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One foe tanks, the other one might as well

First, the important stuff: In a provocatively-titled ("Manu Works Up a Sweat") MYSA blog post, beat writer Jeff McDonald gives us some good news. Sure, our precious China Doll isn't getting the kind of workout that Bellasa or one of our other enterprising female posters fantasize about, but at least he's progressed to having a "brisk jog" on the treadmill. It's just as well. If the other thing happened I'd never stop pestering the gals for details. I'd be worse than Carl Monday, I kid you not. (Google the name if you don't know, Powell would kill me if I linked to it.)

Star-divide

Anyway, speaking of public spankings, our beloved Spurs administered a couple in the past week, first to the woebegone Washington Generals er Bullets oh dammit Wizards and then to our favorite chew-toys, the Phoenix Suns.

Spurs 100, Wizards 78

Okay, let's start with this one, but I've got nothing on the game itself. Frankly, I think games like these are why the NBA has such a horrible reputation among casual sports fans. I'm glad my fellow Texas-based PtR mates had a great time at their get-together, and I sincerely hope everyone got good and drunk and maybe even a lucky few of you celebrated with each other horizontally after the party, but the game itself was a dreadful bore. Even if Manu played it would've been a bit more interesting, but not a whole lot more.

Alright, that was a lie. But still.

To me it was painfully obvious that the Wiz did not want to be there. If you told them before the game that they could just forfeit and no one would think less of them, I'm sure they would've gladly accepted. And so would Pop. He could probably have gotten more out of the wasted two hours by having a solid practice and film session than he did in that glorified scrimmage. I've seen NFL pre-season games that had more intensity and drama. Washington, missing their two best players, Caron Butler and Gilbert Arenas (in that order, by the way), are in full-on tank mode, trying to acquire as many ping-pong balls as possible to win the draft lottery so they can acquire - well who exactly? Blake Griffin? Whomever floats their boat, I suppose -  and start fresh next year. A handful of NBA teams do this each season (including us in 1996) and we think nothing of it.

Of course, there is a logical reason for it. In no other sport can one player singlehandedly turn around his team's fortunes so dramatically. No matter how good a quarterback or a hockey goalie is, they still only impact half the game (offense for the former, defense for the latter). A guy like Timmeh however affects both ends of the court, and is the central strategical hub of the offensive and defensive game plan.

Knowing what we know about Duncan now, not only would it be patently impossible to argue against the philosophy of tanking but the price we paid to land Tim was comically cheap. All we wasted was one bad year. If we had to do it all over again, knowing what kind of player Duncan would become, how many terrible years would we sacrifice to the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Three? Five? Going 0-and-410 from '92 to '96 would've been worth it, no?

The ironic aspect of the tanking though is that the NBA is the only league, out of the big four, where draft order isn't directly determined by who has the worst record. The executives realize how much of a difference one player could make and how radically one guy can alter the landscape.  That's why there's a lottery, to discourage open tanking. 

Still, the bad teams don't care. It's worth it to them to look ridiculous on the highlights, to embarrass themselves in arenas all over the country, just to gain ten or twenty extra ping-pong balls out of a thousand. The potential reward over the next decade is worth a few months of humiliation. Who even remembers the Spurs tanking games in 1996 outside of hard core Spurs fans? 

Of course, even if a team like Washington finds itself fortunate enough to win the Griffin sweepstakes, that's only the first piece of the puzzle. Then they have to hope that the guy will be worth the effort (or perhaps, more accurately, the lack-of-effort). They have to discover if he is just merely good - a building block type of player like an Andrea Bargnani or Andrew Bogut, or an instant franchise player such as Duncan or Shaq or LeBron. Heaven help them if he is a total bust like Michael Olowokandi. Remember the Wiz were already in this situation fairly recently - 2001 - and they blew it spectacularly with Kwame Brown, Michael Jordan's hand-picked franchise savior.

(Incidentally, I think Jordan has been too harshly criticized for this. Who was he supposed to pick? 2001 was one of the worst NBA drafts of all time. Only five guys in the whole draft ever made an All-Star game. Would Tyson Chandler have fared any better with the pressure of being first overall? Reportedly Jordan had the two of them play one-on-one at a workout, and Brown destroyed Chandler in this game. Should Jordan have picked Eddy Curry? Did anyone really expect him to draft some skinny 21-year old Spaniard named Pau Gasol? It could be argued that the best player in the whole draft was our own Tony Parker, picked 28th, and I don't remember any of the draft gurus at the time blasting MJ for not entrusting his franchise to some unknown teenager from France.)

Then, even if somehow Griffin winds up being an absolute beast, the Wizards still have to surround him with the right supporting cast. Tonys and Manus don't just grow on trees. While Parker is competing with Gasol, Joe Johnson and Agent Zero for "Best Player in the '01 Draft" status, Manu, picked 57th in the '99 draft (the lowest of nine All-Stars), is in the running for similar honors with Baron Davis and Elton Brand.

When you think of it that way, it's simply mind-boggling how lucky the Spurs have been. In one glorious year, 2003, they had, again arguably, the four best players of their respective drafts (along with The Admiral, of course) on one roster.

Can Butler and Arenas be the Manu and Tony to Griffin's Duncan? Will they get the chance? We'll find out in due time. For now, all we can do is thank the Wiz for a sweat-less win and move on, trying not to rubberneck too much at their wreckage. It'd be hypocritical of us, of all teams, to call Washington shameless. We've been there.

Oh, and even if you get all the right players, you still need a great coach like Pop to mend all the egos together. And make no mistake about it, the guy is a great coach. Except for all the times he's a stupid, stubborn, useless Finley-loving bastard.

As for the game, I thought Ime Udoka was just fantastic. Bully for him.

Spurs 103, Suns 98         SA: 42-20       1st in Southwest, 2nd in Western Conference

As sad as the Wizards' plight is, at least they have a glimmer of hope for the future. The next five to ten years look considerably more grim for Phoenix. If anyone can think of anything positive this organization has going for it, I'd love to know about it.

Once upon a time, at their peak, the Suns were almost as good as us. Not quite, but you know, they were in the conversation. These days though, they've almost willfully engineered themselves to be the worst match-up for the Spurs as humanly possible. They traded away Shawn Marion, the one guy they had who ever gave Tony problems. Now Parker salivates when he sees these guys on the schedule, each game with them a sure reminder of his honeymoon with the Mrs. Parker doesn't exactly lack for confidence to begin with, but to go all Simmons on you, he turns into Teen Wolf against the Suns. He simply destroys them each and every time. And to give you an idea of how woeful Steve Nash is defensively, the Suns preferred to guard Parker with Grant Hill, a 36-year old swingman who's had roughly 138 ankle surgeries. Why not just put Steve Kerr back in uniform and have him try his luck?

Frankly I'm surprised at this stage that the Suns haven't just taken the radical step of just denying Parker the ball, regardless of the cost. Why haven't they taken a "we don't care if Duncan breaks Wilt's record of 100 points, Parker is not going to score" stance after he's taken them apart so many times, I'll never figure out. You'd think they'd try it for a quarter or a half, just as an experiment. I think it's been proven, abundantly, that going under the screens against the guy isn't working. 

Even better for Tony - and thus, us - is that the Suns traded the self-monikered "Matrix" (I've always preferred calling Marion The Praying Mantis) for perhaps the worst pick-and-roll defending bigman the NBA has ever seen. Shaq literally just stands there and does nothing, opting to guard neither Parker, who rather fancies the pick-and-roll, or the opposing big. He chooses instead to guard the third man, whom only he can see, standing at the free throw line, waiting to wreck havoc on the big fella's dreams of a fifth ring. That invisible smartass just had to be standing at the stripe, didn't he? The very spot that's been the offensive bane of The Big Liability's existence. O' cruel poetic justice.

That Amar'e (beware future NBA hopefuls, having an apostrophe in your name is a dead giveaway to GMs that you suck on defense) Stoudemire, who always gives us fits defensively, was also out with an eye injury was kinda like the cherry on the sundae - not at all that important, but it doesn't hurt. His absence meant the Suns were strictly going to be a perimeter team (call me a wizard, but I didn't see O'Neal scoring 40 on Tim and the in-form KT). In fact Thomas was much the superior defender in the second half and Pop hardly played Duncan in the fourth quarter. Tim was his usual awesome self in the first half, not so good in the second.

Just about every Phoenix swingman (Hill, Richardson, Barbosa, Barnes) had a moment or two of individual brilliance, and Nash had his typical effectiveness with the ball (23 and 11), but nobody played out of their skull enough to really make a difference. George Hill may have lost his backup point job to Mace (more on this topic some other time) but he was still brought in for the final stanza to snuff Nash's fire. That, in conjunction with Parker's second half dominance and some solid contributions from Mason, Findog and Kurt, were enough to get the job done.

A decent enough game, but it's already forgotten. The Suns have set for good and belaboring the point anymore would be like dancing on their graves. Not only would beating the Bobcats tonight count just as much in the standings, but it'd be about as meaningful at this stage.

 

 

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He chooses instead to guard the third man, whom only he can see, standing at the free throw line, waiting to wreck havoc on the big fella’s dreams of a fifth ring. That invisible bastard just had to be standing at the stripe, didn’t he? The very spot that’s been the offensive bane of The Big Liability’s existence.

Classic stuff… People looking at me funny in the office laughing out loud…

by LasEspuelas on Mar 10, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

in the office laughing out loud while I laugh out loud…

by LasEspuelas on Mar 10, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice, Stampler. I’d comment more, but the game is on… By the way, draftwise, hindsight is 20-20, but yes, MJ should’ve picked Pau.

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by LatinD on Mar 10, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At the turn of this century the Spurs were way ahead of the rest of the NBA in terms of drafting foreign talent, so a team like the Wizards would certainly have been pretty clueless in 2001 (esp. with MJ at the helm). Just the fact that Brown was to be the first high-schooler ever drafted #1 should have caused them to go in another direction (it wasn’t like Brown was a can’t-miss Lew Alcindor). If the Spurs would have had that #1 pick, I think it’s most likely they would have gone for Gasol.

by 4Him on Mar 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God...

..that we didn’t have a chance to take Gasol….I have a hard enough time rooting for somebody as ugly as Oberto. I’m not sure I could bring my self to root for that ugly bastard.

by Big50 on Mar 11, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww, so mean.

Gasol doesn’t even come close to making the All-Ugly Team.

I would say who does, but then I’d be objectifying men.

Oh, ok, Sam Cassell, Gheorghe Muresan, Popeye Jones, Larry Bird, Tyrone Hill . . .

(It would be a pretty good team, you have to admit.)

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, impossible to guard. Too ugly to even touch them

"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."

by Chilai on Mar 11, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C’mon Lauri. We need an active player all-ugly team.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Mar 11, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I got a merit raise at work yesterday. And here I am, risking it all to impress my imaginary basketball friends.

FINE.

(Center) Chris Kaman

(Forward) Joakim Noah

(Guard) Delonte West

(Forward) Shelden Williams

(Guard) Steve Blake

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darn, messed up the last link.

Steve Blake

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

I’m sorry, Williams while ugly, is not revolting, nor does he look like he could be a serial killer as Gasol does. Steve Blake isn’t the ugly…he just looks like a kid going through that awkward stage.

by Big50 on Mar 11, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was kidding. Just an excuse for a Big Lebowski reference.

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally recognized the reference and it gave me instant happiness for a second.

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that looking like a serial killer makes you ugly

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Mar 11, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re not speaking from experience….I hope

by Big50 on Mar 11, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like this guy:

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on the money, Lauri.

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, the Snaq analysis was just fucking brilliant. [bows]

The Spurs: Destroying other franchises since 1999.

by Tim C. on Mar 10, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is amazing...

… that he even knows where Parker is half the time.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Mar 11, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeesh...

I didn’t even notice the picture was mirrored.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Hirschof on Mar 11, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, your brilliance shines, Stampler. And I’m sure that bellasa would volunteer to help Manu with his “rehab”.

Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

by CapHill on Mar 10, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First my love and admiration for the Manu is totally lust driven pure and spiritual. That being said, I happen to give a great massage… call me Manu… anytime… not really.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Mar 11, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone watching the Lakers and the Rockets tonight?

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got the gamecast going. Is it on tv?

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by dfjmed on Mar 11, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not for me. I’m watching it on Justin TV.

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, that was a reply to you, df.

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At halftime Houston is up by 11 (!) — I would have expected the Lakers to be in statement mode after what happened to them in Portland. . . .

by Lauri on Mar 11, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

aaaaaaand they pulled off a win. Oh well, at least they won’t be angry like Cleveland was.

The Spurs: Destroying other franchises since 1999.

by Tim C. on Mar 11, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone alive tonight?

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feel like helping me with the preview? I have lots of crap going on tomorrow, ATS has been busy lately and I don’t want to bother him, and I’m not sure I can make it in time. Just the matchup stuff, the nicks, whatever you want to add.

If Hipuks doesn’t have the time, does someone feel like doing it? I might be able to do it… but I’m not sure.

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can do it, just…how do you do it?

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whaddaya mean? I’ll send you the template, you just talk out of your ass or make silly jokes. It’s so simple. :)

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, sure. I’ll do it in the early hours of the morning, because that’s how I roll.

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Hipuks.I’ll do the links and stuff, so don’t worry about it.

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And sorry for bugging you. :)

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I did lose some time managing my vast portfolio, but it’s okay, I’ll get my secretary on it.

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 11, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And sorry for the trap. :)

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want a lion… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjWtRYaxmWM

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by LatinD on Mar 11, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I always tear up when I watch that stupid video. Thanks alot.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Mar 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As sad as the Wizards’ plight is, at least they have a glimmer of hope for the future. The next five to ten years look considerably more grim for Phoenix.

This is a very debatable statement actually. Looking at the long term contracts that the Wizards are tied to you can definitely make a case for them being one of the least financially healthy teams in the NBA. Why? Let’s look at the 2007-2008 season, one where they actually made the playoffs.

The Wizards salary cap is dominated by 3 major players: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler. Together, their earnings comprise of about 60% of the total available space.

Arenas’ current contract is without a doubt one of the worst in the NBA. It’s a six-year $111 Million monster of a deal that will last through the 2013-14 season. All things considered Arena’s isn’t a bad player. He’s a 3-time All-Star who on rare occasions demonstrates his ability to score at will. I’ll be the first to admit it’s difficult to expect anyone to perform up to standards that would justify getting paid that much money; but on-court accomplishments aside, there were plenty of indications, even before his new contract was signed, that Arenas just wasn’t the franchise player the Wizards were looking for.

In this season and the last it’s pretty safe to say Arenas has played less than 20 games. Last year he injured his knee eight games into November, sat out for the next four months, before making a minor and pointless cameo in Washingtons playoff loss to the Cavaliers. Knowing full well that his knees weren’t what they used to be, Washington’s front office was goaded by the Warriors, of all teams, into inking him to a new and ridiculously massive deal. I’m no doctor but im sure it doesn’t take a MD PhD to question the integrety of the man’s MCL.

Even beyond his injury prone body Gilbert simply just doens’t have the track record of a leader. Eddie Jordan, the old Wizards coach coined the term “Gibertology” to describe Arenas erratic and selfish behavior. Even Adonal Foyle, a man renown for his shambolic playing and nice-guy guy attitude, called Arenas a “lunatic”. The point of all of this is that for the next 5 years the Wizards are bascially stuck with an untradeable, unnegotiable contract worth a cool 18 large a year. I mean yes, it’s possible that Gilbert could return from injury and lead the Wizards to the NBA Championship, rack up MVP honors and average 30/10/10 but hey, if that happens at least someone will have at finally averaged a triple-double season.

Antwan Jamison, the second star of the Wizards 3 sun solar system is like the fat heiress taking up two spaces on a Titanic life raft. Not totally useless but still wasting a ton of space. Judging by his stats the man looks like he produces numbers somewhat worth his 4 year $50 million dollar paycheck. But if you look closely he’s just another above average player. Let’s look at his numbers in December 2007, a month on the good but not great side for the Wizards (they won 8 of 13). Over the 13 games that month he averaged 22.2 Points, 11.8 Rebounds on .444 shooting, not bad right? Wrong. If you compare Jamison to a solid, efficient, former San Antonio draft pick in the shape of Luis Scola you find that the two of them were pretty much statistically the same over comparable periods. In January 2008, a similar stretch for Houston (won 10 of 14) Scola averaged 9.9 points, 4.9 rebounds on .474 shooting. On paper this looks a lot worse but when you adjust for playing time (Scola played 60.7% as long as Jamison: 40.2 mins versus 24.41 mins) you’ll find that had they played for equal time Antwan would’ve averaged 13.9 points and 7.3 rebounds. Jamison’s numbers are still significantly better but you have to realize in my hack formula theres no way of really accurately/easily attempting to adjust for a better shooting percentage, the presence of Yao Ming, lack of Gilbert Arenas, presence of different opponents and Scola’s rookie factor. I mean if Helen Keller looked at Scola’s numbers this year she’d be able to tell you, in sign language of course, that hes improved a whole lot.

The point behind all of this is that Scola probably won’t ever command a $13 Million a year contract and the Wizards are stuck in the long run with another par player jocking a superstar contract. (Anyways, Ginobili has a circa $10 million contract and you can’t even compare Jamison with him, you just can’t. Numbers aside that’s enough for me.)
I don’t even want to waste words talking about Caron Butler.

PS. I chose to use the 2007-2008 statistics since at least the Wizards made the playoffs that year. I should’ve at use a year when Jamison and Arenas were both playing since that should at least indicate the “maximum” potential of the team but really who cares, the Wizards suck.

Anyways after a million words the it suffices to say the Wizards future is looking grim indeed.

by turnitin.com on Mar 12, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Before I get ripped on my formula I just want to say that I understand it is not accurate statistics. I just did the calculations really fast to put things into better perspective. Also I know that normally 4 more points and 2.x rebounds more is a lot over a season but over the course of 13-14 games one great performance can easily skew the numbers.

by turnitin.com on Mar 12, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There but for the brain of Buford...

I think you made your point exceedingly well, and with more than an adequate amount of humor.

Thanks for stopping in and brightening up the place with your hilarious take on a completely depressing state of cap affairs in D.C.

You’re better off trying to intimidate the sea.
- LatinD

by jollyrogerwilco on Mar 12, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a great post, turnitin. You really need to drop by more often. Also, you’re completely right.

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by LatinD on Mar 12, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for actually reading all of that. I realize that no one (including myself) really cares what happens to the Wizards. I tend to write long comments but its usually because I see something that piques my interest. I’ll do my best to keep posting.

by turnitin.com on Mar 13, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No game thread, so I’ll put this here:

Kobe scored 37 points last night (31 of those in the second half) while being guarded by Shane Battier and Ron Artest.

Gird your loins, Spurs fans. Tonight we ride to battle.

by Lauri on Mar 12, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Girding… check.

I don’t know why but I feel surprisingly positive about tonight’s game.

Maybe I’m just so slammed at work that I don’t comprend the significance of the moment…. meh.

GO SPURS GO!

BTW- Stanley Tucci… another wonderful actor :)

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Mar 12, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres a great fan post over at Brightsideofthesun. Many fans have written this season off.

Tonight… the Lakers go down.

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by dfjmed on Mar 12, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

do you guys watch the games against the sun? Are you proud that eighty percent of you wins vs the suns were really won by the refs?

by briz36 on Mar 12, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I’m pretty proud.

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 12, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m proud… let me check… yeah, pretty proud.

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by LatinD on Mar 12, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m proud of 4 rings… that makes me smile.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Mar 12, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I get it. I’d hate us too if I were a Suns fan. But to answer your question, yeah, I watch ALL the games, including the ones against the Suns. And you know as well as we do that what happened to your team this season has nothing to do with the refs and everything to do with dysfunction. And it sucks for you guys, because individually Steve Kerr and Terry Porter and Steve Nash and hell, maybe even Shaq are good people. They just weren’t a good team.

It’s gotta hurt.

by Lauri on Mar 12, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at you guys, its that attitude that brought on the karma you got vs the lakers last year in semi-finals. I guess what goes around comes around. HA!

by briz36 on Mar 12, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What did you guys do before Duncan shot that three? Sacrifice babies?

When you look like I do it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese- Zach Galifianakis

by Hipuks on Mar 12, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh. Under that theory, what exactly explains the Suns’ karma?

by Lauri on Mar 12, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well obviously, we sacrifice more chickens to the FSM. Plus, we have a lot of alcoholics, which I view as a positive in the mojo column, but that’s just me.

Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

by CapHill on Mar 12, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is obvious that our bad karma is Colangalo selling the teem to sarver, but really, How after 16 years of shooting free throws the same way, they fanally deciede to start calling Shaq on his free throws? They wait until he is in suns uni going against spurs in the playoffs.

by briz36 on Mar 12, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and duncan got away with a travel on that 3

by briz36 on Mar 12, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I hope that you are either a young child or an old man. Otherwise, this would be pretty sad.

I'm comfortable winning -- Emmanuel Ginobili

by pollackj on Mar 13, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure either of those would save this wretch.

by Azreous on Mar 13, 2009 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah! … the voice of reason for the Suns blog… nice to see your cute face again. ;-)

BTW- I hope you guys make the playoffs… your team is way more fun than Dallas.

I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili

by bellasa on Mar 13, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they make it instead of Portland who annoy me to no end. Too bad it’s an unreasonable expectation. I like Dirk and I am going to see him take Lake Town down a few pegs in their house on Sunday.

by turnitin.com on Mar 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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