Gregg Popovich pulls lineup out of hat, finds scrubs.
I ate Wendy's tonight. I don't particularly like Wendy's, it's simply the closest fast food joint. They put floral-print napkins in my bag. Did they simply run out of official, branded napkins? And if your car shimmies when it's idling, that's bad, right?
I think Gregg Popovich lives to tick me off.
Sunday night's game was over at halftime. The Spurs were on the road and down 27 points to a young, quality Portland team looking to avenge a recent loss. The Spurs were without Manu Ginobili and Tim was less than 100%. They had another game Monday night and a third game in four days at Dallas on Wednesday.
Here's where you throw in the towel Pop. Here's where you concede a game. Here's where you put in a young guy with promise that might actually be able to help you this year in the playoffs. What does Pop do? He leaves Mensah-Bonsu on the bench for all but the last 7 minutes of the game. This is mildly infuriating for three reasons.
Reason 1. The first reason is mere conjecture as to why Pop left Pops on the bench. Allow me to paraphrase a text message from my esteemed colleague Michael Erler:
Pop probably was displeased with the youngster's arrogance and comments to the media. All Spurs players, with the exception of Tony, must publicly think they suck at all times.
Here's what Mensah-Bonsu said after his first game as a Spur:
“(Finley) said to do what I do to make my money. ... be an energy guy all over the court, a rebounder and a finisher, and I was able to do that.
“I hope I raised a few eyebrows among the coaches, so that next game he feels comfortable to put me in when the game is still in hand.”
Well, Pops, apparently Popovich doesn't feel comfortable to put you in when the game is already decided. You should have spent your entire response talking about the one time you didn't hustle back on defense. You'll eventually learn that playing time for young Spurs is determined first on demeanor, second on which old and washed-up veteran is ahead of you, and fifteenth on how good you actually are.
Reason 2. It would be one thing if a guy like Channing Frye was taking Mensah-Bonsu's minutes. I'm not saying Frye's any good, but at least you could surmise or hope he could get better. But Pop is sending out the likes of Fabricio Oberto and Ime Udoka. We know exactly what these guys are capable of; there's nothing to learn from playing them, except for maybe how many consecutive wide open jumpers Ime can brick, or how close Fabricio can get to getting fined for flopping.
Speaking of Ime, can we just simply close the book on this guy? He's been absolutely dreadful this year, shooting 36% from the field and 31% from three (and he wasn't much better the year before, shooting 42 / 37%). His shooting numbers from both this year and last are especially awful when you consider he never has to create his own shot (not that he could if he had to). Plus, he never lived up to defensive reputation, getting absolutely abused by Kobe in the playoffs, racking up 8 fouls in 57 minutes. How bad was he? Take a look at his minutes played, starting with game 1 of the Lakers series: 25, 16, 8, 8, 0. Hmm. 2 + 2 = Ime sucked.
Reason 3. Pop loves, loves, LOVES to talk about how he doesn't really give a rat's ass about the regular season. He just wants to get the playoffs healthy, etc. If this is the case, then WHY NOT give Mensah-Bonsu and Hairston 20-25 minutes of run a night during their 10 game contracts? What benefit did the Spurs organization get from putting Kurt Thomas and Oberto on the floor for 14 and 17 minutes tonight? What benefit? Are they still learning the system? You keeping them in shape there, Pop? Trying to keep Oberto's grabbing techniques sharp?
And don't give me any of this shit about using Kurt and Oberto to try to win basketball games. Pop loves to flaunt his willingness to lose regular season games. No other coach in the NBA would sit healthy regulars in the middle of the season, and no other coach throws out the ridiculous Mason / Finley / Bowen / Udoka / Oberto lineups as much as Pop does.
Look, Pop could go into the playoffs with the Big Three and two potted plants and still be competitive. But you still have to look for improvement where improvement is possible. And right now the Spurs could improve on the likes of Finley, Udoka and Oberto. So you play the young guys with the Big 3, and you see what you got while you still have time to mess around. If Mensah-Bonsu and Hairston don't work out then you simply get your veterans back in the flow during the last 3/4 weeks of the season.
Or, if your Gregg Popovich, you orient your entire depth chart around trying to piss off a nobody Spurs-blogger. That just seems childish and silly, doesn't it?
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Besides, what fucking system does an energy rebounder-shot blocker off the bench needs to learn? Just play the guy dammit, tell him to do atlhetic stuff for 8-10 meaningful minutes (garbage time doesnt tell a shit about a player worth). If he sucks, then we are back with the veterans. If he doesnt suck… hey! You just found the next Trevor Ariza or Paul MIllsap.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Trevor Ariza, maybe, but Paul Millsap is far more than an “energy guy”. That’s how you label athletic underskilled young players, and Millsap is a legit 15/10 threat. Just sayin’.
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Yeah he had a great season this year. For a couple of games he was dropping like 24/14 on a daily basis. I also thought he was much more than an energy guy judging by his numbers. But after seeing a couple of Jazz games to me it was clear his offense is very very limited to being atlhetic. That’s the reason that the Jazz are still trying to put back Boozer on the lineup. He is a real scoring threat (still I like Millsap a lot more for his defense, but he is a great energy guy and nothing more).
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
probably because it did not automatically check his spelling
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by Honka Playboy on Mar 2, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
He's right, you know...
…are you getting paid? I sure am not. Ergo, none of us are proffffessionals.
fffffunnyy
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by raynorschiene on Mar 2, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mathew, i dont think theres anything more perplexing than Popovichs Bromance with Ime Udoke. Ime Unequivocably, objectively sucks. Plain and simple, even to a basketball idiot like myself.
As for Mensah…..we are running out of time to see what Mensah can do , because his contract runs out on March 7th.
Not that we will ever Effin see what he can do , because he only gets garbage time.
Why would we want some guy running amok rebounding and dunking and blocking shots , even if he CANT do ANYTHING ELSE? Its not like thats EXACTLY what NOBODY ELSE on the team DOES !!!!!!!!
ARGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
1. Sounds about right. I think someone mentioned this in the game thread.
2. Agreed. Please o please, drop Udoka if we sign a big. Not Pops, not Malik, Udoka. Whatever good will he’d garnered from me because of his African exploits is long gone, along with his 3-point stroke. He’s the new JV for me.
3. I more or less agree, but Oberto should play. He’s been out for a big part of the season, and no matter how veteran he is, he needs minutes to be on rhythm if he’s going to play in the POs.
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Question about Malik
Ben at Blazers Edge, in his media row report, thinks Malik is not an NBA player. You think he has potential? I ask this as an Oregon Duck who waited year after year for MH’s to blosssom
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
He’s a bit short, but he’s strong and has long arms. He could contribute, but probably not this season.
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Does he look like he can play in the Spurs' system?
makes the correct rotations and such?
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 2, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Dunno. But any hardworking player seems to be able to learn the system, and no one’s questioned Malik’s work ethics. Apparently that was his best quality in the Summer.
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Last year’s PtR darling was Ime Udoka. now, we all want to run over him with the rolling bandwagon of some D-Leaguer we just picked up? That was a fast transition.
Most guys need minutes to stay sharp. Pop is smart to try and either keep sharp or get sharp the guys he knows and can rely on. Oberto and KT need to play. I wouldnt mind seeing more of Pops, just not at the exoense of these guys. I think Pops will be around longer than his 10 day contract. Plus, its not like he hasnt played at all. He’s gotten in. what the heck else do we want? The next yawn mahinmi???
On Malik Hairston: I am HUGE fan. He was hands down one of my favorite players in college at Oregon. I know he was a highly rated recruit and all that, but I always saw him as a play-maker/scrapper who was there to do whatever needed for a win. You need a rebound or a three or a great assist or a stop on D, Malik was there to give it to you. I did not consider him a star-type player…but im not an everyday follower of the Ducks, so I never had that bias on him going in.
I was thrilled when he landed in SA becuase I like that guy and do think he has some potential. And by potential, I mean as the next Bruce Bowen or something like that. I am somewhat surprised that Malik has stuck around as long as though. I was skeptical of him making it at first.
He came into camp and worked hard. Made it tough for Pop to cut him. Then he went to Austin and did his thing. He earned has way back. Somebody has to step in for Bruce, probably next year and it could very well be a guy like Malik, I think (hope).
the bigger question for you, honka, is this: what is the over/under on ernie kent’s future in eugene after this season is over?
I started reading PTR last year and remember some of the Udoka love. I think he looked snappier than Horry and the JV for example and thats why he seemed better than this year. Like you said, without playing time players seems to get lost when they finally come in to the game…
What we need is a role player that gets that amount of minutes. If he can’t produce coming off the bench in a limited role, then he’s not what we need, and we should cut him.
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We were mostly excited about Udoka because of the tall tales of his ass-kicking ability, and his Spur-like character and demeanor. It turned out that when he got on the court, he didn’t consistently produce.
I think the point is that we know what Udoka can do. He’s very limited. We don’t know what Hairston or Mensah-Bonsu would do given the opportunities that Udoka has had. They might be better, worse, the same, whatever, but at least let’s give them a chance to see what they can do.
I have to agree you bones. Although I would like to see more of the young guns, keeping KT and Fab sharp is more important. We know what we have with them.
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by raynorschiene on Mar 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Pops and Malik
Couldn’t agree with you more Matthew. One of our glaring weaknesses as we approach the playoffs is someone who can make the likes of Kobe, Josh Howard, David West, Lamarcus A., etc. work hard on offense. Matt did a serviceable job on Dirk, but Dirk is not an athletic guy. I really don’t think Bruce is that man anymore on a night-by-night basis. I had high hopes for Ime like a lot of other PtR folks, but he just hasn’t panned out (and yes, he’s had his opportunities). So right now is a perfect time to let both Malik and Pops try their hand for awhile on these guys. Maybe they pan out, maybe they don’t. But it sure would be nice to know that we’ve got someone who can slow those guys down come playoff time.
True..
I’d love to see Pops and Malik stay with the team. I think Malik has the chance to be a stud role player and perhaps more. Pops could be a solid 4 and give us a new dynamic. I’m with you Powell. I think this is one area Pop needs to improve, getting young guys in and moving forward with the team. Hopefully the FO will not dump either of these guys.
Pops...
I am not that high on Pops as most of you are…Let me tell you that I am a little more than a casual fan of the game and I did not like Pops’s rotations in the defensive end…It was so bad that I, of all people, was able to spot it right away…
This is not a reason to not play him, though…I was expecting Pop to raise more eyebrows by throwing in the towel early in the second quarter and was really surprised he brought Tony and Tim back in the second quarter at all.
But, being a Spurs fan for a few years now, and Pop being Pop, I really believe that he was trying to do certain things in the game yesterday to see what works and what does not…For example, there were not a lot of quality 3 point attempts in the game yesterday…I dont think this was bcos their defense was great, but the Spurs did not run their offense that way…
Yes, I would have loved to see Pops more, but, I still trust Pop had that angle covered and was working on something else yesterday.
"a nobody Spurs-blogger"
Hey, at least you got one thing right! You sound just like the majority of “fans” on Blazer boards. Whiny, ignorant and loudmouthed. The day you can show numerous NBA titles won on your resume, you can presume to know something. Until then, you’re just another loser fan with no perspective. Keep up the good work bro….
Nice, R11. Thanks for the useful input.
We’ve been infected by Blazers semitrolls.
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But he is right. Our FO is perfect. Look at those championships. They dont make any mistakes. We need to shut up and stop blogging. We need to just watch the spurs being perfect. That Scola guy? He is a chump, it wasnt worth the 3 or 4 million he is earning. He cant even average a double double.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Speaking of Ignorant
How can you say that you have to win NBA titles to know anything? That’s ignorant. That’s like saying you don’t know how to drive unless you can win NASCAR or the Indy Series. Here’s a little saying that I enjoy:
You don’t have to get hit by a brick to know that it hurts.
You have to get hit by a brick to know how it hurts.
All right, this must be that “trash talk” that all the kids are on about. I’ll try my hand at it, but keep in mind that I’m a Spurs fan, so my response may not be as flashy or derogatory as these things are wont to be. . . .
Sirrah, I respond in kind with naught but a faint quirk of my mouth and a twitch of my eyebrow as I spin on my heel and leave you to rail, foolishly, at thin air. For the devastating truth is this—disdain is best expressed by utterly ignoring the knave in question.
Hmm, no, something not quite right there . . . damn my pedestrian ways!
by Lauri on Mar 2, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
What the hell do we need to do to make your comment green? Gather 1000 signatures?
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So turning green is good?
I am unschooled in the ways of rec’cing. Before today I was, in fact, a rec virgin. I mean, I’d given recs, but I hadn’t, you know . . . received. So I think technically I was a virgin. That’s what the pastor said, anyway.
So I was the first one to rec you? Wow… I feel so lucky.
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I’m not sure who the first was. There were 7 of you . . . it all went so fast. I’m sure it could have been you, though!
by Lauri on Mar 2, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I guess that’s one way to get your first rec.
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They do a great job here.
It’s not your place as a Blazer fan to come in here and criticize their work because you don’t like the style. They have a large readership… people that like the style they provide.
Is Blazersedge different? Yes. This site is hilarious though. Always worth a read.
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by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We feel the exact same way
about Carlisle’s use of Gerald Green.
I hate you guys for stealing Pops from us.
Haha
James White can attest to that.
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
Hopefully he gets a chance to wear a sombrero to the 2009 NBA Championship ceremony before he’s sent packing…
Man, he was epic in that D-League Dunk Contest a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn’t have minded seeing him stick with the Spurs a lot longer…..
"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor
Do yourself a favor and watch Draft Express’ DX-Mo vids of his dunks. Beauty.
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Spurs probably needs coaches to teach their young athletic prospects such as Ewing to Howard in Orlando or Jabbar to Bynum in LA. I think this is the reason why were not into young guys, because we dont have anybody to develop them to play in the system so we let them go such as White and now maybe M-bonsu and Hairston and probably why we dont have Barbosa. And we need credible scouts to get us the talent because I was wondering why we wasted time on Tolliver when Hairston and Bonsu were around and why let go of Udrih only to have JV and how come we didnt discover Azubuike or Watson from the d league. And what about Bonzi Wells, he used to terrorize the spurs and I dont see him with the other teams..

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