A proposed Spurs trade that is actually realistic
by sungo on Feb 18, 2009 10:10 PM CST
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PrintThe Spurs have two obvious needs (besides the health of the Big Three):
1. A big man who can play defense and rebound.
2. A permanent spot on the bench for Michael Finley.
Rasheed Wallace seems like a pipe dream to me. I find it hard to believe that Detroit couldn't get something better than Bonner, Hill, Mahinmi, Mason (these are the only four guys we would trade that anyone would want) and contract filler (especially when you consider that Detroit would have to cut guys to make room on their roster for our pu-pu platter).
So how about we go after someone who's actually available?
Drew Gooden. Yeah, he's got a tweaked groin, but it sounds like he wants to play:
"Sacramento has been interested in me for a couple years, so maybe something can work out long-term there. If not, I'm an unrestricted free agent this summer, so I'm auditioning for other teams."
If he qualified, Gooden's rebound rate would be good for 18th in the NBA this season. I doubt he could pick up the entire idiosyncratic nature of Spurs' defense in three months, but his athletic ability alone would make him a better option than Oberto. (Also, I think he's do a better job against Lamar Odom than anyone we currently have.)
Drew Gooden's best attribute is that he's available for a song. Sacramento acquired him solely because of his expiring contract. I would bet the Spurs could get him for a second round pick. The salaries could be matched by signing Horry and sending him to Sacramento.
The obvious snag in all this is that is entails the Spurs taking on about 3 million in salary. Assuming there's a good chance he's healthy enough to play the rest of the season, I think it's worth a shot.
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Hornets-Thunder trade rescinded
Joe Smith, Wilcox, and Chandler are no longer being traded because Thunder were concerned about turf toe on Chandler. Do you guys think Spurs should make a run at any of these guys?
Yes.
And I hate Drew Gooden. He’s one of 5 that I would despise seeing in a SPURS jersey. He’s got the raw talent, as Matthew indicated, but doesn’t have the attitude or work ethic that our organization is built on.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Who do you want THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET WITH PLAYERS WE CAN AFFORD TO GIVE UP? We’re never getting Chandler.
I can’t even understand what you’re saying when you speak Argentine.
Yes, neither Chandler nor Sheed is happening. But we now could snag Joe Smith fairly easily. His veteranness would be an asset in that he could come in and produce quickly. There’s our big. And/or we could still bring up Pops from the Toros. It’s not like Pop or RC and he’s raw, but it’d fill our void in ‘energy’ and ‘boarding.’ It’d be a risk to lay things on Pops like this, but with some quick tutoring his athleticism would help us short term and it would be a small risk. In addition, we wouldn’t have to give up Rog, Hill or Bruce to do either of these; and those are concerns I have going after anyone else.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Smith is not as good a rebounder as Gooden, but if he’s available for merely a second round pick then I certainly wouldn’t oppose getting him.
How familiar are you with Pops? I’m telling you, there’s potential for White-like love there.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
If he was able to fill our need for a “big” that could produce more than 1 out of 6 games as we’re accustomed to; I’ve seen stranger things from Pop this year.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
And Gooden would only have to fit in for 4 months. Nazr Mohammed part II (except he’d be gone even sooner).
Nazr is a poor example. Fitting a big (“just stand there and put your hands up”) into the system in the 2nd half of the season on a championship team is fairly seamless; fitting a shooter/slasher into the system is a different situation. Especially one that has attitude issues. Too much risk in that for me.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn’t ask Gooden to slash. He’d rebound and play some pick and roll off the bench. It’s not like he’s going to demand the ball from Tony and start taking guys on one on one. He’s an NBA basketball player, not a crazy guy off the street. You make him out to be Zach Randolph.
Are you forgetting the neck-beard? That’s pure hobo-crazy right there.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point...
I’m not sure Gooden’s and Oberto’s beards can coexist on the same team.
Though I'd love to have him
I can’t imagine New Orleans shipping Chandler to us. Plus we don’t have any big man they could possibly. At least Wilcox can play a little.
Yeah... bit of a reach for Chandler... but...
New Orleans showed that they were willing to let Chandler go pretty cheaply. I don’t know how desperate they are to get him off the books (although they have next year to deal too I guess), but the trade options they have are a bit more limited now that some teams already made trades. Also, other teams might be hesitant because of injury. I know we’re rivals and all, but if they are desperate…?
Mabye I’m just dreaming.
If the Hornets trade with us to make our team better, they essentially have given up on their roster. I don’t think they’ve gone that far.
they gave up by trading him to begin with
and its not like the return was that good-Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox? This was a pure salary dump
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I’m not a Gooden fan. But, he could be OK for us.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 18, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions
As of 12:09AM EST-
Discussions with San Antonio have broken down because the Spurs, although willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto, are not willing to include Roger Mason Jr. and George Hill in the deal.
From ESPN now, concerning a Carter deal.
The Bucks’ talks with San Antonio about Jefferson have stalled, as well.
From ESPN now, concerning a Jefferson deal.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 18, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions
Why the fuck would New Jersey trade Vince Carter for two scrubs? Who’d they offer for Jefferson? Horry and a 2029 second round pick?
First of all, its intelligent to just ask. You never know when you are getting a quality player for free (remember camby? Gasol? Chandler for 2 backups?). There are a lot of dumb gms out there. I thinks thats exactly what a guy like pricchard does: call a lot of gms and ask about ridiolous trades. You never know
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what."
Remember Gasol…
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Because Vince Carter is getting paid A LOT the next couple years and the Nets don’t want to pay him.
In case you haven’t noticed, the economy sucks. Some teams are going to start losing some serious money, like the Hornets, and will need to cut costs.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 19, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Powell, did you ever stop to think that the 2029 second round pick could be Ginobili’s son?
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Feb 20, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
The Spurs just can’t afford to take on 7mill for the rest of the season. They would need to get rid of two players at least to take on Gooden. A sign/trade/waive with Horry won’t work here. Assuming we do have the assets to get him, I can’t see him being really all that of a difference maker.
Spurs just trying to act on the fire sales around the L. Hoping somebody trades their star player for our scrubs.
Yeah, and better bring Sean Elliott along, too. Also, is the Ice Man still in shape?
How about Joel Przybilla from the Blazers? Not much offense there but he can block shots and rebound like crazy.
by silverandblack_davis on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
/briefly stirs from his sleep within robinson’s bronzed arms outside the att center.
who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder? there are some who call me ... tim.
Awesome. If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on. -SiMA
that reminds me…
Does anyone have a copy of a David Robinson poster featuring one arm extended. I think it’s a black and white poster showing half of David’s face with his arm extended and holding an orange basketball.
Anyone?
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
Is it this one you’re talking about?
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 19, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
that's very nice, but no.
The poster I’m looking for is horizontal. His arm is parallel to the floor and outstreteched with him palming the basketball.
it’s a great shot.
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
I’ll look for it and get back to you. My collection of SPURScrap knows no bounds.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
That’s right… I remember. You have all the framed magazine covers… correct?
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
That I do. “The Shrine of obsession,” as my peeps call it. “A lifetime of love” I call it.
"If I was the kind of guy who posted a signature line, this would be it from now on." -SiMA
by SgtinManusArmy on Feb 19, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with that… you’re priorities are in the right place.
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
I think I had that poster when I was a kid. I’ll have to call my mom to see if it’s still hanging up in my old bedroom.
I must say no to Drew.
And I’m VERY glad Chicago traded him. He was tainting the team with laziness and injuries. Bulls [not sure for how much longer] Coach and former Spur Vinny Del Negro called out Tyrus Thomas and Joquim Noah earlier this season, saying they needed to work harder in practice, and try harder in games, which in turn may lead to more success on the floor. Instead of taking the high road, the veteran road, the leadership road, and siding with VDN and agreeing that the two youngsters ought to listen to the coach, he sides with the youngsters.
Call me old fashioned, but that just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
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If everything else fails, let’s wait till the offseason and sign ’Sheed then.
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Exactly what I’ve been trying say all along
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by raynorschiene on Feb 19, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I’m inclined to agree, but on the other hand, I can feel our window closing. Let’s say Timmy has 4 top level playoff runs left, and Manu, maybe 3. Really, the window is both of those guys together (along with Tony), so that’s 3 years before serious rebuilding would have to start. If we concede this year, that leaves only two more. Say we sign Wallace, but then Tony sprains his ankle in May, so we only have one year left.
That’s why part of me feels like we should do everything we can to win RIGHT NOW (as they say in ARGENTINA), because tomorrow may not come. Does that mean we should trade a bunch of picks and take on VC’s albatross contract? Dunno, it’s a tough call. Like I said earlier, though, if it guaranteed one chip with a 50-50 shot at a second, I’d jump on that.
Anyone think anything will happen?
Hoopshype was saying we were in on Salmons, but ultimately lost out on that one of course.
Surely we could equal a Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox package for Chandler, if they trade him again.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Jefferson or Rasheed.
Bruce and Fab or Hill for Jefferson. Bruce, Fab & Hill or (Gosh, I hate to say it but) Mase for Rasheed.
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by Ed (dfjmed) on Feb 19, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
There are actually rumors of Gooden possibly being bought out?
This would save the Kings more money if another team signed him.
Larry Huges is finnally gone from Chicago!
Thank God! Bulls get Tim Thomas and two others for him. 3 for 1. Hughes is criminally overpaid at 12.8M a season for a guy who’s fallen out of the rotation, almost completely.
"When you fail to plan, you plan to fail." -Henry Ford
"It's not how you enter your sport, it's how you exit." - Dr. J
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I still think that Spurs should make an All-Argentinian second team...
Trade for Noc, Hermann, and bring Delfino back from overseas.
Bench squad could then be:
Manu, Delfino, Nocioni, Hermann, and Oberto.
No chemistry issues whatsoever.
Even though Noc isn't much on defense...
…I’m still primarily a fan. He’ll give Sacremento some more firepower, atleast.
"When you fail to plan, you plan to fail." -Henry Ford
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Correction:
Noc (and it has to be someone else) may be going to Boston inexahnge for Big Baby, Scalabrine, Tony Allen and a few others.
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ST is reporting a Spurs Press Conference later today… Gino being shut down?? I sure hope not. ::knock on wood::
"Tim Duncan is a human trophy, not a flighty canvas of mood and invention: not a winner, just someone who wins games." - The Macrophenomenal Pro Basketball Almanac
they changed it. They won’t have one now. Maybe just a press release.
"Like feel or follow or fuck" she said...
by Aaronstampler on Feb 19, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Mikki Moore released by Sacremento.
He’s a PF, and is a body. Just throwing it out there. I dunno. Thoughts?
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