Celtics Beat Sloppy Spurs 90-83
A disappointing loss, but I'm not disappointed.
Yes, I wish we won. Yes, I wish we played better. However, I saw enough good in the game for me to be encouraged. In fact, the more I process the game the better I feel. The long drive up I-35 can give a man some perspective. So can a Full Moon Pale Rye Ale. Or two.
OH, one other thing. I got Sagered tonight. And I'm not saying I was wearing something hideous. So enter my good Spurs fan, and let's break this baby down.
[WV at 2:40p: Updated with JanieAnnie's pictures and a couple of Odds and Ends]
Lesson: If we all work together we can get this done.
L-E-A-R-N
Pre game, Pop had this to say in response to my question.
When you play a team as good as Boston you're gonna learn a lot about yourself at both ends of the court. It's good to be able to do that early in the season. If we do real poorly tonight it would be a shame to find out April 17th that we suck. If we find that out now, then we work at it and try to get better.
I figured he had a point. Tonight's game was about learning. Who we are? What we can do? What we can't do? And, if we suck. Consequently I outlined some thoughts and came up with some questions I wanted answered. Here are my pre-game notes:
Offensively:
- Has Tony gotten better offensively to attack Rondo?
- Can Tim score against a bruising big?
- Will RJ come alive?
- Can Manu, the one mismatch in our favor, eat up Allen?
Defensively:
- How do we match up with a talented high-scoring SF in Pierce?
- Can Bogans chase Ray Allen?
- Can Tony hang with Rondo?
- What kind of inside game do the Celtics have?
Intensity and Hustle:
- Will we match the Celtics physically?
- Will we match their intensity?
- Will our newer, younger guys help us get the loose balls, rebounds, and random plays that help you win big games?
Other: I had these three additional questions because I wanted to know how they would respond in a big game that promised to have some extra intensity and be a little more physical.
- What do we get out of McDyess?
- What do we get out of Hill?
- What do we get out of Blair?
That's where I was sitting before the game. I wanted to figure out what we had. Before we get to the answers though, I'll give you my random observations by quarter.
Lesson: These huddles are a lot quieter without the old man.
First Quarter
My first note to myself from before the game started.
All I want from tonight is to be proud of our effort.
We didn't get out to a horrible start in the first two minutes. We scored on two of our first 4 possessions including a Rage dunk, then gave up a 3-ball to Pierce and we were down by one. Then things went to hell. We had turnovers on our next four possessions. Five of the next seven and six of the next nine. Yuck! We found ourselves down only 16-10 after that abysmal stretch. Then things got worse. We missed free throws, going 1 for 5 in the quarter, and the Celtics started making shots. Just like that we were down 10, 25-15.
The ugly stats of the quarter:
- 6 turnovers
- 32% field goal percentage, 0-4 from 3-point
- 20% (1-5) free throw percentage
- DeJuan Blair made a bucket. FOR THEM.
- Points in the Paint was 14 to 8 them. I wonder if DeJuan's own goal counts as points in the paint?
Lesson: The house party dance doesn't always look so cool.
Second Quarter
The Celtics bench features Rasheed Wallace, Marquise Daniels, Eddie House, and Brian Scalabrine. Yep, we made a run. We scored on 7 of our first 9 possessions -- one of the misses was a great open look for FinDog from 3 -- including 6 straight. All 7 buckets came right at the rim. When George ended the run with a layup and foul -- he missed of course -- we had cut the lead to 3 at 32-29. Accordingly to the play-by-play, here are the length of the Spurs shots in the run (in feet): 1, 3, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3, 1. In that streak we also missed a 3' and 2' shot. Blair had also missed an And 1 free throw so now we were at 1-7 as a team. I know this is Spurs basketball, but this was getting ridiculous even for us.
The Celtics then went on a 15-5 run, mostly against our starters, to extend the lead to 13. Thankfully, Manu hit a late 3 -- our only of the half -- and Tony drove for a layup to cut the lead to 8 going into the half. 47-39.
Stats of the quarter:
- One turnover: An ugly, lazy one by Manu where he just fumbled an easy pass out of bounds. Just strange.
- We were 0-6 from the perimeter.
- We scored on 8 of 13 possessions with all points coming in the paint.
- Points in Paint: 20 to 6 us.
- 2 for 9 from the free throw line
- 1 for 8 from 3-point
- 1, yes 1, first half offensive rebound for the Celtics
- Rebounds were 22-21 in our favor
Lesson: Yoga is good for the body. It also helps gives you inner peace which he will need for the fourth quarter.
Third Quarter
Alright, the third quarter. Down 8 to a super-contender and we need to come out sharp. What do we do? Here are our first 8 possessions:
- Missed long two point jumper: Rage
- Turnover
- Made long two points jumper: Tim
- Turnover
- Missed short shot: Tim
- Turnover
- Turnover
- Turnover
I put those guys in bold just so you didn't miss them. That is an atrocious stretch of basketball. The one play of interest was RJ's turnover that led to a Rondo dunk. It was a side out of bounds play and Rage was the man triggering the inbounds. Tony came off a screen from baseline to the top of the 3-point line AND STOPPED. Rage through the ball to a cutting Rondo who went in for the dunk and Pop dutifully called a time out. Rage was PISSED. RAGING, in fact. He did one of those yelling arm-swing, punching motions at Tony. You see, Tony can't stop. He was to run through and curl toward the passer. Instead, he hung Rage out to dry. Boo Tony.
Oh yeah, out of the time out we commited the fifth turnover. Three of those five turnovers were Tim's. He was just sloppy with the ball. Watch out for the short bus Tim. Another game like that and we'll throw you under it. I kid. I kid.
We did fight our way back into the game, though the lead grew to as high as 15. Thanks to an athletic drive by FinPerro we cut it to six with 2:00 to go in the quarter. We did our damage with Hill, Duncan, Manu, FinDog, and Blair. George made free throws, Manu made a three, and Tim scored 8 points. Then, the play of the game happened.
Closing out the quarter for the last shot, up by eight, the Celtics ran a high pick and roll with Rondo and Rasheed. Manu was on Rondo. Blair was on Rasheed. When Rondo went left before the screen got there, both Blair and Manu chased him to the bucket. Rondo flipped a pass out to Rasheed at the top for a wide-open dead-straight 3-ball. Nothing But Net. Spurs down 11.
Pop was furious. Steamed. As DeJuan walked off the court, Pop was yelling at him with a hand signal bumping his fists together. DeJuan said something and made his own hand signal of fists pulled apart. That's where things got interesting. Usually, at a time out or between quarters, the coaches huddle out on the court near the paint for 20 seconds or so. Not this time. Pop went straight to his chair and started talking very demonstratively. I know I was a long way away, but if he wasn't tearing Manu a new one then I'm a monkey's uncle. Here's my guess. Manu told Blair the wrong defense. I think Manu called an audible. I don't think Pop liked it.
Your third quarter stats:
- 8 turnovers in the quarter
- 2-10 from 3-pt for the game
- 15-5 rebounding edge
Lesson: If they are going to score on you, make sure they do it playing the defense Pop told you to play.
Fourth Quarter
Things didn't really start out well in the fourth for our guys. 30 seconds in Sir HotBod HandsomeFace got hit in his stitched up nose and left the game -- he said he is fine, by the way. Rasheed hit another 3 ball, The Green Matt Bonner hit a jumper, and Marquise Daniels scored. The lead was at 12 for the Celtics going to the 8:58 time out. That time out, by the way, came after a Mason turnover where he stepped on the sideline. He stepped on that sideline because Tony threw him a VERY high pass that when Roger caught it and came down, his foot was on the line. Roger's turnover, Tony's fault.
The The Beast happened. The game log looks like this. Blair 5' jump shot. Blair 2' layup. Blair 2' layup. Blair 1' tip shot. The last bucket was on the possession that was the game in a nut shell. Possibly the longest possession of the season for the Spurs.
Coming out of a time out and down six, Pop ran a great play that got Roger a wide open look from 3. Roger missed, of course. Tim tipped the ball out for a rebound. They got it back to Tim and he was fouled by Garnett. Tim missed both free throws, of course. Perkins fell grabbing the board and Rage jumped in for the tie up. Jump Ball: Perkins vs Rage. After about an hour of jockeying and Bavetta-ing, the Spurs managed to control the tip. Rage then missed another open 3 and Tim got the rebound, again. Tim missed the layup. Blair tipped it up and in. Down 4.
The Spurs got a stop when Ray Allen couldn't convert a tough layup. Roger pulled up and took an quick 3 that he missed, of course. Rondo came down and hit a jumper and that was the end. Lots of fouls and time outs, but that was pretty much it. If you throw out the late fouls, we held them to 87 points. Not a bad night of defense when you add in our offense's 20 turnovers.
Stats for the fourth:
- Rebounds were 18-6 us and 55 to 32 for the game.
- 0-6 from 3 in the quarter
- 0-2 from the free throw line
- 5 turnovers: the box score has 4 but that's because they gave Rondo a blocked shot on his strip of Tony late in the game. I'm calling it a turnover.
Lesson: If you can't shoot, you'd better make some plays elsewhere.
Manu
Manu didn't play in the fourth quarter until the last 30 seconds when the Spurs needed a big play. It was a great play, but ended in a turnover. Of course. I have three reasons why I think Manu sat.
- Pop is limiting his minutes. He played 18+ minutes again tonight. Same as Philly.
- The guys in the fourth played really well together. In fact, Tim didn't even come in until the 4 minute mark.
- Manu didn't play that well when he was in. In fact, somebody described his game as "schizo". I'm not saying her name, but she was at the game. He was 4-12 with 3 turnovers.
I wonder though if it didn't have something to do with that end of third quarter play. Pop was mad. Really mad. If I am Manu's coach, there is no better way to punish him than not let him play. So here's my hypothesis. Pop is all about execution. Be in the right spot when you are supposed to be in the right spot. Manu's entire game is based on freelancing. His uncanniness is what makes him great. These two things have a hard time co-existing. The great dilemma becomes how do you get somebody to freelance within the system? How do you allow Manu to be great, but still allow his teammates to trust that he will be where he needs to be? The guess here is that Manu isn't executing enough of Pop's stuff yet. Of course, I could be full of crap and Manu just doesn't have his game back yet.
Honestly though, I'd bet it is partially everything. If you had a guy who wasn't 100%, wasn't playing well, wasn't executing your game plan, and the guys on the court were doing really well, would you put him in?
Lesson: Making these makes the guy on the left happy.
Comfort Level
The Spurs talk constantly about learning the system. Trusting each other. Etc. Pop, pre game, said it is a challenge when 60% of your starters are new to the system and 53% of your team. I think playing a defensively focused team like Boston, who have all played together for 2+ years, shows where the team is lacking the trust in one another. For the parts of the game where our starters were against theirs -- the beginning of the first and third quarters, our offense was terrible. The passing was hesitant. The movement was poor. I think this is because your margin for error is so small. Boston crowds passing lanes. They challenge passes. They did down on drives. The help screeners. They get hands up to cover for back cuts. As an offense, unless you KNOW that a guy is going to be there, you hesitate on a pass. By that time, the defender has completely covered him up.
This is why I am not disappointed. I think it is just a bit of ugly that we have to put up with.
Lesson: This isn't very comfortable.
Rage
I'm not really down on him. He wasn't making his shot and was 3-13 from the field. But if you go back up to my questions, and look at Paul Pierce's stats, PP didn't do much. 8 points. 2-9 from the field. 2 rebounds. That's a really good job of defense in 35 minutes.
Lesson: Playing defense really counts for a lot around here.
Bogans and Antonio
I wasn't impressed last night with the Bogeyman's work on Ray and offensively he didn't bring much.
Antonio wasn't much of a factor for the second game in a row.
These two had the worst +/- of all the Spurs at -16 and -14. See comfort level section above.
Tony vs Rondo
Mostly a draw. Both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses. I don't think Tony had a particularly good game, his passing was very sloppy at times, but he wasn't owned either. Rondo is ridiculously quick. It was a good match up.
Lesson: We better keep working on that free throw shooting.
Lesson: RJ, you are watching the wrong guy for pointers.
The Beast
Just wow. 20 points (two for them), 11 rebounds, 2 blocks. And he did it against one of the biggest and best front lines in the league. He scored on all three of their bigs -- Wallace, Garnett, and Perkins -- at different times. He blew by Rasheed in the post. He went right up at Garnett and Perkins. Pop said before the game he'd be thrilled if DeJuan ended up being a small Moses Malone. Tonight he was. He also electrified the team and the crowd. His energy was what turned this game.
Mad props to Matt Bonner though as well. He didn't have a good game shooting the ball, but he was a great hustle guy tonight as well.
The Officiating
As an official member of the media, I can't really cheer for the team. I've been pretty good about it. I don't jump up and yell when we score or make a good play. I just give it a little fist pump like, "oh yeah", and go back to my note taking. Last night, however, I caught myself booing the officials. Haha. Good times.
They weren't very good. Either way. Mostly I thought they called things fouls that weren't. To see that there were only 36 free throws in the game -- 4 were end of game intentional fouls -- tells me that these two teams know how to play effective defense. It was an intense and physical game without being ruined by too many calls.
The ATS Gets Sagered
I'm the first question.
If you read the initial quote from Pop at the beginning of this post and the 'Comfort Level' section, you know I'm thinking the Spurs are still learning the system and developing comfort. So, I think I'm throwing him a big softball-sized cream puff question when I ask, "Those turnovers to start the first and the third are with your 60% new guys is that partially attributed to that do you think, that guys aren't comfortable with each other?" Coach Pop, "Possibly. Who knows?"
I swear, I was dressed nicely and conservatively last night. No bright colors. No clown outfits. No Cubits-Ninja-Bot.
Odds And Ends
The Celtics have some strange pre-game choreographed dance they did after the introductions. It involved the entire paint area and guys were dancing around from corner to corner in a way I can't describe. Scalabrine was involved which made it really awkward looking.
George was very subdued after the game. I think he hates losing.
At the start of the second half, Ray Allen came down to take his position and stopped and shook hands with Coach Pop and the other assistant coaches.
At the start of the half time shootaround, Antonio McDyess and Rasheed Wallace talked for a little while and shared a few laughs.
Also at the half, Pop was razzing DeJuan about something. Then those two, RJ and Tim were yukking it up.
Rasheed looked hefty to me.
DK Wilson from Sports On My Mind who wrote this recap for FoxSports.com told me that he talked to Antonio and RJ before the game. Both of them said this is the hardest system to learn that they have seen. They both said that the Spurs are so precise and detailed that it just takes a long time to know what you need to do and that neither are comfortable yet. I think that says a lot when you are talking about guys that have been around a while. DK is a pretty cool guy who is also from Austin. He ended up sitting next to me and we chatted a bunch during the game. He has some good viewpoints and is definitely worth checking out.
You guys will probably remember this play, but you probably didn't see Pop's reaction. In the second quarter, George was bringing the ball up court and jumped to make a pass to RJ. Right then the Celtics defender stepped out and George was caught up in the air. He just tossed it up and was lucky that RJ came down with it. Before RJ even caught the ball, Pop had turned around and slammed the scorer's table. It's probably not a coincidence that George was super-aggressive and made layups on that possession and the next. I think it was these kinds of concentration lapses, along with Manu missing the pass that went between his legs and out of bounds, that irritated him.
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Thanks to an athletic drive by FinPerro we cut it to six with 2:00 to go in the quarter.
There’s something very wrong about that sentence.
The Spurs - now playing defense again!
The nickname FinPerro is starting to grow on me. The first time Hipuks said it it sounded horrible…. now is has a nice ring to it.
ATS maybe you should get Pop’s attention in some unconventional manner. Do you think an enema bulb a la Patch Adams would work?
"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG
I think Sheed is out of shape, he looked a few lbs heavier than I’m used to seeing him…on TV at least.
A few?? I’m glad the Spurs didn’t get him.
by doggydogworld on Dec 4, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Good input. Thanks Wayne. Haha on the question to Pop, but really you set yourself up for it with that long a sentence :P
I am still miffed at Tony’s play. For all the minutes the starters played, it was just bad sloppy offense. You say Bogan’s and Dyess got the worst +/-. From what I remember, they were put in awkward positions with the ball and not in their productive zones or situations. Thats all on the poing guard. Heck Tony…arrgh. Grow up. Maybe I am not being fair. I know Frenchie is no Jason Kidd, but still, look to make your teammates a little better especially against a good defense where you need all the help you can get.
Great recap. It’s nice to get perspective as a fan, as well as when you’re covering the team. Gives a very nice dichotomy to your post and recap.
Still having a tough time rationalizing Mason being in at the end of the game. I assume that something was up with Manu or he would have been playing. But what about Hill? Was his nose bothering him so he couldn’t come back in the game? Or was Pop playing more cat and mouse, saw he was effective earlier in the game, and just decided to keep him out for the rest of the game?
I think the insight on Manu not playing makes sense, and if you listen to Pop’s press conf after the game, he makes mention of missed defensive assignments and that really killing the team’s ability to come back. He says something about understanding when it was with new guys, but has a little edge about him that makes you believe he is talking about a veteran also. Which definitely lends credence to your thoughts of the benching. And from watching the entire game, you could tell Manu wasn’t Manu. The turnover when he let the ball just go between his legs and out of bounds was so uncharacteristic.
One last thought, I’ve been reading the site for awhile (since 48MOH joined the TrueHoop Network and 48MOH linked to this site) but this is the first time I’ve commented. I know it sounds cliche, but I just wanted to say how much I appreciate all the writing and quality information provided on this site. Like most people on here, I’m not living in Texas (I’m in Ohio), so I really count on these sites for my Spurs info. This site and 48MOH are daily checks for me. All of the articles on here are insightful and well written and it’s been a pleasure to read them. Hopefully my comments won’t be ripped too much…lol, but I look forward to the continued posts through the season and hopefully following the Spurs all the way to the ’Ship.
Welcome to the conversation GMac –
Agree with the confusion as to why Mason was shooting at the end of the game when he had not shot all game. Real confused as to why the hell the BEAST did not get the ball in any of those 3 missed possessions when he obviously had the hot hand.
Fundamentally, sound but I think a lot is missed when the Spurs/Pop are not paying attention to the energy of the game. Meaning, BLAIR was taking over the game, literally. Why was he not given the ball every time down the stretch? Pop should have pulled Mason for the 3rd missed shot – that was the end of the game, as ATS mentioned. BLAIR was all over them and Pop changed the tempo by taking Bonner out and then allowing Mason to take those shots. Maybe if he had made the first one great, then take the second one, even taking the second one after a first miss can be excused but this live by the 3 die by the 3 is the same kind of crap we saw last year and with the same results.
RJ has to be brought in early to be effective, as was mentioned earlier, he played well when Tony was not around b/c Tony does not think about RJ on the floor. RJ is a scorer, though he did well against PP last night, he was brought in to score points. He has to be given the ball – TP dribbles down, looks for a screen, passes to Tim – or – TP dribbles down, looks for the screen and drives to the basket/jump shot. Those seem to be the two main plays on the court when he is handling the ball – a scorer like RJ needs touches and with the status quo, it ain’t going to happen. Without RJ bringing in a significant amount of points per game, I do not think the Spurs will have had the season that everyone thought they could in the beginning.
Yes ATS, it is still early and I hope we see some chemistry/game plan changes sooner rather than later.
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Good recap. I didn’t expect the Spurs would get so many open 3s, especially since the Celtics don’t double Tim. I don’t credit the Celts D for the misses 3s, just the law of averages after going 10-18 last game.
Roger Mason looks vastly more comfortable handling the ball — slowing down to read the defense then making a good pass.
I agree RJ defended Pierce well but his offense keeps getting worse. The early fast break travel was atrocious. His long 2 at 0:57 and down 6 has to be a 3. He just looks more and more out of synch.
Pop has long since come to terms with Manu’s freelancing, but if Manu was involving a promsing rookie like Blair in the dark arts that could be enough to push Pop over the edge.
Good recap, thanks ATS. I agree with your overall assessment of the team. I think that with more time playing together this team will get most of the kinks out. The officials are terrible, there’s no to ways about it…and they were bad for both teams. Lets hope the kinks get worked out sooner rather than later.
Good question to Pop, by the way.
you nailed the recap ATS. and even tho its not the end of the world, i have to admit that this loss has been bugging me a lot ever since it went down last night – and honestly, i was getting pretty wrankled for most of the game as it was unfolded. i am disappointed for sure even though, if you think about it, our spurs have lost this kind of game over and over through the years and it hasnt mattered in the end. it was the the early season homer against a tough team and we dont completely have our sh-t together.
we’ve seen it before and we know what it means. not necessarily too much. pop very accurately praised the effort. but that’s what’s sticking in my craw….the effort. i have been an 82 game a year watching fan of these guys for a long time and always always always when the spurs want to win a game like this, they do. and they clearly played hard enough to demonstrate their desire last evening. total bummer. the spurs only hit the stone 99 times instead of 100.
i know it doesnt mean we suck and it doesnt mean our chances at a ring are over, but it still sucks nonetheless. i’ll spend the rest of today trying to get over it and hoping that a loss like this is the genesis of a solid run that proves the spurs meddle.
ok, there. i have put the knife down and have backed away from the table.
one other thing: i have to jump in on sheed. he is definitely looking a little “bulky” and green certainly is not his color. bella called him out for being yellow and looking like he should get checked out…….totally agree. he did not look right at all. from now on, he is rasheed jaundice to me.
ATS: Good immediate transition with your question after Pop’s introductory remarks. If we were to chip in and get you a good Sager outfit, you would surely get a better reaction from Pop…
Let me just say that Mrs ATS has spit the better part of our 15 years together moving me AWAY from the Sager outfit. As some of my old friends can attest, I come from the Sager school of fashion.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Spent. Not spit. Although some spit was probably involved.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
And I still owe you an email. Someday it will be sent.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 4, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Nice recap, Wayne. My problem with this game isn’t so much that we lost, it’s the continuation of our sloppy play, especially the Spurs veterans. Turnovers are going to happen, but too many of them are of a lazy nature. And the free throws! Oy! ::shakes head::
I too hope that this is an impetus to improve our overall play. Nice to hear that Pop got visibly upset several times during the game. We need that kick in the pants.
P.S. Are the fonts looking strange to anyone else? Everything on PtR seems bold to me.
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I used a lot of bold, but things don’t look different to me.
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by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 4, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Nice recap.
I think I’m most worried about RJ, who I will now call Ninny. Out of all the newcomers the Spurs have had over the years, Ninny by far looks the most awkward. Hedo, Finley, Barry all had struggles their first year, but Ninny looks so out of place at times i want cringe. And I’m starting to think it has something to do with basketball IQ. I’m not convinced his is high and that worries me.
We won championships because we had guys (outside of the big 3) with extremely high basketball IQs. Ninny is playing major minutes and is supposed to be one of the main contributors but his lack of savvy and smarts is raising a red flag for me. I really want him to succeed, but I think his lack of bball IQ is what’s making this beginning so tough.
A lot of Ninny’s mistakes seem to be because of hesitancy in making basketball plays (Ie that traveling call while leading a fast brea) ; he plays like he’s so unsure of himself. He’s like the 40-Year Old Virgin at a nightclub.
He looks out of place because he is not the first option of scoring – which he is used to. This guy is a scorer – that is why he was brought in. If you watch closely when Tony and Tim are on the floor with RJ, you will see that he is the 3rd option (maybe). He is not used to playing this way, and if he is to be utilized correctly, he should not be a 3rd or 4th option. If we are going to witness what RJ can bring to the table in terms of offense, then he has to be our main/2nd scorer. Otherwise the Spurs spent a whole lot of money for the wrong reasons. (Also RJ makes more money than Tony, I wonder if this has anything to do with their on court relationship)
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I definitely get your points. He’s not the 1st nor 2nd option on the team, but I think a smart player will find a way to adjust and make himself useful. A lot of the mistakes he’s made aren’t because he’s not the main scoring option. It’s because he’s not that smart of basketball player.
He doesn’t seem to be playing naturally; his confusion is very evident. One play last night when he was leading a fast break and didn’t know whether to pass or shoot which lead to him traveling has nothing to do with being a main scoring option.
Manu's future
I’m not worried yet. Eventually they’re going to get it together. It was just a horrible game. But speaking of Manu and Pop I’ve been sensing that there’s a lot of tension between them right now. I can understand Pop’s frustration of having to deal with all of Manu’s injuries and comebacks (having to get to playing his best again) for the last year and a half or longer and I’ve sensed it in the newspaper articles. Of course Manu was angry last night but I’ve noticed something different about him too. He seems very frustrated, disinterested, and bored frankly. He just seems totally different when he’s out there on the court. I don’t know what’s going on but even last night during the whole game he really didn’t talk to any of his teammates or other assistant coaches on the bench. When they all huddled up he just went and sat by himself and was not a part of the group. I’ve just noticed lately he’s been distancing himself more from the group. I have a bad feeling that he won’t be a Spur for very much longer and now that they really have George Hill playing the 2 guard with TP that makes Manu a little more likely to be gone.
Manu, disinterested? Bored? I’ll give you frustrated, but the rest is crazy talk.
Comparing Hill and Manu, as much as I like Hill, is also crazy talk.
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I DO see him interacting with the other players. I’m about 20 feet from the bench and have a good view of it. When he was sitting out due to the injury he would get the stat print outs and study them, talking with the coaches. When he is in the game with the bench guys, he is always teaching on the court. He is definitely not bored or disinterested. Frustrated? Yes, I agree – think about how you would feel if, beginning in the 2008 playoffs with that ankle injury, you’d had to come back five times from injuries. He’s competitive and is his own worst critic. I’ve watched him for several years on the bench – whenever he’s not satisfied with his play, he does sit and brood alone on the bench, turning inward to think it out. But when he gets the call to go in the game, he gives it his best: last night Pop turned to him to go in at the very end to run a play, driving the baseline to the basket, drawing coverage, then popping the ball out to Finley to shoot the three (and Finley messed that up by stepping on the sideline). Yes, Pop is frustrated, too, with the injuries but I don’t think it is causing tension between them. I don’t believe he sat Manu in the fourth quarter because he was “teaching him a lesson” – Manu knows if he messes up. His conditioning needs sustained work in practice and a tired muscle risks injury. I also think he is nursing a cold or sinus problems (the Kleenex box is never far from him sice the Houston game); he was breathing heavily through his mouth when they left the court at the end of the first half. If he was responsible for the defensive screw up at the end of the 3rd quarter, he certainly was not the only Spur who made a mistake. And the rest of the time he played pretty well, with flashes of brilliance. He’ll get back again – Pop will manage his minutes, though, for a while longer, because that’s how Pop deals with injuries: conservatively.
Thanks for breaking it down , and making us privy to the nitty gritty. ( No I am not an MC, thank you very much ! )
Specially the part where Manu gave Blair the wrong defense. No one would have ever known something like that…..
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...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.
Top shelf recap, thanks.
About the calls: I get frustrated with the refs when it comes to two players: Hill and Bonner. It wasn’t so much Bonner last night but Hill—he’s not going to get any calls, I know, but they also seem to assume that his defense, especially at the top of the key is always a foul.
It’s funny, watching the Longhorns play last night, who really have a defensive squad this year, it seems they have more liberty while D’ing up.
Bonner, on the other hand, is just a vacuum of any striped mojo. It’s like literally picking on the red-headed step-child.
I’m not worried about this Spurs team. If they stay healthy, they will progress and have a shot at the title.
Neither he nor Gob were prepared for the challenges of using cats to catch a seal.
In fact, somebody described his game as “schizo”. I’m not saying her name, but she was at the game.
Someone from PtR? :) Anyway, great recap, Wayne. Thanks for making me feel a little bit better.
by silverandblack_davis on Dec 4, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions
Good to great recap Wayne. Say, would you ever consider asking Pop about a situation like the one at the end of the first half where you suspected Manu audibled the defense? How would you even go about asking it with out seeming like a wise guy.
A day removed from the loss I’m less pissed but I still hope the team isn’t “encouraged” as the fans are by the loss.
Just call me The Profit
I think Mike Monroe tried to ask it in the interview and that’s where Pop’s says that it wasn’t intentional. It’s tricky though. You have to choose your words very carefully. If you ask, “is that the play you wanted?” He’d come back with “Yeah, I was looking for a way to get Rasheed open for that shot.” Or something like that. If you ask, “What happened on the play?” You’d get “we missed an assignment.” If I asked, “Did Manu change up the defense out there or call an audible?” He’d probably say something like “I don’t know. I’m not sure what I called. I’m not sure what he might have said. But that wasn’t the outcome we were after.” Pop isn’t going to throw his guys under the bus.
I’ll do a post soon about what it is like to do those question sessions. I think you guys will find it pretty interesting.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 4, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll do a post soon about what it is like to do those question sessions. I think you guys will find it pretty interesting.
Make sure it doesn’t say “International” in the heading of the article.
"Under the tutelage....of Randy Tutelage"
That’s how I hide stuff from you guys. Because I KNOW nobody reads those.
We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 5, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions

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