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PtR Quick Cap: Spurs win Old School against the Knicks, 95-88

This could have been a classic trap game for the Spurs: a SEGABABA on the road, a late flight arrival in NY, and a relatively early start time for the game. Fortunately, the Spurs played classic Spurs' basketball and the Big Three reminded us of why they are the Big Three.

Quarter-by-quarter synopsis, observations, and Stars of the Game after the jump.

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HIGHLIGHTS

Warning:  This is perhaps a little longer than the usual Quick Cap, since I actually got to watch the game on TV, and not on a small, ever buffering computer window.

First of all, credit to the Knicks.  They played good defense and were aggressive in going to the hoop on the offensive end.  Gallinari was smart enough to take advantage of a little home cooking, and Lee turned in his usual double-double, being extremely efficient with his scoring.  The Knicks have been playing well at home lately and that continued tonight.

First Quarter

The game started out slow, a low-scoring, defensive affair in the 1st quarter.  The Spurs, understandably, didn't seem to have their legs early, allowing the Knicks to shoot 60%, but ended up by a point on the strength of two George Hill scores. Gallinari drew 4 fouls against the Spurs, but fortunately, he was only 1-5 from the line.  Much to  chagrin of the PtR faithful, this would continue in the 3rd quarter.

Second Quarter

The back and forth nature of the game continued throughout the 2nd quarter, with the Spurs jumping out to a 6 point lead several times.  The bench played very well, with McDyess, Mason and Hill going a combined 6-9 from the field.  All three have seemed to find their shooting stroke again.  However, the Spurs could never pull away, and at about the 3:00 mark, Pop inserted the dreaded small ball lineup.  The Knicks got within 1 point, but Tony had a couple of his patented drives to the basket in the last minute of the quarter, allowing us to enter halftime with a 3-point lead.  It should have been a 5-point lead, but quite possibly the worst turnover of the season (by McDyess) allowed Lee to dribble in a basket at the buzzer.

Third Quarter

The 3rd quarter started well.  Duncan and Jefferson started off the scoring, including a nice 3 ball by RJ.  Tony contributed several long 2-pointers, stretching the lead to 10 points at one time.  Then, the Italian happened.  It started with a bad foul by RJ on a 3-pointer from Gallinari.  Unlike the 1st quarter, Gallinari hit all 3 FTs, reducing the lead to 3 points.  Gallinari continued to draw fouls, shooting 7-7 from the line.  Only a Manu 3-pointer prevented the Spurs from entering the 4th quarter down by two.

The Knicks had an unbelievable 9-0 FT advantage in the 3rd.  The Spurs didn't help the questionable reffing by taking mostly long jumpers, with only one shot attempt (a miss by Blair) in the paint.  Fortunately, those shots were falling for the Spurs, or it could have been a very ugly quarter.  The Spurs did do a good job with rebounding the ball and limiting the Knicks to one and done.

Fourth Quarter

The 4th quarter is where the Spurs imposed their will.  The Knicks, despite some bad turnovers, pulled within one point again.  But then, with about 5 minutes left in the game, the Big Three went to work.  This was old school, grind the opposition into submission, basketball by our beloved Spurs.  The defense stepped it up a notch, Timmeh snatched several key rebounds, and Tony and Manu did their thang on the offensive end.  Manu, once again, proved he can hit key shots, and Tony drove to the basket with abandon.  Other teams' fans might call it ugly, but to me, it was a thing of beauty.

Observations

This game was a continuation of the good team play we saw against Milwaukee.  We shot well, played good defense for most of the game, and limited the sloppy play.  Our assist-made basket ratio was excellent tonight, representing the much better spacing occurring on the offensive end.  We had 13 turnovers, but not many of the mind-numbing variety.  And inserting DeBeast into the starting lineup has really increased our offensive boards and limited the opposition's.  Optimism is worming itself back into my cranky heart.  I can see the return of my beloved brand of Spurs' basketball on the horizon.

Stars of the Game

  1. Tony Parker - What a difference a couple of games makes.  I've been wondering if Tony was either hurt or maybe tired due to summer play, since he seemed to lack his explosiveness and ability to finish.  Not any more.  Tony kept us ahead in this game at many points, either by driving for his usual layup or hitting that long jumper for 2.  Not only was he an efficient 10-17 from the floor, but his forays into the paint were of the exploring the defense and finding the hole variety, not the dribbling around aimlessly type.  Welcome back, Tony!
  2. Manu Ginobili - Manu's shooting percentage may not look great, but boy did he hit some big shots!  He played with his old reckless abandon, combining drives to the basket with timely 3-pointers and uncanny passes.  He's not quite back, as he was still coming up short with his shots sometimes.  But I've seen enough to think that the Manu of old will be with us soon.
  3. The Bench - The bench continued its stellar play of late, with McDyess, Mason and Hill shooting 12-19 from the floor, a combined +25, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, and only 1 turnover.  Mason did a good job handling the point duties, when required, and Hill, once again, played some magnificent defense.  Dice added 5 boards to his beautiful jumper, and no longer seems lost on the offensive end.
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Spurs bench in last 2 games: 64.5% fg (40/62)

by grego21 on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

So i was actually at this game with some amazing seats….and I got manu’s autograph and stood about two feet away as he shot around two hours before tip-off (he was shooting terribly too). Tough crowd, fun crowd, could have been a tricky game but credit the bench early and then the big threeeeeeeee. Go Spurs. Lots of spurs fans in nyc btw.

by GodsLoveSpursGlory on Dec 27, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

Ive noticed there was a bunch of Spurs fans in NYC. I had the opportunity to watch a game at the garden back in 06 and that’s a great arena.

by xman130 on Dec 27, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Spurs fan in NYC right here. Nice to see us step up on the SEGABABA. Pleased.

by JustinBK on Dec 27, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

back from hiatus......

spurs fan in NY since the admiral.. the number of spurs fans in NY increased through the years mostly due to the emergence of tony and manu.

i was at last nights game. section 214. had a blast. garden was packed! i was going back and forth with some knicks fans around me. all in good fun though. (thank god i didn’t have to walk out of there with my foot in my mouth, lol) knicks kept it close, closer than what i would’ve liked. refs hating on timmy’s clean blocks. nice to see tony and manu on the break. nice team effort especially since this was the second of a back to back road game.

belated happy holidays all… and happy 2010!

by FreshmakerDTM on Dec 28, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Great recap, Cap! I just watched a replay of the second half, and I think optimism is working its way into my cranky heart as well.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Dec 27, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

Curious stat: DeJuan led us in minutes played at just over 35.

We specialize in misinformation around here. Facts and stats just get in the way.

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 27, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

Blair wasn’t in foul trouble this game. Made a huge difference in the lineups, as Pop limited the small ball. I forgot to include this in the recap, but Pop only played nine guys. Until FinPerro and Matty get back, I can see Pop shortening the bench often in tight games.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 28, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope pop is learning why we lost so many games when Bonner was playing.

I think Pat Riley said it first, no rebounds no rings. Bonner is terrible at defending and rebounding. Since he has been hurt we are 4-1, That 1 loss came because we turned it over more and got out rebounded due to some coach’s dumb decision to play small ball against a depleted team. NEW FLASH: You pound a depleted team into submission with Bigs not small ball. Anyways, the longer Bonner is out, the better we will do because if Pop could, he would play him and we would LOSE.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you Fred Silva’s twin brother?

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 28, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you drank the Fred cool aid.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I mentioned this last night: can we put the myth of Pop not liking rookies behind us now?

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it’s time.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 31, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to see the win. And we’re back in 2nd Place!

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 27, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Optimism is worming itself back into my cranky heart. I can see the return of my beloved brand of Spurs’ basketball on the horizon.

When we see this kind of result against a playoff caliber teams (especially western conference teams) then I’ll start to foster some form of optimism.

Until then…

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions  

The Answer was Bonner.

We are not sucking quite so bad at defense lately now that Bonner is hurt. The only time I want to see Bonner is when he is on the bench cheerleading, because when he is playing we are losing.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Pop should stop coaching and just pick the Talent.

I have been extremely tough on Pop all year because he deserves it. I am simply holding him to the same standard he holds his players to. He suxs right now, and we, the Fans should stop giving him a pass because he has won 4 ships. Right now his game time management is terrible. TD is carrying us and Pop is not playing the guys that would and should help him out. As for coaching he should give Sean Elliot a call to be an assist coach because Sean is calling these games better from the sideline than Pop is doing from the bench. That Portland game was coached so badly that Nate let his assistant out coach Pop. Come on man, his assistant with a bunch of 2nd stringers beat our 1st team in our gym. The only thing worse than that would be losing to the New Jersey Nets.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He suxs right now, and we, the Fans should stop giving him a pass because he has won 4 ships.

You deserved to be slapped.

The players got outplayed on the court. Pop didn’t miss the critical rebounds. Pop didn’t get out-hustled on the floor. Pop didn’t overdrive into the paint and make lousy passes. Pop didn’t turn his back on the players with the god damn ball. Pop isn’t having streaky play and missing freethrows. The only player who has been giving the Spurs consistent play on the court is Duncan. Who the hell is Pop going to play “to help him out?” The guy throwing the ball over everyone’s damn head or the guy clanging every shot?

I, for one, am not happy with the current product only because I demand perfection from this team. But I have faith that Pop will get everyone on the same page for the 13th straight season. We have six new players on the team and four of them have started this year. It isn’t like switching out a part in a car. It isn’t just going to run like it did before. There is a ton of work on Pop’s end and on the player’s end. And although it is slow at the moment, they are getting better.

Will they be the juggernaut everyone predicted? Who knows? Doesn’t look like it but the damn season isn’t even half way over.

Pop has worked with less and accomplished more.

Another note: I pray that your comment is pure sarcasm and I went off for no reason…

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Vs Portland check the stats. The stats don’t lie. We got out rebounded and the stat that shows this was Pops doing is Ratliff DNP – Coach’s Decision.

But to make the point. Manu 33 mins only 4 rebs. Jefferson 32 mins only 1 reb.
If you take half of Manu mins and give them to Theo we would have won that game.

How about going big instead of going even smaller. How about when they are doubling Timmy before he even gets the ball, swing to the other side and take a WIDE open jumper. This was there like 10 times in the 2nd half and we only saw it twice.

These are all things that must be pointed out by the coach, not the players. It is the coach that should know he has a weak rebounding team on the floor and fix it. The truth is we need Bowen back. And we could have brought him back if we didn’t carry dead weight on the team like Hairston and Haislip. Bogans is no Bowen, and never will be. So blaming players like Bogans for not doing what Bowen used to do is not an excuse for a coach that doesn’t know his personnel. Playing harder in the wrong scheme will only make you a tired LOSER!

I have coached youth sports for many years basketball and football and normally when a talented team is losing games they shouldn’t be, it is more times than not the coach’s fault.

I don’t think it’s that much different on the pro level, which is why we see so many coaches getting fired after they are beaten by teams they should have defeated.

All I know is if we lose to the Timberwolves, I am not blaming the players.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

- Theo gets eaten alive against small ball and, except for the occasional game, is a dead zone on offense.

- Bowen is not capable of what used to do for us game in and game out. Bogans is actually playing well and deserves to get the minutes he has.

Watch more, observe more, make less stupid comments.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Let us not fight, please.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He has some good points. Around here if you want to call somebody stupid, you do it in a clever eloquent way. Just outright is too cliche and serves no purpose than degrade the whole conversation.

He has too many flaws in his argument where he is actually supporting your claim about the players’ part in all of this. Use that.

by LionZion on Dec 29, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Theo gets eaten alive against small ball

Oh how do you know Theo gets eaten alive by small ball? He didn’t play in that game.

And if you think Bogans is playing well what is he doing? Because he sure isn’t locking anyone down. His job is defense. So I am measuring his performance on that. What exactly are you measuring his performance on.

You are not taking to some fool who doesn’t know the game. Dude I coach B-Ball so I know what works and what doesn’t. Quit being so subjective about the Spurs flaws then you would see what I, and many others have said about the Spurs. They are under achieving and I think it’s Pops fault.

We are getting killed around the basket and he needs to do something to fix it.

by GhosTown on Dec 29, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

…because I’ve seen him play before, genius. He has trouble against small/quick players. If were talking a more traditional front court match-up then I want to see him in the rotation more.

So I am measuring his performance on that. What exactly are you measuring his performance on.

…defense. Quite a few of, local media, and out-of-state media see it. Hell, here is a bit from Timmy himself…

"He’s been great for us the entire season," Duncan said. "Just his energy and tenacity on the defensive end has led us. We need that from him, and he continues to impress me with what he’s doing out there."

…or do you know more than Duncan too?

Dude I coach B-Ball so… blah blah blah

Picture muffled laughter. Oh, you’re priceless…

Pop will continue to do what he has done in the past and that is organize and utilize his resources. This isn’t your precious youth league where a bunch of kids go out and play, “Coach.”

There isn’t anyone else out there that is better fit to coach this team. Sorry.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 29, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Way too harsh. Pop doesn’t suck, and even if you want to criticize him (which we all do from time to time) he’s still the best coach in this league, or close enough to that. Every coach makes mistakes and has annoying quirks.

And Sean Elliot? Really? I love the guy, funny homer that he is, but he strikes more as court jester, not king.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Sean is a jester, no doubt, but that doesn’t make him wrong when he sees things that need to be corrected.
I do know that Pop is going to make mistakes but they shouldn’t be because he is too stubborn to go zone because you are getting killed off dribble penetration. Or playing small ball when the other team’s bigs are in serious foul trouble. Or running the same play that is getting you turned over like 7 out of 10 times. No when you are making those kinds of mistakes over and over you should not be considered a good coach because that’s not good coaching.

Sometimes you need people to see things that you don’t see and bring it up. I not sure Pop has those kinds of people around him anymore. I think Sean could do that for him.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno, unless you have some exclusive insight into Sean Elliot’s ideas, I honestly don’t see where you’re coming from. Sean never seemed especially perceptive in the broadcasts I listen to.

I’ve seen Pop calling fewer plays than ever before, and Monroe has written about it, and it was explained as him trying to let the new players get a feel for each other, give them more freedom to explore what each can do. I liked that explanation.

Coaches are said to be “good” or “bad” on a purely empiric basis. They win a lot? Then they are good coaches. I like to believe that the understanding of basketball strategy of just about any NBA coach is light years beyond ours, so judging their depth is difficult. But during out championship runs, if you frequented basketball blogs back then, these same criticisms have been made in the regular season – and it turned out okay for us. Pop, more than just about every coach in the NBA, tinkers in the RS with his mind set on the playoffs, so that doesn’t help the fans, either.

I hate tiny ball just as much as the guy next door, but we don’t lose because of that.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate tiny ball just as much as the guy next door, but we don’t lose because of that.

Thank you.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it actually seems like a strength for us in most games. 4 of our 5 leading scorers are small guys.

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 28, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Were losing because of silly mistakes and lazy individual play. Players respond well to Pop and we’ve seen this early season nonsense before in the past. Just not with this much “new blood” on the team.

Asking for a new coach, or pop giving up power, is about the WORST DAMN THING YOU COULD DO.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s also the least likely thing that could possibly happen, so GhosTown’s comments make sense in the context of this blog, not because they reflect a possible reality.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes you need people to see things that you don’t see and bring it up.

You mean like the players making silly mistakes? Yeah, Pop sees that. He only talks about it every damn press conference. He managed to get the defense somewhat up to speed last year with no depth, numerous injuries, and new faces… if he was able to get 54 wins out of last year’s squad then there is no reason not to believe he can’t get this year’s team rolling.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That example showed up so well in the Portland game, huh?

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

You don’t think the competition has anything to do with it? We lost to Denver, Boston, Utah and Phoenix (only one bad loss, too). We won against teams with records below .500. I’m not saying these aren’t good wins, but to think that Bonner’s absence in the only factor is ridiculous.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh trust me. Its Bonner. Every game he plays we get destroyed on the glass. And I hate saying it like that, because its not really his fault. He is what he is.

He is a shooter not a rebounder and the Spurs need a rebounder/defender in the paint and not another shooter.

So as long as he plays big mins he weakens the defense and the rebounding, and with Bonner, its a double whammi because you can’t play good defense without good defensive rebounders to secure the ball.

by GhosTown on Dec 28, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure getting rid of Bonner will get rid of:

-Tony’s poor passing and over dribbling,
-Jefferson’s frustration with where he needs to be on the floor.
-Mason’s streaky shooting.
-Blair’s rookie mistakes
-Theo’s defense against smalls

etc, etc.

but to think that Bonner’s absence in the only factor is ridiculous.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure getting rid of Bonner will get rid of:

Dude you are killing me. You sound like some of those kid’s parents who get upset because their kid’s playing time is being reduced. They never want to admit their kid is the problem.

Why don’t you try to be objective about the matter. And try to see what hand Pop has in this, because believe it or not. I think there are to a lot of coaches out there that could easily coach TD, TP, RJ, Manu and the rest of the Spurs to the same record or better at this point in the season.

Seriously, the current group of Spurs are DeeeeeeP. They have a lot of tools or weapons how ever you like to put it.

But the difference between a good coach, a mediocre coach, and a bad coach is how long it takes to get them winning consistently.

And so far I am calling Pops performance mediocre.

by GhosTown on Dec 29, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude you are killing me. You sound like some of those kid’s parents who get upset because their kid’s playing time is being reduced. They never want to admit their kid is the problem.

Hell, if I had a kid I wouldn’t want him around you. You’re likely to blame everything on him/her when all the other kids screw up as well.

Besides, I only want Bonner on the floor for situations requiring more offensive talent. I’ve never praised his rebounding or defense.

I think there are to a lot of coaches out there that could easily coach TD, TP, RJ, Manu and the rest of the Spurs to the same record or better at this point in the season.

and I think your earlier example of Sean Elliott being on the coaching staff speaks levels of your intelligence when it comes to “coaching.” Most good announcers sounds like intelligent coaches time to time… their damn job is state the obvious after the fact.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 29, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, time to take a break, guys. Feel free to continue your discussion, but quit baiting each other and stop the name calling. Realize that both of you have some good points and go from there.

GhosTown, just FYI, we tend to consistently bag on Bonner for his inadequacies – just look for posts by Fred Silva. However, to lay all of the Spurs’ troubles this year solely at his feet is shortsighted. For the record, Pop’s crazy lineups and small ball also drive me crazy. If his lineups continue like this by the time the RRT starts, then I’ll worry. But for now, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 29, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Every game he plays we get destroyed on the glass.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you’ll have to back up that one with stats. A quick glance at Basketball Reference and some time with the calculator led me to these numbers:

Game – R Delta – Played? – R by Bonner – Mins played

G #01 – W 9 – Bonner played – 3 R – 29 min
G #02 – L 8 – Bonner played – 5 R – 20 min
G #03 – L 1 – Bonner played – 2 R – 22 min
G #04 – L 5 – Bonner played – 2 R – 17 min
G #05 – L 11 – Bonner played – 4 R – 13 min
G #06 – W 12 – Bonner played – 4 R – 34 min
G #07 – T – Bonner played – 9 R – 28 min
G #08 – L 2 – Bonner played – 4 R – 16 min
G #09 – W 1 – Bonner played – 10 R – 25 min
G #10 – W 6 – Bonner played – 4 R – 11 min
G #11 – W 15 – Bonner played – 8 R – 21 min
G #12 – W 17 – Bonner played – 6 R – 25 min
G #13 – W 7 – Bonner played – 1 R – 12 min
G #14 – T – Bonner played – 3 R – 17 min
G #15 – W 6 – Bonner played – 5 R – 21 min
G #16 – W 23 – Bonner played – 9 R – 22 min
G #17 – L 7 – Bonner played – 7 R – 23 min
G #18 – W 1 – Bonner played – 8 R – 32 min
G #19 – W 3 – Bonner played – 4 R – 21 min
G #20 – W 15 – Bonner played – 2 R – 15 min
G #21 – L 1 – Bonner played – 2 R – 18 min
G #22 – L 5 – Bonner played – 2 R – 24 min
G #23 – W 20 – Bonner played – 1 R – 12 min
G #24 – W 13 – Bonner played – 2 R – 5 min
G #25 – L 4 – Bonner DNP
G #26 – L 3 – Bonner DNP
G #27 – W 12 – Bonner DNP
G #28 – W 10 – Bonner DNP

Average rebounding delta in games Bonner played = 4.5
Average rebound delta in the last 4 Bonner-less games = 3.75

I actually think Bonner’s showing some great hustle on the boards and on defense. He will never be a good defender, but he tries, and he’s better than ever before (at least to my eyes). Another plus is that he knows the system. We’re a great rebounding team, and we’ve won just about every rebounding battle after those first 5 games in which we were in complete disarray. Argue that Bonner’s defense is our problem, if you want, but not his rebounding prowess. The connection between those two isn’t as immediate as you make it to be. Nowadays Blair’s getting more minutes, and that’s also helping our resurgence.

By the way:

Rebounds per 36 minutes

DeJuan = 13
Timmy = 11.5
Dice = 9.8
Bonner = 8
Theo Ratliff = 7.8

Seems respectable enough for me. You want Ratliff to take his minutes? Dice, early in the season? The reality is that we’re playing more tiny ball right now because of Bonner’s injury, and I doubt that will help our rebounding in the long run.

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you’ll have to back up that one with stats.

Nice stat work. But this proves what I am saying.

Rebounds per 36 minutes

DeJuan = 13
Timmy = 11.5
Dice = 9.8
Bonner = 8
Theo Ratliff = 7.8

Both Bonner and Theo are at the bottom of the list and are virtually the same with Theo only playing a fraction of the time Bonner plays.

My point is we are a better defense team when Bonner is off the floor. So if you take into consideration that Bonner:
1. Doesn’t alter shots
2. Doesn’t force difficult shots
3. Doesn’t deter dribble penetration (This improves OPP FG%)

Then we can conclude that Bonner is weakening the team defense which means opponents FG% goes up because they are making shots which means there are less rebounds to get. This explains why Bonner can play so many mins and have the same number of rebounds as Theo.
Simply giving Bonner’s mins to a better defender improves the defense which is how you want to win games, with defense leading to offense.

I love having this discussion because I know the next time you see Bonner you will start paying attention to what I am seeing most of the time I watch a Spurs game with him on the floor.

We start losing.

It is not a coincidence, other coaches are not dumb, they are seeing the same thing. They are instructing their guards and Bigs to attack the basket and they should because there is nothing that Bonner can do about it.

I don’t dislike him or blame him for it. Because like my Grandmother would say, “Bless his Lil heart, he’s trying.”

I blame Pop.
Because if Pop is going to play him, he needs to find a way to hide Bonner on defense like a good coach would. A zone perhaps????

by GhosTown on Dec 29, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but you’re not considering where Bonner is stationed while he plays – he’s a shooter, so he’s usually waiting for the pass behing the 3-point arc. That means it’s not as easy for him to grab an offensive board as it is for Theo, who camps at the paint. And that’s not his fault, because that’s the strategy Pop drew.

Also, whether Theo plays fewer minutes doesn’t matter, because that stat is the average per 36 minutes. Considering Theo’s stats have a lot of “garbage minutes” in them, where the opponents are battling for rebounds all that hard and Pop puts in the scrubs (tiny ball scrubs), that means Bonner’s a far better rebounder than Theo this season, so far.

Theo blocks. That’s true. But if you also pay attention to him, you’ll notice that he gambles for blocks all the time, and sometimes leaves his man open to do it. We’ve been burned many times that I’ve seen because of that.

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by LatinD on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn’t take much to get Theo off his feet either.

I’d like to see Theo in more against the bigger front courts but not against teams that like to run the ball.

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by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 29, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

If your avatar wasn’t already awesomeness itself, I’d suggest that you use this as yours.

Oh well.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 31, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

McDyess said in local pregame that he was more comfortable coming off the bench. It really seems to be making a huge difference.

by BlaseE on Dec 28, 2009 2:03 AM CST reply actions  

I think its because he gets more opportunities for shots for my limited observations. In the starting lineup with Duncan/Parker/RJ the ball doesn’t swing around enough except for in the last seconds of the shot clock. I think that’s why he’s shooting better along with the idea that he has the green light in the 2nd lineup where as he has to move it if he gets it too early in the shot clock, generally.

by grego21 on Dec 28, 2009 4:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Blair doesn’t need touches to get his points; McDyess does. So far, I’m really liking this lineup change.

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by CapHill on Dec 28, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that sounds about right. Also, it limits the tiny ball time, so I’m all for it.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

blair

i guess if DeBeast is in hte starting five just means more rebs for us,even though his undersized,i dnt know how he does it,but i guess it’ll help more.just insert dice for blair when his not doing any good at all. i watched the bucks game and i was pretty stunned on what he is doing on the floor.and now i guess pop knows what to do with blair.and if he continues his stellar nights he’ll be back on the top 10 rooks,which if its not based on stat id put him 1st then brandon and evans but stat wise he should be the pf for the all rookie 1st team.i love this feeling of us being back. i hope when manu is back maybe by the 2nd of jan. he’ll be explosive!
go spurs go!

by tp_09 on Dec 28, 2009 2:31 AM CST reply actions  

Less rebounds for Timmy…. :)

by grego21 on Dec 28, 2009 4:11 AM CST up reply actions  

If Blair could only get a jumpshot

but I’m sure he’ll learn that from Timmy. Sweet dunk by Blair and he does a great interview.

If we can beat the Heat on the 31st I’ll be happy again, until then though, let’s not lose to the T-Wolves.

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by KA1Z3R on Dec 28, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

He has a jumpshot. He just isn’t allowed to use it. But I remember him making some 15’ers during the Summer League.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see some more of it

that and his constant fouling are the only problems I have with him, but then again I love bigs with a jumpshot.

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by KA1Z3R on Dec 28, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Blair is getting better with the reach-in fouls, but he’s not going to get any calls this year as a rookie.

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by CapHill on Dec 28, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He needs to Thabeet a few refs. That oughta even out the calls a bit.

"We suck on 'D. Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way. I don't know if I have an answer to that. If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad." - Popovich

by Aaron "Hirschof" Preine on Dec 28, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

how is Thabeet doing

I haven’t been keeping up with him, how’s he doing in the league?

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by KA1Z3R on Dec 28, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

After a quick stat search on ESPN, he’s got a block rate close to Theo’s, and seems to be an above average rebound(again, in rebound rate per 48mins), but he only plays 10 minutes a game.

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by Tim C. on Dec 28, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmm.......

I still can’t believe he went top-10. But I’m not a fan of bigs without jumpshot or consistent D.

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by KA1Z3R on Dec 28, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been meaning to tell you. Using bold “titles” for your comments? EVIL.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

it’s what the title bar is there for D

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V- "I'm quite sure they'll say so."
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by KA1Z3R on Dec 28, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it’s there to torment me. :)

Seriously, it’s stylistic, but it looks horrible in long threads.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you completely against it being used at all? I think that there are times when, as a title, it sets off a comment or a subject in a funny or amusing or clarifying way.

But here, it sounds like your anti-title for purely aesthetic reasons.

True?

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 31, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I just mean repeatedly through a series of comments, in a long thread.

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by LatinD on Jan 2, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

LD, that’s freaky that we were both leaving comments over at the Knicks’ blog at the same time. Get out of my brain.

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Just got back home, now I’m webbing. The cortisone is going through my body, so I’m ready to rock’n’roll.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

By the way, “Posting and Toasting” is quite a good name for a blog. I hadn’t noticed before.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

My ortho only let me get three cortisone shots (elbow) before he recommended surgery—hope this round works for you. . . .

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by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I was talking with my doctor today, and he said that the problem with surgery in this case is that they remove the disks, and that can cause arthrosis in 10 years. Pan para hoy y hambre para mañana, like they say over here. (Uh… “bread for today and hunger for tomorrow”. Can’t think of an English version right now.)

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Sort of like “robbing Peter to pay Paul,” but there has to be something more analogous. Man, this is going to bug me!

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by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Yours are lumbar, not cervical, right?

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by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I have an excellent massage therapist. Let me know if you want an appointment with her while you’re in Austin. (Assuming you’ll be in Austin.)

I have flying monkeys at my disposal, and I'm not afraid to use them.

by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m trying to buy a good insurance for my trip. If it hurts, I’m getting a cortisone and moving on. Treatment would be awfully expensive, I imagine, with the exchange rate…

But thanks. :)

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, I feel bad for poor Vinny.

(Looking at the SBNation headlines over there —>)

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by Lauri on Dec 28, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

DeJuan was a biiiiit nervous in that interview.

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by LatinD on Dec 28, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

I’m just glad that he was able to conduct the entire length of it without LOLing.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 31, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

just when i was starting to get a little antsy, two great wins back to back. maybe pop gave the the soft talk over the holiday. it this keeps up, i might call it a very GOML christmas – starring gregg popovich.

i had also been wondering about tony and his lack of being himself. when he gets to the rack like that, we win. period.

by bones on Dec 28, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

A very GOML Christmas

Love this.

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5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 31, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

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