Revisiting Finley’s Late 3 – A History of Referee Ineptitude
So an interesting debate sprung up on message boards across the country as news of Finley’s non buzzer beating three against Sacramento came out. Undoubtedly a Spurs fan would write on a wall post "Bout time we finally get a call after years of blown calls that have cost us championships" or something to that extent. This was immediately followed by a post (probably from a Suns fan) that the refs had been blowing calls in the Spurs favor for years and only an arrogant Spurs fan could possibly believe that they had not been the beneficiary of hundreds of bad calls. This got me thinking about whether or not every team has this constant debate. It is not hard to come up with a list of calls that have gone against San Antonio throughout history.
· The .4 second shot made by Fisher.
· Duncan being ejected from a game while sitting on the sideline because Robert Horry made a funny joke at an inconvenient time.
· Brent Barry last year getting fouled in the waning seconds of game 4 against the Lakers because he didn’t "sell the foul".
· The failure of the refs to eject the entire Seattle and Denver frontcourt for repeated attempts to murder Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Playoffs.
· Any call that has ever been called against Tim Duncan, since he has clearly never committed a foul in his 12 year career (why else would he argue and get all bug-eyed?)
As previously mentioned Suns fans feel there might have been a foul or two that have actually gone in our favor over the years. Take for example exhibit A
EXHIBIT A
Horry's feet don’t look like they are moving…I think it was clean.
A list of calls in the Spurs favor is less easy to individually identify but most other teams would say that Bruce Bowen should just start with 3 or 4 fouls every time he enters a game to make everything equal. Similar allegations would fly about Manu’s flopping, Tim getting favorable calls because he’s a super star, or even Tim Donaghy reffing game whatever in whichever playoffs cause he’s a crook.
To me the obvious response to this “the games are fixed” or “David Stern wants the Spurs to win” approach is that is doesn’t make sense. Tim Donaghy aside, for the league to make money it has been rather clearly established that it needs big market teams with outspoken superstars to make it to the finals. Kobe and Garnett last year was a much better ratings draw than Duncan and Billups in 2005. Why would the league want a team of defense-oriented, quiet, low-scoring, well-balanced players from a small market that go out of their way to eschew the spotlight led by a sarcastic pockmarked little man that loves nothing more than to mess with the league’s establishment and bench his best players on a whim. Seems to me that they wouldn’t create special rules and surreptitiously inform refs to help us win games so that they can have yet another record low ratings bonanza in the finals of the NBA playoffs.
Then this occurred to me. Maybe this is the deal for all teams. You remember vividly the calls that went against you because they were so important and left you with that gut-wrenching feeling of doom and injustice while the calls that go your way are just all parts of the FSM’s good plan for your team or destiny or whatever high-carbohydrate deity it is that you turn to for guidance.
So I’m not sure exactly what my conclusion is. I guess it could one of three things. First, I am not real sorry for the Sacramento Kings. It happens to everybody and you were probably going to lose anyways. Plus, when you get Blake Griffin in the first round of the draft next year you might be thanking us. Second I think I can conclude that maybe we should all realize that refs are people too and mistakes happen and bad calls go both ways and we should all quit our bitchin’ and play some ball. But clearly my final conclusion is that the previous conclusion was crap and the Spurs have had way too many calls go against them and we are clearly owed a few by the league. Oh, and Joey Crawford is the devil.
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Excellent post.
I love the discussion about ratings, and the NBA Finals. Especially how when the Spurs make it to the Finals and they are the lowest rated. I think it’s hilarious. And then how Stern clearly is pro-Lakers/Celtics or Kobe/Lebron (they must be drooling).
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by dfjmed on Apr 14, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I agree. As a Spurs fan who has many many friends who are fans of other teams or just hate the Spurs, it’s clear to most of us that we’ve been hosed many more times than we’ve benefited. Not a doubt. All teams have fouls or times they’ve been screwed, and I do feel bad for Sac-town, they are similar to the Spurs in this sense.
by Big50 on Apr 14, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really feel badly for Sacramento in this instance. They will get more ping pong balls and that will ultimately help them in the future.
However, I do agree that Sacramento has been on the unfortunate end of alot of bad calls. Does anyone remember the 2002 WCFinals when they totally got hosed?
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by bellasa on Apr 14, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was what I was thinking about.
by Big50 on Apr 14, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the game where the Lakers shot 27 freethrows in the 4th qt alone? 2002 WCF is the most blatant attempt, that I can remember at the league trying to fix a game. oh wait, i forgot about the 2006 finals where D “do you wanna be in my fav 5” Wade. Dwyane Wade shattered the free throw record in a 6 game NBA Finals with 97 attempts and 75 makes. He averaged over 16 free throw attempts a game.
The Fix is in ladies and gentlemen. I’ve read Stern’s script and it has a Lakers/Cavs Rivalry. Cavs pull it out.
by efantich on Apr 18, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post! I do love the “Stern WANTS the Spurs in the Finals” conspiracy theories.
But the biggest question is the league’s failure to use 20th century technology in the 21st century. Replay has been used for years in the NFL with mostly good results, with associated yearly rule changes to tweak the process. How difficult is it to take 30 seconds to see if a shot leaves a player’s hand before the shot clock expires? I don’t think this would take away from the flow of the game at all. MLB is behind on this too. They should mount cameras on the outfield walls strictly for foul ball/home run calls (think goal cams in hockey). The refs/umps wouldn’t even have to review things from the field. They could mimic the NHL method or NFL method with the review booth.
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by CapHill on Apr 14, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think being able to review ANY play at any point in the game could disrupt the flow of the game. In football the rules of the game dictate natural stopping points since there are like 40 seconds or so between plays anyway. In basketball, it’s a constant back and forth. In the instance of Findog’s shot the other night, the temporary stall of the game wouldn’t have done much for the flow of the game since the game was almost over anyway. But to review a shot from a violation at say 6:30 left to play in the 1st quarter while a team is on a 8-0 run let’s say would disrupt that team’s flow and therefore their advantage. If you don’t think 30 seconds to a minute would disrupt a team’s offense go ask Pop why he liberally used Hack-a-Shaq against Phoenix last year. Replay would be nice but I still think it needs to be limited to only certain situations.
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by Windex40 on Apr 14, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not advocating for the entire length of the game, just for the last 2 minutes of a half, similar to football where every play is constantly reviewed by the booth. Another reason why a booth review for basketball is preferable to on-court referees. It can be done much quicker without significant time required, especially at the end of games where multiple stoppages occur. There is no ideal format, but anything is better than what they have now.
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by CapHill on Apr 14, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the photo above reminds me of two things.
1. Nash was totally looking to sell the foul. I especially like the “let me brace myself” moment before he falls.
2. What Robert Horry told Tony Parker after he collided with Steve Nash’s nose in May 2007. “Get up… it’s not even your blood”.
I miss Robert Horry… he was definitely old school.
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by bellasa on Apr 14, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn didnt know horry said that. Horry was definately the man, but only in SA and Houston. I refuse to acknowledge his laker years
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by Hamer_SpursFan on Apr 14, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. Recced in .4 seconds.
…I went there again. Sorry, folks! :)
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by LatinD on Apr 14, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still remember singing and clapping along to “We will Rock You” after Tim hit his shot.
Just let it go, LD.
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by bellasa on Apr 14, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, bellasa, do you realize you participated in the greatest mojo killer moment of all time? The only thing worse would have been singing to “We Are The Champions” before the game is over.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 21, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta be honest; I think that “We got this one” and “We’re definitely winning this game” said in the playoffs, versus Kobe, is easily far-and-away a bigger mojo killer.
Plus, bella’s earned safety and insulation from bad mojo by being around for years and not being a dumbass. Barring her saying something like, “There’s no chance the SPURS lose this series to the mavs, we’re going all the way” during Game 3, I think we’re okay.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 21, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, we are talking about a game in ’04. LONG before HIM.
Second, IT WAS KOBE AND THE LAKERS. Um, so no credit there.
Bellasa has certainly earned safety and insulation from bad mojo SINCE said transgression, but as a crowd, you have to admit that is bad mojo. Notice also that I didn’t put in all on her.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 21, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt, but I view said discretion as simply emotionally reacting to an emotionally charged moment, not as “mojo-killing.” Reacting to a fantastic sequence doesn’t affect the mojo for the next, unless certain mojo-killing phrases are uttered in said moment. And I was only contrasting her situation with the above mentioned (it cannot be spoken of twice in one thread) transgression.
Point of fact- I distinctly remember people calling me to congratulate me after “the shot,” and me shouting them down and getting very angry. Even in ‘04 I understood the mojo and didn’t take any chances. I still never viewed .04 as a mojo-based event, but rather a one-in-a-million shot that was influenced by factors outside of the juju’s control.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 21, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are kind wierd.
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by pollackj on Apr 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*kind of
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by pollackj on Apr 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand they’re right in the middle of choosing china patterns, so things are a little tense right now.
Seth, ATS… don’t forget your Vermont wedding license is only good for 60 days.
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by bellasa on Apr 21, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATS and I are done. He lost me when he purchased that Hill jersey.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 22, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that… although word on the street is a certain hussy named Cm… No, No I won’t bring that up. I’m sure it’s much too painful as it is.
Think of the bright side… at least you can re-gift the fondue set you received.
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by bellasa on Apr 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want my sig back.
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by CMoney on Apr 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't have it.
As you should clearly remember pursuant to the License agreement signed by both parties.
Agreement made by CMoney (The “Lender”) and Bellasa (The “Borrower”) wherein both parties mutually agree to a 50 / 50 (Fifty – Fifty) share of the following signature line:
[Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.]
exclusively for use on the blog which does business as Pounding the Rock.
Lender further stipulates that Borrower shall hold first right of refusal should Lender wish to share signature with future unnamed parties.
At no time shall Lender refuse Borrower use of signature without prior consent and written approval of Borrower.
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by bellasa on Apr 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You pulled a fast one on me Bella. I don’t even remember signing such an agreement. I feel bamboozled.
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by CMoney on Apr 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ve been bellaboozled
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 23, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mojo is practically a religion around here.
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by CMoney on Apr 21, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, you understood the mojo then and respected it, but had you known of the supposed transgression at the time, whether emotionally charged or not, you would almost certainly have associated it .4 as a mojo-based event. I’m just saying, maybe the effect of mojo on the event should be revisited.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight, I wouldn’t have answered anyone’s calls after Timmy’s shot instead of just not answering any calls following the next shot.
That, and it would have only enforced my still active habit of avoiding everything in 4’s. 4 cookies? Hell no, I’ll take 5 please. Buying a home with a 4 in the number? No thank you, I’ll sleep under the bridge.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 21, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys empower the event by making it such a big deal. The Lakers went on to lose, we won the following year. All’s right with the world.
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by LatinD on Apr 21, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of mystical jibber-jabber is that?
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 21, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ignoring it or downplaying it doesn’t erase the pain, LD. It’s still there, and it happened. It was gut-wrenching and will always be gut-wrenching.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time one of my Laker friends brings up .4 my response is “yeah that sucked…how’d that season end up for you guys anyway?” They quickly shut up.
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by Manuwar on Apr 24, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do the same thing to my Mavs friends when they talk about beating us in game 7. Then I quickly follow that up with "But hey you guys bounced back like champions in ’07 with that amazing 67 win season and Dirk winning the MVP . . . "
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by CMoney on Apr 24, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not even blogging during the playoffs and you still can’t let it go can you?
I totally agree and thanks for not including me in the Dumas family.
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by bellasa on Apr 21, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he’s absent doesn’t mean he’s insulated from wrath and scorn. No matter what anyone says, it wasn’t Manu’s ankle or Kobe’s will that killed us last year. It was Daddy Dumas.
Time has made you weak. Remember and respect the mojo.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 22, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember and I absolutely respect the mojo. I am vigilant and walk shoulder to shoulder with my brother in arms.
However, it’s been over a year… when exactly will you commune his sentence?
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by bellasa on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only conditions for a sentence bestowed as a result of grave mojo violation to be pardoned/communed are as follows. Offending party can perform one, or for maximum effect multiple:
A. Upon retirement of Mr. Tim Duncan, PF; appear the following summer at SPURS training camp to reveal skills rivaling that of Mr. Duncan. Subsequent steps also requiring completion- being acquired/signed by the SPURS and thereafter maintaining a average of 26/12 over a minimum career span of 8 years.
B. Publicly apologize; following this, after a mandated entire family exoneration of at least a 90% majority, reinstitution will be considered.
C. Deliberately score a .4 on your GMAT, however possible, to appease the FSM.
D. Posthumously.
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 23, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, D appears to be best case scenario for him.
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by bellasa on Apr 24, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I do...
You’re talking about Me and 19 thousand Ex-Friends. I took care of the problem the next season. I had a long discussion with my good pal Peter and they were not invited back. Problem solved.
That’s right, I’m the reason for the ’05 Championship. Feel free to worship at my temple.
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by bellasa on Apr 21, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t know you had a temple
directions to said temple, pleas
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 22, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure this conversation is appropriate for PtR.
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by CMoney on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually, I’d agree with you. But in this case
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 22, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…all I can think about is that you’re the guy who suggested we trade Manu. And then I lose all listening ability for your words and slowly move…
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
… towards the windowsill, where I find the only thing that gives me solace, the one item that I know will help me forget the pain caused by your traitorous words …
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 23, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
is my Tony Parker jersey. I hold it close; oh so tight. And I remember that there once was a day when I too spoke words of trading one of the big 3. Our wee little frenchman. I too have
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
dreams, remorse, regret, and . . . dare I say it — Oh, I dare, I dare! — hope. Hope that our wee fransch man and our beloved Fangio-figure will share the court — and my heart — once more. And then I wonder . . . is it raining where Manu is? Is he thinking of me? I bury my face in my Parker jersey and wonder if it is a crime to
by Lauri on Apr 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
love three men so unconditionally and without reserve? Will I ever feel this deeply again? When, oh when will those three glorious Gods dance together on that polished hardwood? I turn from the light, slowly place my jersey over my head and
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by bellasa on Apr 23, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
… dance a dance of apology. My very movements a request for forgiveness for thinking the unthinkable; for proposing the unproposable. Each step a vow to never again desecrate the idea — the ideal of the Big Three … Grand Trois … Grande Tres. Exhausted, I drop to the floor and
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
suddenly wake up from my catatonic wispy state to recall that an even more dastardly proposal was one made months later calling for the “shopping of one Manu David Ginobili.” That is a abomination unforgivable in the sight of PtR, and there must be at least some attempt at remorse, shown through the penitant acts of
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by SgtinManusArmy on Apr 23, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this mother of all mother of fucking blowouts we endured tonight.
Let it be known that CMoney brought this on himself.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 23, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, holy effing shite. My throat is hurting from laughing so hard. I needed that after the beatdown we endured. Thanks to you all.
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by pollackj on Apr 24, 2009 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant. And yes, he did.
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by LatinD on Apr 24, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 24, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s the way to show your true colors, CMoney!
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a bar in Austin that has this picture as their ad in the local paper. I think it is Fado.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea Fado was a chain of Irish Pubs. They’re all over the nation.
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by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 24, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true. Too bad he brought it on the rest of us as well.
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by Tim C. on Apr 24, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, you’re so sweet. Feel free to drop by any time.
My temple is located on the corner of
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by bellasa on Apr 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
commerce and new braunfels. Watch out for
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy in the zoot suit and the purple furry top hat. That’s Leroy the Pimp. If he tries to talk to you, DON’T RUN! Just say
Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed.
by CMoney on Apr 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re waiting for the bus. Then give the doorman the
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by bellasa on Apr 22, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
secret hand signal. At that point, he will attempt to distract Leroy by dancing about, slapping his own rear end, and shouting, “You can’t have-a de Mango!” That’s when you
by Lauri on Apr 22, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slip in the front door while Leroy’s distracted? Got it!
I’ll be there around 2am!
You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 22, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you bring that up again...
… I will fly down to Argentina and personally punch you in the face. I remember when that happened, I literally wanted to claw my eyes out—it was like the image had been seared into my retinas. Some things, once seen, cannot be unseen.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 14, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant *Brazil
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 14, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember too
I threw my plastic gatorade bottle at the wall and it actually smashed the top of and made a huge mess. I decided I’d clean it in the morning.
by efantich on Apr 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys need to learn to create comedy out of your biggest tragedies. I’m preparing a whole set of “gimpy Manu” jokes for the playoffs.
“Manu certainly caught a break!”
“Break a leg, guys!”
Etc. etc. You people will love it.
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by LatinD on Apr 14, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, one thing that bothers me is I’ve still not seen whether his shot actually took less than 0.4 seconds. We know that his shot beat the buzzer, but we also know that the clock started a little late. It wouldn’t be difficult at all to figure out—just check which frame the ball touched his hands, then which frame it was released. Take that total and divide by the frame rate of the video format, and there you would have a definitive answer as to whether it should have counted.
That said, I’m OK with the shot counting (even were it proved by the method described above that it took longer). I’ve always thought with clock-related issues that it is absurd to try to time things to that level of precision at the end of the game if you are not applying a similar level of scrutiny to the rest of the quarter. They don’t micro-analyze the time when the ball goes out of bounds with 8 minutes left in the quarter. Maybe there should have been 0.8 or 1.5 seconds, or maybe the clock should have expired after Timmy’s jumpah.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to find an old Buck Harvey article that explained why the shot was not made in .4, but I can’t locate.
Anyway, gist of the article was this… although the NBA offically decreed that a shot is possible, Buck says there’s no way a team is able to catch and shoot with that amount of time on the clock. (And this was before ATS’s recent exhaustive shot clock conversation).
Apparently in the time it takes to press the shot clock start button (ref’s and score keeper), .4 has already elapsed. I think he also mentioned that .4 is less time than it takes to press the letter “p” on your keyboard.
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by bellasa on Apr 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that game, and I clearly remember Tim’s shot was made with about .2 left.
by Linix129 on Apr 14, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen any of this kind of humor that was promised.
And that’s really all that Game 3, was missing tonight — more reminders of Manu’s absence.
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Free George Hill! (member #4)
by jollyrogerwilco on Apr 23, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the dubious calls in games 3 & 4 in Dallas during the Spurs-Mavs series of 2006 – they influenced the outcome long before Manu’s late game 7 foul. However, it was a fantastic series – one of the greatest ever. Too bad it wasn’t the Finals…
by 4Him on Apr 14, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
.4 woes
I was in college in Los Angeles in a room surrounded by Lakers fans. They were ecstatic and convinced the game was over. Tim hit his shot with Shaq in his face. The room fell stunningly quiet. I taunted all of them. Changed from a Manu jersey into a Tim jersey. Then Fisher scored and it became the loudest room ever. It was one of the more depressing nights I’d ever experienced. At least they lost in the finals.
by 2757 on Apr 14, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a collection of random thoughts on bad calls (because i can't form a coherent thread of thought to link them together)
getting angry at a bad call when it happens is natural. still being angry about it hours, days, months or years afterwards is unhealthy. .4 was a blown call, but to me theres no point in still being pissed off about it.
refs are human. they make mistakes. speaking as a former ref, its scarily easy to miss things with the speed and complexity of the game (and i was umpiring a local league, mostly kids games at that).
i’ve always said when it comes to bad calls “never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetance”.
in the long run, bad calls roughly equal out.
i often see people say “the refs in the nba are useless”. i never see these same people point to a league/competition where the refs are praised (cos such a magical league doesn’t exist).
free george hill!
by sleep research facility on Apr 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on 0.4...
I remember my thoughts after the game. I know this is sacrelige, but I’m going to say it: It’s Manu’s fault. The Spurs had a foul to give – all he had to do was wrap Fisher up before he could turn around…game over.
The Spurs also had other oppurtunities to win that series, so I’m not as bitter as I could be. Same goes for the Fisher “non-foul” last year – if the spurs hadn’t given up that gargantuan game 1 lead, then I might be more pissed, as we would have had a 3-1 lead by winning game 4. But when you can’t win on the opponents’ floor, you don’t deserve to make the Finals.
Please get better for real this time, Manu.
by Tim C. on Apr 14, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fisher made that in a split second. There was no way to wrap him up without giving him free throws unless you had extraordinary timing and knew what Fisher was gonna do beforehand. We dun say 0.4 is impossible for nothing…it is impossible and thats what we all thought until it happened.
Blaming Manu(or anyone) is not sacrilege, its just silly. Might as well blame the Dogo.
If anybody, its the lack of nba rules and not even the refs. If the refs are trained what to look for under those circumstances, they will get it right most of the time. No rule existed back then about 0.4 being only enough time to catch the ball and not shoot etc.
by LionZion on Apr 14, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foul in .4 seconds? Nah, that’s crazy. He would’ve caught him in the act of shooting (because what else can you do in .4 seconds?) and then he would’ve shot 2 freebies.
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Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Apr 14, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Chris Paul showed us a couple of weeks ago, intentionally fouling someone is dangerous; you never know what crazy decision the referees will make.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
by tomasito on Apr 14, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s silly to try and say that one franchise is “owed” a missed call or not. I think its a bad complex to have to think you’re owed something at any point in life, basketball being no exception. Bad calls happen through out the course of a game all the time in every teams favor. Lets not become suns fans and wine and complain or preen about being owed finelys three pointer. We’re above that.
by speedostuffer on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post.
AND CRAWFORD IS THE DEVIL
How else could he ref any Spurs games much less be back in the NBA.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. - Confucius
by raynorschiene on Apr 15, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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