C. on Apr 17, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my apologies for being out on the tiles for most of the last several regular season games. its been quite a couple of month for me and mine. this was all topped off by laptop failure last week, which ended my game thread posting for the regular season.
that said, i’m gonna have to watch game one out in public and wont be around for the live thread on that one either :-( actually, i might just be out on the tiles for the first 3-4 games of this coming series as far as the game threads go………
now, onto the FFFFFIIIIINNNNDDDDOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGG!!! was that some shit or what? what a series of events. i’m sure we were all going into conniptions when it went down. i gotta beleive that the play was called for roger, but fin was the #2 option.
that got me to thinking. what other team in the NBA would entrust a such a shot to a guy like fin? or even a guy like roger mason? that really speaks to the spurs depth and their way of doing business. good or bad. think about that for a minute. what other team? and who would it be on that team?
according to me, the proper strategy for this series and all the playoff games really is as follows: give the damn ball to frenchy and get the hell outta the way. tim will do his thing no matter what, but it has really been tony’s year. his is also the best match-up we have in the series vs. kidd and dallas – not that the other match-ups favor them or anything……..
there are obviously a lot of other nuances to this, but i’m saying that we need to ride tony as far as he will take us. i feel much better about our chances vs. dallas than i would have as a 4th or 5th seed against portland.
by bones on Apr 17, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i have similarly been unavailable as of late. Crazyness and computer trouble have contributed to my absence.
I agree 100% with bones’ suggestion of letting Tony do his thing all series long. I cannot think of another playoff team that has a pg who defends tony worse than Kidd. I really think that TP will eat him alive.
I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili
by pollackj on Apr 17, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Steve Nash? He can’t guard Tony….
Oh wait, never mind.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 17, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Tony plays better when it’s clear that he’s the first, second, and third option on offense. He’s the reason I think the Spurs may still have a chance. Hear me out:
1. Last year, the Spurs pushed the Lakers, and could have won games 1, 4, and 5. I know, woulda coulda, but probabilistically, those games were all probably 50-50 tossups, and the Lakers took all of them.
2. Even if you say the odds were 60-40 in the Lakers’ favor, there still was a chance (in this case, a 40%^3 chance, which works out to 6%) that the Spurs could have taken all three, and with it, the series. Just like the fact that there’s some chance that you flip a coin and it comes out heads five times in a row.
3. We had a gimpy Manu last year, Tony wasn’t as awesome as he is now, and our supporting cast is better: Roger Mason is an upgrade over Barry, Drew Gooden instead of RoHo, Bonner is sometimes useful… on the downside, Timmeh is hurting, and we don’t have Manu at all. Add all those things together, and I would say the Spurs are slightly worse than last year. The Lakers are probably a bit better than they were last year. Therefore, if the Spurs had, say, a 30% chance last year, they would have a reduced chance this year. But in no way do I think our chance of beating them is 0.
4. So, let’s say our Spurs would have something like a 5% chance of beating LA in a series. Not great odds, but if you had a 1-in-20 chance of winning the lottery, would you watch the drawing?
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 17, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum coming back and playing well is not a good sign for us either.
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 17, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d watch the drawing, tomas. I’d probably even hit the Lottery blog and comment as every number turned up!
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 17, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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