A quick note about the Hornets Game...
Spurs 106, Hornets 93 SA: 32-14 (1st in Southwest)
Manu Ginobili dunks on Hilton Armstrong - Jan 31, 2009 (via ChampionSpellor2)
Yes, obviously the story of the game was the Manu Dunk. It's a highlight we can watch over and over again without being bored, like the block on Wade earlier this year, or his dunks over Diop and Yao and his passes to Bonner and Fab last year. It's what he do. We know this.
But aside from Manu's awesomeness (and the theory from my last post held up so far, by the way, his first attempt and make was a layup and he went on to score 22 points) and a rare non-sucky evening from Findog, which you knew would happen in front of Powell, his biggest critic, I think I have to give a shout out to the guy who was probably most integral to the win.
Tony Parker.
No, this is not a misprint. I'm giving Tony Parker some love.
I think Tony totally kicked Chris Paul's ass Saturday night. No, I'm not crazy. I can read a box score. Paul looked like he was dominant, but really his 38 points were filled with sound and fury, signifying nothing, which come to think of it, is a good way to describe the NOOCH's punkass point guard too.
Yeah Paul scored. Somebody had to for them. But at what cost? He had four piddly assists the whole game. That's not him and that's not the Hornets. I don't know how much credit Tony deserves and how much Pop deserves, but we totally took Paul out of his game by turning him into a chucker and not a playmaker. Look at the box score; Peja Stojakovic got six freaking shots the whole night, and this time he can't use the excuse that Bowen was siccing him the whole night like some rabid guard dog against a prowler. Paul even had four turnovers, giving him an assist to turnover ratio of (give me a minute for the math)... 1.00. Not good.
Now look at Tony. 25 points on 67% shooting, seven assists, and only one turnover. He scored when it was opportune for him to score but never looked to take over the game at the expense of his teammates. When guys like Manu and Fin were hot, they got the ball. Hell, when Matt Bonner was hot, he got the ball. The Hornets had two guys with 20+ shots and no others with even ten. We had five guys with ten or more and no one with 20. That's spreading the ball around and making sure the whole team is dangerous. And Tony even took a charge! In fact, two charges! I feel like I'm going to cry.
To me it's not too hard to figure out why the Hornets are worse this year and it has little to do with Chandler's injury. Paul's sulky, bitter, punk attitude is rubbing off on the whole team, in a negative way. They're arguing every call, their body language is terrible and they think the whole world is out to get them. Paul, who is ironically leading the league in assists, is selfishly bringing the whole team down with his negative thuggish mannerisms and creating a divide between himself and the rest of his teammates. It'd be one thing for Paul to finish with just four assists, but when the whole team has just ten, it tells me that they're a bunch of unhappy, dispirited guys looking out for themselves and not making the extra pass against a Spurs defense that has been anything but dominant this season.
I'm not sure how one player can be both a thug and a shameless flopper at the same time (he really needs to watch videos of Fab, his flopping is so overly theatrical that nobody buys them) while retaining a positive image with the mainstream press, but he's not the first guy to fool the media. I think the problem is that most casual fans just see Paul's highlights on SportsCenter and don't watch him game in and game out. If more people did, they'd be surprised how unsportsmanlike and unlikeable Paul really is.
Me, I'm glad he's not our point guard and I'm glad the Hornets are slowly slipping into irrelevance. The easier the Spurs breeze through the first two rounds the more "juice" Manu and co. will have left for the Lakers.
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Blasphemer! Aren’t you supposed to be the leader of our new cult religion, Manutology?
Kidding, of course. It’s rare for me to agree with 100% of what anybody says, but everything in this post is true. Tony didn’t have any overly spectacular plays, but he was definitely the man.
And even though Chris Paul seems to be the most liked person in the league off the court, he really is a whiny little b*tch on it. Go figure.
I think so much talking and preparing for the lakers will be pointless. We will lose against another team or the Lakers will surprinsinlgy not make the conference finals (see Bynum. Andrew). It just feels like 07 when all the talk was about Dallas, and how dominant they were and all of a sudden they were out. I dont see another Spurs-Lakers conference Finals. Make it Spurs-Blazers or Lakers-Rockets.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
pretty bold statement. I just don’t see the Lakers intimidated by another team, and Phil will most certainly not get outcoached like Avery did before Game 1 even started.
What the Bowen giveth Horry taketh away. --LatinD (2008 Playoffs Round 2, Game 1)
the Spurs do not defeat you so much as they grind you into tiny shards of psychological wreckage.
-the Denver Post
by Hamer_SpursFan on Feb 2, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah and he has Kobe who is worlds better than Dirk. Still, what im saying is that the obvious and what all the media and fans are expecting almost never happens. So the rational thing to expect in the conference finals would be Lakers-Spurs and Cavs-Celtics, but im pretty sure It wont be that way. One or two dark horses (orlando, Houston, Portland, etc) will make it.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Wow.
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I thought it was Pop’s plan to let Paul score. If Paul makes just about everything he shoots, I imagine that we can’t credit Tony for his individual D. What are we saying, that he somehow prevented CP from passing the ball?
Hmm.
I agree with LatinD...
Your arguments are counter intuitive. I did not watch the game so I dont know, but it seems from the box score and what you write in the article that the spurs won despite Tony allowing CP to score. I sounds more likely that the Spurs as a team did a good job on defending everyone else. The 67% shooting is priceless though.
I would say that the whole team defended pretty well while Tony sucked. After all, in the NBA its common to see games when NO ONE has a good night, so its not impossible to lock down a whole team. Of course Tony had the most difficult by far defensive assignment, im not blaming him for being torched by probably the best PG in the world. But still, he gave up 38 points on 15-22 shooting for Paul if I remember well.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
I thought Tony actually played pretty solid defense on him. It was pretty clear that the team plan was to give Paul as many long shots as he wanted. Paul was a 34% 3-pt shooter coming into the game. You want him taking those shots and he hit them. He also hit a few tough 10-12 footers where he got fortuitous rolls. Paul had very few layups and shot very few uncontested shots inside of 20 feet.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 3, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
the other thing to consider about the hornets is that they received all sorts of priaise/dap/love and whatever for fighting a valiant seven game battle against the mighty champion spurs and all that – which is true.
but keep in the back of your hat that timmy played 1+ games while horribly sick and manu was injured.
maybe they just werent that good to begin with.
Tony
When he plays as well as he did, this team is not beatable. Period. When Tony brings his game to the level of TD and Manu this team will be all comers. I don’t mind seeing the Hornets struggle, but I’m not convinced they will be an easy out in the playoffs. Also, it will depend on seeding as far as us facing the Lakers in the WCF. I don’t see any other teams beating the Spurs or Lakers before they face off though, regardless if Bynum is healthy.
One man's toxic sludge is another man's popuri
Spot on assessment on C-Punk-3. I used to be a bigger fan of his, but his theatrics are unwatchable. He’s still a great player, but gotdamn with all the flopping. He actually hurt himself last night during one of his shameless flops. Another issue the Hornets are dealing with: Byron Scott. That guy CAN NOT coach. He makes no in-game adjustments, and he sits on the sideline with the same crazy look.
"....It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can’t do it. I want winners!" - Mike Singletary
I wouldnt jump so quick on Byron Scott. Maybe we should ask a Hornets fan what he feels about his coach. Pop also makes baffling decisions and puts strange lineups in the regular season. We cant judge a coach for 1 game.
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Go spend some time reading Atthehive.com, an SBNation site for the Hornets. They are all about the Byron Scott skewering, for the very reasons DennardC mentions.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." – Aldous Huxley
I'm judging him for the entire season
I’ve watched about 10 of their games this season, and it’s the same thing everytime. He has a point guard made to push the rock, yet the play the 3rd or 4th slowest pace in the league. He doesn’t play one of his younger more athletic player(Julian Wright), and in turn hinder his development. I’m telling you this guy is not a good coach.
"....It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can’t do it. I want winners!" - Mike Singletary
Damn grammar
I meant to type they instead of the in sentence 2, players not player. Fail for DennardC : (.
"....It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can’t do it. I want winners!" - Mike Singletary
Ensconced in velvet.
Did anyone else feel that last night’s er… this morning’s game was garbage from whistle to whistle? I can’t stand Costanza basketball. Spurs have a hard time adjusting to it as well.
There were bad calls on top of bad calls. But a win is a win.
Newbie here. First post, but I’ve been reading for a few months.
Howdy neighbor. I figure you are in Cedar Park, TX.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 3, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 3, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

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