Those Pesky Turnovers

by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Dec 23, 2009 2:34 PM CST in Analysis

Just a quick hitter about something we've all been watching.

I don't have the time right now to delve, but I believe the Spurs turnover problems are caused by two things. Each thing can both be associated with one particular All-Star guard that we have. Yes, I'm talking about Tony and Manu. I think each is a team wide thing, it's just that they are more prone to it.

Here they are:

It's Called a Bounce Pass, Tony

Seriously, just use the bounce pass. It's God's gift to point guards. In watching the Warriors game, Tony screwed Keith Bogans out of two fast break layups because he didn't use the bounce pass. The bounce pass is THE easiest pass to both throw and catch when on the run. Just do it.

Make The Simple Pass, Manu

I think our guys have been pressing to make plays, and Manu is the king of that. Instead of just making the simple pass to the open man, Manu tries to make the great pass for the score. The team has to trust in their ball movement and the ability for the extra pass to produce the score. Charley Rosen always talks about the pass that led to the pass that got the assist as being important. Personally, I think it is an indicator of trust and comfort. Again, Manu isn't the only one. Several guys are trying to make passes into traffic instead of making the simple pass to the open man.

Those are the things I'll be keeping an eye on tonight.

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You going to the game, boss?

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 23, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions

at the very least, his eye will be.

When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.

by the little o on Dec 23, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

unless he has hands like BlaseE, then his hand will be going.

When the tooth fairy's own tooth falls out, it is taken during the night by Princess Peanut.

by the little o on Dec 23, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

perfect

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 24, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions

Why do you want to deprive me of Manu’s fancy passing, ATS??? Just make Tony better.

by BlaseE on Dec 23, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions

I’m with the bossman on this one. Manu’s errant passes and defensive lapses this year have been just as egregious as Tony’s.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

I blame Manu’s receiver’s….most times.

by BlaseE on Dec 23, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

psssst…. bella might be around… shush

"If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert"
- DBG

by LasEspuelas on Dec 23, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

But she’d have to travel through several states to kneecap me, in the snow, and since she lives in Texas, I’m assuming she’d have trouble making it up here. Plus, I’d greet her at the door with some sort of alcohol and all would be forgiven.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions

Awww, you know me so well.

::fanning away the tears::

I heart you too, Cap… here have a Viggo.

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney

by bellasa on Dec 23, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

May the FSM bless you.

::drooling once again::

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions

Plus, she only hates men. Wait, let me be more precise: She only hates men not named Emanuel David Ginobili.

:-P

The Spurs - now playing like sh*t again!

by Tim C. on Dec 23, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions

The hockey assist. I always thought Manu did a good job with those passes too.

But so far this season, he is mainly throwing it inside to Blair who, to his credit, is able to latch onto those bullets somehow. Manu has made some sweet ones to Timmy too. Since the boxscore doesn’t keep track of those assists, maybe he is still doing it. I just didn’t notice with all the growing pains in the other areas.

About Tony, what is there to be said which hasn’t been bitched about ad nauseum. I complain every game about how Tony passes to Timmy so late becoz he can’t throw a bounce pass through traffic on simple screen and rolls. Timmy gets the ball late with a guy already set in front of him and the advantage is gone. Sucks!

by LionZion on Dec 23, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions

Charley Rosen with the nice pass to ATS! But you’re right, Wayne. The guys should be more patient and just keep moving the rock.

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by silverandblack_davis on Dec 23, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions

Another thing about Tony’s turnovers are those drives where he keeps getting stripped of the ball and losing it off his leg or foot. Instead of forcing the issue, he needs to bring back his floater. I think I’ve seen him shoot that floater 2 or 3 times this season.

by xman130 on Dec 23, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions

I blame international play.

by BlaseE on Dec 23, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

It’s not his fault that he’s French. LEAVE HIM ALONE!

(Kidding of course. Sorta.)

by Daniel_B on Dec 23, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions

Here Wayne, this will make viewing the game so much easier…

Superman wears Manu Ginobili pajamas to bed. - CMoney

by bellasa on Dec 23, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

How can I be the first to rec this? It’s unconscionable!

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 25, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions

Kobe Bryant / Lebron James fellatio-fest going on at BSPN….

You can argue that Tim Duncan is playing better than Kobe Bryant right now, and playing as well as Lebron James…

...Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is forty five.

by alamobro on Dec 23, 2009 4:49 PM CST reply actions

Bring back the JV to teach these guys .

by spursfan87 on Dec 23, 2009 5:28 PM CST reply actions

Hm. Let’s see, let’s see.

Manu’s career TOs per game: 2,1
Manu’s TOs per game this season: 2,1

He is playing 3 fewer minutes per game, though.

Tony’s career TOs per game: 2,5
Tony’s TOs per game this season: 3,3

And he’s playing 2,2 fewer minutes per game.

2008-09 team TOs per game: 11,7
2009-10 team TOs per game: 14,3

Confucius says: “Let Manu do as Manu does, tell Tony to stop bouncing the ball off his leg, and punch the newbies in the head until they stop passing to their opponents.”

Bone breaking? -340
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by LatinD on Dec 23, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions

I smell a catfight.

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by Tim C. on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions

So, as a furriner, you use a comma instead of a period for the decimal point. Do you call it a “decimal point”?

And good work with the stats and facts.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions

No, we don’t. Just “comma”. I forgot to switch to the US system.

Bone breaking? -340
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by LatinD on Dec 23, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions

Doesn’t matter to me. Just curious.

Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. - Jane Austen

by CapHill on Dec 23, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

We also cross-out our 7s, traditionally.

Bone breaking? -340
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by LatinD on Dec 23, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions

I love the crossed out 7, ditto the crossed Z — the comma instead of decimal? Not so much.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 25, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions

Why?

Bone breaking? -340
Dunkin' Cheerleaders

by LatinD on Dec 26, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions

Because it just doesn’t look like numbers to me. I glance at the digits with commas sprinkled in (what seems like) randomly, and my brain shrugs in a noncommittal manner before finally admitting that there may be an explanation. It’s just weird looking.

Even better, it looks like ratios or a list of numbers when there are commas in there. Yeah, that’s it.

Consider the gun jumped
5 in 10

by J.R. Wilco on Dec 26, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions